What are the implications of not filing a TM30 within 24 hours of arrival in Thailand?

Nov 11, 2024
10 days ago
Rolf *********
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Being dragged of to immigration right now. They said I haven’t provided proof of residency within 24h after arrival to Thailand. Even though I did at airport and at the hotel I stayed in initially and paid for it at both places. Now they say I must pay a fine of 2000-10000b .

Is this correct? Please advise
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TLDR : Answer Summary
A user has faced a fine from Thai immigration for allegedly not providing proof of residence within 24 hours after arrival, despite having done so at the airport and hotel. The fine can range from 2,000 to 10,000 baht. Community members clarified that the TM30 form, which must be filed by the property owner or hotel within 24 hours of a foreigner's arrival, is crucial. If the property owner fails to file this, the foreigner could face consequences. Solutions discussed include obtaining proof of registration from the hotel or condo management, paying fines if necessary, and emphasizing that the responsibility typically lies with the property owner rather than the foreigner.
Tom **********
The TM30 is a form required by Thailand’s Immigration Bureau as part of its tracking of foreign nationals’ movements within the country. It’s essentially a system for reporting a foreigner’s location to local immigration offices, mainly to monitor and manage the stay of expats, tourists, and other visitors. Here’s how it works and why it matters:

Key Points of the TM30

1. Who Files the TM30? Usually, property owners, landlords, or hotel managers are responsible for filing the TM30 on behalf of the foreign national staying at their property. However, expats who own their own residence or have a lease without a proactive landlord often find themselves handling this obligation.

2. When Is It Filed? Every time a foreign national changes their location in Thailand — even temporarily, like staying in a new province — a TM30 must be submitted within 24 hours. This includes coming back from trips abroad or relocating within the country.

3. How to File the TM30? It can be filed in person at the nearest immigration office, by mail, or, in some cases, online through Thailand’s immigration website (although the online system has had reliability issues). A copy of the TM30 receipt is often needed for other immigration services, like visa extensions and re-entry permits.

4. Consequences of Not Filing: If a TM30 report isn’t filed, penalties can be issued to the responsible party (typically the property owner). In practice, foreigners may face issues with renewing visas, securing work permits, or other immigration-related tasks if their TM30 isn’t in order.

5. Purpose of the TM30: The form helps Thai authorities monitor the locations of foreigners in the country, which they argue enhances security and ensures compliance with immigration rules.

If you’re an expat in Thailand, it’s good to know how TM30 reporting affects your living situation, especially if you travel frequently.
Terry ************
I stay at my GF house when I arrive . Register TM30 online . Done it a few times . Her house details are already in the system now so I just log in and renew when I arrive in Thailand.
Matthew ********
Tell the Thai IO to try checking the Hotel first lol
Brenda *********
Does the TM30 apply for staying at family place for 60 days?
Did *****
@Brenda ********
Lawfully, If you stay even 1 night at a family place , your family should do the TM30 yes. If you don't need immigration service, then up to you I guess.

But the rule is that any hotel, or head of household is required to do a TM30 for any foreigner residing at their place within 24h
Rolf *********
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@Brenda ********
if you will use your return ticket within the 60 days you won’t be fined. It’s only if you extend or apply for a new visa. But I recommend that you file the tm30 anyway to have your back cleared.
Brenda *********
@Rolf ********
ok great! Thanks
Kevin *********
Strange story.

Makes no sense.
Rolf *********
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@Kevin ********
makes perfect sense if you can read and comprehend. 🙏
Mitchell *******
How long have you been in Thailand before they "dragged you off"? Just curious.

Each place should be registering you. If you "disappear" for a bit, they will start looking for you.
Rolf *********
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@Mitchell ******
I left Thailand in beginning of 2021 and just came back October 7th this year. So about a month.

I have no plan to disappear anywhere, I just stayed at a hotel for the first couple of days until I got a condo to rent.
Rolf *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
It’s a messy trail to follow because some updates comes as replies to different comments.
Mitchell *******
@Rolf ********
ok. Just trying to follow the trail here.
Mitchell *******
When is your departure flight?
Rolf *********
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@Mitchell ******
it is December 6th, but my intention was to get a student visa or other long term visa before that. And now I got a 30 day extension and before it ends I will have my student visa so it’s all been sorted out.
Bent *************
You are not supposed to fill in that form!
Vee ********
Me looking at all this like 👀👀 Wow! 😮 😂
Deborah *******
The property owner gets fined
Dennis **********
@Deborah ******
what if the property owner is your wife and she does not work.
Rolf *********
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@Deborah ******
the property owner did not get fined, I got fined but it’s been solved
Metta *******
Thai immigration laws are sooo confusing
Oliver ********
It's inconceivable that the authorities detained you over such a minor matter, which begs the question, who did the dragging? Regardless, the solution is obvious and easy - pay the fine and it's done. It surely wasn't even necessary to come here to figure that out, but now you're here, please explain more about this bizarre story.
Rolf *********
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@Oliver *******
it was resolved many hours ago and accounted for step by step in these threads. The reason I asked here is that I never heard of the 24h rule before and wanted to get advice on that, but on arrival to immigration I saw that it was legitimate. 🙏
George *******
Lots of *I'll*hi* misleading comments as usual on FB. 🤔
Arvind *******
Best thing to do is everyone should stop going to Thailand.

