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Do I need to file a TM 30 if I've never done it before and am planning to report in 90 days?

Neil *********
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Hi all

My situation...I have a non O 1yr multi entry based on marriage issued in Canada where I live half the time ( previously just came a couple times a year on TV)

As I understand it, I have 90 days until I must report in (TM 47?)

I have never done a TM 30 ....I stay mostly at my own house in Surathani ( it’s in my wife’s name nothing in mine)... my wife is in Canada doesn’t come with me but my sister in law lives here.

My question is , having never done a TM 30 on myself, am I now supposed to immediately go and do a TM 30 at the closest immigration in Surathani or am I ok doing it when I do my first 90 day report?
Answer summary
The user is inquiring about the need to file a TM 30 registration upon entering Thailand with a Non O visa based on marriage, while having never filed a TM 30 before. The discussion highlights that while the spouse (who owns the house) is not present, self-reporting is possible. There is also clarification that the user's visa type allows for staying 90 days without needing to file a 90-day report if leaving the country for a new entry stamp. Questions arise about the requirements for documentation concerning visa extensions and compliance with immigration regulations, particularly for expats residing in Thailand.
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Tod *********
Tod *********
Neil Maskell now IF on the other hand you wanted to get a year extension based on marriage to a thai by meeting the proof of funds (400K baht in a thai bank account in your name only for 2months before you apply for a year extension OR a notarized letter from your consulate (the Canadian consulate here in Bangkok) stating you get at least 40K baht a month in income every month from abroad.

What threw me off is;

Most people don't get year long multi-entry visas IF they're going to apply for a yearly extension at the immigration office once they get here because it is a waste of an expensive visa.

All you needed was a 90 day single entry Non-O and then you can apply for an extension when that first 90 days runs down to 30 days or less.

Be that as it may; You could apply for a yearly extension on ANY of the 90 day entries you get off that year-long visa you have by going to the immigration office, meeting the proof of funds requirements and supplying the documents and copies. .
Neil *********
Neil *********
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@Tod ********
excellent advice thanks again
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
Thanks this really helps my understanding ...I am getting the year by getting the extension...I think I got it now.
Tod *********
Tod *********
GO to the immigration office with your thai wife and get the handout that lists the requirements needed at the office you will be using. There are 70+ immigration offices inside the country and each one does things slightly differently. There is no one size fits all hand out that lists what you need.

You need to go to the immigration office before you are going to apply for the extension and get the hand out, get the documents, bank letter, photos, etc together then go back when you have 30 days or less left on your current 90 day stamp and apply for a year extension
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Neil ********
then what you is; when that 90 day entry stamp is running out, you go to the border, stamp out of thailand, stamp in&out of another country and then stamp back in to thailand to get a NEW 90 day stamp.

You do that every 90 days for the validity of the visa itself and you can get almost 15 months of stay out of it.
Neil *********
Neil *********
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@Tod ********
got it thanks
Tod *********
Tod *********
On that visa you NEVER do 90 day reporting because you can't be in the country 90 full days (you're actually only stamped in for 89 days because the day you enter is day one :O)
Tod *********
Tod *********
If you're on a year-long, multi-entry Non-O visa <- that gets you stamped in for 90 days every time you enter you NEVER do a 90 day report because you can't stay IN the country longer than 90 days before you have to bounce out and back in for a new 90 day stamp;)

You would have to be on a year long extension of stay from an immigration office INSIDE the country to have to do a 90 day report.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Ne**
on that visa you can't stay 90 days so you NEVER do a 90 day report ;)
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Neil ********
correct, that's what a one year multi-entry Non-O visa let's you do, exit, enter as much as you want and you get stamped in for 90 days every time you enter for the validity of the visa (a year from the date it was issued).
Neil *********
Neil *********
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And until I actually APPLY for that 1 year extension, I can come and go , over and over for up to a year, not staying inside more than 90 days, and I don’t need to worry about 90 days report correct?
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
Proof of funds...easy...marriage certificate and blue house book ? Anything else ?
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
@Tod ********
yes! Now we are getting somewhere! So that’s all I do right? Proof of funds along with the docs ( back to my original question) before the 90 days expires?
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Neil ********
You are confusing a one year multi-entry VISA that you buy from a thai consulate in another country and bounce out and in every 90 days with a one year extension of stay that you get from the immigration office inside the country by meeting the proof of funds requirements and providing the documentation required
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
But thanks for your time and input
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
So everyone here...who has a marriage visa 1 year non O...has to do these silly border runs still? Doesn’t sound right
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Neil ********
right, then follow the information I put below this ;)

