Answered2 years ago
What should I do if I encounter difficult immigration officers in Thailand with a DTV visa?
I needed to wait until today to post this. But I went through immigration in Bangkok yesterday with my new DTV Visa I got in Ho Chi Ming. My husband went through with no issue in another line. When I went to a different immigration officer. He looked at me with a nasty look as a passed my passport. Then when I handed him my printed DTV Visa he pushed it back at me and said "I didn't ask for that". I just smiled and said Okay. Then he asked for it again. This time he said "Why did you get your Visa in Vietnam and not the USA". I said because I was told I could get it in Vietnam. He then said Yes, but it's not right. Who told you to go to Vietnam. I said the person who I'm attending the Course with.
He then said "Course are you running a Race". I said "Correction, Seminar". Then he raised his voice a little and said "What are you doing in my Country" you have been in and out for 2 years. I said yes, I have and I've never overstayed and I leave for 2-4 months at a time. I love Thailand and I have decided to get a Visa so that I can stay longer. He said louder this time. I Love Thailand too Why are you in my country. At this point I am pissed but I remain calm and I say. At this point nothing I say will satisfy you, and I don't like the way you are yelling at me please let me speak to a supervisor.
He looked at me with an evil look and said follow me. We went to another line with a female and he said things to her and then walked passed me and said Stay here, I looked and him smiled and said Thank you.
I get to the lady she ask me some questions after looking at my paperwork and passport. And asked me how long I plan to be here I said I'm leaving in July for 1 month then I will be back. I'm signed up for a seminar and the month I'm gone I will be able to do it online so that I don't fall behind.
She then stamped my passport for 6 month and said have a good day.
I have never experienced that the whole time I have been in Thailand. Now that I have a valid Visa I get treated like trash. It really put a nasty taste in my mouth. And after the wonderful time I had in Vietnam I may consider that as a place to live.
Has anyone else been treated bad coming into Bangkok with the DTV?
He then said "Course are you running a Race". I said "Correction, Seminar". Then he raised his voice a little and said "What are you doing in my Country" you have been in and out for 2 years. I said yes, I have and I've never overstayed and I leave for 2-4 months at a time. I love Thailand and I have decided to get a Visa so that I can stay longer. He said louder this time. I Love Thailand too Why are you in my country. At this point I am pissed but I remain calm and I say. At this point nothing I say will satisfy you, and I don't like the way you are yelling at me please let me speak to a supervisor.
He looked at me with an evil look and said follow me. We went to another line with a female and he said things to her and then walked passed me and said Stay here, I looked and him smiled and said Thank you.
I get to the lady she ask me some questions after looking at my paperwork and passport. And asked me how long I plan to be here I said I'm leaving in July for 1 month then I will be back. I'm signed up for a seminar and the month I'm gone I will be able to do it online so that I don't fall behind.
She then stamped my passport for 6 month and said have a good day.
I have never experienced that the whole time I have been in Thailand. Now that I have a valid Visa I get treated like trash. It really put a nasty taste in my mouth. And after the wonderful time I had in Vietnam I may consider that as a place to live.
Has anyone else been treated bad coming into Bangkok with the DTV?
Answer summary
A recent experience at Bangkok immigration highlighted the challenges faced by expats entering Thailand with a DTV visa. The original poster encountered an aggressive immigration officer who questioned their reason for obtaining the visa in Vietnam instead of the USA and exhibited an unprofessional demeanor. After escalating the situation to a supervisor, they were granted entry without further issues. Many commenters shared similar experiences, citing the increasing scrutiny and negative treatment by some immigration officers, especially towards those using the DTV visa. The discussion underscores the importance of maintaining composure and understanding the complexities of immigration procedures in Thailand as they continue to evolve.
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Panphailin *********
Sorry for your bad experience in Thailand.
Indre *********
If they ever ask again “what are you doing in my country” just say “ building your economy”
Johnny ********
What I infer from your experience ( and his reactions) is that Vietnam is easier for approval than the US.
Paul *******
@Johnny *******
It's probably the opposite actually. Approvals from western countries seem to be much easier.
Anonymous *************
OP@Johnny *******
No, I just didn't want to fly 26 hours back to the US to do it.
Sean *******
@Johnny *******
Not really. But some people used dodgy agents to get DTVs in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. So some IOs are very sceptical about them.Anonymous *************
OP@Sean ******
I did my Visa on my own and didn't use an agent. I have plenty of money and I plan on doing the seminar. Soft Power is an option that the Thai gave and that what I used. Not abusing and trying to get a legit Visa. I'm retired for 12 years but I'm only 48 so retirement visa is not an option for me..Sean *******
Anonymous participant I know most people got theirs legitimately like you did. But unfortunately Immigration has no way of knowing this. And can tar you with the same brush.
Paul ********
Now you know how immigrants feel in the US.
Anonymous *************
OP@Paul *******
I understand, why you think I'm not in the US. It's a shame.
Alan ******
As from October this year iam staying thailand 6 months , then 🇬🇧 for 6 months and that will be on DTV visa . Applying from my home country.
Biron *******
For a country that relies so much on tourism they sure treat tourists like scum.😂
Lee *******
First of all, I'm sorry that you had this experience. Immigration seems to be the one thing that I consistently dislike about Thailand. I found that I was treated very poorly when I lived in Pattaya at immigration between the years of 2021-2023.
As others have mentioned, you did everything right here. Unfortunately, every country has people on power trips, especially when they are in authoritative positions.
I truly love this country, especially the people but I do agree that immigration is not fun to deal with. I'm not really sure what to do and am wondering if there's much (or anything) tourists or expats can do to improve the process. Would love to hear ideas from others.
As others have mentioned, you did everything right here. Unfortunately, every country has people on power trips, especially when they are in authoritative positions.
I truly love this country, especially the people but I do agree that immigration is not fun to deal with. I'm not really sure what to do and am wondering if there's much (or anything) tourists or expats can do to improve the process. Would love to hear ideas from others.
Anonymous *************
OP@Lee ******
it definitely wasn't a good experience.
Jon ******
Put it behind you. It's part of life's rich pageant and hey you have your visa now for the next 5 years. Enjoy it and just put it down to him having a bad day. We all have them...
Anonymous *************
OP@Jon *****
thank you. And yes we do.
George *******
Probably brought his domestic dispute to work with him and taking it out on visitors.
Henrik *****
He is right, you have been milking the system, instead of getting a proper long term visa, when you wanted to stay long term.
