How do cultural differences in daily living influence expats' experiences in Thailand, particularly regarding kitchens and laundry?

Mar 21, 2024
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Catherine ***********
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So, I’m 43, and grew up on a big farm in northern Iowa, USA. We do for ourselves. It’s expected, it’s ingrained from a very early age, and even today is a cultural norm in the rural Midwest. I have never paid anyone to do what I can do myself, ie. - mow my own yard, do my own laundry, clean my own house, cook my own food (part of which I grew/raised myself). When looking at properties to rent in Thailand I was so confused at first about the lack of a kitchen and laundry room in most places until Iearned that many Thais (in urban areas) eat out, and use laundry services. I can’t kick how odd this feels for me🫤(I understand this is cultural and from my background). Why pay for services I can do for myself?? But then?… Does it cost significantly more, enough so, to rent a place with a kitchen and at least a washer, that it negates saving money by doing these things myself? And even then does the weird “I’m being lazy” feeling ever go away?

* I DO NOT THINK THAI PEOPLE ARE LAZY! I understand it’s a cultural difference, and that it’s different between rural and urban areas in Thailand.
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The post discusses the cultural differences expats in Thailand may encounter, particularly regarding household routines such as cooking and laundry. The author, coming from a self-sufficient rural background in Iowa, expresses confusion over the norm of eating out and using laundry services in Thailand, highlighting the contrast with their upbringing. While many Thais have kitchens and do cook, especially in rural areas, urban residents often prefer to eat out due to convenience and affordability. The conversation features various expat perspectives on adapting to these cultural practices while deliberating on the cost-efficiency of renting places with full kitchen facilities versus relying on local food vendors and laundry services.
Paul ********
Don't know what condos you are looking at, but in my experience you have to dig hard to find one without a kitchen and a wash machine.

Pretty standard stuff. Now in a modern urban condo, space is small, so it's gonna be a tiny kitchen, unless you pay for premium space.

And dryers are uncommon because everybody dries laundry on their balcony.

Honestly, even lots of hotel rooms have kitchens and laundry.

I think you've received bad info. Home cooking is a very high priority for a LOT of Thais. That's why there are so many lovely fresh markets. But as in every other area of life, they make do with smaller and less of everything than we Americans deem "normal."
Catherine ***********
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@Paul *******
I get small kitchens, but a huge majority of the places I’m looking at have a sink and fridge…. and that’s the ‘kitchen’. It may be my price point- I have to keep it under ฿10,000 🤷🏼‍♀️
James ******
Northern Iowa is great this time of year. When traveling there, I never consider why or when People do their laundry. THAILAND!, on the other hand has much to see and explore, the metrics of laundry is in direct proportion to how much do you wish to carry in your luggage.
Catherine ***********
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@James *****
🤣 I’ll have to agree to disagree on northern Iowa being great in early Spring! And yes! So much to do in Thailand! I can’t wait, and don’t care if I have to wash my clothes in a river, lol.
Jason ********
Your time is obviously not valuable at all.

If you can make more money with your time why not pay for a service. Catch a wake up man. We in 2024, not 1970
Dennis *********
not sure what/where you looked, but most condo's I've seen and also rented a few, had both.
Monzi *************
You are most welcome to Dm me I recently started living in Thailand and will do my best to provide some support if you need it. I am from USA too.
Jason ************
Most financially independent people I know focus on capitalizing on their strengths and outsourcing their weaknesses. Know your worth and focus your time on the areas that are most profitable so you create more free time to do the things you love. This is how you attain success. You really think wealthy people cut their own grass and change their own brakes, etc? I’m surprised more people don’t understand what a waste of time this is. If you can make $200 an hour, why cut grass that you can pay someone $10 an hour to do. Makes no sense. Your time has a monetary value. Again……KNOW YOUR WORTH.
Catherine ***********
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@Jason ***********
II’m a teacher, man 🤷🏼‍♀️ Where I come from, though, there’s also a certain pride we take in being self sufficient. No matter how much money my Grandma n Papa had, I don’t EVER remember seeing anyone else do any work at their place. Pop wouldn’t have had it. Money isn’t as much as of a status symbol in the rural Midwest. Especially back when I was growing up.
Jason ************
@Catherine **********
St. Louis was home for many years before Hawaii. I taught my older sons similar values growing up. Now, I focus more on helping them to create generational wealth and ‘play the game’. I understand where you’re coming from as well. A happy medium can work well. When I was younger, the work that I would do would depend on whether I had more time or money at that point in life.
Catherine ***********
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@Jason ***********
I hear ya. As a teacher, I’m never going to make so much money that my time is that valuable (monetarily… my time and profession are important to me in other ways, obviously)
Jay ****
Millions of coin laundromats here. Definitely cheaper to eat out and easier. Thai kitchens are VERY simple. Outfit a corner on your patio if you need one. Ovens are rare. Make sure you're paying the minimum country rates for your utilities . Many places jack up the price to make money. Make sure you have a good newer ac.
Sherry ********
As they say.......your not in Kansas any more baby.....try to adapt or stay home
Steve *******
@Catherine **********
also unfortunately in these expat groups too many over inflate their knowledge of all things Thailand, don’t let it discourage you. Most of the westerners (Falangs) I have met here and nothing like some of the mean spirited people in these groups.
Steve *******
@Catherine **********
I apologize for all the ignorant, mean spirited or arrogant comments you received on your post. It is a great post. My Thai wife who grew up on a rural farm in Essan and now lives in a urban city Hua Hin, first told me that most Thai and Falangs eat out when I made the same observations as you upon arrival in Thailand. She said it is cheaper and easier to eat out (specifically Thai food) than cook. Of course Thai in more rural settings will cook at home more.
Catherine ***********
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@Steve ******
thank you 🙏 I know… some people lost their minds when I dare mentioned the differences I was encountering. It like, come on folks, this is how we learn and adapt. Geesh!
Jo **********
What? Did you say most Thai house don't have a kitchen? That will be a problem for me, because I like to cook my own food..I am going to Thailand in one month, so I better know
Lynnette *******
@Jo *********
and here's my son's kitchen in a condo
Lynnette *******
@Jo *********
my daughter likes her Thai style gas "hob" lol
Jo **********
@Lynnette ******
Thank you for taking the time to ease my anxiety down. 😅

Thai food is one of my favorite food, but I am not a big out eater. I prefer to prepare my own food. I gave a very fragile stomach, and git disturbed often when I eat out. I only eat out on occasion. I will make sure I make my searcb for my apartment by clicking the option kitchen. Thanks again.
Lynnette *******
@Jo *********
I'm staying in one at Bangtao in May. Nice kitchen so we can have a meal together with family.
Jo **********
@Lynnette ******
your son kitchen is beautiful. This is the type of kitchen I would like to have over there. I evdn see a washer in the picture
Lynnette *******
@Jo *********
my Thai daughter just got this one.
Lynnette *******
@Jo *********
that's not totally accurate really. My condo has a kitchen, the condos my sonn manages have super modern kitchens, my Thai daughter has a kitchen, everyone we know has a kitchen. Even if small ones. .
Robert *********
Here in Chiang Rai I have Not done my own laundry in 4 years and at 2 to 300 Baht Why should I waste my time. Finding a Dryer could be a problem and the kitchens are small and some not even in the house but outback LOL 555.
Sei *****
yes, they are lazy and doing a bad job
Eddie ******
Hillbillies!!
Angelik *******
When I first arrived I also was wondering why houses are furnished, but don't have a stove. You can look around and find a house with a kitchen, but will have to buy a stove and gas or a hotplate. You'll also have to pay for a washing machine or wash by hand. The house with a kitchen is not more expensive than a house without one, but more expensive than an apartment. I don't know where you are. In my city you can rent a 1-2 bedroom house for 6-
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baht and an apartment without kitchen for 3-6000. But it's not easy to find a furnished house here, cause it's a small city.
Edna *******
May be a repeat, but these services are so cheap. For one person it makes sense. The variety of foods available at food stalls is mind blowing. When you first settle, do it until you find the ideal home, apartment etc.
Nick *******
That was a long rant about nothing. I think you should stay in your rural farm in the us crazy people over there.

