How can I obtain a 12-month visa as the father of my child in Thailand without hiring a lawyer?

@Lee **********

I had to Google that one. This whole post is something else😃

@Michael *******

yes that's true. If the child is older they can identify you as their parent

@Michael *******

There is, I just explained to you.

I did it without going to court.

@Michael *******

All I can tell you is in Chiang Mai, they did for me.

Brought the paper to immigration and it this was good. Each year now, at extension time, I go get a copy of the letter from the office and get my extension. I NEVER went to court.

If I have picture of the letter, I will send you so you can see.

@Michael *******

you know everyone has their hand out in Thailand

@Michael *******

it's the Thai way brother. You got to follow there rules in their country 🤦🏻‍♂️

@David *********

this is not Thailand rules...

@Michael *******

it seems you have asked a question on this site but whatever answers are given you are quite aggressive with your responses and constantly say you want to do it yourself.

20,000baht is not expensive for a lawer to help with your isssue..

If you don't want to use a lawyer then don't, keep going to immigration with your papers, you never know someone might feel sorry for you and do as you ask, but be prepared to wait a long time for that one helpful person. Other than that why not get your Thaingirlfriend to go with you to have it explained properly as to what needs doing...

@Julie **********

maybe that's why because he doesn't ask about someone income and doesn't matter it?

I will never understand stupid people who would rather pay and be milked than do something themselves.

@YT *******************

the majority of the answers are all the same, he gives aggressive messages back.. if he wants to do it himself that's his choice... quite honestly I couldn't careless.

But don't ask a question if you don't like the responses....

@Julie **********

All these answers are simple trolling and such people should be condemned because they are a blight on the Internet.

@YT *******************

you are the one that is trolling. Now go away or ill report you to Facebook for harrassment

@Julie **********

no, I fully agree with the author so how I can be troll lol 😂😂 I'll report you because you started and you're troll

@YT *******************

then you will have to report everyone whose made comment, good bye 👋

@Julie **********

no, i have good laughing from them 🤣🤣. Have a nice day.

@Julie **********

But he didn't ask whether it was cheap or expensive. He didn't ask for opinions on price. The question is completely different.

@YT *******************

he shouldn't have made the comment then should he...

Anyway, I don't care so please don't respond to me any further

@Julie **********

when you write, you have to expect answer. If you don't want answer, don't text this bullshit. Everyone taking about money, are you blind or what?

@Michael *******

well for starters I've been in Thailand for 12 years, and I don't think living on 133 thb a day is possible including your cost of housing transportation, etc etc. Do share your budget, I am very intriqued how you live a life of 4000 thb per month. I reckon it would be a youtube smash.

@Michael *******

to apply for the 12-months extension of stay permit based on support of half-Thai child, Immigration asks for the family court approval of your fathership. Your name on the birth certificate is not enough. And you need to meet the financial requirements - either 40,000 THB monthly income, or a deposit of a minimum of 400,000.- THB

@Michael *******

you can get a 90 days family visa with only your name on the birth certificate. Maybe you even can get a one year multi entry family visa with only the name on the birth certificate. But you can't get a one-year extension. Since you wrote that you are living in Thailand "on a Non-Imm-O visa" for two years, one could actually start to wonder if you mean a visa or an extension. Many people in the Facebook groups confuse the visa with the extension

@Michael *******

you don't need to exit Thailand to visit an embassy. You can apply for the 12-months extension of stay on Immigration once you got those papers from the Thai family court, and 400,000.- THB in your bank account, seasoned for two months at the date of application, OR a legalized by your french embassy in Bangkok income affidavit of 40,000 THB monthly. . . .If your stay permit is running out , then alternatively you could visit the consulate in Savannakhet and get a new 90 days single entry Non-Imm-O family visa based on having a half Thai child, without proof of money in the bank or income. However, I do not know if Savannakhet will accept the name on the birth certificate or also asks for the court order. You will have to ask them

@Michael *******

you can go back to the same embassy who issued your current 90-days Non-Imm-O family visa. They might issue another one, without court order proof of legal fathership

@Michael *******

alternatively, you could ask an embassy or consulate, if they were willing to issue a 1-year multi entry Non-Imm-O family visa, based on supporting a half Thai child - using the birth certificate only. However you would need to show 400,000.- THB in a Thai bank account for that, on most embassies. No seasoning needed at this point, the money must only sit in the account

@Michael *******

maybe post this question in the FB Thai Visa Advice group, and expect Tod Daniels or Elly Takei to confirm

@Michael *******

actually Savannakhet does not mention the multi entry Non-O family version on their website. However in the Thai Visa Advice group, people have reported that if you show up and ask for it, they will issue it