Boycott Thailand!

There are many other places on this planet.
Rolf *********
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@Arvind ******
If I didn’t wanna be here I wouldn’t. For me there’s no place else I rather be, I love Thailand with or without its flaws. I’m far from perfect myself 🙃
Kenny *****
Previously, I have had my tm30 filed by owner 3-7 days after I arrived. I forgot how many day but it was for sure after 24hrs of my arrival. Went to apply for an extension a week later and I was fine. However you are supposed to have your tm30 filed within 24hrs of arrival but I feel that in Thailand lots of things are situational and the immigration officer you get. Some are nice and some are not.
David *******
It is the landlords responsibility they should pay the fine. Good luck immigration follow their own rules
Did *****
@David ******
but TIT, someone has to pay 😁 he was probably just scammed by the guy from the condo office... Paying him 800 says a lot. The fine being 1600b and not 1300b, I'm pretty sure something is fishy
Rolf *********
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@Did ****
of course the guy from the condo set this in motion to get his 800b + favourable treatment from immigration. But I rather pay and smile and learn from this than to make it worse for pocket change.
Did *****
@Rolf ********
And now you know the immigration place. Take the 800thb as an expensive guided tour 😁
Rolf *********
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@Did ****
exactly what I’ll do. Lesson learned and education has no price.

Next time I will try again and fail better 😂🙏
Keith *********
This gets very confusing. When I return to Thailand from another country do I have to complete a TM30? I live with my Thai wife in a rental property in her name.
Did *****
@Keith ********
Yes. Every time you enter the country (unless multiple entry visa, reentry permit)

At each place you stay. If you go for example for a weekend to Pattaya, when coming back to your wife's rental property you should file a new TM30 again. You can do it within a few minutes online. My advice would be to ask your wife to register online on behalf of her landlord if he's ok. TM30's will be necessary for many dealings with immigration such as extensions or certificate of residence.
Gino ************
Just pay
Khaled ************
It's only $58 !!!!
Garrett ***********
@Kha***
So send him the money if you're such a bigshot
Rolf *********
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why would I need any money? It was cleared more than 1h ago 😂
Max **********
Last year I stayed in the old city I asked for TM 30 it took 3 days to provide it and consequently the hotel was fined $
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bht.
Leo *******
Something fishy going on there
Rolf *********
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Just got done here. Paid 1300b fine, 800b for the guy dragged me here, and then 1900b for a 30 day extension. Totally 4000b, I’m ok with it.
Did *****
@Rolf ********
if you didn't get a receipt for the fine from immigration (which should have been 1600b ?) then you were scammed
Rolf *********
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@Did ****
of course I was scammed, the receipt is for 1300b. But I have my approved residential certificate in my hand now and can proceed with changing my visa to a student visa or other. Still worth it cause a lesson was learned. Education has no price 😂
Did *****
@Rolf ********
Well if you got a receipt from IO for the 1300b, then the fine was no scam 👍🏻
Rolf *********
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@Did ****
but the 800b for the guy that brought me there was. But I’ve given more to beggars in the streets so it’s all good
George *********
No dog in this fight, but I always pay the fines wherever I am. Sad but money makes the world go around.
Elías ********
BTW, is there a way in which one can check whether a TM has been register under one's name and passport?
Brandon ************
@Elías *******
you ask whoever was supposed to do it for a copy
Nick ************
@Elías *******
on line within 7 days of filing.
Rok ********
Just pay 1600 baht and get on with your life (and visa extension); a lesson learned for the future.
Colin ********
Never overstay as they will fine you not worth the hassle go to immigration if you want an extension
Jacob ********
What immigration office is this? The hotel is responsible for providing the information NOT YOU. Something is not right here.
Rolf *********
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@Jacob *******
I’m not gonna fight them on this. I pay and go. Next time I won’t make the same mistake.
Jacob ********
@Rolf ********
It was never your mistake. The only mistake you made was the location. But even in Nakhon Nowhere being able to speak Thai I was still forced to pay a bribe for no good reason. The only reason I allowed it to happen was lack of time to argue and my family. Otherwise I would not have hesitated to just walk away and apply elsewhere. More than once I had them play a stunt at a certain border. A warning for everyone double and triple check your visa stamp when entering. Sad they are still doing the same B.S.
Nick ************
I did not do tm30 for the first 5 months in Thailand. Nor did I do 90 day report. I knew nothing about them. On going to immigration I just got a ticking off and they did both for me. The IO must have been in a god mood.
Samuel ********
Welcome to Thailand, where if someone local neglects their responsibility, it often becomes your problem.