You won't fit in here.
Gabí **************
I love in a city in Thailand and do all my washing and cook my own food 6 days a week. Pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Johnny ******
Most Thais have a kitchen and do their own washing. Many more have domestic staff than what's you come from.
Andy ******
Nearly all baby boomers are the same.as you I certainly.am.and feel uncomfortable having work.done for.me.but I am.a few years in now and all is good watching the misses do.eveything cooking laundry cleaning the house (above and below eye level 555).but when it comes to my bike well that's a different ball game i like to do the work myself ..its not about the money it's about the skill..and quality of.work ..normaly there are some very skilled thai people who work exceptionaly well but can't help.but look over it while work is in progress just cos I am.a fussy c.....t
Shane ************
You'll also find most farangs such as many posted here think they are Thai. 🤡
Shing *****
Many Thais living in urban area are working there living alone, or sharing a flat with others, away from their countryside home. So cooking or owning a washing machine is a bit of luxury for them. If you are looking at the bigger condominium flats, townhouses, or single houses, those would most probably come equipped with kitchen and washing machine.
Tim *****************
Most Thais have a washing machine and kitchen but if you're staying in 2 star hotels I understand
Steve *******
I’m exactly the same, from Michigan. I cook meatloaf at home sometimes lol.
Catherine ***********
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@Steve ******
when I get there, you share your meatloaf and I’ll make some homemade chicken n noodles over mashed potatoes 😉
Alexey ********
That was really interesting to read about cultural difference. Keep going. Thank you for your post!
Martin *********
You’re looking at properties that don’t have these facilities? .. are you looking at properties outside of cities ?.

My condo like most others have cookers , washing machines/ facilities etc ..

if your looking at places in the country sure most do there washing by hand and cook on propane .. properties ? You get what you’re prepared to pay for .
Catherine ***********
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@Martin ********
Many apartments don’t have what I’d consider a kitchen for B12,000 or less. And ya, I get it. My post wasn’t a complaint. I asked -is it worth it to try to afford a place with a full kitchen, or is it really actually less expensive to eat out most meals? … and when doing that, will I ever not have that nagging feeling that I’m being lazy?
Martin *********
@Catherine **********
its certainly cheaper to eat out wherever you are or staying imo .. example ( being British) if you made yourself a Sunday roast which I sometimes do , it works out 3 times more expensive than eating it out in a restaurant ( if they do Sunday roasts ) and many do in the city I stay in 😉
Travis **********
@Catherine **********
I grew up on a dairy and tobacco farm in southwest , Wisconsin…near Prairie du Chien… probably not far from where you grew up…
Catherine ***********
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@Travis *********
Then you get it!
Roberto *********
I think you'll find all condos come with a kitchen, and many with washing machine. That's my experience anyway
Catherine ***********
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@Roberto ********
after a lot of discussion on here, the conclusion is it’s my price point. I need to keep it under B12,000 when we arrive until I’m working!
Werner ************
You think there are some cultural differences hoo boy? 🤦🏼‍♂️🤡
Stefan ********
I prefer to make more money with what I like to do and pay others for the things i don't really like to do. Live and let live.

Everybody is different luckily.
Cherlin ************
My family have washing machine and stem iron machine. Still we send some of our clothes to local cleaning service lady in our neighborhood. Why? We want to support her and it also allow us more time to do things more important to us like extra study, side gig, spend time on investment, etc. I also find many thai dont like washing by machine. My mom loves hand wash.
Patrick ************
I here what you are saying But lots of people here make a living cooking cleaning and doing laundry
Kent *********
Welp my wife works, so over the years when I’m home in Thailand I do laundry, clean and cook and I work the farm. Big difference between the country life and city life where there are more conveniences
Kǎisǎ **********
Also, it’s too hot to cook inside. But in an apartment there is usually no outside kitchen. Also, you can wash your clothes by hand. Many Thais do this.
Kǎisǎ **********
People who use services value their time NOT doing something more than the money it costs. So they have a surplus of money and a lack of time and they want more time. You are experiencing first hand differences in culture which are when you think something is “wrong” or morally superior to what someone else considers “right”. Last, just remember, if you aren’t the one doing it, it’s none of your business. Feelings will follow suit.
John ********
Have you been to Thailand?
David ************
I understand Catherine, you make a good point. Time is the answer, just give it time and you’ll adapt and find other ways to keep busy perhaps.

I’d be more worried about the obvious lack of decent conversation offered by the expats in Hua Hin. If this group is anything to go by they tend to not read very well and are argumentative.😉
Frank *********
You should do a lot more studying about Thai culture…

If every culture in the world was the same?

Why would anybody want to go abroad…

Maybe your missing the point 🙏
Janet **********
You need to rent a house or a very big condo. House is usually cheaper.
กนกนุช *******
Your conclusion is not quite right. That is not culture, it’s just someone who live with a convenient life because they don’t have much time to do all things by themselve.
Daniel *****
It's more about supporting others, particularly small businesses to survive and keep doing what they are doing. You'll find it's very affordable and you will make some rewarding connections with the locals if you are kind and generous of heart.
Shawna ********
We are originally from the Midwest, so I get it. We’ve been here since 2011 and have lived in multiple places. We first were in this kind of long stay hotel type place before we got our first house. I’ve found it’s a bit hard to find places online. Being in the area and having a good agent helps. We have ended up building/modifying our kitchens. Some places have them. Others have a room where you make one, which is what we’ve done. And we’ve made space for a washer and a dryer.
Janet *********
You should visit for a few months to see if this culture is a fit for you
Henrik *****
If you wages are around 400 $, which it is for many Thais, then you can not afford to more than 4 walls, a toilet and a watertank, the money to build kitchens and buy washing mashines are simply not there, and with streetfood, and local cooks (typicaly older women) that can supply you a meal for around 50 Baht, then you have to cook many meals in order to make the investment in a US style kitchen.

A washing machine will cost you 5000 - 10.000 Baht, so that is roughly half of a months wage, so that is a long time investment.

Even though there are coin laundrys that cost around 30 Baht / machine, or you can get someone to wash for you at 50 Baht/kilo.

You really need to go and find out how Thailand works, it seems you don’t have a clou.

And don’t burn you bridges in US, you might want to go back really soon.

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Simple rooms like this ( or even one without any windows, will be shared by 2-3 people, to be able to pay the rent, and provide for the family back in Isaan.
Nathan ******
@Henrik ****
spot on!