Remember it is ALWAYS up to the discretion of the Immigration officer in front of you, if you get allowed entry.
Remember it is ALWAYS up to the discretion of the Immigration officer in front of you, if you get allowed entry.
Sam ******
@Henrik ****
previously there was no long term visa available. Now there is.Henrik *****
There have been several long term visa’s avaiable close to always.
Look at non-immigrant, Smart & LTR visa.
And DTV is not a long term visa, it is a tourist visa.
Look at non-immigrant, Smart & LTR visa.
And DTV is not a long term visa, it is a tourist visa.
Luit *****************
@Sam *****
there are already long term visa available quite a long time.If you considered those too expensive, that is not an excuse.
แฮปปี้ *******
Oh I'm sorry about what happened. Some people's service is too bad. They probably want to lose their job. They just want to look scary. Maybe you can give them some change. So don't scare people like that
Elías ****************
I don't think the DTV or whatever visa itself you would have had is the problem. It's your travel history what flagged you in that IO eyes.
Rico ***********
I think some people don’t realize that the DTV visa is not a "Permit of Stay" but more or less a tourist visa. You have practically no rights, but you do have obligations—for example, paying taxes if you stay longer than 180 days.
Sam ******
@Rico **********
no visa is a "permit of stay". There's nothing special about the DTV, it's just like any other visa.Rico ***********
@Sam *****
Thats true that's why I am saying it's not a permit of stay... A visa allows entry into Thailand for a specific purpose, such as tourism, work, or retirement. For example, a tourist can enter Thailand with a 60-day tourist visa or 180-day DTV. On the other hand, the Permit of Stay determines how long someone can remain in the country beyond the initial visa duration. A business traveler with a Non-Immigrant B visa, for instance, can apply for a one-year Permit after entering Thailand to work legally, that's not possible with DTV. The Permit of Stay gives you also more rights like buying cars and many other things....
Marb ********
Just had the same thing a few minutes ago. Showed them the DTV and then was interrogated with a million questions about what I’m doing here and why, where I’m staying and who with etc. not a great first impression with this visa with how they treat you
Sean *******
@Marb *******
Where did you apply from?Marb ********
@Sean ******
Vietnam. Weird for them to have an issue with it when it’s not stated in the conditions it must be from your countryAnonymous *************
OP@Marb *******
exactly
Maksym ***********
You will wonder how funny can be border crossing into USA. With 12 hours interview and aggressive checks, even you has US visa 🙃
Rico ***********
@Maksym **********
So true—and then you get deported… just because you admit, "Okay, I smoke a spliff sometimes," after they interrogate you for four hours with the same questions over and over.
Tom *****
@Rico **********
checking your phone, scouring your social media, I saw a video of a Polish youtuber getting fingered to check that she wasn't carrying drugs in her vagina at immigration at the land border from Mexico.
Luke ********
@Tom ****
can you share the link to the video, please?
Lorraine ******
First, the immigration officer doesn’t know (you, your situation, your heart, plans, dreams, past, or your intentions)
Second, you don’t know (his day, plans, past, situation, family, stress, experiences, etc)
Welcome back to wonderful Thailand 🇹🇭
Second, you don’t know (his day, plans, past, situation, family, stress, experiences, etc)
Welcome back to wonderful Thailand 🇹🇭
Bouros *******
This is just one side of a coin of Thailand you love and it does not even deserve time for a post.
You got to get use to it or leave it.
You got to get use to it or leave it.
Dennis ************
Yes all the time... they (yet) never interrogated me in a room do. First you apply for a thai visa, they approve, and then when you enter country they ask why are you here ?
Anonymous *************
OP@Dennis ***********
exactly.
Werner ************
I think this will be more common as they are seeing rampant abuse of this visa class, the visa can be rejected by any immigration office on arrival
Anonymous ******************
Be happy you made it in. He could have denied you entry or gotten your visa cancelled.
Anonymous *************
OPAnonymous participant 681 how could he cancel my visa? Yes he could have denied me entry. But not cancel my visa because it was valid.
I have the money and I'm signed up for a legitimate seminar. I didn't break any rules for my visa.
I have the money and I'm signed up for a legitimate seminar. I didn't break any rules for my visa.
Thomas ********
It's honestly annoying af how unkind so many of the officers are.
I don't understand the volatility and unkind temperament. Even if you have a problem with someone's visa/passport/etc, why can't you just be professional?
I don't understand the volatility and unkind temperament. Even if you have a problem with someone's visa/passport/etc, why can't you just be professional?
Anonymous *************
OP@Thomas *******
that's all I was asking for. I respect his role the whole time. But sometimes you just have to draw the line and ask to speak to someone else politely.
Jon **********
Anonymous stories are the best :-)
Anonymous *************
OP@Jon *********
you do know that they monitor what people say. And there are sometimes consequences about talking negatively about things in Thailand right. After what I went through you think I want to add to the fire.
Pat **********
It’s super normal. I got treated like trash too when I was at a US border despite being a permanent resident 😅 The immigration officer was just doing his job. It wasn’t personal. Your visa means they will let you in but it doesn’t mean they are obligated to be nice to you.
Anonymous ******************
@Pat *********
All correct except that a visa doesn't grant an entry which could be denied.
Kevin ********
There are always going to be people that will have bad experiences.
Now understand you are a guest in his country, he is speaking a second language that to be fair probably leaves a lot to interpretation due to his lack of vocabulary. The DTV is a glorified tourist visa anyway. And lastly if you have been here for 2 years basically living then he is right, you have abused the system. As have many other people.
Now understand you are a guest in his country, he is speaking a second language that to be fair probably leaves a lot to interpretation due to his lack of vocabulary. The DTV is a glorified tourist visa anyway. And lastly if you have been here for 2 years basically living then he is right, you have abused the system. As have many other people.
Anonymous *************
OP@Kevin *******
What is the abuse if there is nothing saying I can not come in and out of Thailand. I give back to Thailand. I donate and volunteer at several orphans in Thailand. I have never had an overstay. I have never done a border run. When I leave Thailand I'm gone from 2 weeks to 4 months at a time. Traveling the world. Thailand was like a home base to my travels. So please tell me where the abuse is.
Kevin ********
Anonymous participant the abuse is in the use of tourist visas to stay long term for the period of time you stayed. It’s just how some immigration officers see what is technically illegal. I mean if someone came to your country and abused the system wouldn’t you feel a little off about it?
