Ok. To clarify, I hope.... I have heard, from many business owners in Thailand, that it is more efficient to form a Thai company offshore, and that one may be obliged to leave the country for a period while this is in process. Three friends have used HK for this, and with good and speedy results. Disregard all the bits about my age. The so-called "retirement visa" is a non issue now. What is it you do here in Thailand?

But you did say... "Trying to pull in HK" ✌😉

Dude. Thanks again. I am not trying to be quarrelsome, and really do appreciate all you've said!

@T**

, sorry for the convoluted question, and I appreciate the input! The question was: Bother with getting the retirement visa, or just go with the new company and work permit with attendant visa. Again, sorry for any misunderstanding. I cannot work on a retirement visa, and know this. And by the way:

"Pull something" (on someone or in an official capacity)

Verb Phrase

To deceive or cheat; take advantage of; pull a fast one: "At first she thought I was trying to pull a slick scam on her." (1916+)

Definitely negative connitation. And I am an American citizen, as well!

@Rob***

, also, note that Brazilian nationals get the 90 days automatically. Reciprocity. But, since I am here 10 months out of every year, I am delighted to still be a tourist!

Also... why were some arrested and other merely hit with the 500 b fine?

Got it. But now I read that since last friday the 10-year ME visa is now available! Again, moot since 2nd Thai company is being formed. But as for what I am trying to "pull in HK"...

@T**

, the answer is the same thing fellow Brazilians have "pulled" now for 6 years.

Thanks for the plethora of info! I gather you are here for some time and not...มาใหม่ ✌

What rental agreement? I have condo in BKK and 2 Rai on Samui. This is really a bit off-course.

I am not trying to pick a fight.... that Term "Retirement Visa" came straight off Thai Immigration website, updated in 2017. It's a Thai Government term, not one coined by some newbie farang. Even here in Roi Et, the government uses it. But it's moot. We are headed to HK for 2 weeks. Will form the (new) Thai company there. The Samui land and condos are under the aegis of the 1st one. And I am a dual-national (with 2 passports, neither of which is from the UK) I DON'T need to show ANY income. Just cash assets in excess of $60,000 USD, which I have. So..... Again, straight from Thai Immigration

Eligibilities

The client must be at least 50 years of age or over during the time of the application.

The client must meet the financial requirement which could be any of the following:

Security deposit of 800,000 baht in a Thai bank; or

A monthly income or pension of 65,000 baht; or

A total of 800,000 baht combination of personal bank deposit and income or pension for the entire year.

Americans (and Brazilians) just need to put the cash on deposit in a Thai bank. No need for Embassy letter. But they DO want a letter from my local constabulary saying I am not a felon or on the run from the law in America!