For clarification, that's 400 baht per day

(13 dollars)
Henrik *****
It’s more like 300 Baht a day plus electricity and water, but only when you book for at least a 1 month
Sam ********
Note to Americans & Canadians: Thailand is different. Don't try to change it. We like it as it is.
Frank **********
@Sam *******
let me guess you are a Brit.
Duncanc **********
Essentially apartments aren’t “homes”

It’s just a place to crash when work is finished - the home is back in suburbs, Isaan/some province etc
Catherine ***********
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@Duncanc *********
this is what I’m gathering. But since I’d have no other ‘home’ there it’d be pretty weird to eat out most the time. Maybe I’ll love it?! Not like cooking and cleaning it up are the most fun things to do! Lol
Mark *********
@Catherine **********
It goes back one hell of a long way to the advent of the Chinese in Thailand. It's not eat out in any sense other than street food in it's origins. All Chinese coolies got in their communal facilities was a bed and the ability to wash, as in city China. Street food was very quickly made - high speed high temperature frying or grilling. In Thailand country food was and still can be quite different. Long and slow and both China and Thailand have hotpot. You can't fight such ingrained culture. Neither can you fight those who feel an ingrained need to support the poor. They provide work for those street vendors, or moving up to the big houses they provide work for cleaners and housekeepers. It is a moral obligation.
Catherine ***********
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@Mark ********
Thanks for the Info! I do understand the commerce (jobs for the cooks, launderers, etc.), it’s similar in El Salvador where I’ve spent a lot of time! It’s great. It’s not something that people where I’m from don’t want to support, it’s bc in the rural Midwest we are every spread out. It’s 10-20 miles to the next home some places, let alone into town. So it just too expensive and time consuming to travel and support restaurants, etc.
Duncanc **********
@Catherine **********
You’ll need to master the electric hob and microwave 🫣

Eating (healthy) Thai food is the way to go
Andi ********
you would be surprised that you can find a house in bkk for half the price of a similar surface condo if you search a little bit out of internet, not easily but definitely possible depending on what rent you can afford and where you want to stay
Catherine ***********
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@Andi *******
I hope you’re right! I’m not committing to anything long-term until I’m in country so maybe I’ll find something!
Michael ********
Rice cooker, hob cutting board and a morter and pestle. Dont need all them fancy appliances you find in an american kitchen.
Diedy **********
If you can afford to live in a place without a kitchen or washingmachine, maybe you can look at it from the cook or cleaners point of view. They like to have a job, and you give them a chance to make a living.
Catherine ***********
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@Diedy *********
ya! I think it’s great. My post was never derogatory towards Thais. Just acknowledging this cultural difference! And wondering how people with my background feel about it after awhile there 🙂
Bob *********
I think the main distinction is that in an urban setting, apartments/condos can’t allow gas cookers in units due to fire risks. The lack of an oven is that most of their cuisine do not require it plus it’s expensive. I’ve found that cooking at home is more expensive especially for 1. Now I do generally cook breakfast and lunch. And the lack of washing machines is all due to costs. Rental units get a lot of abuse.
Catherine ***********
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@Bob ********
Thank you for the honest answer, and understanding my question!
Zoe ******
I visited more than 10 house when l was looking for a rental. Every single one had a kitchen and washer. dryers aren't that common because most people hang their laundry to dry.
Catherine ***********
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@Zoe *****
what was your price point though? I’m looking at the B10,000-12,000 range. This is where most folks on here are misunderstanding me. I promise at that price you aren’t finding ‘most’ with kitchens (more than sink + fridge) and washing machines. If you are, at my price, please share where! Thank you 🙏
Zoe ******
@Catherine **********
Where in Thailand are you looking for rentals? What city? I paid 15,000 a month for an apartment when I first moved up north, I had a small kitchen and laundry machines in the facility. Now I pay 20,000 for a house with everything, even an oven. Thai people can, and do cook all the time, as well as do laundry themselves. What you are finding is not a culture issue, it's an affordability issue. What can you get with $350 per month in the US? A rental space for your car? Thailand is cheaper than the US but you also need to be realistic. Raise your budget and you will find plenty of rentals with modern amenities.
Kace *******
i prefer doing my own laundry and washing my own dishes. most everything else i’m happy to have help
Sharron *******
I lived in Iowa for years. I too grew up doing most of what you have done. I also raised 4 children. Two of my grown children still live in Iowa, with their families. But Living in another country requires adjusting to their ways. You are a guest in their country. What life was like before, is now gone. Unless you move back to Iowa. You can rent condos with washing machines. Thats a must have for me. I can adjust to smaller kitchen, since it is just me. An air frier comes in handy, when you don't have an oven. I wish you luck, hope you can get your mind set to a new way of life.
Stefan **********
I do my laundry at a laundrette weekly 40 baht for wash, 40 baht for dry, 20 baht for detergent. Doesn’t get much cheaper than 100 baht a week
James *********
LOL, Average Thai's cook their own meals, and do have kitchens. Not a kitchen you probably have though. Many cook over outdoor fire, some have kitchens in a back room and cook on one or two gas burners. You'll also find many Western style kitchens with built-in stoves and ovens, even full laundry. Many Thai's have no table, chairs, or Western style beds, they sit and sleep on the ground/floor. More Westerners should probably get out of their own Countries to appreciate other Cultures .
Catherine ***********
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@James ********
I DO appreciate the differences. That’s why I’m asking about it. Asking about how it feels to live differently. That’s how we learn- conversations 😊
James *********
@Catherine **********
But of course. I understand your pov 100%, and admire your quest to learn Catherine ☺️🙏💯
Cincy ******
@Catherine **********
Pardon me. But maybe not talk about how hard you work and do everything yourself as if Thais don't would be a start to not being critiqued so harshly. I know that's not what you meant but what does that have to do with your living situation?
Catherine ***********
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@Cincy *****
I don’t even live on our farm anymore. I’m definitely not comparing how hard I work vs Thais, or Thai vs American farmers. I’m only talking about the way that my kind of upbringing hammers home “do not spend money, do not spend money, do not spend money,” and how that’ll make purchasing my dinner from someone else a lot of nights feel weird to me. I understand that it makes financial sense there bc nutritious food is so affordable. Like when I in was in El Salvador and folks with far less money than my family had employed a housekeeper in the mornings. It was just so affordable, and it provided a little income to those women. The culture regarding outsourcing certain tasks is just very different.
James *********
@Catherine **********
I agree with your response to Cincy. We prefer to cook most of our meals at home, but will buy meals from food cart hawkers several times each week. We have our favorites that source fresh ingredients and operate hygienically. Our home has an indoor Thai kitchen, where we do some hot plate cooking, and prepare rice in an electric cooker, but do our main cooking in our outdoor covered kitchen where we have 2 LP gas burners, and an oven. Our washer and dryer are also under the same covering 🙏
Michael *******
Maybe stick to Iowa then - this place is not for you ………
Ling *****
Most Thai people work very long hours and add in the travel to and from home means they are tired. So they can buy a somtum for 40 baht and a sticky rice for 10 baht why wouldn't they? It's already done with no ingredients to buy. As for washing clothes I'd guess 90% of them would do it themselves. The ones that are retired or don't work would most likely do everything for themselves too.
Terry *******
This isn't Kansas, Dorothy
Catherine ***********
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@Terry ******
very helpful 🙄 In Iowa , not KS, we’d have to drive at least 45 min (half the year on snowy gravel roads) to eat somewhere other than home, and it’d be expensive. We had a huge deep freezer full of meat we’d raised ourselves, and a mud room with all the canning from the garden that Spring. Sure we got a lot of stuff from the store when we went ONCE A MONTH. This is a huge cultural difference than urban Thailand! I was asking about cost efficiency and how it feels for others living there with a similar background as me. Read thoroughly next time, Dorothy 😉
Giøvanni **********
My girlfriend parents live in a rural area near Hat Yai, south Thailand. They have a kitchen and a washing machine.
Maurice *********
Its one of the ways to support the local economy
Carlos ******
Good post interesting take 👍
Catherine ***********
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@Carlos *****
Thank you!
Jennifer ******
It can actually be cheaper eating out than cooking your own food unless you do not enjoy Thai street food. It's expensive cooking for 1 person because you need to get a list of ingredients just to cook 1 dish.

In the Midwest, you have to drive to get to a food joint. Over here, you only need to step out onto the street and you'll find a food cart or two, 7-11 round the corner with ready meals. And most are 30-60baht only.

