Is it cheaper to live in Thailand than in Australia for expats?

Sep 5, 2024
3 months ago
David ********
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I budget for Bt 100,000 P/M each time I go to Hua Hin, I usually come back having spent only Bt65,000 per month. I actually save money holidaying in Thailand, airfare is $440 for 3 months W.A. to Thailand then back again to Australia, I spend $200 per week on food alone in Aus, nothing like that in Thailand. For a 3-star hotel room in Aus $250/300 per night (in Thailand the same room is $500 per month). For some meals I cook myself and for some I buy, I only accept accommodation I can cook in. At a restaurant in Australia for a nice meal $50 plus and a cheap bottle of wine for 2 people $130 per meal for 2 (and that's cheap in Aus) Yes I save money going now to Thailand for 3 months at a time. The new 60-day tourist visa is good for me, it takes about one hour to get an extension at immigration, so 3 months is no problem. I will not have to apply for the previous 60+ day visa plus 30 day extension which can be complicated. Thailand has now improved. Still TIT.
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An expat shares their experiences of budgeting for living in Thailand, noting significant savings compared to living in Australia. They detail expenses such as food, accommodation, and the benefits of the 60-day tourist visa for easily extending their stay. Comments from others provide additional insights into the cost of living in Thailand versus Australia, suggesting a variety of experiences and perspectives among expats.
Greta *****
How do you save money if you don't have an income while you're holidaying? Unless you have a passive income
David ********
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Greta Guy....Clearly, you have no understanding of the Australian Aged Pension (AAP), so I'll tell you. To get a full AAP of about $29.000 per year including the AAP supplement of $2000 you need to be resident in Aus for 35 years from the age of 16 y/o to 67 y/o and have had to have lived in Aus for over 10 years. provided your additional investments do not exceed $545.000 (about to go up a bit), if they go over this amount you will lose 50 cents in the dollar for each $1000 of your pension. This means you will no longer receive any AAP when your assets exceed about $900.000 and if you live overseas from Aus after 6 weeks of absence you will lose the $2,000 P/Y supplement. Thus leaving you with about $27,000 per year. Provided your assets and income are under the threshold you can have up to that $545,000 and invest it as you wish. 80% of people in Aus keep it in Superannuation as the tax is removed from your fund before the dividend is distributed. This leaves you with no commitment to pay any taxation on your AAP or investments if you have up to $545.000 invested (your money). No more putting in tax returns if over 67 y/o unless your assets are over the $900.000 peg out time.

e.g...If you have an AAP in Aus and $200,000 in a superannuation fund or else, after 6 weeks of living in Thailand you will get $27,000 AAP (being less $2000 AAP supplement) and be required to take a prescribed deduction according to your age of about $12,000 p/y extra. That describes my situation and about 2 million other AAP recipients who live in Aus. The AAP once granted is for life and it matters none where you live in the world provided your assets do not exceed the assets or income level.
David ********
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@Greta ****
I own a house in W.A. with my former wife, she lives in it and I do stay there sometimes. I also have some super retirement funds under the threshold of Centrelinks limit of $545,0000. I also have some savings in ING Bank Australia getting 5.5% interest. So I get mostly the $1116.30 P/F Australian Aged Pension (AAP) $12.000 download from my super as I am required to take it or pay 47% tax if over the required amount., $3000 each year from my savings. In my 3-month trips to Thailand on average, I still get 50% of the AAP supplement, about $40 P/F. I get the single rate of AAP as my ex-wife and I are legally separated Cenrelink's "Living under the one roof separated" is all above board., Anyone in Australia who has lived in Australia and had a regular job for over 35 years is likely to get the same deal from the Australian Government at 67 y/o if you have always had a modest regular job and raised 3 kids...I'm now 82 y/o and still going strong, and I always do my 6 km walk every day for 60 mins. Been doing that for 47 years almost every day... At 82 y/o I'm still going strong and love the LOS. Except for 2 periods when I obtained 2 retirement visas in Aus from the Thai Embassy, I have used tourist visas, I have flited to and from W.A. to Thailand regularly over 15 years.. My AAP and other benefits give me almost $1000 per week free of income tax in Aus. I'm nearly convinced that I will receive the same deal with no tax if I live longer than 6 months in Thailand...but not sure yet. I still love Thailand with all its issues. TIT.
Greta *****
@David *******
Thanks. Didn't realise I'll get the second chapter of your book 'Thailand is NOT Australia' as a response.

