Why has Western Union become cheaper than Wise for transferring money to Thailand?

Nov 4, 2024
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Mike ********
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Why is western Union cheaper than wise all of a sudden ? Transfer 20000. Bht wise £472 and western Union £457 (no transfer fee) I’m guessing it’s a one off no transfer fee ?
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The discussion revolves around the recent comparative costs of transferring money to Thailand using Western Union versus Wise. A user noted that transferring 20,000 baht costs £472 via Wise and £457 via Western Union, prompting speculation about the reasons behind Western Union's lower fees. Comments highlight that while Western Union may appear cheaper, Wise often provides clearer fee structures and rates, leading to better overall deals in many cases. Users shared experiences with different platforms, emphasizing variations in fees and exchange rates, and deliberating on factors like domestic transfers versus international charges. Overall, the conversation illustrates the complexities in choosing the best money transfer service based on individual needs and service reliability.
David ********
I have been coming to Thailand 15 times in 15 years on Tourist visas and on 2 Retirement O visas obtained at the Thai Embassy in Canberra Australia. I have never had a bank account in Thailand, it's not required. I have a fee-free bank account in Australia and it's good to be free anywhere in the world.
Phil ******
@David *******
which bank?
Merv *******
I found Western Union was cheaper than Moneygram and far more reliable ,from U K to my Thai partner.
Colin *********************
I have done exactly the same. For 20,000 baht WU is cheaper.
James *******
I have a Thai account but I am finding it much easier to withdraw 20k baht from an ATM from my UK account. It also helps with the tax avoidance. No idea why people seem so obsessed with getting a Thai account. It cost me £465 today all fees inc.
Phil ******
@James ******
you may not have to worry about tax here. A thai account is more flexible.
James *******
@Phil *****
You are right he may not hon.
Terary **********
I have used WU in the past (10 years ago).. The were cheaper than an ATM.. But I had problems with them and their security practices. I think they had problems with verifying something or another. Their customer service was horrible. If you're going to use WU you should have a plan B, or emergency cash... But that's true for any transfer service.
Marc ********
People on FB always say Wise is the best.

But when I checked out the rates I was not impressed at all.

Not a good deal for me.

Maybe it's different if sending from the US but Switzerland it's not
Evan ********
It’s easy to compare what you actually get into the Thai bank. Western Union gives a full discount on your first transfer but after that Wise was better. However, for amounts under $2000 AUD I use XE Rates as it’s always a few hundred baht better than Wise.. Wise is better over $2000 though.

No loyalty. Just go with who gives the best locked in rate. Wise no longer offers me a guaranteed rate as I set up too many transfers chasing the best rate for their liking. Been like that for over a year too. I do still use Wise occasionally as they do update their rates constantly and XE Rates is much slower to update
Cubi ******
Rebuilding it's busy
Vitico ********
Always check the different apps like transferwise moneygram and western union. Sometimes one app will have an unusually better exchange rate. In general transferwise gives the least hassle and you will get the money in a few minutes but it will be less than the other apps. Last time western union made me call on the phone to confirm my details and had to wait a few days to get the transfer. Moneygram has better exchange rates but it may take a few days longer than the others or the app will have trouble authenticating your debit card. Transferwise is for the times when you need your money quickly.
Chris **********
I remember years ago WU was the most expensive by far as they were the *known* to Americans. They finally maybe 10 years ago repriced to compete with Xoom, Transferwise, Moneygram, and the others.

Still last I looked their exchange rates were trash but that was a year ago.
Jack *****
I have transferred the same amount to the same person at least 9 times in the last year... this time.... western union has taken 6 days and still not transferred ... took the money from my US bank no problem the first day... I have switched to Wise and the first transfer to my new Kasikorn account was 7 seconds...
David *******
Is this sending 20,000 bht to a uk bank account from a Thai bank account? If so how do you get the 20k bht to WU and is there a cost to that part. And like others said is the uk bank charging any fees.
Martyn ***********
It's not just the cost to send.. You need to look at Total cost, ie Funds+fees in relation to currency received. It's probably a lower fee, but the exchange rate is lower.. Resulting in a higher overall cost per baht received.

Basically.. They charge a lower fee, but screw you on the rate!

Also my bank doesn't charge me to receive the transfer from wise, it does for others I've tried...
Tom *****
@Martyn **********
which Bank?
Martyn ***********
@Tom ****
TTB is mine, but apllies to others too...
Adam ********
It’s been cheaper for me for nearly a year.
Mike ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Adam *******
I’ve not used WU since 2019 but thought I would check them out, websites a lot better than before, I think it’s a max of £3000 you can send and it’s still a day or two to hit the receivers bank,
Mike ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Did it 4,11,24 and it’s been delivered 5,11,24 but says it will be available on the 8.11,24 !? Wtf,.
Ross **********
@Mike *******
always the same day for me, I use both wise and WU , mostly it is transferred instantly , bank to bank except weekends
Adam ********
@Mike *******
usually next working day. That’s fine for me. If you want it quicker you can do it to a western union branch within minutes. I don’t send more than 1-2k so it works fine for me.
Tony *********
Anyone here not using Wise and can confirm that when the money hits your Thai bank account it shows up as an international transfer? As far as I know my research so far confirms no other alternative if you need this for Immigration.
Mike *******
@Tony ********
Revolut transfers do.
Tony *********
@Mike ******
- really? I asked them and they told me it doesn't.