Most apartments here provide a small kitchenette even for studios. My 1 bedroom even has a full sized oven.
Angelik *******
@Jennifer *****
yes, street food is cheap, but not cheaper than cooking at home. Even if you pay 50 baht for a dish, it's cheaper to cook it at home.
Jennifer ******
@Angelik ******
how do you buy only 50 baht worth of ingredients?
Angelik *******
@Jennifer *****
rice is very cheap, eggs, meat...all of it is not expensive. You can even buy cooked rice for 10 baht (which is more expensive than cooking your own). Shrimp is more expensive, but still ok. I'm talking about Thai food and some simple food. If you want to buy expensive cheese than it's a different conversation. And the supermarket prices are the same no matter what city you are in...
Jennifer ******
@Angelik ******
then you need to buy the chilli, ginger, garlic, condiments, unless you cook Thai food without spices. If you cook for a family, yes it's cheaper to cook at home but for 1 person it is not unless you intend to eat the same dish over a few days. You cannot buy 50baht worth of ingredients and cook that 1 dish. I know because I do cook. For steaks and lamb, I cook at home because it's cheaper than eating out, but to cook pad krapow at home for just 1 meal? The ingredients list is more than 50baht even if you buy it from a wet market . There is no economy of scale.
Angelik *******
@Jennifer *****
5kg of rice is 135baht, 1 egg is 3-4 baht, shrimps for 1-2 dishes are 30-100 baht, chicken breast for 1-2 dishes is 35 baht, fish sauce for dozens of dishes is 20 baht. Everyone can do their own math and adjust it to their lifestyle. Let's agree to disagree :)
Jennifer ******
@Angelik ******
ok you're not reading my comments and understanding it. That's ok.
Catherine ***********
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@Jennifer *****
wow! An oven! I’ve seen apartments with two small burners, but no ovens. Anyway…. Ya, that’s what makes sense about ‘many people not cooking’ bc eating out is very affordable in comparison to here. And I have two children coming with me, which is the main reason I wanted a kitchen.
Jennifer ******
@Catherine **********
if the 2 small burners are not enough for you, you can get a portable induction cooker relatively cheaply. I find a pressure cooker really useful and quick for 1 pot meals.
Scott *********
From England.

16 years here. First few I did my own laundry. Hand wash.

Now built the house got the machine.

Cook sometimes but so cheap to eat out so nice to do that too.
Steve *******
As someone 43 years of age, how do you plan to live here, what visa. What income.

Clarify that before asking about Thai life
Catherine ***********
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@Steve ******
first off, I can ask a question without giving out all my details but….. I’m a teacher (I have a Masters in Education and my teaching license in the state of Missouri). I’m not just coming with TEFL certification. Most International schools help with my Visa paperwork, and many provide assistance in finding appropriate housing near the school. I also have social security bc I’m a widow. It’s not a lot, but we’ll be able to live very modestly until I’m working. And I wasn’t asking about ‘Thai life’ really. I was asking about the cost efficiency of renting a place where I can do everything myself vs eating street food and using a laundry service, and if it ever stops feeling odd to not be totally self-reliant.
Joe *******
With respect, dont worry about how things feel, dont overthink everything. Thailand is not America. Everything is going to be different. Im from the midwest too, and I play music. If I get paid for a show, even a little bit, I could go to jail. If I start a small business over there, and want to do some work, at my own place? Thats a no-no. One has to change their mindset when living in Thailand. Thai's concept of time, maps, will drive you bonkers. But they are some of the sweetest people. Good luck.
Steve *******
@Catherine **********
so you have a good background and opportunity, however you need an offer and work permit first.

A lot depends on where you wish to live. A rural or semi rural is very cheap, but life is not easy for us. Major cities like anywhere have huge cost differences.ie. Pattaya is cheaper than Hua in, phuket and Samui, even much of BKK
Catherine ***********
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@Steve ******
I don’t need a work permit first. I’ll interview on a tourist Visa, and then have help with my non-imm B Visa bc I’ll have the letter of employment and a residency. It’s possible to complete the whole process, interview and all, by Skype etc. but many schools prefer I be there first. This stuff I’ve actually been researching for months. Getting all my credentials/transcripts ready. I had only recently browsed at properties and that’s when I spoke to other Expats and a Thai real estate co about the kitchen/laundry issues I was seeing in the apartments I saw.
Michael ***********
@Catherine **********
Top International schools recruit from overseas. Bi-lingual schools, private schools, and government schools (or god forbid, agents for those) require you to be here, but the pay is much lower. I've been in Thailand for eight years, and only the first studio apartment we stayed in for 1 year didn't have a kitchen or a washing machine inside. Most condo rentals do. But of course it depends on where you're going to live. Big city or rural? Ovens are a much more uncommon thing. Upscale condos and houses might have them, but that's all.
Catherine ***********
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@Michael **********
ya, a lot of Int’l schools I looked at wanted experience teaching overseas (like experience w/in Asia) so unless I just get lucky I realize I’ll have to teach in a rather low paying position that first year. It’s okay. It’ll give us time to figure out which area of the country we really wanna be in, and then, with my experience, I can concentrate my job search for the next year. That’s the plan anyways!
Steve *******
@Catherine **********
not from what I know but I hope you do well, remember the cost of living can be double in the big cities
Catherine ***********
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@Steve ******
Thank you!
Jorge ****
Ready made food is tasty, good eatin', and not expensive (unless at the upscale restaurants). I buy food to go daily and get rice, vegetables, and either chicken, fish, pork, etc, all for 60-70 THB (~$2), and if I add a beer, it's now $3. Not a Peterbuilt truck driver sized meal, but good enough. This is more efficient than cooking at home. You cannot buy "just enough" ingredients for a meal, so one ends up buying excess ingredients, cooking (then eating) more than needed. Since I went thru the trouble of living overseas, am not going to spend that time cooking. Laundry is the same... wouldn't I be doing something else other than washing clothes? On the other hand, lots of locals have washing machines, but not driers. Customs do differ wildly. There isn't such a thing as a common Thai house with a fridge or freezer with frozen pizza, steak or TV dinner. They do not bake turkeys, hams, or cookies. Forget about stew or minestrone soup. These are mostly cold countries activities, and the temp is too hot to be baking. Living routines are invariably fitted to the locale.
Steve *******
You can rent with all the facilities you want, just make an effort to research
Robert *****
I will say you’re spot on in your thinking Catherine. I live in Bangkok but from Oklahoma/southern California, and had the same awakening a few years ago on my first visit to Thailand. No laundry except a nice Thai lady and her daughters who apparently did laundry for the surround neighborhood. Ok. I said to my self…..I dropped a big load off and it was perfectly folded and vacuum bagged for a couple hundred baht….wow. Went to some friends ‘Up Country’…(everyone uses that term..555) and we went shopping at the local outdoor marketplace that’s been there for 50 some years….got back to the ‘house’ and they cooked all that food outside, underneath the house……no kitchen. I looked at condos for sale and still no proper kitchen….a single sink but no stove for cooking. I make another dozen trips to Thailand and decide to live in Bangkok. I leased a modern condo, underground parking, elevators to the 7th floor, dual air conditioning, nice modern fridge and freezer, sink, microwave, but still no stove. I like my clean clothes and sheets so I walked to the Mall (fashion island that has a Home Depot type place) and bought a combination Washer/dryer in one machine. Talking a look around many people have this machine on their balcony. So I did the same thing. Works amazing. Very quiet. Same for cooking. Apparently the hot ticket is an Induction cooker that can be stowed under a counter. Got one. Works very fast. I split time between California and Bangkok but I can cook and do laundry nice and proper in both locations. Bob. Here’s some photos…you’ll have to put the machine on a base mount. Lucky I had 3 inches to spare….555.
Robert *****
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Dustin **********
I had a similar upbringing in the rural south. At first it felt weird but now I find it refreshing that I can walk a few meters and get a good meal for a couple of dollars and support local businesses. I still do all of my own laundry though. However, it’s easy in Bangkok to find a room with a kitchen and washer and typically a dryer in the building. Not sure where some of these negative comments are coming from - you acknowledged it is a subjective matter. Unfortunately expat groups are some of the most toxic places on the internet. I just block anyone unhelpful 😂
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@Dustin *********
GOLD STAR! Lol 😂. You are the first to actually answer my question! Thank you. The ‘local business’ part of it that I do understand because when I was in El Salvador it seemed odd at first that these people living in what could be described as a Third World situation still paid a housekeeper to come each morning …but then I learned it’s part of the local economy. The housekeepers are very affordable, and those people have very little money and that gives that woman a little bit of money! So, they’re supporting each other and that’s just a cultural difference in the way their economy functions.
Eric **********
I totally understand. Doing for yourself was ingrained in me too. My folks are from Missouri and North Dakota. Farmers all.