@Michael *******

then you could start calling on phone, the embassies in the neighbouring countries, and ask them if they were willing to issue a 365-days multi entry Non-Imm-O family visa based on support of half Thai child, with 400,000.- THB in the bank and your name on the birth certificate. I guess the general consulate Savannakhet will accept it. You need however to take the Thai mother along. With this yearlong visa, on each entry you get stamped in for 90 days. You will need to border bounce in order to activate the next 90 days

@Michael *******

you can try. I don't know if embassies and consulates outside of Thailand accept the name on the birth certificate or not, for the application to a 90-days single entry Non-Imm-O family visa. Many of these embassies go by their very own rules and they can differ from each other

@Michael *******

no, I didn't say to apply for a long term visa. I said that you can apply for the long term "12-months extension of stay" - which is not a visa at all

@Michael *******

Yes, I asked the court about the lawyer. They said don't need a lawyer. And I am also an interpreter for my child's father.

@YT *******************

no need the hate, others can be laughing at you for having such a thin budget unable to have access to a higher budget lifestyle, where has someone who has the means can go down or go up whenever they wish. Drop the hate boys

@Eddie ***

But it's just the opposite. Completely. They are the ones who cannot feel life because they are throwing money away and will never reach the level of my life. Precisely because I don't throw money away. This is the characteristic of people who have money. What kind of life is it if you work every day from morning to evening?

@YT *******************

is do not agree. The way you look at money is relative to how much you make. 1000thb is only 0.1% to a person who makes 1 million thb a month, vs a person who makes 10,000 thb a month 1000 is 10% of his income. So naturally spending habits will be different. To say people with higher income or spending hasn’t reach your level is simply narcissistic , how do you know they have not, perhaps they started out shit poor and made their way to where they are and now they are enjoying their fruits of labor

@Eddie ***

I know rich people. I'm rich myself, although I don't like talking about it. I have reached a level where I know that money is not important. We don't have to work. If someone has to make money, they are far from enjoying life and will probably never experience it. And I don't agree that everything depends on earnings. This type of thinking will never allow you to live your life to the fullest. You will never achieve your goals. Read the book Rich Dad Poor Dad and your perspective will completely change. Advice from me. If you have to go to work, change something in your life. Only poor people work.

@YT *******************

so just curious , how does one create passive income without working to get their initial cash flow? Lol. And once one has a passive income is one guilty or not achieving their goals when they enjoy their money? Lol i am sure robert the author who claims to have 1000 housing units doesn’t live on 5000 thb a month :) oh incase you quote he leveraged debt to make money, fyi you kinda need to put in the work first for credit to able to incur any debt

@Eddie ***

magic my friend, magic.

@Michael *******

tell us the secret to live on 20k baht per month? Or your gf pay the rest?

@М. ***

I spent 10k per month, I think 20k per 3 months is very possible.

@Michael *******

what us funny in the YOU are the moron.

@Frank *********

only one moron is you here, you started it

@YT *******************

was not even talking to you go hide under a rock.

@Frank *********

you muppet 😁

@Frank *********

when you behave like an idiot, you have to take into account that not only the author will scold you. you better get out of here because you're making a laughing stock of yourself

@Frank *********

A lawyer can be hired for complex cases. But not for submitting papers that even a child can fill out. This is the difference between pathetic people and intelligent people.

@Steve ******

If this guy doesn't want to pay for simple things he can do himself, why do you judge him? If you're so rich, why don't you make a donation? I don't understand people who complain that they don't earn much, that everything is expensive, but they easily waste money because they can't do anything themselves. This is pathetic.

@YT *******************

You're replying to the wrong person, I was the one who agreed with his visa situation! FFS! Try reading the posts before you comment!

@Steve ******

sorry

@YT *******************

no worries

@Giorgio ********

20k is good price for 5 girls ons not for lawyer 😁

@Michael *******

it's very valid comment in my opinion.

@Michael *******

nothing non-sense about it. That 20k one time fee is the least of your worries. You better figure out the education and health care situation. It is not cheap if you want the best money can buy for your child.

@Us ****

The child has Thai citizenship and of course can go to school. The author doesn't want to pay for something he can do himself, what do you see wrong with that? There are already enough losers who pay for everything, even to write a piece of paper 🤦.

I know that people are usually stupid now, as your comments and others show, but have mercy! If you can do something yourself, do it yourself!

@YT *******************

where do your kids go to school ?