However, not sure if you're aware, but you are not eligible to receive your age pension if you reside outside Australia. Just FYI
David ********
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@Greta ****
One word only...rubbish. You only lose the AAP supplement after 6 weeks. $2,000 per year, provided you are within the financial Centrelink threshold...sorry.
Greta *****
@David *******
Ok. Well if you can leave a whole year for $2000 you're a genius! Or do you plan to go to Thailand for 6 weeks, spend the $2000 while you're there and then go back to Australia for the rest of the year and repeat that every year? 🤔
Greta *****
@Lena ******
Ok. I get it. But unless his expenses at home cause him to use his savings to survive he still better off where he can actually have an income. I live in Australia unfortunately and my dream is to come and live in Thailand permanently, but without the ability to earn an income there, as much as the cost of living is way cheaper, I will only be able to sustain myself as long as my savings will last
David ********
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@Greta ****
I am not sure how you are calculating Lena. Any Australian over 67 y/o who qualifies for a full Australian Aged Pension (AAP) and a modest amount of Super can live usually quite OK forever in Thailand even with the AAP not as good but OK to good. Bht 12,000 a week, That, is almost enough to get a retirement visa in Thailand. If you had a regular job in Australia for 35 years your compulsory contributions would easily pay for your Thai Retirement Visa. Perhaps you did not save much...sorry.
Lena *******
@David *******
We are fine. We have money and one pension and no desire to love a Western expensive life. I travelled and lived in London for 23 years so I lived the life I wanted. I think if you have 2500 aud a month it's doable and that includes in hospital insurance
Lena *******
Greta, we are both struggling with living in Australia. We are not like some of the wealthy expats and we're middle aged (a bit beyond...) but we are trying to get DTV. It's a risk like anything in life however Australia is just going to get more expensive. We do not aspire to have a replicated Western life which would be expensive. You could teach English as a second language perhaps.
Lena *******
@Greta ****
That is a very good point. I suppose he's not making money but he says since his living costs are less he feels like he's saving money.
Bee *****
Thanks
Greta *****
Hey you should write a book called 'Thailand is NOT Australia '. You already have your first chapter written in this post...
Greta *****
@David *******
You can stay an extra month if you like. Go to immigration and extend. Or is your plane ticket unchangeable?
David ********
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Well on this trip to Thailand, I only decided to go for 2 months and booked accommodation and a plane ticket too early for those 2 months. Now that the visa you get on arrival is available I'll be staying for 3 months next time. I previously obtained a 30-day extension at Blupoint Shopping Centre Immigration Hua Hin for Bt1900. It's now a bit easier??? and lots of smiles (LOS).
David ********
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@Greta ****
...I only comment on matters in Thailand that I have personal experience with. I'll be back in LaCalista Hua Hin in 11 days very soon. Thailand this time only for 2 months as I made my bookings before the visa on arrival went from 30 days to 60 days. Next time it will be back to 60+30 extension visa on arrival. By then Thailand may have changed things again. Cambodia and the Philippines ahoy. TIT.
Us *****
Thailand is for the rich and the poor. Trust me, if you party it right in Bangkok, it cost the same as the west.
Von ******
@Us ****
more even!
David *********
No doubt wine is vastly cheaper in Australia and BYO , I could go any places for 2 for $60 plus my Dan's wine .

That being said I have lived in HH 7 years , and my rent for a small house is around 10.5 k baht a month , always think in baht , exchange rates are exchange rates .

Invest in Australia , maintain tax status and reside in Thailand if you are healthy, which I am .
Thaimer ******
Cheap wine in Australia is still probably cheaper than cheap wine in Thailand. Other than that…
Robert *********
What or where is WA?
Dean *********
@Robert ********
Western Australia.
Robert *********
@Dean ********
are there towns and cities in these states you speak of? And do the natives speak English there?
Greta *****
@Robert ********
We call it Weird Australia (WA)
Robert *********
@Dean ********
is that a city or province?
Dean *********
@Robert ********
Province...we call them states
Alan **********
Australia sucks 😕.
Jim ************
@Alan *********
shit yes like nz
Marky *******
Yea mate I'm there all the time.. visa runs to Bali
Craig **********
As I have retired in Thailand obviously I agree however have another mate from Perth who predominantly does the same to Vietnam (Vung Tau) on a 3mth multi entry visa ($35 USD). Everything stated above for less than half the cost with beers about a quarter. If this income tax on retirees gets too hard that’s where I’ll go next.