That's what you do on that visa...
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Neil ********
then you DON'T do 90 day reporting. You bounce out and back in for a new 90 day stamp like I outlined below.
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
@Tod ********
yes from the Thai consulate
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
@Tod ********
yes stamped in for 90 days...
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
@Tod ********
yes I can send a pic if you think I’m confused
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Neil ********
and you were stamped in for 90 days on your entry stamp right?
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
@Tod ********
Edmonton Canada ...year long multi entry non O visa based on marriage
Tod *********
Tod *********
Then you didn't get the visa from an I/O <- immigration officer because there are no immigration officers outside of thailand. You BOUGHT a visa from a thai consulate ;)

Now the real question;

Is it a year long, multi-entry Non-O visa OR is it a 90 day single entry Non-O visa ? It will say on the visa itself
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
Edmonton Canada
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Neil ********
and you got the visa WHERE?
Neil *********
Neil *********
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@Tod ********
wow now I’m confused...the IO that issued the visa told me specifically I don’t have to go outside do visa runs...just go to local IMM office show proof of funds and marriage docs and they stamp it for another 90 days
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Neil ********
, with 70+ immigration offices inside the country and each of them doing something slightly different about the TM30 you or your thai wife needs to go and find out what they require as far as documentation.
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
My Thai-Canadian wife is in Canada....so my sister in law who also lives here with me, or I can self report? I have the blue book
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
@Tod ********
absolutely...I was clarifying that she currently lives and works over there and we usually don’t travel together
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
@Tod ********
blue book is in my wife’s name
Tod *********
Tod *********
I would bet your thai canadian wife is STILL thai, as is the sister in law, just because they hold a passport from another country doesn't mean they gave up being thai.
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
Blue book is in wife’s name but I have it with me
Tod *********
Tod *********
if you have a blue book I'd say it's blank (seeing as unless YOU hold permanent resident status your name can't be in a blue book AND if you had permanent resident status you'd be exempt from filing a TM30.)
Robert *******
Robert *******
After you arrive at a private address the land or house owner has to report you within 24 hours at the local Immigration Office. In your case that could be your wife who has to report you as she is the owner of the house. She needs to do this, every time you have left the country and comes back, if needed if you travel inside Thailand she has to check with your local Immigration Office.
Robert *******
Robert *******
As not every Immigration Office ask for the same document I would say give them a call and ask which documents you need to bring. Than prepare all and make a visit.
Neil *********
Neil *********
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@Robert ******
yes I am in noncompliance I realize...as I said never have had the issue come up....what I really want to know is...how do I self report myself and do a TM 30? I have the blue book ( in wife’s name although she’s in Canada).... I have to go to Surathani Immigration first time to register correct?
Robert *******
Robert *******
You need to be reported within 24 hours after arriving at the private address, if the land owner, house owner, house master, land lord or who ever took care and have access to the documents left Thailand and left you all alone, than you are responsible as possessor of the house,
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
@Robert ******
and since she isn’t here with me ( works in Canada)...and no one has ever done a TM 30 for me here ( at my own house).... this is a different issue correct? And will not affect me?
Robert *******
Robert *******
With a 1 year Non Immigrant O visa based on being married with Thai National you only get a maximum of 90 days of stay. You leave Thailand before or on the 90th day, you don't need to make any 90 day reports using the TM47 form.
Ron *******
Ron *******
@Neil ********
if you really have a ME non O visa that you got at an Embassy or consulate outside of Thailand, and NOT an extension you bought at an Immigration inside of Thailand, you don't do 90 day reporting as you need to leave the country on or before day 90. You need to stamp out of the country then stamp back in.

You do that every 90 days before the 'Use by' date of the visa.
Neil *********
Neil *********
OP
@Robert ******
the marriage visa allows me to stay in the country without going outside correct? As long as I go before 90 days and register a TM 47 ? You are saying it’s a maximum 90 days?

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