Also, consider that you just posted you volunteer in Thailand, if you actually have any understanding of how visas work, here that is considered “work” and is actually not allowed. Unlikely anything would happen. But I wouldn’t be posting about voluntary work at all.
Also, consider that you just posted you volunteer in Thailand, if you actually have any understanding of how visas work, here that is considered “work” and is actually not allowed. Unlikely anything would happen. But I wouldn’t be posting about voluntary work at all.
Cliff *********
Sorry you had an unfriendly agent and even more sorry you had a bad impression of Thailand.
Usually the agents are polite and friendly.
I come to Thailand often for a few weeks at a time.
Now I have DTV and was through immigration 3 times in a month.
No hassles at all.
Usually the agents are polite and friendly.
I come to Thailand often for a few weeks at a time.
Now I have DTV and was through immigration 3 times in a month.
No hassles at all.
Brian ********
I had attitude when I was entering the US like this.
I was travelling with my English gf, but the officer didn’t believe I was with her.
Lot of grief for a 2 week holiday in Key West.
Sometimes, people have bad days. No point getting upset, just doing his job, everything I answered was accurate and true and when they seperated us, the same answers were told by us both.
I could look at it as rude or difficult, but if they can stop one person from being trafficked or catch people, then I can live with a few questions. Their tone doesn’t really matter. Sometimes I suspect it’s done to trigger an escalation.
I was travelling with my English gf, but the officer didn’t believe I was with her.
Lot of grief for a 2 week holiday in Key West.
Sometimes, people have bad days. No point getting upset, just doing his job, everything I answered was accurate and true and when they seperated us, the same answers were told by us both.
I could look at it as rude or difficult, but if they can stop one person from being trafficked or catch people, then I can live with a few questions. Their tone doesn’t really matter. Sometimes I suspect it’s done to trigger an escalation.
Mun *****
@Brian *******
if you flew into Miami I can totally understand that! It's probably one of the worst airports to enter the US at.Brian ********
@Mun ****
yeah - it was.
Anonymous ******************
You have to learn to ignore this. I had terrible experiences with immigration going to US or China, even Vietnam. We just have to ignore those few minutes and take it easy.
Paul *******
Anonymous participant 265 Vietnamese immigration officers are rude. The only difference though is that they almost never deny someone entry. Thus, a Vietnamese officer will never say things like "what are you doing in my country" unless you have a bad immigration history, such as having been on overstay.
Anonymous ******************
Did you get your DTV issued after arrived in Thailand and then got it activated at the BKK office
Anonymous *************
OPAnonymous participant 426 no my Visa was approved on 23 Jan. I stayed in Vietnam a couple more weeks because I enjoyed it.
Dean *****
Some immiguration officers just enjoy treating foreigners like that especially when they are not in the good mood.
Anonymous *************
OP@Dean ****
that's the feeling I got. Because he had an attitude from the time he saw me. Didn't even know I had a DTV.
Johnny *****
That was tame compared to how immigration officers in your own country treat people
Anonymous ******************
@Johnny ****
my worst experiences with immigrations are also in the US and Singapore...
Ken ***********
@Johnny ****
This statement is not true. In the USA if you go through the efforts in a different country to get an entry visa ...upon arrival you are granted entry with no hassle. I've witnessed this a number of times and many foreign friends have shared how easy the entry to the USA is when you've gone through the work to get the entry visa like this poster. Never in the USA would a bribe be asked to someone holding a valid entry visa. This is now becoming common practice at BKK...bribe required when all the paperwork is even in place.
I'm a long-term stay kind of person and TH is not the place to come any longer...imo
Maksym ***********
Ken Gunderson US immigration officer can deny entry even you has visa and they did this, often, and they are more strict then Thai immigration.
Did your friend tried to enter US for 90 days, go to Mexico and come back for next 90 days? :)
Did your friend tried to enter US for 90 days, go to Mexico and come back for next 90 days? :)
Elías ****************
Ken Gunderson this can't be serious, right? 😂
Johnny *****
Ken Gunderson even famous people like F1 drivers have been held up and interrogated for hours in private rooms in the US.
I've been through plenty of times, every time the same rude treatment and ridiculous questions for a short holiday. They're in their right to do that but it's not friendly or always no hassle, I can assure you. I'm assuming you're a US citizen so you probably don't get to see it from the other side of the fence.
I've been through plenty of times, every time the same rude treatment and ridiculous questions for a short holiday. They're in their right to do that but it's not friendly or always no hassle, I can assure you. I'm assuming you're a US citizen so you probably don't get to see it from the other side of the fence.
Anonymous ******************
As mentioned previously, holding a visa doesn’t protect you from being interrogated. This is how it works in Thailand and certainly in many other countries. Since the DTV is one of the easiest and cheapest visas available in Thailand, it’s not surprising to see a growing number of people being questioned when trying to enter. I’ve had very bad experiences in the US and Singapore in the past, even though I was completely legal; that’s just the job of immigration, and people need to understand it. And yes, dealing with a grumpy agent isn’t pleasant, but most of the time, when crossing a border anywhere in the world, I see the same behavior.
Greg ********
Anonymous participant 247 The worst experience I had was the UK where I am from. Working in Singapore for a very large British company and coming back to UK for a quarterly meeting. The poor Singaporean lady in front of me had it worse.!
Anonymous *************
OPAnonymous participant 247 I did suck it up and try for 30 minutes because I know he has a job to do but there is still a correct way to get information out of people. That's why I just stayed calm and asked for a supervisor.
Jeremy *****
Because you've been cheating the rules for 2 years and now got a 5 year visa
Theyre starting to be this way and I'm betting many like you who have pulled the in and out to live here with no visa will be rejected soon.
To many have abused the system for to long
If it was your country would you want people skirting the laws and rules to illegally live in it after all 🤷♂️
Theyre starting to be this way and I'm betting many like you who have pulled the in and out to live here with no visa will be rejected soon.
To many have abused the system for to long
If it was your country would you want people skirting the laws and rules to illegally live in it after all 🤷♂️
Incognia **********
@Jeremy ****
so why they are giving 5 years visa(selling)?Then dont sell.They should reject them before get DTV thenAnonymous *************
OP@Jeremy ****
you got issues. And I'm sure you are one that abuses alot of things in Thailand. Always a negative Nancy in the group. Have a wonderful day Butt Wipe.
