As others have said it's the owner that is legally responsible and they would get a fine if not done in time, agree agent is asking way to much in Pattaya it's free or 100baht per person, as others have said you can go to immigration and register yourself and if you explain why you are having to do it they may speak to the owner if they are Thai

Thank you for the prompt response

@Stuart ********

sorry the YT video is how the process was a month ago

Ok so if I was to go to Vietnam so I could apply for the Thailand DTV would this now be done online too? I ask because the YT video I watch about the process the applicant didn't seem to go to any fancy Thai embassy

Ok so based on what was being said about being able to do more border runs now I decided to go to the Cambodia boarder and see what the visa agents there say as this would be my third time this year, and so if they say can I would do and if say cannot I would book to go out by air for a couple of days, the border agent said yes can do, the price is now 3k baht up from 2k but still fair price (includes the 1400 Cambodia visa fee), so I went through and back with them and after my Thai side stamp back in an IO officer asked me if I had contacted anyone at the border that day which I had not, he then checked my stamp and said ah ok you get 60 day now and can do again in 60 day, I said ok so can do many many now and he said yes, so as that was direct from an IO I would say that for a while atleast the two times has been removed, but I do think it may come back and as others have said it is always at the discretion of the IO if you get in and so I agree that border bounces should not be relied upon, however while talking about this with a friend it did occur to me that if someone is now in Thailand for more than 180 days they maybe asked to fill out a tax form, so in a way a higher limit to bounces would maybe encourage younger (remote working) people to stay longer and become tax liable and so it could bring in more funds for Thailand so that maybe a consideration, but I for one am now trying to get stuff together for the DTV.

@Neil *****

ok so yes the buying of land may not of been passed yet but it is still on the table and so may happen, apologies for giving wrong information

@Neil *****

two things to note though, one is the thai government is considering to up the foreign percent allowed to 70 and also a recent change to land is that a foreigner can now buy land if they have first invested 40 million Baht in to Thailand and they can then buy 1 rai for a personnel home, also to be aware of is that they are cracking down on foreigners that start a business here only to buy condos and land in a company name

In the recent DTV Visa video by Chris from RW4U the Foreign Affairs guy said the soft powers were going to government promoted ones, and if by that he means the TAT then potentially they could mean the music festivals that happen each year that moves between Pattaya and Jontiem each weekend as that goes on for a month and also at that time there are many weekends events so if you say you will be going to all and spending money they may consider it, but yes I do agree that a couple of weeks long cooking course shouldn't really give you 180 days a year for 5 years, but they do specifically mention cooking classes and TiT so maybe it's possible, end of the day if you want to be here for 180 days or more a year you will need to have money, as there is no system in Thailand for any foreigner to claim help with bills or food, so if you can show money to spend and spend it do they really care why your here....

@Marc ********

yep that's how I understand it, which is what I did say, I think many people forget that this is Thailand and they do move the goal posts a lot when something is new and also because to start they put out very unclear info people do read things how they want to which results in lots of misinformation and they don't like to be told what they said is wrong, end of the day anyone visiting Thailand is only ever a guest in the country and subject to any rule changes and people need to remember that....

@Erik ******

info source please as your right I do want/need to understand this visa