What are my options for obtaining a visa in Thailand after being advised to apply for a marriage or family visitor visa?

Dec 3, 2018
6 years ago
Jason **********
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Yesterday, I flew to Phnom Penh & back to get another 30 days stamp, this time Iโ€™ve been here since September 4th, was told off by immigration officer ๐Ÿ‘ฎโ€โ™‚๏ธ who told me I must do the family visitor visa or marriage visa, luckily my girlfriend/babies mother was there waiting for me as the immigration officer wanted to speak with her on the phone ๐Ÿ“ฑ and see if pictures of her and my 2 babies to clarify... he said Iโ€™m an illegal tourist as each time I have come on tourist visas, (as itโ€™s been the easiest and cheapest way) so I said we will do the marriage visa this month, he said make sure you do otherwise next time I enter on a tourist visa he will ban me... ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ฑ so any advice with my options would be greatly appreciated... ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป
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The poster's advice discusses the immigration officer's warning to the individual regarding their visa status, which has become precarious due to frequent tourist visa entries. The community replies suggest various visa options, highlighting the need to apply for a marriage visa given his relationship status and the presence of children. Suggestions include applying for a marriage visa, a non-immigrant O visa based on being a father of Thai children, or obtaining a 60-day extension while legally sorting out his immigration status. The complexities of Thai immigration laws regarding parental rights and the necessity for address registration were emphasized.
Bert *******
Go to phnom penh and come back same day of course points out you just did this for visa reasons..

. Stay there and have a week cambodia holliday would probably made a big difference imo.
Douglas *******
Can some please translate what's on that poster? Looks like basic but v important information for travellers.
Robert *******
Here all the information in a video, in English and Thai.
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Robert *******
We explain those rules more than once daily on this page. And personally I would say, if you want to visit a country for a holiday or to live you can find much more information than just the flight and hotel on the internet. Prepare yourself, not only for the cheapest options to be in that country.
Robert *******
And even do not need to do this, because tourist who come here for short stays most of the time stay overnight in hotels and guesthouses. The few who want to stay at private addresses need to do a little more research. And no, it is not frustrating to answers questions. If it would be I go do something else.
Liam *****
I know it must be frustrating having to answer the same question over and over again. However, to be fair, if you look on most official travel advice pages for Thailand of most western countries' foreign ministries, there is no mention of reporting your residence to immigration. Nor is it mentioned in major travel guides that people are likely to read (wikitravel, Lonely Planet, etc). If the Thai government is serious about people doing reporting their residence, they're going to have to do a bit more to meet people half way. I would wager that high 90s per cent of the 25 million-odd tourists that visit this country have no idea they are supposed to do this...
Christopher *********
OK point made. But Thailand being a destination for millions (it's not Bhutan), and Thai not being a regional let alone a world language, it would be nice to be told about these requirements in a language understandable to at least some foreigners.
Ron *******
Strangely, i don't see notices written in Thai at Heathrow either.
Ron *******
@Jason *********
next time i meet with immigration i will suggest 195 posters in different languages to be displayed in all Thai airports.
Jason **********
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@Ron ******
However, most UK airports do display instructions/information in foreign languages for whatever it is that is important information for them.
Christopher *********
It's written in Thai. How is it useful for foreigners?
Christopher *********
The schools here are no different. English taught but most students have no idea what it is or why they have to sit through it.
Jason **********
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@Christopher ********
I agree โ˜๐Ÿปevery government worldwide ๐ŸŒ should be aware English is the most common language spoken and understood, if the Thai authorities are going to only display a poster which is for foreigners in Thai language then is says to me itโ€™s done on purpose for some reason or another. Most likely to be able to fine the foreigner!
Ron *******
At least people can't say they are not notified regarding the TM30 reporting at the airport any longer ๐Ÿ˜‰
Liam *****
@Ron ******
Not sure exactly what you're suggesting is going to happen between now and April 2019?

Anyway, I would imagine my status - that I work for a large international organisation, with a long term contract and appropriate visa and work permit - is unlikely to change unless I quit and leave of my own accord... ;)
Ron *******
@Liam ****
I'm not insulting you or anybody. I'm saying it how it is.

Imo, before April 2019, you will see exactly what your status is here.
Liam *****
@Ron ******
Well, in the spirit on not turning this page into Thai Visa or some other forum where people hurl arguments and insults at one another, I won't respond to that, but it won't surprise you to know that I don't agree ;)
Ron *******
@Liam ****
you expect every airport in the world to post in your language?

Get over yourself, your not that important. It's down to you too know the immigration rules before you turn up here.
Liam *****
@Ron ******
Well, 'they' (immigration) are the ones who want foreigners to report their address, so it's incumbent on them to communicate that in a language that people are able to understand. Can't expect literally every foreigner that visits to be fully literate in Thai, can we?
Ron *******
@Liam ****
its Thailand. Nobody cares if you read Thai or not.