@YT *******************

yes of course the child can go to school, a government run/funded Thai language only Thai school. So the kids development is already behind his alternative (internationally schooled) self by having this lower level of education. To stand any chance of greatness, they'll need to be the top of their class, the top of their year, so they'll need to be absolutely fluent in Thai, or they'll struggle and end up in the bottom class, with naughty kids and those with learning difficulties. So imagine the parents you're going to meet on parents day, school sports day etc, that's if the parents are known, and not in jail, or drunk/high on those days. Imaging you and your girlfriend are busy on a day, unable to collect the kid. Don't worry because a classmates dad can pick them up and drop them home, once he's used your child as a decoy on a drugs run from the next province. He's high/drunk, got no licence or insurance, a history of child sex abuse and a car full of Crystal meth. Are you starting to get the picture ? Can you just imagine the kids and the parents you will encounter ? Well that is your child's life for 10-11 years. If the child is female, she'll end up as a sex worker, or in 7-11, or a beauty technician in a nail shop. If it's a boy, he'll end up a woman, or motorbike mechanic. Now imagine the same at an international school. The school facilities, the international and English speaking teachers with western standards and expectations, The intelligent, inspirational and English speaking classmates, and their pleasant and responsible and trustworthy parents, mostly still together in a relationship, few with any criminal record, local or international business owners, well connected, with people in high places, and willing to help out the parents of their kids classmate. Possibly even make lifetime friends, the kids AND you. Imagine the sleepovers. Even though you don't think you'll need any of this, it's nice to have it there incase.

Also, I'll guess that you don't speak much Thai, and yes the kids can pick up words eventually, but how will you really communicate and express yourself and your feelings and such and how will they ?. I'm sure you may have noticed that is missing from conversations with your partner. I say 'conversation' but it's not really now is it.

@Us ****

Your parents were poor and that's why you didn't have a full education, am I right? 😁

I hope you're just trolling.

@YT *******************

My parents did come to America with nothing, but for some reason, I took advantage of it and got my bachelor and master degree.

@Us ****

🤣 master degree of stupidity 🤣 yes we all agreed

@YT *******************

Do you have one? It's just a piece of paper. It doesn't mean I am smart or stupid. But it did make my parents proud and allow me to make a shit ton of money. Ya, I am stupid. 😉

@Us ****

all you have is a pathetic internet life

@YT *******************

I love your name calling. I never insulted you, yet you called me stupid, pathetic, my parents are poor, and I didn't have much of an education. This shows how uneducated you are as a person and I believe you are talking about yourself.

@YT *******************

way to lose he debate. Have a nice day

@Shea ******

who lose debate? Because not me. Only mappets who work all day thinking like you. I'm rich, I have visited 50 countries and no, rich people don't work at all.

@YT *******************

your name calling. It shows your class

@Shea ******

shows one still can’t buy class… no matter how “rich” they’ve supposedly become. Rich people don’t go around saying “I’m rich” oh poor me….to random people on the internet. Weird I think!

@Shea ******

you're really that stupid?

Name 50 countries.

@YT *******************

she's right though.

@Us ****

his name is how to travel cheaper. Though a good goal, making it his persona just says a lot. As for stupid people paying to get things done...well....I suppose he would want to represent himself in court as well, I'm sure we all know the saying on that one.

@Shea ******

this guy is a poor mind. The fact is that if someone has money, they don't talk about it and always try to save. It's a trait of the rich. That's why they are rich. Only poor people say how rich they are and pay for something that doesn't have to be paid for.

@YT *******************

who is talking about money ? Who is stating their wealth, claiming to be rich ? We are just saying the true factual costs of an international school education. if you think a child has the same opportunity of success going to Thai school, compared with international school, then that shows a lack of education, intelligence, and common sense by yourself. then I'm sorry for your kids.

@Dan *******

everyone talking about money. Or nonsense. Thai kid can go to Thai school. This is simply and first of all, no one asking about education. Trolls everywhere.