You will find a big difference between city Thais and country folk. One of the things and there are many that amaze me in the small village that I live in is the utter lack of maintenance performed. Equipment gets run till it dies. Homes never get taken care of or even painted…
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@Eric *********
Thank you for the understanding and honest answer! I can’t say, I understand about the maintenance stuff, bc I’m not there yet; but it makes sense that in underdeveloped and poor rural areas it would be hard to keep things up.
Eric **********
@Catherine **********
Part of it they never had anyone teach them. My father in law couldn’t change a tire, service his machines. Zero mechanical skill. On the other hand my wife describes me as “ A shitty engineer in America but a genius in Thailand “ haha low bar for sure!

Good luck and enjoy the ride.
Stuart ***********
Where are you looking at properties?

Mine has an inside kitchen with cooker, hob, microwave and dishwasher, as well as an outside kitchen with a washing machine. Even the condo I stayed in at first had a hob and washing machine.
Catherine ***********
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@Stuart **********
Bangkok (for the jobs/schools) but also Phuket and Krabi bc that’s really where I wanna be. In houses, I get the outdoor kitchen bc it’s hot- I love the idea. But in the cities, the places I viewed had a very small sink (especially for hand washing all dishes and laundry) a microwave, and an electric hotplate /toaster oven at best. May I ask how much you pay? Bc I’m needing to keep it at about $10,000 B.
Stuart ***********
@Catherine **********
I think it is your budget that is limiting what your kitchen is like, especially in Bangkok. I pay more than double that amount in Hua Hin, but I have a pool, so it's not a great comparison.
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@Stuart **********
I think you’re right! Maybe someday! I’m just keeping my expectations realistic though- especially for that first year! Once I have teaching experience IN Thailand I’ll be much more competitive the next year. With my credentials, in the big international schools, I can eventually expect to earn B100,000 or more 👍 Then maybe a pool!
Jason ********
@Catherine **********
100 000 baht? Lol. It’s not even money.

You really must come for a very rural area😉
Stuart ***********
@Catherine **********
that makes perfect sense.

The places you want to live in are the most expensive in Thailand, so maybe consider other areas too.

Good luck🙂
Cherlin ************
@Catherine **********
with 10,000thb is really hard to find nice one with all you requirements mentioned. Try Bangna area a bit further out the city and you might find sth at that budget.
Neil ******
@Catherine **********
pretty much all the houses in Phuket have kitchens and washer. Dryers are a very North American thing. Most people around the world hang dry their clothes.
Craig *********
@Neil *****
yes but in phuket you won’t get close to western style anything for 10k
Neil ******
@Craig ********
I missed that last part. Yeah if your income is low, Phuket is not the place for you.
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@Neil *****
We always hang dry here when weather allows. Why waste electricity, and the clothes smell good! It’s a northern thing bc of the long cold winters, so I get that.
Jonathan *******
This is a very, I've not travelled much mentality. Not everywhere is like the USA
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@Jonathan ******
I’ve actually traveled extensively in S America. Spent almost a year in El Salvador- which IS WHERE I first saw some of the cultural differences I’m talking about. Despite the area I was in being definitely ‘developing to underdeveloped’ people had a housekeeper who would come by in the morning and bring bread and do a quick cleaning in the kitchen. This is something that despite having a huge difference in per capita income in the states, people in the Midwest would not do. They simply wouldn’t pay for it.
Kevin **********
You are SO wrong
Steve *******
I'd wager 99% of condos and houses for rent have cooking and laundry facilities
Andy *******
@Steve ******
every condo or apartment I have stayed in has communal washing machines that accept coins, and usually other self wash coin machines dotted around the streets as a business ...
Steve *******
@Andy ******
Exactly and that's at the very least. Most condos have cooking and washing facilities in your own space!
Andy *******
@Steve ******
the condos I have lived in always have a washing room or machines at the car park level ... And they have pho kitchens, ie bench with sink and microwave, but not hotplates or extraction fan ... But I bought an induction hot plate that travelled with me and did the job ... But for very fragrant things it was balcony cooking by my girlfriend ... Worked well ... Maybe in Bangkok they might have better kitchens in condos but here in Khon Kaen I just adapted the cooking style to microwave and hot plate ... The only thing I miss from Australia is a proper oven with gas burners .. I was raised in a family restaurant and enjoy cooking ... But life is about embracing change and enjoying, so it's all good ... 😊😊
David ***********
@Steve ******
Not correct. I have never been in a condo with a proper kitchen. Maybe a portable hot plate but not always
Lynnette *******
@David **********
all in this condo building have these kitchens.
Martin *********
@David **********
you want to come a see mine ?
Steve *******
@David **********
Who said anything about a proper kitchen in a condo? I said cooking facilities! Try reading it again!
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@Steve ******
I need the info for these places! It may definitely be a price point issue though. When we first arrive, I’ve got to keep our rent at B10,000 or below. So that’s what I was looking at.
Steve *******
@Catherine **********
You wont get much for 10k in Bangkok or Pattaya or any tourist area.
Alma ***************
@Catherine **********
we are renting a 3 bedroom 2.full bath and guest toilet, 2 storey house in Sansai with good security and management for 15k a month plus utilities. This is the ongoing rent in this area
Pui *****
@Catherine **********
well there's the explanation.
*****
baht is a low-end place. It means people typically can't afford a washer/dryer and hand wash clothes, and often cook outside on a portable grill in what's called a Thai kitchen, versus the formal kitchen, to minimise smells.
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@Pui ****
Bull, 10k will get you cooking and laundry facilities
Steve *******
I didn't say it wouldn't get you cooking and washing facilities, I said it wouldn't get you much choice, especially in Bangkok!
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@Pui ****
yes, I’m aware of the outdoor kitchen, and think that sounds lovely considering the heat! But the places I found were apartments with no where to use grill? I realize that you can buy an electric wok and electric rice cooker’s and those things. My question was more - is it worth buying all those things and trying to set up a kitchen in an area that’s not really big enough to make a kitchen, or do people just choose to eat out, and if they do- do you ever get used to not being self-sufficient ?…like I’m used to in my culture in the Midwestern United States?
Julie **********
@Catherine **********
I moved here from Illinois recently, but have a good Thai friend in the states that I've known 12or more years. She told me often that her family rarely cooks at home. Eating out is usually cheaper. I visited here twice before moving and found that to be true, if you eat Thai food. Western food is going to cost more whether it is homemade or restaurant. I find that I'm not getting nearly as much vegetables in my diet as I did in the states , eating mostly Thai foods. The kitchen we have in our rental has one of those 2 burner cook tops, but it seems to be either too hot or not hot enough, there's no in between. We luckily got a double sink, but they aren't common. Geckos get in the kitchen and poop everywhere, it's gross. Washers, if they have one, are usually outside. Dryers are also not common. Laundromats are usually easy to find, especially around apartments. I don't know if I can get used to outdoor kitchen. We'll get a grill and use like we would in Illinois, but not for everyday.
Pui *****
@Catherine **********
If you think washers are rare, wait till you try to find dryers. Even the "big box" chains that are Thailand's equivalents of Walmart or Best Buy, may have 20 different models of laundry machines, but you'll be lucky if they sell one dryer model. Dryers are very rarely found except in commercial laundromats. Everyone hangs their laundry instead.
James *********
@Pui ****
the HomePro near me in the Isan had a dozen or so different dryer models on display when I bought mine last year 🙏
Pui *****
@James ********
strange, the Homepro near me has 2 dryer models, Global House near me has none, nearest Powerbuy has one, and nearest Big C and Lotus's to me have none. Was just shopping for one last month.
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@Pui ****
ya, that doesn’t bother me- I love hanging laundry here when weather allows. But I imagine it’s hard during the rainy season and with the humidity!
Connie **********
@Catherine **********
You’ll use a drying rack inside, and get used to doing smaller loads!
David ***********
So many things to get used too. The only hot water in the house will be a water heater in the shower. Rest of the house only has cold water. No toilet paper down the loo unless you are in a newer house. The pipes are very narrow. Bum guns in every toilet. Just go with it. Life is different but good.
Lynnette *******
@David **********
my son in USA just put in a bum gun. Best and most hygienic thing EVER.
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@David **********
THANK YOU 🙏. For every person decrying that I dare mention a cultural difference, there is a sensible person who understands this is how one learns. Have a great day!
Lynnette *******
@Catherine **********
people explained that your claim to have "learned" Thais don't have kitchens and don't cook was not accurate. Or that they don't have washing machines/ do laundry.
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@Lynnette ******
please explain where they cook in a high rise condo with no stove? And how all the street food vendors stay in business?