Jeremy *****
Derry McCourtfacts man facts don't like it but true 🤷♂️
So many are abusing this visa including businesses it's insane
And is only going to lead to many changes as to the way to qualify for it .
You have to admit even many muay thai gyms are flat out using it as a cash grab as well.
Hundreds of clients signing up to go once a month is not what it was intended for if youre honest with yourself as a gym owner you know this as well as i do it is OBVIOUS 🤷♂️😂
How many clients do you have who train like a serious person who've used the dtv 🤔 again be big mad if you want but you know you're making cash off of many frauds 🤷♂️😂
So many are abusing this visa including businesses it's insane
And is only going to lead to many changes as to the way to qualify for it .
You have to admit even many muay thai gyms are flat out using it as a cash grab as well.
Hundreds of clients signing up to go once a month is not what it was intended for if youre honest with yourself as a gym owner you know this as well as i do it is OBVIOUS 🤷♂️😂
How many clients do you have who train like a serious person who've used the dtv 🤔 again be big mad if you want but you know you're making cash off of many frauds 🤷♂️😂
Derry *********
@Jeremy ****
I respect your opinion but I don't see it like that. I also think social media is not the place to promote so much negativity.I will say though that every course I sell I sell in good faith. I don't overcharge ... it's just our normal rates and the gym is prepared and happy to train the students whenever they turn up. I'm doing nothing wrong sir
Have a great day
Anonymous ******************
@Jeremy ****
We did not abuse anything. There is no rule on how many visa exemption we can have in a year. And we are exactly who the DTV is made for.Mun *****
Anonymous participant 265 abusing the system is strong language but not technically wrong, imho. And yes the DTV is designed for many people like you and I (although I've never spent more than 30 days in TH, but I'm intending to in future hence applying for the DTV). I would call what you've been doing as "following the letter but not the spirit of the law."
Jeremy *****
If you haven't abused anything they'd not give you a hard time 😂
Again the 60 day rule isn't made for living here as so many of you do 🤷♂️
Not was the dtv made for you and that "course" the course only came to he after the dtv was made after all 😂
Just admit that you want to live here and not actually do it the proper way and get a visa that allows it 😂
Deny all you'd like it's very obvious what you and many others are doing 😂
PS I signed up for the same course as well as muay thai and cooking classes because I want to actually learn
The course you refer to is nothing more than a money grab 😂
In a matter of time all embassies will reject it as many already are
And im sure it's been flagged as well already.
your Karen outrage over an Officer treating you like a cheat is hilarious truly
Again the 60 day rule isn't made for living here as so many of you do 🤷♂️
Not was the dtv made for you and that "course" the course only came to he after the dtv was made after all 😂
Just admit that you want to live here and not actually do it the proper way and get a visa that allows it 😂
Deny all you'd like it's very obvious what you and many others are doing 😂
PS I signed up for the same course as well as muay thai and cooking classes because I want to actually learn
The course you refer to is nothing more than a money grab 😂
In a matter of time all embassies will reject it as many already are
And im sure it's been flagged as well already.
your Karen outrage over an Officer treating you like a cheat is hilarious truly
Angelo ***********
@Jeremy ****
A DTV visa does allow it and is a proper visa. There are no unproper visa, unless you count the ones via agents which f ake your requirements as fulfilled.
Paul ********
@Jeremy ****
If only the Thais abided by your sense of righteousness. Can I please ask what the detriment to Thailand is by people "Skirting the rules" as you put it? By visiting Thailand and spending considerable amounts of money contributing to local businesses etc. I would accept your point of view if people playing the various immigration rules if they were the only ones bending the rules.🤣😂😁Rico ***********
Anonymer Teilnehmer 265 If you want to live in Thailand, then the DTV visa is the wrong choice. It is only a visa similar to a tourist or business visa but does not include a Permit of Stay.
Dan ********
@Jeremy ****
Does it matter?You pay your money,you get the visa,you follow it's stipulations and that's it.🤷Jeremy *****
Not angry at all I just dont like frauds 😘
Jeremy *****
@Charlene *********
I'm not anti dtv at all I'm anti fraud 🤷♂️😂And again it's not designed to be a oh I'm moving to Thailand visa
If that was the case you'd not have to extend every 180 days or only be allowed 360 days per year in country 🤘
Fąndn *******
Anonymous participant 265 ignore him
Charlene **********
@Jeremy ****
the dtv is multipleEntry visa for 5 years letting you stay for 6 months per stamp so actually this is ideal for most digital nomads who travel but maybe like to be in Thailand longer as it's a great country to reside in. Why would people who qualify get another visa costing more and taking longer to get when this one is perfect for most digital nomads? Who is to say people also don't wanna learn on it too. Why are you in this group if you are so anti dtv and coming for someone who had done the right thing and got a visa?
Anonymous ******************
@Jeremy ****
What an angry little man. Kiss.Jeremy *****
It wasn't made for you to live here 😂😂😂😂😂
There are many visas made for people to live here full-time after all 😂
Yoi don't qualify for them or you'd get one 🤷♂️
Again you want to skirt the rules and bend them
Just like people signing uo for muay thai classes who have never been to a gym or been punched in the face in life now all of a sudden have an interest at 50 years old to do it 😂
There are many visas made for people to live here full-time after all 😂
Yoi don't qualify for them or you'd get one 🤷♂️
Again you want to skirt the rules and bend them
Just like people signing uo for muay thai classes who have never been to a gym or been punched in the face in life now all of a sudden have an interest at 50 years old to do it 😂
Anonymous ******************
@Jeremy ****
No one denies anything. Yes we want to live here, that's why we applied for DTV and that's what DTV was made for.You can relax, we are here to spend our money earned abroad, not to rob anyone.
Julien ****
This is immigrant life. Going through US and Canada customs was a tough one when I was immigrating there. If you want to get into a new country, you should toughen up, your visa does not mean that you get any differential treatment, it is up to the officer to make the decision. They do not like borders runs. I don't blame them as it is usually done by low income people that can potentially work illegally and do not bring anything to the country. And I am not saying that you are one.
Anonymous *************
OP@Julien ***
this was not a border run. Believe me I'm very tough. I didn't bow down to his attitude and I didn't allow him to talk to me like I'm less than. I answered all his questions politely and with respect. And I calmly ask for a supervisor and I got my passport stamp. So you toughing up. And believe me I have plenty of money retired at the age of 36 and haven't worked in 12 years. There is not been a continent I haven't traveled to. I donate to Orphanage twice a year as well as volunteer at them. I'm giving back to this country and respect the laws. I have never been told anything about me coming in and out of Thailand until I gor a valid Visa. I decided to get the DTV to have a valid Visa in the country I like to spend more year in.