I personally haven’t had any issues with this. My immigration office is pretty relaxed. As long as I have the correct visa and submit my TM47 form, they don’t seem to mind much about anything else.
Chris *******
This story lacks Information.

I don't believe he is being "hauled"

Away by immigration but rather somebody for the building taking him to get his TM30 registered at immigration.

Possibly warning him of potential fines.

An agent likely, who will charge him for their service.

Kinda scammy it sounds.

In my experience he will not get fined or possibly an 800-1600b at worst.

But lets see how it plays out.
Brook ********
@Chris ******
yea. Sort of a hit and run troll post.

Devoid of details or substantive follow up by
@Rolf ********
Rolf *********
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@Brook *******
open your eyes. I updated as it went a long. And really lied with the solution of the drama already. How long have you been trolling for your ogre?
Henry *********
Dragged off by who?
Will ******
It's completely the hotels responsibility to register you and they get fined, not you. Sounds like a set up. there are lots of scams atm with fake police etc.
Will ******
@Rolf ********
sorry to hear this. Pisses me off tbh. Sick of us being money targets and these exploitative rules
Rolf *********
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@Will *****
everything checked out so far. I’m at immigration and it’s correct. Only thing might be how much that guy that brought me here is making from this because he’s not spending 3-4h in immigration with a stranger for free.
Rolf *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
I gave them a wai and my best behaviour and it was cleared in 3 min, except for the waiting time in cew + travel time (3h).
Greg ***********
@Rolf ********
and since you will need a rental contract in order to apply for the "change of visa type" from a tourist visa or exempt-entry to an initial 90-days Non-Imm-ED visa, you are perfectly set up with this rental contract and a properly registered TM30
Greg ***********
@Rolf ********
so everything is fine. That guy who accompanied you to Immigration would be the housing agent, working either for the condo management or for your landlord who owns your apartment. He obviously took you to Immigration in order to register you TM30 - I guess HE is holding the condo documents which make him elegible to apply. The mentioning of the 2000-10.000 TH fine was just a warning of what would happen if you don't follow him to Immigration 🙂 🙂 🙂 everything is fine, stay calm and behave politely
Andy ******
@Rolf ********
a guy brought you there ,and you don't know him ,he must be scamming you or you asked him to go with you from an agency or what ? Sounds dodgy ,go to the police if it's not right
Kim *********
@Duncanc *********
. the hotels don't get fined
Jasper *****************
Please keep us updated. I'm due to arrive within the next few weeks ..
Vincent ***************
Here in Jomtien immigration , they give you up to one week to register the address then the fine is 1600 baht. You can register online your address when you arrive in Thailand, you only need to go to immigration to get a TM30 for an extension and that's how you could get fined. If they ask you so much money , just do a border run(60 days) instead of an extension(30 days).

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Martin *********
When you checked in at your hotel , you gave them your passport , correct ? . They then register you .. it’s their responsibility.. and how did immigration contact you anyway ?
Max ********
@Martin ********
I have stayed in two resorts this year that did not want my passport when my wife offered it to them and in 2023 we stayed in a hotel that would not take my passport.As long as you get a TM30 from someone before you go to immigration then that is fine.I came to Thailand for 13yrs. before I even new what TM30 was and that was only because I went for an extension.
Elías ********
@Martin ********
He visited Immigration, in order to apply for an ED visa.
Rolf *********
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@Elías *******
it’s been cleared now
Martin *********
@Elías *******
ok ,I just noted that he said he got ‘dragged off’ ‘to immigration..
Elías ********
@Martin ********
correction: he was "dragged" by a guy from his condo after signing a 1 year lease (latter comments).
Cliff *********
This is certainly an unnerving situation.

Please keep us updated.

Why would immigration even look for you?
Rolf *********
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@Cliff ********
tm30 was not filed properly they say.