This is part of the reason I believe the Thai realtors, and the other Thais and Farangs on here when they tell me this! It simply doesn’t make sense that all the small restaurants and food vendors are able to operate without patrons. If you can explain, please do! And this was never a derogatory post! If nutritious food is more cheaply available outside the home than why wouldn’t people eat it? And if sending laundry off is affordable, I’ll do that! But ya, it’ll feel weird. It’s different. And that’s OKAY to talk about.
Paul ********
@Catherine **********
Thai cuisine doesn't feature many dishes that require an oven. "Ranges" so beloved by Iowegians are strictly for rich foreigners who insist on having what they are used to. For those who want to bake and can afford it, built-in ovens are very popular.

In America, even the poorest live in comparatively huge houses.

In Bangkok, with modern condos coming in at around 30 sq meters-ish, having a range which has little application in Thai cooking would mean forgoing a sofa or full-size fridge.

But money talks. Some condos would blow your mind with their awesome kitchens. But that's not for us poor folks.

Bangkok is Thailand's NYC. Check out what 10k baht/month buys you in NYC, and report back.
Catherine ***********
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@Paul *******
I CAN make do. I’m far from rich. My parents were farmers. I’m a widow with 3 kids, and a public school teacher. It’s just that I see houses that have 3+ bedrooms, and beautiful private pools and yet lack an oven so I don’t really think it’s as much money as it is just a cultural difference and the fact that they don’t use ovens or a typical stove top as much 🤷🏼‍♀️. Which is not an insult. I realize it’s just different. Which is good! I’m not moving to Thailand so I can feel like I’m still in Iowa 👍. But it will take some getting used to.
Paul ********
@Catherine **********
Think of it as though, by choice, you are moving into a tiny house. It's going to be an adventure, not a loss!
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@Paul *******
it’s just me and the littlest now, so we’ll be fine, and yes! an adventure 😃
Dan ********
@Catherine **********
in my experience/opinion, it's not so much that 'healthy' food is so readily available (that which i was used to eating in the west), if so at great expense or effort to source. Anything imported is heavily taxed. Nuts and seeds, non tropical fruits, and of course fresh quality meat and fish etc. And within the local cuisine you have to chose carefully to eat healthily, as much food is fried (most don't have ovens) and they add sugar to everything. I see and hear people travelling across cities to pick up whatever latest craze of health foods are. And I see newly arrived couples in a supermarket picking out supplies for their 5-7 days meal plans like they are superior to the locals, and I'm thinking, thats gonna cost so much more than buying in local restaurants. Also, I didn't come Thailand to eat overnight oats, so I've given up caring for now. Pattongkho (deep fried doughnut sticks dipped in sweet milk, deep fried battered chicken and sticky rice, washed down with coke-cola. For breakfast. And for laundry, I dress differently here. I don't buy expensive clothes any more. Nothing that needs an iron. All dark clothing. So for 50-70 ? baht per kilo, I drop mine in a local shop, and save¹ my time for other things.
Lynnette *******
@Catherine **********
so where are ferangs on here telling you no Thais have kitchens or means of cooking? Some have explained there's 2 types of kitchen. The one in a house that's like a lean-to extension which many thais like ( we call it an outdoor kitchen because it's an extension often can be open at one end). It's still a kitchen. It still has cooking facility.
Julie **********
@Lynnette ******
lots of condos don't have a kitchen unless you consider a mini fridge and small counter a kitchen (and some don't even have that). A close Thai friend of mine told me before I moved here that many Thai people rarely eat homemade food, at least urban Thais. Even if all that you're saying were true, there is no need to be rude to someone just looking for information.
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@Lynnette ******
where did anyone say ‘no Thais have kitchens’? Certainly I didn’t! I’d LOVE an outdoor kitchen, but I can’t get that at my price point without moving so far out that I then would have to travel too far for school or work.

And plenty have commented that it’s more expensive to cook at home, especially for one person. I’m not combing through them for you. You can read. I’m still not sure why you feel the need to defend Thai people for eating Thai street food- that the country is famous for! Goodness gracious, It’s not an insult.
Lynnette *******
@Catherine **********
good grief. They cook in kitchens, on "stoves" ( as you call them)! My daughter in law cooks on gas cooker in her kitchen. She also uses a small grill. And wash in washing machine. My condo has a kitchen, cooking facility, microwave, etc. I don't know any Thais who don't have a means of cooking.
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@Lynnette ******
You’re not understanding me. Of course people have these things! No one’s saying Thailand is some third world country where there is no access to these things! But read the multitude of comments on this post explaining that Many Urban Thais choose not to cook much bc buying meals is so easy & inexpensive! And therefore many extra urban apartments do not put full kitchens in! The landlords don’t have to bc it’s not demanded by enough tenets! I don’t feel the need to send you the hundreds of properties for rent I’ve poured over. At my price point B10,000-12,000 tons of places have only a sink and mini fridge. Some already have toaster ovens or hot plates, and in some I’d need to buy them. You can quite defending Thais or Thai culture bc I’M NOT ATTACKING THEM. I’m pointing out differences. Is your argument that urban Thailand and the rural midwestern US are the same?! They aren’t, and I’m glad. I’m excited to move. Geesh!
Paul ********
@Catherine **********
You'd be surprised what a good Thai cook can whip up with a two burner cooktop.

And the minifridge is fine if you're shopping at a great fresh market daily as opposed to Costco or whatever.

One reason some urban Thais don't cook at home is because many of them work 12+ hours per day, with a handful of days off per month. Their just too exhausted to shop and cook.

