Is it difficult to change from a METV to a work permit visa in Thailand while considering a retirement visa?

November 27, 2017
7 years ago
Dario **********
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I am here Roi Et and BKK on METV but am 50, and considering a retirement visa. I can meet all the requirements, but before going through all that hassle (been coming for years, and know it IS a hassle) I have been asked to work for a friend's Thai company, and wondering if it is difficult to change the visa for work permit purposes. Thanks!
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The user, currently on a METV in Thailand, is contemplating switching to a retirement visa while considering a job offer from a Thai company. They inquire about the difficulty of changing their visa to accommodate a work permit. Responses indicate that transitioning from a tourist visa to a Non-O visa followed by an extension for retirement is relatively straightforward. However, complications arise if they pursue a Non-B visa and work permit after obtaining a retirement-based extension. Overall, the conversation highlights the nuances of Thai visa requirements and the importance of careful planning for expats.
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Dario **********
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Very.
Robert ********
Good for you then!
Dario **********
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Love it.
Robert ********
Only if you like Hong Kong....
Jim *******
HK consulate must be an interesting visit..!
Joe ***********
I was thinking something to do with Boi but then?,
Joe ***********
"pull" is not a dispariging remark - it is just an American English slang usage for - getting or obtaining something
Dario **********
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Got it. But now I read that since last friday the 10-year ME visa is now available! Again, moot since 2nd Thai company is being formed. But as for what I am trying to "pull in HK"...
@T**
, the answer is the same thing fellow Brazilians have "pulled" now for 6 years.
Sean ********
Sorry Dario, in my attempt to add something to help the thread I've inadvertently helped create another discussion because Lopez Koa asked a question I assume was directed at me.
Dario **********
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I HAVE the wp, for christ's sake.
Sean ********
I got my first non b because I planned to setup a company. My funding was delayed so I had to get another one.... Unfortunately my funding is still delayed so I'm going to have to switch back to a tourist visa.
Jason ******
What are the benefits of getting approved for a Non B visa without a work permit? Because it will still be used like a Tourist Visa (giving you 90 days in Thailand). Now if you wanted to try to extend the Non B visa for 1 year, I'm sure Immigration in Thailand WILL require you to provide work permit in order for you to get approved for that. So with that said, if you don't have a work permit, wouldn't the Tourist Visa be better as it gives you the same amount of days and cheaper?
Dario **********
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Thank you,
@Se**
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Sean ********
@Tod ********
For the record the Thai consulate in Saigon will issue a single entry non B without needing proof of filing for a work permit. Last month I collected my second back to back non b there.
Dario **********
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Ok. To clarify, I hope.... I have heard, from many business owners in Thailand, that it is more efficient to form a Thai company offshore, and that one may be obliged to leave the country for a period while this is in process. Three friends have used HK for this, and with good and speedy results. Disregard all the bits about my age. The so-called "retirement visa" is a non issue now. What is it you do here in Thailand?
Tod *********
@Da***
, okay, for the last time, What type of visa are you tryin' to pull in HK <- meant what type of visa are you going to be applying for in Hong Kong,

In your story you spoke about Non-O's, Non-B's and the nonexistent retirement visa too.

I didn't know what you were wanting to get there OR why you were going to that particular consulate to begin with.
Dario **********
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But you did say... "Trying to pull in HK" ✌😉
Dario **********
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Dude. Thanks again. I am not trying to be quarrelsome, and really do appreciate all you've said!
Tod *********
Still it seems you will be better served by getting a 90 day Non-B and then an extension of stay based on employment..
Tod *********
@Da***
, well I'm a born, bred, corn-fed american and I told you I didn't mean it in a disparaging way. By "pull a visa" I meant it as "get a visa", "buy a visa".

Just so you know there is nothing in the labor laws that actually prohibits someone on an extension of stay based on being over 50 (retirement) from holding a work permit. I know probably 15-20 people around the country that are on "retirement" extensions and hold valid work permits. It's just that most labor offices won't issue them.
Dario **********
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@T**
, sorry for the convoluted question, and I appreciate the input! The question was: Bother with getting the retirement visa, or just go with the new company and work permit with attendant visa. Again, sorry for any misunderstanding. I cannot work on a retirement visa, and know this. And by the way:

"Pull something" (on someone or in an official capacity)

Verb Phrase

To deceive or cheat; take advantage of; pull a fast one: "At first she thought I was trying to pull a slick scam on her." (1916+)

Definitely negative connitation. And I am an American citizen, as well!
Tod *********
If you're going to get a single entry Non-B visa in Hong Kong they don't need proof you have filed for a work permit. They're one of the only consulates in S/E Asia that doesn't require it.
Tod *********
The 10 Year visa has been available since mid August I believe.

