@Anna ********

what is it you don't understand or fail to grasp? Actually this stuff already happened. I am not talking about the future. The future is already here

@Anna ********

you are wrong - because it is happening already! I side with Andreas 100%. I Austria and Germany it already introduced - you have to be a "real" pensioner for the Non-O visa. And in Thailand some Immigrations when you apply for the 1-year EOS based on retirement have started to ask for the source of the money, and have demanded that you need a Thai bank account even when you use the income affidavit method

@Ekkehard ******

it is in the stage of development, I know at least one guy over 50 whose application to the 90-days Non-Imm-O Retirement Visa was rejected by the Munich consulate because he wasn't a pensioner, yet

@Roberto ********

some Immigrations this year have started to ask for the SOURCE of the income plus the existence of a Thai bank account, even if you are doing the financial proof by income or pension. The rules are slowly shifting. I hope you will be right in the future, but the reports we receive every day are pointing into the other direction. In Europe, the consulates of Frankfurt and Munich and the embassy Vienna only accept an application to a 90-days Non-Imm-O Retirement/over 50 Visa, if you are a "real" pensioner. They do not accept any other income than that from a pension. If you are NOT a pensioner yet, they direct you to apply for the 365-days Non-Imm-O/A Longstay Visa, instead

@Ling ****

not yet, but in the future you might be asked by Immigration to name the source. So if by then the source is not 100% a pension, they might direct to you start with a 365-days Non-Imm-O/A visa instead. This method is already practised by Thai embassies in some countries.

@Anna ********

you said he could, but isn't. That is not fully clear. If he adds some other income than pension to the total to make good for the minimum of 65,000 THB per month, and Immigration wants the source to be 100% a pension, he couldn't switch to the income proof, like everybody whose embassy doesn't issue an income affidavit anymore, is doing. He would need to stick to the deposit proof

@John *********

some Immigrations have started to ask for the SOURCE of the income. I think in the future you will need to be a "real" pensioner when you start out of a Non-Imm-O Visa. In Germany and Austria it is already requested. If you are not receiving a pension but other income, or even if you can deposit 800,000 THB, if you are not a "real" pensioner, yet, the Thai embassy will direct you to apply for the Non-O/A LONGSTAY visa instead

@Stephan **********

some Immigrations this year have started to ask for the SOURCE of the income plus the existence of a Thai bank account, even if you are doing the financial proof by income or pension. The rules are slowly shifting. I hope you will be right in the future, but the reports we receive every day are pointing into the other direction. In Europe, the consulates of Frankfurt and Munich and the embassy Vienna only accept an application to a 90-days Non-Imm-O Retirement/over 50 Visa, if you are a "real" pensioner. They do not accept any other income than that from a pension. If you are NOT a pensioner yet, they direct you to apply for the 365-days Non-Imm-O/A Longstay Visa, instead

@Anna ********

today, this one was posted! The guy was asked for a bank account despite income affidavit. They also wanted to know the source of the money

@Peer ********

don't worry, the TM30 registration can be made personally on the Immigration on the next available working day after Immigration was closed. Take your wife with you, her Thai ID card, her blue housebook and your passport