Anonymous *************
OP@Julien ***
I hear you. But I have plenty of money been retired for 12 years and don't plan on working. And I'm only 48. I donate to Orphanage twice a year and also volunteer at them. I try to give back to this country. That's why I remained calm because I'm sure he thought I was a lowlife. But even if that's the case there is a way to talk to people to get your point across. That's why I just asked for supervisor.
Ken ***********
@Julien ***
Huh....obviously you've never traveled much in your life. Because someone has to do a border run does not mean they are abusing the host country and not contributing....or low budget folks. Border runs are standard and mandatory "for anyone" wanting to stay in any country longer then the entry visas/extensions allow. Walk around the public areas and beaches in town and you'll see tons of long-stay tourist dropping $1,000s of US/EURs, etc each month, propping up the economy of many towns like Hua Hin....who need this infusion of foreign cash support.
DTV's are just the newest visa gimmick that many long-stay tourists are going to start using to extend their stays without have to do border runs. Its allowed, so why not work to get one. This irks Thai immigration officers for some reason.
I read and hear many stories of having to pay a bribe to get into TH with your DTV in hand. That's blatant corruption imo. It's soured my thoughts of Thailand because of a recent bribe incident. Vietnam is where I'll be spending my dollars next year...and maybe the year after that, and the year after that, etc.
Julien ****
Ken Gunderson I did not travel much but immigrated to Canada from France with a Canadian passport and worked legally in the US and now own a house in Thailand. There is a reason why officers do not like multiple border run. Most of those frequent border runs are done by low income people with a good chunk that do illegal work. Yes, there are some big spender that do border run but they usually find a a more suitable solution for long term stay. 1000 euro a month is peanuts for the economy.
Greg ********
Ken Gunderson Most of those long-stay tourists in HH are retirees - not tourists
Ken ***********
@Julien ***
Cool that you've made your residence here. I've always liked TH and Hua Hin in particular. Btw...you missed the "s" on the $1,000s.Without the long-stay tourists in Hua Hin you'd have a completely different town. Most infrastructure and community improvements made here are because Hua Hin has become a popular long-term stay tourist center. Visit some of the other towns in TH that don't see the high percentage of long-stay folks and you'll understand what a difference this makes.
TH has probably lost me as a long-stay visitor because of their new policy to discourage necessary visa runs to stay more than 90 days. The current entry-hassle policy and under-the-table bribes to return to my leased beach condo and rented motorcycle is not something I will endure ever again. Btw...I'd be in the category of $1,000s spent here a month...not low income.
I can't be the only one with these feelings. Hua Hin without us 6 month stay folks could suffer without our presence. This could have an 'overnight effect' if everyone has the same thoughts as me.
Nat *****
May I ask which airport? DMK or BKK
Anonymous *************
OP@Nat ****
BKK
Simon ******
With the DTV I did get a couple of questions, which I haven't usually had before. I answered very concisely with one word answers and I get the sense immigration officers were just checking that what I said matched with what was on my DTV application. Avoid any additional rights based "because I can" statements because sounds like you got a "because he can" response back.
Anonymous *************
OP@Simon *****
how was I supposed to respond?Simon ******
Anonymous participant yes sir, no sir. One word can be enough.
Simon ******
Anonymous participant here is how I would have handled the situation. Q) When the immigration officer is annoyed about my handing over the visa when he did not ask for it A) apologize for the mistake because it is his country and I have to show respect to officials. Q) When asked about why I got the DTV in Vietnam A) Give the actual reason I was in Vietnam and be prepared to show evidence of my activities there. Responding that "someone said I could get a visa in Vietnam" doesn't answer the question. Having then realised he was getting annoyed about his issue with process you then decided to avoid answering his questions. Then you anonymously complain on facebook and start justifying your behaviour. All of which means you are hiding things and using them to provoke other people.
Simon ******
Anonymous participant you're asking me how to reply simply when your first comment clearly stated that you gave no explanation whatsoever as to what you were doing in Vietnam. All your previous explanation states is your legal entitlements to apply for the dtv there and no explanation as to why you were actually in Vietnam. As someone who used to work in government- skirting around questions is immediately suspicious. Never underestimate peoples ability to get upset about surprising things and don't expect too much.
Anonymous *************
OP@Simon *****
how do I reply to why you went to Vietnam with Yes Sir, No sir. I did give simple answer. Until a simple answer wasn't enough.
Theodore ***************
They not thought the DVT visa through that's the problem
Will soon be revoked of that I am sure
Will soon be revoked of that I am sure
Jarek ************
TH just wants the money and not the foreigners, make sure to stay in TH under 180 days during a calendar year so you don't have to deal with the income tax BS...
Shake *****
@Jarek ***********
tax income,,i never heard of that? Pls explain? I know people who do visa runs, etc.Jarek ************
@Shake ****
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Veniamin **********
@Jarek ***********
come on, almost no one has a tax id yet. And there is no punishment for not having one. So.. no tax id = no taxation.Jarek ************
@Veniamin *********
not true, especially if it gets tied in with immigration something that can easily be done. Where did you get that there is no punishment for not failing and paying???
Sweet *****
@Jarek ***********
ok thanks for the AI reply but this is in relation to evading income tax. Veniamin was specifically making a point that there is no punishment for not having a tax ID, in which you stated was not true. Stop scaremongering, no one is going to be punished for not having a tax ID.Jarek ************
@Sweet ****
Failing to file your income tax in Thailand can lead to several penalties and legal consequences. Here's what you need to know:1. Late Filing Penalties:
Monetary Fines: If you do not submit your tax return by the due date, you may incur a fine of up to 2,000 Baht.
Interest on Unpaid Taxes: A surcharge of 1.5% per month is applied to any outstanding tax amount, calculated from the day after the filing deadline until the tax is paid. Even a fraction of a month is considered a full month for this calculation.
2. Additional Penalties for Non-Compliance:
Failure to File After a Summons: If tax officials issue a summons and discover that you haven't filed a tax return or have underpaid, you may be liable to pay a fine equal to or double the amount of tax due, in addition to the standard surcharge.
Intentional Tax Evasion: Deliberately providing false information or attempting to evade taxes can result in severe penalties, including imprisonment ranging from 3 months to 7 years and fines between 2,000 Baht and 200,000 Baht.