If I want to go home on my return ticket I don’t have to pay a fine they say, but my intention is to get a student visa before my tourist visa expires and that’s why I might have to pay a fine. However it’s up to the immigration officers mood if there will be a fine or not.
Greg ***********
@Rolf ********
you said the condo management dragged you to Immigration? You said you signed a 1-year rental contract for a condo. So WHY did the owner of the condo not register you by TM30 when you moved in? Did you already move in or are you staying at a hotel?
Rolf *********
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@Greg **********
lived here for a month already and paid for them to register tm30 at airport, hotel and this condo. But still nothing been registered so I had to do it again in person. But now it’s done at least.
Jacob ********
@Rolf ********
not filed properly where and by who?
Rolf *********
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@Jacob *******
by all 3 places I mentioned in previous comments. They neglected to do it. So now it became my problem.
Greg ***********
@Rolf ********
okay. However there is no TM30 registration at the airport. They have nothing to do with it. Not possible. Whoever told you this is a liar
Rolf *********
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@Greg **********
probably. But I learned a lot today and as I said previously: education has no price 😁
Ken ********
Xjwhudkwhry ********
Sounds like they need money to buy lanterns...it's on the hotel, not you, don't go there, go to some hostel rent a bed and make sure they've registered you.
Jeff ********
No matter what country you are in

"You can't fight city hall"

Pay and move on
Rolf *********
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@Jeff *******
fighting this was never on my mind. Just wanted to know if it was a legitimate fine.
Martin *****
It's 1600 baht fine for late TM30.

Go to hotel to sort it out
Matthew *************
What is the purpose of your visit to Immigration?
Duncanc **********
@Matthew ************
sounds like he’s detained
Elías ********
@Duncanc *********
sounds like he was detained after he visited Immigration for a not specified reason (maybe an extension?).
Duncanc **********
@Elías *******
“dragged off to immigration” implies that he didn’t go there willingly.

But who knows? 🤷‍♂️

Maybe he’ll share the story once he’s resolved his problem (my guess is lifted from an undeclared AirBnB)
Elías ********
@Duncanc *********
Sure it does mean that. But, on later comments, he wrote something like that he visited Immigration in order to exchange a tourist visa to an ED visa. I don't know yet the full story, let's wait and see.
Kev **********
Yes that fine amount is correct I was told

This before they didn’t actually fine me tho I suppose she was having a good day 🤣🤣 now I go within 24 hours unless it’s a weekend
Thomas ********
@Kev *********
I have been caught out like that myself a few times in the distant past. Now I normally do it myself and even that's no guarantee. If I let anyone else do it I make sure I get a copy.
Rolf *********
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@Kev *********
thanks, let’s hope my officer have a good day today too
Kev **********
@Rolf ********
you might be ok but if not u might have to pay the 2k
Kevin **********
This begs the question....how did they find you?
Elías ********
@Kevin *********
I was wondering the same. I bet the OP visited Immigration to get an extension or for any other reason. It's not like Immigration is looking for people.
Rolf *********
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@Elías *******
it was the guy that registers every foreigner in the condo building I just signed a 1 year contract in that reacted to my tourist visa that dragged me to immigration because my intention is to not use my return ticket and apply for a student visa.
Kevin **********
@Rolf ********
A rookie mistake unfortunately...you should have grabbed an airbnb until obtaining the student visa.
Rolf *********
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@Kevin *********
we live and we learn. 🤔

Then we try again and fail better. 😂
Tiffany *********
@Rolf ********
what is the name of the condo you are staying at?
Adam ********
@Rolf ********
nice one mate

I love this attitude towards life

All the best mate 🙏🏻❤️‍🩹
Kevin **********
@Rolf ********
I rent out an airbnb in Bangkok and would be reluctant to give a 1 year contract to anyone on a tourist visa cos the chance of them simply being refused then disappearing is high.

Its not illegal to do that though so your condo guy sounds like a prick.
Richard ******
The guy in your condo sounds like a massive prick, I hope you can get this sorted and when you do, politely let him know that you've sorted your issue no thanks to him and give him a huge smile.
Rolf *********
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@Richard *****
He’s actually still with me on the way back to the condo now, and he has seen nothing but smiles and compliance from me thru this bs.

If this happened in my home country he would be wearing a full body cast in a ICU. But TiT and I am a guest here so I will practice my enormous patience and walk it off…
Richard ******
@Rolf ********
I know exactly what you mean and I have had to endure many incidents such as these. Hope you got everything sorted. He will get his gam(karma). Sad little man!
Rolf *********
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@Richard *****
it’s all been sorted out and I actually came out stronger than I went in. I have my authorised and approved residency certificate now + extension and all documents needed to get a student visa.