It's your problem, not theirs.
Liam *****
They're not, if they only have signs in Thai ;)
Tod *********
Strange that they called him on the carpet for having too many visa exempt/tourist visa entries and yet they took a picture of the TM.30 poster for thais to report foreigners on his phone :O
Kimmi ******
What does that poster say ?
Jason **********
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@Kim ****
Though to clarify itโ€™s actually saying the Thai hotelier or Thai housemaster that the foreign person is staying with must register the foreigner within 24 hours of their arrival in Thailand ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ญ Not the actual foreign person, though I feel this poster should be displayed in English language as well, otherwise the hotel or Thai you are staying with gets fined upto 10.000 Baht and the foreigner 2.000 Baht if the online registration isnโ€™t completed in 24 hours of arrival.
Kimmi ******
@Tod ********
thanks Tod!
Tod *********
The poster says that it is the law for foreigners to register their address in thailand at the immigration office within 24 hours of them arriving in thailand.

It has NOTHING to do with the O/P and their visa entry history. :O
Christopher *********
That's a very friendly looking border agent.
Gregor **********
of course this includes saying, DON'T MIX up both situations - you are either a tourist on a tourist visa, or you are a person who seeks the dependent visa as a father of a child
Gregor **********
you are a tourist to any of the border officers as long as you do not out yourself as being the father of a Thai infant. It would be interesting to know if the previous officer logged this info about you into the system and you are the "father of a Thai child" now . . . "and cannot enter as a tourist any more" this sounds like BS, of course you can get a tourist visa outside of Thailand
Jason **********
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@Christopher ********
The Officer ๐Ÿ‘ฎโ€โ™‚๏ธ took a picture of this poster on my phone ๐Ÿ“ฑ to show to my girlfriend...
Tod *********
@Jason *********
, either get that 60 day extension at the immigration office OR go to the thai consulate in Vientiane or Lao and get a single entry tourist visa and enter the country by the Nong Khai land border

you won't have any problem getting in at that border crossing.
Jason **********
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Peter Frekkas Iโ€™m not entirely sure, also the required information is for the TM number on the arrival card, but they have taken the arrival card at the airport...
Tod *********
So let me see if I understand, did you have a valid tourist visa (from a thai consulate) in your passport when you entered this last time or were you entering on a 30 day visa exempt entry? There's a HUGE difference
Jason **********
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@Tod ********
I see now
Jason **********
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Tod *********
@Jason *********
, so the answer is NO you did NOT have a valid tourist visa in your passport when you flew in this time you instead flew in on a 30 day visa exempt entry and that's when you were told you needed to get a VISA
Jason **********
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@Tod ********
Yes 60 day tourist visa from the London Thai Embassy.
Jason **********
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@Tod ********
The 60 day tourist visa, I entered on September 4th, so it finished on November 2nd. Then I extended for another 30 days tourist at Changwattana for 1.900 Baht, that finished December 2nd, so to obtain another 30 days stamp I flew to Phnom Penh yesterday and straight back... itโ€™s the 3 time I done it, this way over the last 4 years, so it seems to be logged on their system.
Tod *********
Until you get legally married you can't get a marriage visa (or a yearly extension based on marriage to a thai) :/

AND

as your children were born out of wedlock you do NOT have parental rights granted so you can't use the children to get a yearly extension inside the country either :/

You could take the birth certificate, the thai house book listing and a copy of the thai i/d of the mother and go to the thai consulates in either VIentiane or Savannakhet Lao and get a single entry 90 day Non-Immigrant Type O visa based on being the father of half thai kids. Those consulates don't require any proof of funds (so no 400K baht in the bank) and you would get stamped in for 90 days when you come in on that visa. Then after that you could do another 60 day visit family extension.

Until you're legally married it's those choices OR a tourist visa.
Benjamin ******
@Tod ********
Ouch! Good to know :(
Tod *********
@Benj****
you are confusing parental rights in the country the father comes from with having parental rights in Thailand as the father of a half thai child by a thai woman he was not married to.

There's no wiggle room on the law, 100% of the parental rights go to the mother in these situations.
Jason **********
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@Benjamin *****
Iโ€™m British... ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง
Benjamin ******
I'm not sure about him not having parental rights being granted - IF he's a US Citizen. According to Section 309(a) a person is a US Citizen, if born out of wedlock to an American father, if the father can show blood evidence, US nationality, agrees to provide financial support, and gives an oath saying he is the child's father. See:

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I can't see the Thai government NOT granting parental rights if he does that.

Of course, if the OP's NOT a US citizen, then I suppose you're right on that.
Robert *******
Arrange the WP and the Non Immigrant B visa from the company you work for.
Tod *********
go get a 60 day extension based on raising children (as you're not married so you can't get it based on that).

It will buy you some time to figure out your options.
Jason **********
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He gave me another 30 days stamp until January 1st...
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