3. Criminal Charges:
In cases of deliberate tax evasion, individuals may face criminal charges, leading to imprisonment of up to one year and fines up to 200,000 Baht, or both.
4. Risk of Audits:
Late or non-filing increases the likelihood of a tax audit by the Thai Revenue Department, which can further complicate your financial situation.
Recommendations:
Timely Filing: Ensure you file your tax returns within the specified deadlines to avoid these penalties.
Seek Professional Assistance: If you're uncertain about the filing process or your tax obligations, consider consulting with a tax professional familiar with Thai tax laws.
By adhering to Thailand's tax regulations and filing requirements, you can avoid these penalties and maintain compliance with the law.
Sweet *****
@Jarek ***********
where did you get that there was punishment?
Al**
@Jarek ***********
This is what I don't understand, people are praising the DTV visa but in reality it's just a way to stay for 6 months per year unless you want to be a tax resident. So in theory one must stay 6 months in a calendar year in Thailand and spend the other 6 months elsewhere kinda sucks honestly.Elías ****************
@Al**
No need to pay taxes in Thailand if you don't remit any money.Paul *******
@Elías ***************
You can charge your way through Thailand to some extent, but you'll be limiting yourself to upper middle class and higher end facilities (not a bad way to live) but just saying, it could mean missing out on markets (except for some of the higher end, expat oriented farmers markets where some merchants accept card payments), street food and a lot of other things.On the positive side, nearly all stores at malls, 90% of gas (petrol) stations, hotels booked through booking agents and any hotel of 3 or 4 star and above standing will accept cards.
All major supermarkets, convenience stores such as 711 (for amounts above 200 Baht), most expressway booths (but not all...you have to know which ones accept cards and which ones don't), most chain restaurants, many cafes (except those in more out of the way locations), all higher end restaurants etc. take card payments.
However, a good 50% of the economy does not.
Elías ****************
@Jarek ***********
with my non-Thai money (credit/debit cards). I'm paying everything with it, from BTS tickets to accommodation and food since I first came to the country. I'm NOT doing this to do not pay taxes, rather, I see no reason at all to move my money (either partially) from its original account (outside of Thailand) to Thailand. As a matter of fact, I don't even have a Thai bank account.Jarek ************
@Elías ***************
unless you're living with a rich gf who covers all your bills i am not sure how you're going to explain how you paid for rent, food, transportation etc...Jarek ************
@Al**
yap, might as well just fly in 2 times for 3 months or 3 times for 2 months and not deal with any of the drama. VN offers 3 month tourist visa and I never had any issues there. Also they aren't chasing people over income tax unless you work locally.
Nicholas **************
FYI, in the future, the correct answer to all questions is “tourism.” Not “courses,” or “seminars.” Why Vietnam? Tourism. Why Thailand? Tourism. Your answers were probably perceived as work related, and they take that very seriously.
Anonymous *************
OP@Nicholas *************
okay, thanks for the advice.Anonymous ******************
@Nicholas *************
People have a history in the immigration system, so whether tourism is an excuse or not, it won’t change how officers target individuals. You can’t pretend to be a tourist if you already have a history of excessive exemptions; be honest and that's it.Nicholas **************
Anonymous participant 247 yeah definitely. I just meant when getting “interrogated” it’s best to give the simplest answers that they want to hear, not overly complicating things.
Adam *****
@Nicholas *************
but "courses" and "seminars" are reasons for applying for the DTV.Nicholas **************
@Adam ****
it’s asking a lot of an agent to know that. It’s brand new. They just want to hear that you’re not working. The underlying reason for the visit. Not the specifics which were probably confusing to the agent. Just my theory.Nicholas **************
@Luit ****************
okay sure then the OP should just do the same thing and see what happens. 🤦♂️😂Luit *****************
@Nicholas *************
I think you highly underestimate the immigration officers we are talking about here, not agents.Adam *****
@Nicholas *************
then just say "Muay Thai course" or "cooking course"
Brendan *****
I've only ever met one decent immigration officer in the past 2 years. Rest have all been rude and arrogant.
Ivan ***********
The in and out for two years might have risen some concern.
Shake *****
@Ivan **********
people do visa runs all the time,,in & out is normal...Luit *****************
@Shake ****
the fact that visa runs happen frequently does not make it normal.It is just difficult to stop this behaviour, because normal tourists then also get limitations.
How can you think it is normal to get in and out a country every time to stay there legally?
They invented visa for that, and in case you cannot or do not want to comply to the requirements, that simply means you are not welcome.
A lot of countries have a much stricter policy.
Here in this group are a lot of Australians, but if I want to live in Australia, that is nearly impossible.
USA about the same, so I don't really understand why those people think Thailand should let in everyone.
Greg ********
@Shake ****
and many are picked up doing it. The IO has discretion and if he thinks you are not a genuine tourist and living in Thailand on Visa Exempt or TR he can deny you entry. It has always been thus.Greg ********
@Shake ****
It is not uniform who gets picked up an stopped etc.Shake *****
@Greg *******
ok. I understand.thank you, BUT normally thats not the case since ive been here. Visa runs, apartment leases, touring, spending currency etc. 👍🏽Ken ***********
@Ivan **********
I don't understand this logic. Many people in the world 'live foreign'. There are no rules to say that a person can't live in Thailand for 20 years (or more), as long as this person deals with their border run obligations correctly. Recent corrupt immigration events shows that "welcoming" Thailand has changed. They are not as open to long-term stay folks any longer. Their actions at the entry points show they seem happy with folks who never come here much and only stay a short time, but if you want to extend than their goal is to hassle you when entering. Their new M.O. I feel.
Why go through it....there are many other close by countries who appreciate your visits and cash. What made TH so great was their non-hassle aspect at entry. That's gone now for some reason.
VN just changed their policy to be more open. Cheaper to live there and the food is better imo.
Luit *****************
Ken Gunderson border run obligations??
Nobody says people should do border runs.
In fact that is most times against the rules.
Visa exempt is for tourists, not for people living for 20 years in Thailand.
The fact that immigration is trying to stop these practices is not corrupt as you call it, but just the contrary.
Vietnam more open? I need a visa when I want to stay as tourist for a few days, in Thailand that is free.
Nobody says people should do border runs.
In fact that is most times against the rules.
Visa exempt is for tourists, not for people living for 20 years in Thailand.