Definitely worth a look!!
Marky *******
@Craig *********
a lot of expats EFT vung tau and went to cambodia because of 30 day visa runs
Manfred ******
I love Pattaya, mostly the 34 degrees and humidity of about 85% but best of all is the sewage smell wiff you get everywhere, not to mention the rubbish on the small streets where the bush grows on the road sides.
Murray *******
@Manfred *****
Sewerage smell??? You talking nonsense, sober up.
Steve **********
Von ******
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a night for 3 star accommodation??? You are a tripper!!!

You are over inflating prices to suit whatever narrative you are trying to entertain to get likes.

5 Star QT Hotel in Perth is currently $278 PER Night!!!

So there goes your story.
James ********
@Von *****
always a negative neville soon sticks up his grubby paw.

Go back to sleep mate.
Koos *********
I like thailand, but the rental , tax and insurance cost in my home town stay hi also.
Matt ********
Yeah I'm in Australia and thinking about spending 1 or 2 weeks per month there and running my business the other 2 weeks here. I can earn $8k aud in 10 days if I bust ass. And relax the other 2 weeks.
Kel ********
@Matt *******
That’s a lot of travelling, would drive me crazy being on a plane that much!
Matt ********
@Kel *******
I'd give a crack for a while. I'm 7 years from a retirement visa. If monthly is too much travel for me I'd cut back to every 2 months maybe, my missus wants my kids to go to school in China so I'd be closer to them
John ********
@Kel *******
I worked out of Udon Thani for eleven years travelling long haul at least half a dozen times a year, plus domestic flights to DMK., then later Suvarnabhum. The flying didn't really bother me, it was all the security at airports that go me down. Mind you that's is better than another
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Matt ********
Once a month pretty much so 12x
John ********
@Matt *******
I used to do every thirty days, sometimes for a few months when work was scarce. Never got questioned and I used to border bounces everytime. It wasn't until ten years after I moved to Thailand that I got Red stamped. So did ok. Still let me in for thirty days, so went back to my country and got a non O multiple entry.
Kel ********
@John *******
Half a dozen times a year is one thing but he’s talking about every 2 weeks, that’s like 26 times a year!
Murray *******
Sounds like a good scheme, especially if you still have family in Australia.

At least you have a good budget.. Many guys come here with minimal funds.

I'm from nz ,been living in Pattaya 8 years, with own condo.

It's still paradise, to me...
John *******
@Murray ******
I'm from NZ too and have a small apartment. NZ is incredibly expensive now and I can live happily for a month here on what I carefully spent a week over there. Pattaya is indeed paradise!
Murray *******
@John ******
yeah, such a pity really, so many people leaving nZ for Australia, but it's also very expensive there..

For me.... My main reason, is the warmer weather, I get arthritis in Auckland.. Happy friendly people in Thailand. NZ too much aggro and racist problems.
Ron ******
@Murray ******
My Thai wife of 18 years are heading back to Thailand when I retire next year. We live in Akl, the traffic is crazy, ugly overpriced shoebox apartments going up everywhere, murders and shootings almost a daily event, councils that don’t have a clue! Roll on 2025 when my biggest hassle will be spending a day or two a year renewing my EOS!
Murray *******
@Ron *****
sounds good, best to wait until your entitled to pension, spent 180 days in nz ,before you apply.

You should get full pension entitlement, if you have lived 540months in nz, non taxed...

I worry about my 17 yr old grandson, in Auckland, he's very small, it's not safe on buses, service stations, or even at the supermarket...
John *******
@Murray ******
Yes, many Kiwis are leaving and I know of some very unhappy people remaining behind. I agree with every reason you have for being here in Pattaya. I get arthritis too but can buy medication here at my local pharmacy and don't have to wait 3-4 weeks before I can see a doctor like I do in NZ. I should have moved here years before I did!
Jim ************
@John ******
yes good idea not looking forward to going back in a few weeks crime is out of control,just about a murder everyday cost of living through the roof, same as australia now was working there for six mnths in the goldcoast
John *******
@Jim ***********
At the very least, the weather is getting better there but that's small compensation for the rest of the stuff that's going off and yes the cost of living is a real killer. My sister in the UK states the same but foodstuff from NZ in the UK are better quality and cheaper than what they are in NZ and they are transported to the other side of the world....so what's all that about? Even EVs have got to pay RUCs now too. The government is driving people out of the country in droves, I wonder who is orchestrating it and why?
Jim ************
@John ******
yes its getting worse john
Jim ************
@Murray ******
from nz wow im going back there in a few weeks currently in thailand im only 61 another four yrs until i retire so have to go back n work trying to find a rental over there will be hard work.
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