@Roberto ********

understand what your saying. But i believe the starting point is that you would owe tax on the 65k you bring in for the last 10 years, and you would have to prove with supporting documentation for those 10 years that you have already payed tax in your home country and there is a DTA in place so reducing or negating the tax obligation.

@Roberto ********

except its better to fill one in, as technically anyone who has stayed over 180 days is subject to a tax audit, and with a tax return this is limited to a 5 year period, where as its 10 years without one. (Not a new rule). Not that i've seen anyone mention being audited. But you also need 3 consecutive returns if you ever want to go down the permanent residence route. But yes 99% of retirees will never have looked into their tax obligations.

@Josh ********

you tell the government via the yearly tax return of all remitted monies, and you supply details of home country tax payments to reduce/negate any payments to Thailand tax office. This has always been the case, just that from now on you cant get tax credit for untaxed income earnt out of country post /2024.

No John, this is the original stating an implementation date of /24, on all monies brought in after that date. There was an amendment in November to say basically 'and earnt after /24, which removed the need for a rush to move money into country by /23.

@Ron ******

there was an amendment in Nov to basically ringfence monies earnt prior to 2024. So only monies earnt (abroad) after /24 are subject to new rule.

@Stuart **********

officially yes, but officially you have to wear a helmet on a motorbike. So if your a tax resident you are supposed to apply for a TIN at local tax office after your first remitence after you have reached 180 days, and then file a tax return by the following March 29th. This has always been the case and hasnt changed. However 99% of expats never bother, and from what i have read, most tax offices have histoically said don't bother as the DTA's and old loophole usually meant there was no Thai tax to pay, and its just extra work for them with no gain. I can't see this changing, but if you do do a tax return and detail your remitance, you have to include a copy of your uk tax return or P60 i believe to prove tax paid.

Thailand has never been a Tax Free country for expats as such, the vast majority don't pay tax in Thailand as they probably pay tax in their original country and there is a DTA in place to cover that. Its not a new tax law for expats, although they make up a large percentage of those bringing income from overseas. The change is to the tax return allowing persons to exclude income if it wasn't earned in the tax year it was remitted. Your 3 scenarios seem to be correct from my understanding, although if you have payed UK tax on that income (usually done at source) there is no tax to pay in the first scenario under the DTA at the end of the year. There are several exemptions allowed on top of the initial tax free allowance that can also be used for any untaxed uk income being remitted. So, yes in worse case scenario you remiited 400k (untaxed in uk) into Thailand without any other exemptions being considered you would be liable to tax on the 250k at incrementing tax rates starting at 5%. The tax due would probably be less than the expense of trying to stay in any individual country less than 180 days.

@Geoff *******

sorry, misunderstood, it came across that you'd only ever done one TM30, which if you arrived in 2009 is when the first one should have been done. But regardless, the TM30 system has been replaced/upgraded, and the expectation is all effected residencies that have foreign residents/owners register on the new system to gaurentee data exists in the new system, your one of the many examples where the transfer didn't happen correctly. (Cant say for certain they transfered any data). But its pretty simple to register online, make up a name for your residence, fill in the address, upload a copy of the housebook. Then add your details against arrival date of today, leave departure blank, confirm its ok and print off the pdf. Then photocopy the pdf for future use when needed.

@Geoff *******

the new system is linked to tm30 info and the key that joins them is passport number. So yes you have to have both using the same number. Technically should have done a new one back when you updated your passport years ago. In the old system there was no link and the tm30 was rarely checked. So yes a new one is required, you can register on line if you have the housebook, otherwise you can get the owner to register, complete the form and print off the pdf to keep.

Why would they even consider it? The income from tourist visa purchase and extensions must be more than adequate to employ and pay the staff that deal with them. Without the income the staff would be redundant. Countries that have better terms, give better terms to Thai citizens, can't see that happening with the 3 you mentioned.