@YT *******************

we are not talking about our money, so hardly trolling, as perhaps you are doing so now. So the gentleman OP is asking why the need for lawyers involvement when proving himself the father (as you need to do if you are not married to a thai). It is the OP's reply to a comment of "that is too much for me", that concerns people including myself, that if he doesn't have 20,000 baht for such a need, what will he do all through the child's early life, 16-18 years, each time there is a need for just 20,000 baht. What if serious illness or injury or accident to any of the family, causing himself or someone to be unable to work, and earn an income ? Certainly they won't be getting married then, could be a problem for some. But most importantly, is the child going to be raised in almost poverty. Just because a lot of the country lives in poverty, doesn't make it ok, and certainly not fair to chose to bring a child into this world. Toys, clothes, holidays - no chance. Education and healthcare. And how will that child end up at 20-30-40 years old. In the UK we laugh at how it is so much easier to have a child, than it is to adopt a pet dog. My own sister refused an adoption of a stray dog, yet has two children herself. Refused an adoption of a stray dog as not suitable, but she could go and conceive or give birth to a child the very next day without a question asked. Back to your point, you say "no-one asking about education" - does that mean everyone's concerns are not real, or don't matter ? This is now the point of serious concern, and far outweighs the original post of "do I really need a lawyer" which should say "I can't afford one, so do I need a lawyer to prove I'm the father". You then also say "thai kids can go to thai school" and yes of course they literally can, nobody said they can't. I think this has gone above your head, maybe due to the language. What the dude says is like, that there will be so many problems arising from a thai kid with farang parent, either at school, due to not speaking fluent thai, as much english is spoken at home, or problems at home and family life, mostly in communicating with the father, as they only speak little English. And let's not forget, the guys English is not very good. So they will learn English at home, from someone who speaks not the best English. What nationality are you ? Do you know any farang with kids in thai school.

Which do you think offers the best all round education ? Thai school or international school ?

And with many of the major benefits not being directly 'educational', the question should be "which offers a child the best opportunity in life, thai school or international school".

What would you want for yourself ?

What would you want for you child ?

Do you now get the point ?

I'd be concerned for myself if I didn't have 20k baht for any need, but to bring a child into the world knowing this, is quite wrong.

I don't need to insult you with petty, veiled and passive-aggresive insults. 👍

@Michael *******

I'll show you mine if you show me yours. I'm going to take a stab in the dark here, and say, you don't have 1 million in any bank. But I hope you do, for the sake of the child. And 20,000 baht Toys probably not the smartest move. Invested wisely that increase to cover the cost of car on their 18th birthday. Or toward a university education. They won't be complaining about a lack of cheap plastic kids toys as a baby. But I don't know you or what you do for income, or your earning potential, so maybe you've got it covered. But f#ck me, go easy on the hookers, or that 1 million will be gone in 12 months. You've got more hookers as friends than I'd know what to do with on a long weekend. Which one is your baby mother ? But if you succeed without a lawyer, and yes its worth asking the question, you could let us all know how you went about it, and all that is involved, your time, and any additional or hidden costs etc.

*I'm sure that's not your real name or facebook account anyway.

@Dan *******

you wrote a wall of nonsense text. I don't even want to read this gibberish. now show me where he wrote that he didn't have 20,000 baht. unless you're that stupid and can't tell the difference between I don't have it and I don't want it

@YT *******************

here it is, clearly states "too much for me..". If it is 'too much for him, then he doesn't have enough to spend on that, therefore he doesn't have it. You can only spend money once. Sounds like he has other needs requiring that money.

@Dan *******

yes too much for me isn't same I don't have. For me, for example, is too much 120thb for 100g of butter but that doesn't mean I don't have the money. I'll say it again, only poor people buy expensive things. Whoever has real money respects it.

@YT *******************

you can only spend money once. If you have 100 baht in the bank, you can't say or even think that you will buy 100 baht of apples, and 100 baht of bananas, and 100 of coconuts, because you can't afford it, you don't have it. You can't even say to a person that you will 100 baht of apples, then you say to a second person that you will buy 100 baht of bananas, and a third person you say you will buy 100 baht of coconuts. And then I say "but you can't afford it, you don't have it". Yes sure of course you have 100 baht, and you can even show me your bank balance that confirms it. But you can't pay person 2, and you can't pay person 3, and you can't show me 100 baht in your bank. Therefore you can't afford it, you don't have it.

If the OP has to pay rent each month for 12 months (or any other certain or fixed costs), he can't spend that money on something else, even though he has it in the bank.

Additionally, the more you want or need something, the less important the price.

And the more money you have, the less important the price of something that you want/need.

Personally, I might allow the equivalent of two full 8 hour days investigating and working on this to save 20,000 baht, but only if knowing that it is possible. And if its possible, at what costs. Beyond the 16 hours of effort, phonecalls, emails, googling research, visiting immigration office, translating etc. An alternative is to spend the full two days to discover you can't and you do need a lawyer, and you've spent and wasted two full days of your life to get nowhere, to get back to where you started.

But everyone values their own time differently. How about you ?

@Dan *******

I haven't seen a jug like u in a long time. leave the house, the Internet is not everything.

@YT *******************

you are absolutely right. I'm going out. Good luck to you. 😜

@Michael *******

and I'll write to you too. Only takes a few seconds - I got all the time in the world to try and maybe help someone.

