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Why do some foreigners feel mistreated by Thai immigration, and how can the process be improved?
Thailand ImmigrationForeigners in ThailandVisa ProcessCultural DifferencesExpat CommunityUsing Immigration AgentsBureaucracy in ThailandTravel ExperiencesThai Culture
Aug 17, 2023
3 years ago
Huafeng ******
ORIGINAL POSTERimm ……even the guard is so arrogant and terrible when you drive or bike inside the Chiangmai imm….for all Farangs…who bring money and pension to thailands….oh, welcome to smile Thailand……what’s your idea?
TLDR : Answer Summary
The discussion revolves around the experiences of foreigners dealing with Thai immigration, particularly in Chiang Mai. Many expats express frustration over the perceived arrogance of immigration staff, comparing their treatment to that in other countries. Some share their strategies for navigating the immigration process, including using agents to avoid long waits and stressful interactions. Others emphasize the importance of respect and cultural understanding, suggesting that many frustrations stem from miscommunication and differing expectations. The conversation highlights a mix of opinions regarding immigration efficiency, cultural integration, and the evolving dynamics of hospitality as tourism increases.
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Simon **********
I find the whole mindset that Thailand should be grateful for your patronage quite bemusing. You weren't invited, you came and asked if you could stay, and they agreed. Your pension isn't going to get them setting off fireworks. Be grateful, not arrogant.
Zoe ******
@Simon *********
agree 100%. people who hold certain passports (US/UK/EU etc) don't understand that other people with more restricted passports have to go through so much more to even get a tourist visa to visit other countries. I don't hear Thai people complaining about having to go through a whole interview process just to get a tourist visa to visa the US!Simon **********
@Z**
ye I have had to go through the mill getting my wife a visa for the UK and Europe a few times and it's horrendous. I wonder how many foreigners would be happy if somebody chose to go to their home country and treated everyone as if they should bow down with gratitude for them being there?Zoe ******
@Simon *********
Right! I'm a second generation immigrant. Back in the 90s, it took my father almost 5 years to get a visa approved to be allowed to visit the US....I'm a US citizen and I see it all the time that people with US/UK/EU passports feel entitled to be allowed in any country of their choice without questions asked.Reply to
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Ken ******
whatever you say, read
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/thailand-retirement-visa-rules/Mzwaks ************
Was treated well in Malaysia the queue was super long but was given the first world class service
Huafeng ******
ORIGINAL POSTERHope when next summer at 40 degree weather, the imm will not let all Farangs in CM stay outside waiting hours for even your queue number is called….some 70+, some even with a feeding baby…..peace
Brian ********
You're retired. What's the rush?
Jo **********
during Covid I went there many times to extend visa they were warm and nice to me. Many of my friends also said how polite. Did you behave badly? you should be honest
Bonnie *********
The OPs FB page says he's from, and lives in, Chiang Mai.
I must question why he needs to go to immigration for any reason.
I must question why he needs to go to immigration for any reason.
Bonnie *********
Just stop. Park your bike and be like everyone else.
Justin *********
That feeling when you expected to be welcomed like the fabulous god you are, but first you have to fill out paperwork just like everybody else . . .
Bill ********
Trying to figure out his point.
Edna *******
Respect is appropriate around the world. How would you like to deal with Thailand’s mountain of paperwork , day in and day out? They are kind, helpful and do the best they can for low pay.
Steve ********
Oh Lord! Another entitled foreigner in Thailand. Perhaps if you let the immigration office know the day before, they'd lay out the red carpet for you
John-Paul ******
Question.... would you complain in the US... or anywhere on the EU? Sure you would. So what makes Thailand so "entitled "? Their house their rules ...yes. Abide by them? Yes. But there does come a point where even my Thai friends shout back at those not doing their jobs. Personally... I don't. I stay out of it and follow the queue. But I do laugh even if only quietly to myself.
Bonnie *********
@John-Paul *****
I bring something to read. Not difficult.Reply to
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@Steve *******
they always do it for me and pick up me with a huge MercedesReply to
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Droid *********
I remember this place,
Lauren *******
It's unique for each individual. Honestly, worst treatment for me has come from other foreigners. Government jobs in my home country are boring for workers and talk to many people that don't understand process/ language. Same same.
Brown ********
Government are not their to make friends. Money is their only focus. I've never received or expected a friendly exchange with immigration. All I care about is getting my stuff approved and done.
เตเต้ ******
Honestly never had any issues at an in country immigration office here. Always been at consulates and checkpoints and even then wasn’t that bad.
Try getting out of Bogotá and into the US with just a stamp and a smile.
Try getting out of Bogotá and into the US with just a stamp and a smile.
Michael ********
Just as bad if not worse in Hong Kong, try getting a smile there
Gio *****
I don't understand, here they always wait for me with the red carpet, using Mercedes to pick up me home with a beautiful girl for driver
Gary ****
My local office is superb. We call the main guy 'smiler' cos he's always got a great big smile. In and out in 5 minutes usually 👊
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@Gary ***
I wondervif that's owt to do with the envelopes?Reply to
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Dan ********
Dealing with the public in general can be hard work at times,dealing with foreigners who ask the same questions all the time and don’t speak any of the language would be infinitely more aggravating.As long as I get the info I need I don’t care if it doesn’t come with a smile every time…that said,I’ve never had anything but very helpful staff when dealing with CM immigration
John *******
It's thailand and nothing happens fast in paradise and you need to adapt to thai pace of life remember even if you retire and live there it is still their country and if the house rules are not to your liking than find a house where the rules are to your liking nobody is holding you there simple 😀
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@John ******
this comment is highly underratedReply to
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Eddie *******
Krabi Imm is simply the best.