I think your biggest error, if I can call it that, is to think that real food can't be prepared in a tiny kitchen. You will be shocked.
David ***********
Let me know any more info you might need. Maybe DM me. Got to be careful on FB. I do love Thailand
Bonnie *********
Perhaps Thailand is not for you. I tend to embrace differences. YMMV, obviously.
Catherine ***********
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@Bonnie ********
embracing means being able to talk about differences and everything that makes each culture it’s own. You’re not embracing other cultures by telling me Thailand isn’t for me bc I wonder about how other people feel about certain things when they move there. Do you not see the hypocrisy in your comment? I’m embracing LEARNING! I’m asking questions. I’m curious. Why be in this group if you don’t like people talking about cultural differences? That’s what it’s for.
Damo ***********
@Catherine **********
are you too high maintenance for Thailand? Ask yourself if you could fit in if you came to Thailand? Maybe you would be best staying where you are? 🤷🏽‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️
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@Damo **********
high maintenance??? Did you READ my post? I’m talking about being brought up on a farm in northern IA in the early 80’s! My a** was up at 4:00am breaking ice & feeding cattle in -20* weather before getting ready for school every morning. Spend my summer “breaks” detasseling corn in over 100* weather for 10+ hrs a day. Farm families word HARD. Ya….. I think I’ll find it too difficult to walk across the street and grab some Pad Thai 🙄 The whole point of my post was that it’ll be an adjustment to allow anyone else to cook/do laundry for me. Asking others who were raised like me if they ever get over the guilty feeling? If they ever stop trying to save that little bit of money? Pay attention to what the OP is saying before commenting next time 👌
Damo ******
@Damo **********
What a stupid comment.
Damo ***********
@Damo *****
and you appear to be a stupid man to realise it.. off you go
Damo ******
@Damo **********
😆😆 You either didn't read the post or as I suspect you're way too stupid to understand what high maintenance means.

Perhaps Thailand is not for you either, off you go !! 😂
Simon ******
Never understood why people care about what other people do.
Lynnette *******
You learned most Thais don't cook or do laundry? Lol. I don't think you've learned much about Thais at all. They cook in their Thai style kitchens and most have washing machines.
Jason *******
@Lynnette ******
I am paying 12,000 a month and that includes a brand new washer in my unit and that isn’t an odd find or expensive.
Dan ********
@Lynnette ******
I would argue that most DONT have washing machines. Maybe 20,000 baht/month rentals and up, will start to include a washing machine. But those in smaller/cheaper rental homes and single room dwellings won't have machines. There is usually a machine or group of, under a covered roof for residents and non residents to use. On koh samui it seems like at least 75% of thais live in these kind of homes, maybe 85-95%. And for the OP, it's not a case of 'eating out' but cooked meals are bought at meal times, like a take-away. The staple meals like khao kah moo, khao man gai, bamee moo daeng and all forms of noodles/soups, bbq meats, fried chicken, khanom, its all readily available, tasting great and dirt cheap, and there's no piles of dirty pots and pans, so no washing

Up. Its a different world here. A different life. Foreigner's that come here and cook ??? Now that shit is weird. I haven't even put a slice of bread in the toaster in 5 years. The kitchen in my villa, still the headquarters of the whole house, but nothing gets cooked. It's a 'show kitchen' - it is just for show.
Xalis ******
Most cannot afford a washer and dryer so they hand wash clothes and air dry them outside. Then they usually cook outside because they dont like having cooked food lingering inside the home. If in the city, the kitchens are small due to only able to afford a small place.
Henning **********
Most Thai people cook for themselves and do their laundry themselves. This being said, there are significantly more places to eat out and places to get your laundry done than we are used to in the west. Also, especially on the country side, the kitchen is usually placed outside the house under a side roof and, as well as the laundromat. That's why you might find the layout of the house doesn't include these areas in per default.
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@Henning *********
THANK YOU! One person here actually acknowledging what I’m talking about 🙄. Seriously…. People saying, “why care what others do?” etc. I DON’T! I asked if other people used to Midwest life feel guilty about not COMPLETELY cooking and cleaning for themselves? That’s it! I brought up the cultural differences and everyone lost their Damn minds! Isn’t that what makes travel, int’l living so great?! Experiencing the differences?
Monzi *************
@Catherine **********
- I understand what you mean. We live in a condo with a small kitchen area - no double sink, but we do have a 4 burner stove top, we have an oven, microwave and a reasonably sized fridge. We have a washer but no dryer. There are stand alone homes that seem to have more than that. We have adjusted to the difference here. But I know that initially it’s a little daunting. We do our own laundry. Small batches and hang it on a wrack (always used a dryer before moving here)

One thing I have found is that on the expat facebook groups there are some really miserable people. They don’t answer what you ask for but give a peanut gallery argument and miserable responses. I have learned to just skim over their responses and interact with those who provide what I am looking for. Believe me some of them seemed to have shriveled up any sense of goodwill towards others. Plus they seem to forget that they also had to learn but now they are the gatekeepers of everything on the Facebook groups. I almost imagine their lives being ruled by posting crappy comments as a means of entertainment.
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@Monzi ************
thanks for answering the question, and for being understanding…. Ya, I didn’t expect a question about a seemingly innocent difference (meal prep & laundry) would get a few people so riled up. Geesh! Imagine posting about abortion rights, race, religion or politics 🫣. I think you’re right. I’ve experienced that toxic ‘know-it-all’ culture in stables (rode n shown all my life)- I often see veteran riders/trainers tease ‘newbies’ as though they forgot that they too were once the student. In my 43 years I’ve learned that everybody just needs to show each other a little grace, ‘Er on the side of kindness. 😊
Monzi *************
@Catherine **********
- 🥰 enjoy the journey - I’m around if you need a chat
Catherine ***********
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@Monzi ************
thanks again!
Danny *******
You haven't lived around a lot of Thais. Most can cook a great meal on top of a propane tank and wash their clothes in a pan. They're not lazy, they just don't need all you do.
Dan *******
@Danny ******
I have a Thai wife and having been raised to do everything for myself. I struggled with the amount of fuss she would make over me with respect to home duties.

When I stay with her family in Thailand the same thing happens. You are so right with respect to it being cultural.

I can say with sincere respect don’t question it or yourself. Just assimilate and enjoy. The fact that you are self sufficient is a quality that will serve you well in the Thai culture.

With respect to eating out. It is so much cheaper to do so and removes the need to cook in a very hot environment.

Hope this helps.
Catherine ***********
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@Dan ******
that does! Thank you 😊
Jo **********
@Dan ******
I am going to Thank in one month. I don't want tobeat out during the week. Only on weekends. What should I look.fir when booking Airbnb? Thanks for your answer.
Tony ***********
@Dan ******
I really don’t know why westerners always say it’s cheaper to eat out. It’s cheap but not cheaper, especially if you have 2 kids.
Nathan ******
@Dan ******
I've always did everything for myself since I was a teenager and it took some time to adjust, and to understand the cultural roles of Thai households. When I first came here, I was washing my clothes in buckets but after being married for 9 years, I have come to learn that for my wife, it's embarrassing for her and rude for me not to let her cook and clean for me. Her pride comes from her ability to do so.
Henning **********
@Danny ******
exactly 💯
Catherine ***********
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@Danny ******
I specifically said ‘I don’t think Thais are lazy.’ Read. Please. Before responding. Also, I can cook over an open fire and hand wash my clothes too. I’d find that hard though (the cooking part) in a high rise apartment. That’s what I’m talking about. It was made clear in my post when I wrote about differences in urban and rural settings.
Steve *******
@Catherine **********
so what exactly do you want
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@Steve ******
a double sided sink, bc I don’t need a dishwasher; but it’s hard to food prep and do dishes in one small sink (I have two kids that’ll be with me). I’d like a stove top/oven (inside if I have AC, outside if I don’t) and regular size refrigerator. A washing machine would be great bc I do have two kids with me and I’ll be working full-time. So the washers not make or break, but it’d be great.
Nathan ******
@Catherine **********
been here 20 years, never have seen a double sink or an oven, nor have I ever seen what Americans consider a regular sized refrigerator. It's different here than Iowa, maybe you should visit first before believing your preconceptions...and real estate agents are not known for honesty.