The fact that immigration is trying to stop these practices is not corrupt as you call it, but just the contrary.
Vietnam more open? I need a visa when I want to stay as tourist for a few days, in Thailand that is free.
Luit *****************
Ken Gunderson indeed there are no rules that say you cannot come back, but visa exempt is only for tourist use, and living there a long time is not tourist use, that is the rule, and it is up to the individual immigration officer to decide if you are already tourist, that is the loophole.
A lot of other countries solved this kind of problems by saying you can stay for example 90 days in a 180 day period.
A lot of other countries solved this kind of problems by saying you can stay for example 90 days in a 180 day period.
Ken ***********
@Luit ****************
Hahaha....In 20 years I've lived in 15 nations...choosing a different one each year. That's my lifestyle. There are ZERO rules in the TH immigration system that says I can exit after 90 days and not return to start the clock over again. Check it out...Two years ago I lived in VN and a border run was required every 30 days....did 5 runs with a bunch of other tourists (all spending $1000s in VN) for my 6 months there. Each time the VN immigration folks welcomed us with open arms and smiles. Like they USED TO DO here...but no longer.
They CHANGED their policy to long term stayers (6 month)....as such I think were will be lots of folks like me not returning. Bummer...but that's what they have created.
Daniel *********
Ken Gunderson if you’re doing my visa runs for 20 years, you aren’t a “tourist” so you’re probably breaking the rules of your visa.
And what digital nomads do by “living foreign” isn’t what many people do, we are a tiny tiny minority and Thai civil servants are likely to find that very strange
And what digital nomads do by “living foreign” isn’t what many people do, we are a tiny tiny minority and Thai civil servants are likely to find that very strange
Sean *******
When he asked you what you're doing and heard the word seminar he definitely thought you were working illegally. Probably safer to say learning to cook or Muay Thai.
Anonymous *************
OP@Sean ******
I was just trying to be honest. I guess sometimes honestly is not the best policy.
蓝**
90% similar situation with me when I enter Thailand with DTV visa.
Cory **********
A lot of people are using agents and flying to Vietnam for the DTV. They don’t meet the requirements why they use an agent. It is a scam and frustrating to immigration officers. The officers asked who told you to go to Vietnam? You got a DTV on a Seminar? It does seem to raise red flags you used an agent and didn’t meet the requirements for the visa. My two cents. Cheers 🍻
Anonymous *************
OP@Cory *********
I didn't use an agent I did it myself. Believe me money is not an issue for me. But I refuse to waste the money on an elite visa when I could put that money towards the Orphanage in Thailand that I volunteer and donate too.Cory **********
Anonymous participant I understand. I was just giving my two cents why he thought you may have cheated the system why the extra questions. The agents are sending everyone to same embassy you used. Cheers 🍻
Veniamin **********
@Cory *********
I assume escalation to the supervisor saved her visa. As I understand, officer can turn the visa down on the border.
Biff *******
@Veniamin *********
they can deny entry, but they need a legal reason to do that. Escalating to a superior, in this case, showed that the first officer didn’t have one. Many people go to Vietnam to apply for DTV. It’s nearby, the consulate/embassy process them quickly. I was there recently with a friend of mine who did exactly that. No agents involved. Nothing inappropriate and no questions from immigration on our return to Bangkok.
There was absolutely no justification for this officer’s behaviour and his rudeness was something that could be successfully complained about.
The OP did the right thing throughout the process, from application to approval to entry into the kingdom.
That immigration officer was in the wrong and after she escalated the issue, she wasn’t subjected to further inappropriate behaviour.
Sean *******
@Cory *********
Good point. It definitely looks better to them when it's from your home country
James ********
FYI, Vietnam does not have any long term visas. Other than border runs. Enjoy your time in Thailand.
Biff *******
You did the right thing in escalating that to a supervisor. You were also polite, stood your ground and have done nothing wrong.
Don’t let one angry person make decisions for you as to where you want to spend your time.
Just to add to this, I usually pay for fast track immigration. Not just to skip the queue but the officers in the fast track lane are usually more experienced and less hassled. Always get a smile too.
Don’t let one angry person make decisions for you as to where you want to spend your time.
Just to add to this, I usually pay for fast track immigration. Not just to skip the queue but the officers in the fast track lane are usually more experienced and less hassled. Always get a smile too.
Anonymous *************
OP@Biff ******
thank you so much for understanding.
Kevin *******
@Biff ******
i always go through fast track and got questioned this last time i came in on a workcation dtvBiff *******
@Kevin ******
I didn’t say it wouldn’t happen. If your immigration history warrant’s questioning, you’ll get questioned. What is unlikely though is that you’ll get shouted at like the OP did.
Cinn ********
@Biff ******
Does fast track you paid in Thailand is like in Singapore? (No immigration officer for some citizens just scan passport and pass.) And how much did you pay for the fast track sir?
Rex ******
@Cinn *******
Foreigners can scan and go in SG too.Biff *******
@Cinn *******
฿1200 per person per entry. Yes. I have used this company but there are others available
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Biff *******
@Cinn *******
I’ve never been to Singapore. It works like this; the company whose service you pay for has staff that meet you either at the gate when you get off the plane (Don Meaung) or by gate number 5 at Suvarnabhumi. They escort you to the fast track immigration lane. You go through and they wait for you on the other side, help you get your bag and if you’ve also booked transport with them, take you to the car.
Fast track only was ฿1200
More for the car service on top if you choose that as well.
It’s all explained on the company websites you find after a search for
Fast track immigration services Bangkok
Derek *******
@Cinn *******
thanks for these questions, these were the questions I was originally trying to ask him.Cinn ********
@Biff ******
Thank you so much for useful info!🙏🏽 1,200B per entry to Thailand each time or ? Could you please recommend the company you’re using this service ?
Anonymous ******************
@Cinn *******
no, Singapore uses egates via biometric scanning. I don't believe Thailand has that for arrival yet as they need to check your visa manually (you can use egates for departures though, like bkk). Fast track is usually paying someone to put you in a short line (eg for crew, diplomats). You will still need to get stamped in by an immigration officerDerek *******
@Biff ******
how do you apply for fast track immigration? What are the requirements?Biff *******
Anonymous ******************
@Biff ******
where do you pay for that, never seen an option like thatBiff *******
Anonymous participant 432 buy it before you travel. A search will find companies that offer it.
