What are the responsibilities for filing TM30 forms when an expat returns to Thailand?

Mar 26, 2018
7 years ago
Bill *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
I was fined 1600 baht today while doing the paperwork for my medical visa extension. It was when I was filling out the T30 form. His english was very poor and I couldn't understand but he said something about my address and registration. He said the last time I made a border run I needed to come and tell immigration in person when I reported back. I asked my landlord and she confirmed that I was already registered at the room by her. Any ideas?
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The discussion revolves around the responsibilities associated with the TM30 form in Thailand, particularly after a foreigner leaves and returns to the country. The expat faced a fine of 1600 baht for not complying with this requirement. Comments clarify that while it is primarily the landlord's responsibility to report a foreigner's presence to immigration, many immigration offices have been imposing fines on the tenants for this oversight. The confusion regarding responsibilities when leaving and returning, especially concerning who should report, is evident among the participants, highlighting the challenges expats face regarding visa regulations.
Leonie *********
My understanding is that you must inform your landlord that you are leaving the country. The landlord must do their report on your return to Thailand and you must also report your return directly to immigration within 24 hours.
Leonie *********
@Tod ********
my landlord requests that I tell them if I'm leaving the country. I don't know why 😊
Tony ********
@Tod ********
lol! why am I not surprised. they actually should be fining the alien for no tm28
Tod *********
@Tony *******
, the offices that are hard core on this are mostly fining the foreigners. :/
Tony ********
@Tod ********
i thought they were supposed to fine the landlord
Tod *********
nobody reports that you're leaving the country :/ The exit stamp is proof you left.

The TM.30 is only for when you come back into the country and many many people have been fined because their landlord didn't file the form.
Dianne *****
perfecthomes.co.th/tm030-registration-thailand/
Dianne *****
Including an explanation in Thai to show your landlord
Michael ********
It is 'supposed ' to be the owner of the property of the Landlord. However if they decide to fine you as the tennant then there is not much you can do about it. If the condo or house where you live has an office or the Landlord has a registered business they can submit the TM30 online for you. If not then the duty really falls on you as the alien to make sure you are registered. If the Owner of the property is out of the country then just go and register yourself to avoid a fine.
Al *******
In the case of leaving the country, the issue is simple. Visit your immigration office within 24 hours of reentering Thailand. What often happens, is that when you leave the country your 90 day report date count begins once again, and when you show up for that next 90 day report, that is where they will see the problem and you could face a fine. If you are flying out of the country before the next 90 report is due, it is not a problem. This is only an issue with your local immigration office. The airports don’t care.
Sean *************
Agree. In Phuket, a few years ago, you couldn’t do anything until you registered your address. But, this was before this ‘after every entry’ bunk.

My sense is that if it really was legit, they’d have to be charging Thais too. But, I’d never press the point.

When it comes to immigration visits, my sentiment has always been ‘Better you than me’. I just want to get done and get out.
Al *******
@Sean ************
they seem to go where the money is. A couple of years back they would not complete my 90 day report until I had fixed the issue. Brought my sister-in-law in, who’s name is on the house, and got the problem fixed with no fine. Still a bit of a hassle.
Sean *************
Agreed, but nowhere is it the alien’s responsibility. It’s the rental operator.

Now, if they were fining Thai and alien landlords, and extended it to the visitor in some cases, I could accept that. But, they aren’t. I think it’s an illegal money grab.
Stephen *******
Depends where you are. In Hua Hin they don't care. I just renewed my retirement extension and asked about updating my TM30 and she said if I'm still staying at the same place, no need to report. I'd only been back a few weeks.
Tod *********
OFF TOPIC: :O
@Bi**
, just curious how many days did they give you on the medical extension of stay?
Bill *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
60 which is what I asked for
Andrew ********
So to add a little more confusion. If the condo does this online, what evidence do you get or have if there are problems further down the line?
Andrew ********
Not sure that will help. The school wants verification it has been done. I might have to go in to immigration
Tod *********
They don't give you a receipt but you can do a print screen of the page that shows it was successfully submitted.
Ken *********
Chalk this one up to TIT.
Tod *********
Okay, let me see if I can shed some light on the TM.30 for <- that's the one with the oh-so long name of Notification From For House-Master, Owner Or The Possessor Of The Residence Where Alien Has Stayed :P

While in theory it is the land lords responsibility, many immigration offices are fining foreigners for failing to have filed a TM.30 because of the way the form is written. Their take on it is ONCE you rent a property you become the possessor of it and are responsible for filing the form.

At least the immigration office in Samut Prakan is at least calling the land lords of foreigner they fine for failure to file and telling them they owe the tenant the 1600baht.