This is my life story, even when I loose I win and get out on top…
Richard ******
@Rolf ********
Great result.
Rolf *********
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@Richard *****
TiT anything can happen here, but I always land on my feet 🙏
Sel *****
@Rolf ********
sounds more like he gets his part from an immigration officer if he is reporting people
Rolf *********
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@Sel ****
exactly
Richard ******
@Kevin *********
He sounds like a massive prick. No need for it.
Manfred **********
Boeing? Immigration? Tight?

Whaaaaat?

And how did you "pay" for "proof of residency" upon arrival?
Antony *******
@Manfred *********
I believe paying in advance for housing is what was meant and having a receipt.
Rolf *********
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@Manfred *********
being, right
Phil ******
@Rolf ********
head back to the hotel and ask them for the TM30 receipt. Then go back to immigration
Brandon **********
Wait it out!
Duncanc **********
@Brandon *********
6 months later
Brandon **********
@Duncanc *********
that’s exactly what they want you to think
Duncanc **********
@Brandon *********
ahhhhh yes … when in reality you have rights!

🫣
Michael ********
Jeff ********
I’m relocating to BKK in Feb and I’ll be sure to remind the landlord of this. So although I’m sorry for this guy’s inconvenience, I am glad he posted here.
Tree *******
@Jeff *******
We attempted a couple times to ask our landlord to file the TM30. She didn’t. It was about a month after we moved in that we ended up filing it. We did use our visa agent to do it because we didn’t want to take the risk of getting fined trying to do it ourselves, which seems very likely we would have had to pay.
Jason *****
@Michael *******
Wow is this new? Don't recall this in 2011.
Dianne *****
@Jason ****
been in place since 1979, but started to be routinely enforced in 2017
Jason *****
@Dianne ****
Oh ok that makes sense, thanks everyone!
Rob **********
@Jason ****
no it actually comes under section 38 off the Thai immigration Act of 1979
Michael ********
@Jason ****
if you look its been in place since 1979 you probably didnt notice last time. But if thats enough to put you off so be it.
Michael ********
@Jason ****
thats 13 years ago 555
Jason *****
Oh man, seems like they don't want people there as much as they used to. I'm thinking of taking education/university gigs there next year.
Michael ********
@Jason ****
if they didnt want people here why would they introduce the DTV visa
John **********
@Mic****
DTV Visa....What does DTV stands for or represents please
Michael ********
@John *********
destination tourist visa its for five years one of main topics in this group
Paul ********
@Michael *******
No, DTV stands for Destination Thailand Visa but it is a tourist visa. Hence the difficulty opening bank accounts without an agent's help.
John **********
@Mic****
my understanding Tourist Visa but not Destination Tourist Visa.

Aren't they the same? As only previously place on entry card ~ Residential address whilst in Thailand. Later the TM30 requirement.
Pete *******
The TM30 is not your responsibility to file, it is the hotel or home owner. They are the ones who get fined, not you.
Ryan ****
@Pete ******
joker, try telling that to IO
Dawn **********
@Pete ******
while this may be true, immigration holds any further transactions hostage until it is paid.
Brandon ************
@Pete ******
the one who gets fined is the one standing in front of the immigration officer. And that's not going to be your landlord.
Bob **********
Dave *******
@Bob *********
so tell me how on earth do you no if they have filled tm30 then . 🤔not your responsibility. It’s the owner hotel etc fact
Zac ********
@Brandon ***********
as a resort owner I can state 100% that immigration do fine resorts for not doing the TM30's as it happened to us 6 years ago.
Bob **********
@Pete ******
not true
Jo **********
Bob **********
@Jo *********
if your landlord isn’t with you at immigration who’s going to pay? You are
Barry ********
@Bob *********
happened to me went to Imergration said to me a 2000bht fine I went to pay he said not you the owner of the condo has to pay because it is there job to register the owner paid and try to get back of my deposit I told him I’ll go to Imergration and ask he declined 
Bob **********
Bob **********
@Barry *******
good luck with that
Barry ********
Brandon ************
Airport has nothing to do with it.

If they mentioned 24 hours then that's TM30. It must be filed within 24 hours of arrival at any address. The property owner is required to do it but if they don't then it's you that gets into trouble.
Tom *******
@Brandon ***********
does that include arriving back on a re-entry permit on my non-o retirement extension? I have been at same address for 11 months and will go back to same address after short trip to US.
Brandon ************
@Tom ******
almost every immigration office requires a new TM30 if you leave Thailand.
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