Michael ***********
Weeks ago when I got to Bangkok was in the line waiting to give passport and usual eye scan ect when a woman came along shouting telling people to stand behind the lines,fare statement it was busy but then opened another que and told me to go down so I went gave passport and was grilled why I had gone so many times ??? Like you I never over stayed live the place bought a property to be then passed to another woman that started saying I needed a retirement visa ?? To which I replied I was going to but my solicitor said that now with 2 months on your entry there was really no point yet so I went with his recommendation,this was no good they were going totally over the top threatening to send me straight back on the flight I'd just got off they passed me over to another man who just asked me the same as you signed my paperwork and I was out of there pure joke really
Anonymous *************
OP@Michael **********
yeah, Bangkok is rough, I see. This was my first time going through Bangkok immigration and my last. Sorry you had to deal with it as well.Paul *******
Anonymous participant Phuket is worse. Just accept the fact that some checkpoints are not that friendly and in fact, they're starting to scrutinize people more, in general, regardless of where you enter.
Anonymous ******************
Obviously just having a bad day. We all get them.
Anonymous *************
OPAnonymous participant 373 yes, I understand.
George *******
Anonymous participant 373 Shouldn't take your out of work problems with you to work. Not professional.
Anonymous ******************
@George ******
well it’s not. But we all have off days. You never know someone’s circumstances
Wai ******
Some Thai immigration officers come across as unnecessarily arrogant, and I can’t quite understand why. In contrast, immigration officers in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia seem far more welcoming to foreigners.
Paul *******
@Wai *****
I don't get that impression at all. Cambodian officers are usually surly, almost never say hi and don't like it when you lean into their window. They never have a conversation with you.I prefer Thai officers BUT I will say that officers stationed at airports are usually not very friendly.
Vietnamese officers are downright rude - they'll throw your passport back at you. Forget about being greeted properly.
Lao officers are indifferent, except at remote land borders, where they can be quite friendly (but then again so are Thai officials at remote borders). It helps if you speak Thai/Lao though.
Sean *******
It seems they don't like it that you spent time in Thailand previously and applied from a neighbouring country. They think some people have been working illegally in Thailand.
Luit *****************
@Sean ******
Doing a visa run never is something the country issuing the visa will like very much.And about the working in Thailand before, I think they might be right.
Wannikea *********
This is why the government is reviewing the booze ban on Buddha days.
Anonymous ******************
Really sorry you had this bad experience but please don’t let the negative interaction with this one immigration officer put you off. As you are well aware, a vast majority of Thai’s are lovely people.
Paul *******
@Nestor *******
Communist countries love control.Laos is another one - although they allow foreign cars and motorcycles in, they now permit vehicles in for 15 days only, plus the possibility of a paid 7 day extension.
Up until recently, you got 30 days for free automatically.
Why exactly they made these changes is a mystery but it's typical Communist mentality.
By comparison, Thailand might allow a 60 day stay for drivers of foreign vehicles if you ask.
Nestor ********
@Paul ******
Nikolaus Krebs theorized the coincidentia oppositorum..the opposites are actually coincidental..Communism..fascism..red..black..both criminal organizations.
Paul *******
@Nestor *******
Indeed. Still, Vietnam is improving fast in many ways and I feel it's safer for tourists too.Anonymous *************
OPAnonymous participant 926 thank you. I will definitely listen to your advice.
Nestor ********
Anonymous participant 926
Lovely people?
Hardly..
Only if they can use you as a walking ATM..
No money....no honey.
Thai were nice people in the sixties and seventies..when Bangkok had 2 million people and elephants were a common sight everywhere.
Lovely people?
Hardly..
Only if they can use you as a walking ATM..
No money....no honey.
Thai were nice people in the sixties and seventies..when Bangkok had 2 million people and elephants were a common sight everywhere.
Pertti **********
@Nestor *******
What a really bad attitude You have :)Nestor ********
@Paul ******
Thank you for your informations.Paul *******
@Nestor *******
Fair enough. Yes, Vietnam imposes some absolutely ridiculous rules. Vietnam is perfectly fine for a vacation though, as long as you don't mind being Chauferred around (although you can also rent a motorcycle or scooter with little effort) just not a self-drive car.Nestor ********
@Paul ******
The poorer the country the stupidest the rules..Instead of encouraging tourism they make it more and more difficult.
Thailand is overrated in my opinion..
Bloody expensive and poor quality.
Paul *******
@Nestor *******
Not necessarily much more expensive than self-drive in another country, but depends on the distances traveled. Yeah, Vietnam is super strict on driving rules. They also neither recognize foreign licenses and with IDPs they may or may not be recognized. Equally, foreign plates aren't allowed to enter without a tour. Very nanny state like behavior. Granted, driving in Vietnam isn't easy, but it's becoming easier thanks to more lane separation between cars and motorcycles and the emergence of expressways and such. Yet Vietnamese officials are stuck in a 1970s timewarp on this issue.Nestor ********
@Paul ******
I drove tens of thousand km in Thailand..I survived..very dangerous though especially during Songkran.Nestor ********
@Paul ******
I didn't know that..Quite a silly rule.
I wonder how expensive it would be to rent a car with driver.
Paul *******
@Nestor *******
However, for a DIY, independent traveler, Thailand is better. You can do nearly everything someone would be able to in the USA or Europe..you can rent a car and drive yourself. This is not possible in Vietnam, where self-drive car rental is unavailable.Nestor ********
@Paul ******
Probably you are right..however the Thai have a much longer experience..since the Vietnam war R&R..Rest and Recreation of the American soldiers.Paul *******
@Nestor *******
I get what you're saying (I know Vietnam well, spent some time living and working there and still travel there on business at least once a year) but less scams in Vietnam? My impression is there are more. That stated, things are improving.Nestor ********
@Pertti *********
Realistic..I'm old and i visited Thailand the first time in the early seventies..last time 6 years ago..and not for a few days...months each time..so I know what I'm talking about..Since pre Covid I privilege Vietnam..better people..better beer..best food in south east Asia.. much cheaper prices..less scams..
Fąndn *******
He probably just got scolded by his wife or supervisor so took it out on you 🫤
Greg ********
@Fąndn ******
It is usually the "Mia Noi" that upsets them demanding more money lolAnonymous *************
OP@Fąndn ******
😂 Thanks for the laugh
Keith *********
What country are you from?
Anonymous *************
OP@Keith ********
USA
Kieran *******
Wow, what a ‘welcome’ 😳
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