This is the most concise information I could find explaining it

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Tod *********
I meant no disrespect with my use of "pull" but I still got no idea what visa you're gonna apply for. Is it a single entry 90 day Non-O based on being over 50 or what?
Joe ***********
Dario - after reading your comments it seems you confuse what is posted as text narrative on a Thai Embassy website as to be a valid interpretation of Thai law and immigration police orders Re: retirement. Embassies and Consulates versus Thai Immigration are two different divisions of government and unfortunately what is sometimes posted on Thai Embassy website to be factually incorrect renderings of Thai Immigration police orders. Sad to say they are often just wrong
Tod *********
and this highlights the problem of people posting other questions in an existing thread rather than asking their question in their own post. :/
Joe ***********
Dario - some of my comments are meant for the lady on the thread who interjected questions in your thread. Thus the information about the lease.
Tod *********
Dario, I dunno what visa you're tryin' to pull in Hong Kong, but good luck.

You are confusing what is required to get a Non-O visa from a thai consulate (which are all run by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs) and the requirements to get a yearly extension of stay based on being over 50 at the thai immigration office inside the country because the immigration offices are run by a division of the Royal Thai Police.

That you hold dual nationality or are forming companies is meaningless as far as getting a visa from a consulate OR getting an extension of stay at the immigration office.

Everyone has the option of either using 800K banked in a thai bank account in their name only for the requisite seasoning period, OR using a letter from their consulate stating they get 65 K baht a month in income OR a combination of banked money and income that is 800K baht a year or more.

If you're using banked money to get the extension of stay inside the country, you'll need a letter from the bank and you'll need to update the bank book on the day you apply for the extension of stay (to show the money is still in the account) AND you'll need to have it seasoned the requisite amount of time in the account (60 days the first yearly extension and 3 months for subsequent extensions of stays).

Once again, I wish you good luck in what ever it is you're tryin' to do.
Joe ***********
If you go to a Non Imm O 90 day visa, then get an Extension of Stay (Over age 50 / Retirement) - it is not too difficult as has been said.

However, if later you decide to get a B Visa and Work Permit it complicates the issue. When Applying for a B Visa and WP from the status of Extension of Stay Retirement a person has to use the WP.3 Application process which requires the applicant to have to leave Thailand to complete it. Since the B Visa and WP are intertwined this time out of Thailand to process the WP.3 Application can mean 7 to 14 days out if Thailand.
Joe ***********
Also - I and others post generic answers with several different paths or options - so that the next person who reads it can apply it to their situation. These posts and comments are used by others who are scanning the pages or using Search. Thus when they find an item it would show for instance - must provide property ownership documents or lease - rental documents because a rule would allow one or the other
Joe ***********
Dario - I thought I posted that the lease agreement comment was meant for the lady who interjected a question on your thread
Tod *********
@Da***
, a newbie is called มือใหม่ (new hands) or a ไก่อ่อน (soft chicken) ;)
Dario **********
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Thanks for the plethora of info! I gather you are here for some time and not...มาใหม่ ✌
Dario **********
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What rental agreement? I have condo in BKK and 2 Rai on Samui. This is really a bit off-course.
Dario **********
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I am not trying to pick a fight.... that Term "Retirement Visa" came straight off Thai Immigration website, updated in 2017. It's a Thai Government term, not one coined by some newbie farang. Even here in Roi Et, the government uses it. But it's moot. We are headed to HK for 2 weeks. Will form the (new) Thai company there. The Samui land and condos are under the aegis of the 1st one. And I am a dual-national (with 2 passports, neither of which is from the UK) I DON'T need to show ANY income. Just cash assets in excess of $60,000 USD, which I have. So..... Again, straight from Thai Immigration

Eligibilities

The client must be at least 50 years of age or over during the time of the application.

The client must meet the financial requirement which could be any of the following:

Security deposit of 800,000 baht in a Thai bank; or

A monthly income or pension of 65,000 baht; or

A total of 800,000 baht combination of personal bank deposit and income or pension for the entire year.

Americans (and Brazilians) just need to put the cash on deposit in a Thai bank. No need for Embassy letter. But they DO want a letter from my local constabulary saying I am not a felon or on the run from the law in America!
Joe ***********
You have to make copies of every used page in your passport (make two sets even if not requested), original and copies of your home lease / rental agreement with copy of the landlords National ID and a copy of the Tambian Ban of the property, map to your house (Google map printout)...

Financial:

Cash in the Bank method - 800,000 Thai Baht in a Thai Bank aged for 60 days (first time applicant) with bank book updated day before submitting the application action (good to make a small deposit - then have the bank book updated), plus an official signed form Bank letter assuring that the bank account is really yours.