But some can't see the forest for all the trees.

Others will never listen. Others will never learn.

@Dan *******

you know, unfortunately most of what you've written is actually correct. I've also observed much of the same and had similar experiences to understand where you're coming from.

But, the way you write paints a strange picture, it appears like you are disgusted with Thailand and it's people, you clearly look down on the less fortunate and you assume far too much about people you know nothing about.

You're obviously intelligent and have a good understanding about what you've shared, but you don't need to use that information to challenge the guy on his morals, ethics, values or intentions.

You stated you didn't insult him which is wild as it doesn't read that way, especially where you asked which prostitute on his fb page is his girlfriend...

@Chizel ******

don't feed the troll

@Michael *******

I'm not trolling, I can assure you. Just pointing out some facts and some opinion on matters that far outweighs the original post, that maybe you can't see for yourself right now. Maybe you'll read and learn something. Maybe in 5,10, 15 years you'll understand it.

Only a fool thinks he knows everything.

Now where is your proof of 1 million baht in a bank ? Show me One, and I'll show you 10. And proof that I'm qualified to offer facts and opinion.

It was 5 years of ducking and diving with visas, immigration, agents, visa runs, a 1 year ban (which I countered without a lawyer) before I bought the Elite Visa, and I wish I had done it sooner, even 5 years before, because I had the money, and I could afford it, then and now.

But crack on as you were, good luck 👍

@YT *******************

please take the time to read it, as I took the time to type it. And note the lack of petty insults from me. But carry on as you were, I was just offering my opinion, which others agree on.

@Dan *******

you know, for this extension of visa he need 0thb so I believe him that have 1mln. If this is very weird for you, it's simply, you're poor and don't understand why rich people don't want wasting money.

@Dan *******

no offence, but you aren't very smart. have a nice evening

@YT *******************

rich peoplr are busy spending their time on high quality activities that generate revenue. you out source take that take your time.

@Us ****

his child is Thai, so maybe not interested in an international school.

@Chizel ******

the OP not interested in international school ? Or the child themselves ? Do you have or know anyone with children in government school ?

@Chizel ******

you cannot put your child in regular Thai school. If you cannot afford the best western education, then I'd advise him to move to the west with his family. Remember, the average Thai salary is between 20-50k a month. If you don't send your child to the west for university then he/she will make that salary and you will be blamed.

@Nick *********

we only went to court 3wks ago, received the stamped case documents back last week, now awaiting case closed document.

Once that document arrives next week, our lawyer has advised we need to take those originals with the house book to the local Amphur to have it officially registered. The document the Amphur provides when you do this is the important document.

@Lennart *********

same for me, with German passports

@Michael *******

I had to pay 30.000 baht for my lawyer to get the thai child extension.

@Michael *******

You're right, I'm.sorry. It's £440

@Tim **********

he can do it himself without wasting money like losers.

@Nigel ********

i was not aware there was a separate page. Thanks for clarifying👍🏻

@Michael *******

you’re in the right place. Plenty of us have been through your experience. In Chiang Mai, where I went through it, I did not need a lawyer. I went with birth certificate, passport, baby and mum to the local court, to declare me as the father.

@Michael *******

for what reason do you have a non o already? that will tell if your stay is extendable...

@Michael *******

don't know, where your comment refers to...

@Michael *******

Yes, if you are over 50 and have the funds you can get a 12 month extension to your Non-O. For a marriage extension you obviously need to be married and for a Thai child extension, as stated above, named on the birth cetificate will not suffice

@Michael *******

If you are on a Non-O Visa as you stated and you meet the financial requirements (seasoned for 2 months 800k for 50+ or 400k for marriage) you will get a 12 month extension

@Steve ******

thanks for the clarification. Understood! . . . Name on birth certificate enough to obtain a 90-days Non-O visa AND the 60-days "family visit" extension. Only for the application of the "12-months extension of stay permit" he needs the court approval of fathership. NOTE TO SELF: Immigration calls the "stay permit extension" in their own bad English "visa extension". Technically, visa cannot be extended. Only stay permits get extended

@Graham *****

The 60 days extention IS available if your name is on the childs birth certificate even if you're not married or haven't been through the court process. It's only for the 1 year extention that you need to go through court.

@Steve ******

Thanks for the clarification

, , this and the 500K Baht was the only thing I got wrong. Sorry for that

. . .you could have easily found it all by yourself. But this text, too, is missing the part that the name on the birth certificate is not enough proof of being the legal father, for the one-year extension. Only for the visa itself, the birth certificate is enough. For the extension of stay permit you need the family (juvenile) court approval