Thai people are very capable of cooking without a kitchen and doing laundry for a family without machines while also holding down a job. The problem you will encounter is that unless you can cook Thai food, the ingredients for all your dishes will be expensive or unavailable. Just think about not having an oven and only 1 burner...but you will have a rice cooker and a hot water kettle.

Good luck and don't try to overthink it, you will love the food and people who are quite ingenious when it comes to being self sufficient (wait till you see a full kitchen on a motorcycle selling delicious food, lol)

😉
Steve *******
@Catherine **********
well apartments are available. Do you already have a job and work visa?
Catherine ***********
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@Steve ******
I’ll arrive on my tourist Visa. And I have other income to live on before I find/start work. It is possible to complete everything and even the interview process via Skype but many schools would prefer you be in country. Been researching this part for months and I’ve settled on coming there before deciding on a job. There are just far more opportunities that way! (I’m a certified teacher w my Masters, not just a TEFL certification). My understanding is I’ll be highly competitive for teaching jobs, especially bc I’m willing to take much lower pay than my credentials would normally bring to get settled that first year.
Mary *******
@Catherine **********
be careful as you may be considered a local hire and not get the benefits that an overseas hire would get.
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@Mary ******
Thank you 🙏 From what I understand- bc the positions I’ll apply for are ONLY available to someone from the US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, or sometimes S. Africa- I won’t run into that problem.
Henrik *****
Then you will also get a paycheck that are significant higher than what many thais are getting, (12 hour workdays, 6 days a week, less than 2 weeks holiday every year.)
Danny *******
@Catherine **********
The implications was there when you said they eat out and use laundry services and therefore don't need a kitchen or laundry room. Both not true.
Catherine ***********
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@Danny ******
I learned they eat out bc it’s so affordable there, and use laundry services bc it’s so affordable there, by asking why there were no kitchens and laundry facilities in apartments! I asked HERE actually, and I asked Thai realtors. I am very aware of the traditional Thai outdoor kitchens. I am also aware you can start fires inside apartments. There are clearly differences in rural and urban life. Their are clearly cultural differences. But my point and question are valid, and don’t need nitpicked. I’m excited to get there! I’m don’t dislike Thai people or their culture. We should be able to have conversations about these types of things without finger pointing. Good day.
Kev *********
@Catherine **********
but you did say most Thais eat out. Not so. If alone it makes sense but if living with family communal eating is cheaper.
Jeff *********
@Kev ********
maybe not “eat out” but they sure buy at the “market fair”
Catherine ***********
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@Kev ********
Yes, I’m talking about urban Thai apartments. Everyone commenting that they cook outside….. where? In the parking lot of the condo? I would LOVE to have a traditional Thai outdoor kitchen, but can’t afford a house when I first get there. And “most Thai eat out bc it’s very affordable,” is the answer I got from the realtor who answered my questions by email. His answer makes sense given the prolific street food industry.
Craig *********
@Catherine **********
if your renting a small condo then that condo is probably set up for a single or 2 person family. Like someone mentioned it makes no sense to cook for yourself. In fact it will cost you more to cook in then eat out. Same goes for laundry. Get a large wash bucket and drying rack if you must do it yourself. That what most Thais do. If you want a washing machine go to laundry mat and do it yourself. You’ll need to park the US type housing and lifestyle at the airport when you arrive. That’s western style living is available here but you will be paying western prices (that includes food).
Robert **********
@Catherine **********
Thai people often depend on street food, you go buy what you want, put it out on the table, family style, and dinner is served. The only cooking implement you need is a microwave. They often have a kettle and a rice cooker, but we buy food and rice already prepared on the street, is cheaper than cooking. I have a big old apartment with an old-fashioned, two tub wash machine, and there’s a set up to hang the laundry out the window under an awning. When I lived in a small room, I washed all my clothes by hand. The building has coin machines downstairs, but I never use them.
Paul ********
@Catherine **********
I lived and worked in Bangkok for a decade during the 90's,/early 2000s. . I had a lot of ladies/ gf's , to say the least.

They nearly all did their washing in the bathroom by hand. A lot of them cooked on the balcony.
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@Paul *******
if it were just me, no problem! It becomes a bit harder when working full-time and washing for myself and two kids. Maybe your gf’s were washing for kids, idk. But it seems all the laundry services would be out of business if no one were using them?
Paul ********
@Catherine **********
just to add , when I was single and staying alone , I only washed a few small items by hand, occasionally, I mostly used the coin operated machines or occasionally the full laundry shop for my nicer clothes like dress shirts, trousers etc as they would be ironed as well.
Catherine ***********
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@Paul *******
ya, I’ll be teaching so I need to have my professional clothes looking… well, professional. I may use a laundry service just for those and do the kids’ n my other stuff at home.
Tony ***********
@Catherine **********
lots of Thai women hand wash for their kids. But you can buy a second hand washing machine if you don’t want to. You can find a place with a thai kitchen easily, especially if you don’t want to live in the center of Bkk. You can rent a place with a washing machine and western kitchen easily if you have the money. You probably only want to like in Bkk city center if you have a good job in an international school. If you live somewhere like Chiangmai Mai you can rent a house. Lots of teachers im international schools get jobs before they move to Thailand so it’s worth applying from over seas.
Craig *********
@Catherine **********
just curious. Have you spent any amount of time in Thailand prior to this move?
Danny *******
@Catherine **********
I've never seen a high-rise urban condo with no kitchen at all. They don't have Western ones like you are probably used to but they have at least usually a small hob, sink and refrigerator which is all a Thai needs.
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@Danny ******
can you see what I mean though?…. One small sink and a microwave and fridge- how do they really cook? Unless landlords really don’t mind open grills on balconies? But the balconies were so small, with another floor right above- I really can’t see that being possible. My question was also not so much ‘Is it possible,’ but more ‘do you get used to not being able to be as self-sufficient as kitchens in the West enable you to be?’
Mike *********
@Catherine **********
use electric hot plate that sits on the counter and most often not a gas one. Most high rise condos expressly say no open flames.
Danny *******
@Catherine **********
A gas stove like this and a rice cooker is usually all they need to cook Thai dishes. They just don't need all the stuff we are used to. If you need to cook western dishes it won't be easy but you can get used to it.
Kev *********
@Catherine **********
actually I had microwave and gas camping cooker in the condo I rented. Electric rice cooker....electric bbq

..small balcony.....it can be done with smallest ingenuity.
Catherine ***********
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@Kev ********
good to know! Thank you. Kinda what I figured I’m going to have to do until I know my way around better, decide on the area I REALLY want to be in, and try to rent a home with outdoor kitchen 😊
Kev *********
@Catherine **********
I rent 2 bedroom 3 shower room, inside kitchen, lounge,detached bungalow with garden, 2 car ports, 45 minutes to beaches. 6000/ month
Catherine ***********
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Kev *********
There's a new small development my landlord has built - do you want some pics and prices?
Catherine ***********
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@Kev ********
sure! DM me, thank you 🙏
Kev *********
Kev *********
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