Or the Income Method. If you have any source or regular monthly income from outside Thailand... Then if it meets or exceed the equivalent 65,000 THB a month - you can used this as income proof. People from England can get a Embassy letter from the British Embassy attesting to this income. You have to show proof to your Embassy officer. With the Embassy letter of income verification you can just use this and no other proof of income to get the Non O Visa and later the one year Extension of Stay.
Tod *********
@Dario *********
The term retirement visa is misused by every Tom, Dick & Somchai foreigner and thai alike. There is no such visa as a retirement visa. There is a Non-O-A visa which is called a long stay that you get from your consulate before you wash up here and there is a Non-O <- O meaning other, issued because the person is over 50, and there is a yearly extension of stay issued because a person is over 50. No where in the thai version of the regulations (which is the ONLY version that counts) is the word retirement or retire used. In fact the real wording of the clause for yearly extensions of stays based on being over 50 say "in the instance of living out the end of your life" (กรณีใช้ชีวิตในบั้นปลาย). The only place the word retirement shows up is when they stamp that word on the extension of stay you get.
Joe ***********
Just go to the Immigration office in Cha am area. Or down load the Visa Application form from the Embassy website that you choose to use (Vientiane, Savannakhet, Penang. Etc.) Download the Visa App Form and fill it out.
Joe ***********
Dario my experience is different than yours. I find the mention of Retirement on web pages is outdated. The O-A used to list the word Retirement but that has been removed in many places. Retirement is not an official designation for a Visa status. But it matters little as the Non Immigrant O Visa with a one year extension amounts to the same thing. And - the same with the O-A visa
Joe ***********
Dario - you can get a Non Immigrant O Visa based on Marriage at any age
Joe ***********
There is different opinions on this 'easier' issue - it depends on a person's whereabouts and situation. But Yes - certainly if you are in Thailand already
Dario **********
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One last question.... Will marrying my Thai GF of 3 years, with whom I have kids, make it easier to get non-O?
Dario **********
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Also, we are using HK for the formation of Thai company this time. They are extraordinarily efficient and it's always fun to kill a day or three there!
Joe ***********
For the Non Immigrant O Visa goto a local immigration office in Thailand. Get a Visa application form and list of requirements. The Non Immigrant O Visa can be done in the Central office in Bkk or in places like Vientiane, Laos, or Penang, Malaysia and other nearby places
Dario **********
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It also is key to have the necessary funds on deposit in a Thai bank. I use Bangkok Bank, as they have a commercial banking branch in NYC, making wire transfers and linked accounts from my American business a breeze.
Dario **********
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JD... actually it's not a "nickname" at all. As per Thai Immigration (1st Paragraph only, but they call it that at immigration now):

Thai Retirement Visa

Thailand has over the years become a hot spot in Asia for retirement as the cost of living is low, crime levels are far lower than Europe or Spain and the weather is great most days of the year. Many people see Thailand as an excellent place for retirement. The Kingdom of Thailand has about 76 provinces which offer different attractions, cultures and experiences. It is for these reasons that many foreigners are drawn to retire in this country every year.

The application process for retirement visa in Thailand is pretty straightforward. Over the years, however, this has become a rather confusing subject to many due to the inconsistency in the immigration processes. Not only are the processes varying in the Thai Embassies and Consulates around the world but also with some rules in different immigration offices all across Thailand.
Joe ***********
Go to the website of the Thai Embassy in your Home Country - look under Visas. All the info for the O-A visa is there.
Joe ***********
Or Elaine in you Home Country apply for a Non Immigrant O-A Via (age 50 or over) with certain financial requirements
Joe ***********
Elaine "Retirement 'Visa'" is more of a nickname. But the pace to start is to get a Non Immigrant O Visa 90 days ... Then apply for a One Year Extension of Stay based on being age 50 or over.
Joe ***********
The Labor Ministry took 5 days to issue the Official Letter - then there was Mailing time. It was not the Agent is was more the Labor Ministry in Krabi having their rules. Any particular Provincial Labor Ministry Office could have the same time delaying policy. Unfortunately not all Labor Ministry offices act in the same more reasonable and efficient way as the one in Bkk
Tod *********
I think your case was special (or your agent didn't know what they were doing) :/

I've seen employers pull a WP3 from the DOL and get it to their employee in another country in just a couple days.
Dario **********
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Cheers, man. You confirm what I have heard. Work permit paperwork ready to go. Also, I will be the part owner of the (already extant) business.
Tod *********
You would need a Non-B visa and a work permit to work in thailand. No labor office I can think of will issue a work permit while you are on an extension of stay based on being over 50 (retirement).

It is not the hassle you think to go from a tourist visa to first a 90 day Non-O and then a yearly extension of stay. It just takes three trips to immigration's and meeting the requirements.
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