Which bank are you transferring to in Thailand and where from? I know they are frequently 2nd in the Wise comparison chart. I assume you just pay the small Revolut fee and no incoming fees? Is Revolut a fixed fee or % of total being transferred? I have an account with them but never used because they told me it won't show as an international transfer 🙄
Mike *******
@Tony ********
I transfer baht to bangkok bank. Conversion i do in revolut when the rates are favourable and transfer when I need money. My transfers always show as international transfers in my pass book.

There is a small transfer fee from revolut and from the bank but its negligible.... to me anyway. I also have a wise account but Revolut is my go to method/international bank. BTW, I usually transfer largish amount rather than small amounts often. Works for me.
Tony *********
@Mike ******
- can you give an example of the Bangkok Bank account incoming fee because I also use them and no fee at all with Wise. I also only transfer my requirement once a month so it's not a small amount. I will do a small test sometime in December and see what happens. It sounds like it works exactly the same way as Wise I convert then transfer over when i need it. Can you set up auto conversions like Wise?

At the moment Revolut are always number 2 and Wise 3rd with Western Union number 1 on Wise's own comparison chart. I haven't seen a change for a long time.
Charles *********
Western union charge me 4% transaction fee of any amount sent
Mike *********
@Charles ********
sounds like you are using a credit card to fund the transaction. If you use debit card or direct bank funding then it’s a flat fee. USD it’s $2.99 The only variable is the transfer rate and in USD it’s about .30-.60 baht per dollar less than the local exchange boxes advertised rates.
Charles *********
@Mike ********
I send money via Bidvest to Western union to Thailand
Steve **********
I have switched to remitly very simple to use
Jeffrey **********
@Steve *********
is use Remitly always, simple,fast,flexible,no fees and a competitive exchange rate.
Ian *********
Western Union rates are normally rubbish!
Gregor **********
@Ian ********
not true . . if you use the bank account to bank account method, Western Union gets you more cash in the receiving account than WISE
Ian *********
@Gregor *********
I haven’t used them for a long time tbh.
Gregor **********
@Ian ********
their rates and policies have changed a lot! For the bank to bank transfer method, WU now offers better rates than WISE
Phil ******
@Mike *******
WAIT FOR interbank fees.
Mike ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Phil *****
I saved £14 compared to wise, so we will see how it works out,.
Anna ********************
Transferred from my revoult only cost me £1.45 fee
Chris ********
@Anna *******************
and 0% FX charges....you get the inter-bank rate so no charges....but make sure you change on a working bank day and not on the weekend as the exchange rate then is fixed at a less competitive rate
Anna ********************
Ricky ********
Maybe they have finally realized that their expensive rates are costing them money. Or there are hidden fees and rates.
John ********
Moneygram!
Leroy ******
@John *******
I second that. I use this now too 👍
Terry ********
After using Wise for many years I've switched to Western Union recently as the exchange rate is significantly better and after getting a few free transfers the fee is now 99p. Also if you use Western Union's direct bank transfer the fee is still 0 with a slightly better exchange rate. Like Wise they tell you exactly how much you will receive (unless you're receiving Bank takes a cut). KBank does not. I usually transfer £1,000. I don't know how their rates for larger amounts compare. WUs website and app were dreadful to begin but seem to be working smoothly now.
John ********
@Terry *******
By KBank, would it be Kasikorn? I send money periodically to an SCB account using Wise and SCB charge 400 THB transaction fee.
Steve ********
@John *******
I transfer from the UK to my Kasikornbank account using Wise and they do not charge a fee. Previous international transfers, prior to using Wise, incurred a 500 baht fee, so it’s another saving.
Terry ********
@John *******
yes it's Kasikorn bank John.
John ********
@Terry *******
Thankyou sir
Brandon ************
A lot of the other services look cheaper than Wise at first glance. But the difference is that Wise is giving you the exact amount of baht you will receive, because they are taking your foreign money and then transferring the money to you from inside of Thailand as a domestic transfer. There are no other fees than what Wise shows in the transfer.

The majority of the other services take your money and then transfer internationally to your account. That means there will be additional conversion and transfer fees from your bank in Thailand, so you don't actually know how much Baht you are going to receive until it's already received and in your bank account.
Rick *********
@Brandon ***********
I know exactly how much will be transferred using Instarem.
Dennis *********
@Brandon ***********
when you read that wise has accounts in Thailand. This seems like a unusual business model
Kim *********
@Dennis ********
wise doesn't have accounts in Thailand - they have banks they cooperate with
Brandon ************
@Dennis ********
don't know anything about their business model, just know that when I do a transfer it comes from a Thai account.
Dennis *********
@Brandon ***********
interesting I’ll have to ask a friend
Wylie *******
@Brandon ***********
but you can select options that show up at your bank as international transfers. Does that still come from a Thai bank? I haven't looked that closely, all I know is it doesn't change the fee at all.
Kim *********
@Wylie ******
yes it does - Wise has thai bank partners so they send to them and they transfer them to the bank and account the sender requested
Brandon ************
@Wylie ******
I don't really know since I've never used that before
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