I have seen people who used the same immigration office for 10 years for extensions, 90 day reports, etc get fined once that office started requiring TM.30 filing.
Lance *********
It gets more confusing by the day
Jess *********
I was told by an officer when I was fined that it was to be paid by my landlord. She spoke with her on the phone and wrote the receipt in her name
Robert *******
Just use Google: Section 37 and 38 of the Thai Immigration Act. You can learn something, but for sure lots more than all these comments here.
MK *******
If I'm staying in a private home, and the owners are away, what's my responsibility and the owners? Sorry for the hijack.
Sarah ****************
Only when you move in initially. After that its all on you unless you have an agreement
MK *******
Too many hoops.
MK *******
It's not a rental situation, but I'm assuming the responsibility remains with the homeowner.
Sarah ****************
I heard that you should also report if you just go away for a long weekend for example. If you stay in a hotel the hotel reports that you are there so when you return you should report as back at your address
Sarah ****************
Even if address is the same you have to report that you are back at that address
Sarah ****************
It is only the landlords responsibility when you move in. My landlord didn't know this at the time and when I did a visa extension I had to cover the fine as he was away. If you leave the country and come back it is up to you to report I think. They can. I'm leaving at some point and my landlord said he will report for me as I'll be jetlagged but it is my responsibility then not his.
MK *******
Thanks, Sarah Jane Waddicor. So, the owner is responsible for telling them when I arrive. What if they are already away? And can you clarify what you mean by after? If for example, I do a border run, then I'm responsible to let Immigration know I'm still at the same address when I come back in?
Sarah ****************
Initially when you move in its theirs. After that its yours
Sarah ****************
If you leave and come back you out landlord should report to immigration. They register you when first move in but still have to report within 24 hours that you are back
Lee ********
Not really no, the TM30 is used to trace the whereabouts of us foreigners not the Thais. If you are renting a property from a Thai and they fail to register you on a TM30, as it is their responsibility to do so, then they can be subjected to a fine.
Lee ********
Could be either depending on the situation. If you have a rental agreement then I think it may be your responsibility after the agreement is signed and the landlord has done the initial report to register you as being there. I think it's only a fine for them if they don't do the initial TM30 when you first move in. The agent I used when renting my place was very thorough on this in both Thai and English with both parties present. When all is said and done it's easy enough to pop to immigration and ask. Here in Chiang Mai I've found them to be really helpful with anything I've needed. It's worth the visit prior just to ensure the minimum hassle on the day you need to sort things in my opinion. Getting it from the horse's mouth so's to speak.
David *******
so as he metiond it is the thai landlord who is fined, not the tennant?
Sean *************
Shouldn’t they be fining the Thais?
Lee ********
A few other provinces are tightening up on it too.
Al *******
They have started to get tougher on this over the last year or so.
Nèwēy *******
This is not a new law, it’s always been there, it’s just some immigration offices enforce it and some don’t. What immigration office did you go to?
Johnsuma ******
yeah its not only immigration that have not a good organisation, its all public services that are and nothing is done to improve. is it because they do not mind, is it corruption, is it a brain reason (!), all the country stay retard for an unknown reason (hem).

Happilly population are very friendly and tolerant in the country.
Valère *************************
@Parmentier *****
It's no secret they're short of cash and tools. CM Immigration has been overwhelmed with a larger than 10 fold work increase in the last 15 yrs. But their income has not and as you know a lot of the immigration workload does not generate funds. Staff also hasn't been added enough. And finally in the last few years some very much needed investments have been made in extra and new infrastructure. I've been using this office for nearly 2 decades and automatically you get to know some officers a bit better and they tell you things. How do you think those investments get financed?
Valère *************************
Yeah,.... they're in desperate need of money. Old law now enforced to collect cash for their building project I suppose.
Bill *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
That sounds about right. Chiang Mai immigration
Lee ********
The TM30 should be updated after leaving the country and returning. I think, technically, you're actually supposed to do it if you just leave the province.
John *******
My wife (Thai) and I were away for a few days within Thailand. On return home, we took a new TM30 to Immigration and an officer explained it was only necessary if I had re-entered the country, not on an internal trip. However, that was last year, this year, who knows.. ...
Lee ********
You should be doing it realistically. I don't know of anyone that does it when staying in another province but there's a stamp in your passport if you leave the country
Lee ********
As far as I'm aware, if you leave the country and come back your TM30 has to be updated ASAP. If you have the TM30 which I think you should have you can do it yourself. I don't have any idea about doing it online though
Lee ********
You would just get your existing one stamped. The motel is responsible for registering you with immigration whilst you stay there. That's why your landlord does the registration when you move into rent a property. After this it's usually quicker just to pop in and do it yourself.
Lee ********
It's an old law which they started to enforce over a year ago. So in answer to your question, yes, you do a visa run and leave the country therefore you must update TM30 as I've been and I'm back.
Bill *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
So is this a new law they're just starting to enforce? If I do a border run I'm meant to go in and say "I just came back" and that's it? Odd
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