Mma *******
Yes its true the locals are 'burnt out' with visitors- a victim of their own tourism success.
Craig ********
Thailand now they are doing well because of tourism, we are not treated special anymore, the other Asian countries are far better to live in now, the Philippines is still a great place to live for expats, we are still treated well and treated special, Thailand has lost its shine, the people don’t smile as much anymore, they are used to us, you can still go to many places in the Philippines where people haven’t even seen a foreigner
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@Craig *******
Thailand has changed in my 20 odd years..2 coups, a third ongoing, 2 kings covid, supply chain profiteering, but all countries are experiencing problems. This too, shall pass.
Or relocate !
Todd *********
@Craig *******
I’m a big fan of Philippines but it’s a good 15-20 years behind Thailand for infrastructure and development. And that will only get worse, not better. As a place to live, Thailand is far, far aheadCraig ********
@Todd ********
Yes you are right, but it comes down to what you want from where you decide to live, there are some expat locations that have improved 10 fold over the years, because of expat influence, the Philippines-for me is the simplistic lifestyle and the local interactions, the people are just hands down amazing to live amongst, the Thais are becoming bored with us and are even starting to be rude, I can stay home in Australia and get that lol , you would be surprised how good you can live in the Philippines now, if you have moneyTodd *********
@Craig *******
I wouldn’t be surprised at all. One can live very well there indeed. You just have to be more selective about location. And the visa process is easy there also. One could live very comfortable indeed in El Nido or other parts of Palawan, Panglao, Boracay would be interesting, Coron, Siargao etc. Even Manila and Cebu city have enough expensive areas that you could live well. In a world increasingly full of immigrants and expats, the lines are more blurred than ever when we refer to ‘the people’ of any nation. The blender is in full force. But I very much like the ‘happy’ countries like Philippines, Thailand, Mexico and Sri lanka.
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@Todd ********
you right and you not mentioned the food, safety, roads and hospitalsCraig ********
@Gio ****
Thai food is by far the best in the world, that’s my opinion and I am sure many would agree, hospitals are good and a huge difference, but those two if they were my biggest concerns, I would live in Thailand, but the Philippines is way ahead in a lot more ways, and it’s what has made my decision every time I visit ThailandTodd *********
@Craig *******
in what ways do you find the Philippines ahead??Here is where I find Thailand ahead:
-medical and hospitals. Light years ahead
- internet - miles ahead
- tourism infrastructure
-airports
-easy access international flights
- ferries
-domestic travel
-food -Again the difference is massive
-manufacturing and agriculture
- home construction
-access to western goods and luxury products
Even cost of living is remarkably close depending how you live. And Thailand should be far more expensive
Craig ********
@Todd ********
Did you really read anything I said, I didn’t need to make a list to know all what you said, I said it in a few words, of course Thailand is way ahead of the Philippines in so many ways , but so is Australia and the UK and many other countries, but if you read what I said correctly you will know, the only thing that matters to me and why I choose the Philippines and why I think it is ahead of Thailand is the people, that’s the only reason I need, I can’t stand the twang accent of the Thai language and accent, same as nearly every other Asian country, the Philippines girls are beautiful and their accent is over the top sexy, and all the girls speak English, the Spanish influence of 300 years occupation has made the girl’s gorgeous, that’s why they win miss universe so many times, because you didn’t listen the first time I will repeat again, it’s the Philippines people, the Filipina, that’s why I will never want to be anywhere else, the Thai people no longer care much for foreigners anymore, they once did , but not now, the Filipinos love us and treat us like we are special, or did you not catch that one on my first comment as wellTodd *********
@Gio ****
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Ben *****
I actually hate dealing with immigration and have used an agent for the past 3 years... have never stepped into an office since Covid. Some people say its a waste of money and you can do it yourself, but I dont consider the money to be a significant amount considering the time and hassle you save. Time is money.
David ********
@Ben ****
yep never stepped inside an immigration office unless it’s for a photo money well spent some will say it’s money wasted ….that all depends on your disposable income…. !!!Reply to
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Mark *********
Ever tried lining up in an Australian Dept of a transport centre 😄, I feel for the staff
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@Mark ********
It's not as bad there and takes far less time.Ben *****
@Mark ********
Or the DMV in the US. There are services that require a fee up to a hundred USD to save your place in line...thats how bad it is.Mark *********
@Ben ****
sad sign of the times, but not great big problems in the grand scheme of things 🙏Reply to
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Huafeng ******
ORIGINAL POSTERHi，All， just a casual posts…don’t take it too seriously, cause not easy to change any shits in imm….just wanna know different ideas….peace….
Bashir *******
Thais have to deal with the same beaucracy and headache in their own lives. For house registrations, taxes, business etc.
Kurt ********
Just finished my extension. The place is really undersized for all the "customers". The new stuff was friendly doing their best even with a smile, despite the heavy work burden. I am not missing the old stuff.
Sid *******
Many Thais who aren't fluent in English speak the same way they would speak Thai. To foreigners it sounds rude. That's why they use ka and krap in their own language to show they are being polite. When they speak English that doesn't transfer over especially if their English is very limited.
Thomas *********
@Sid ******
you are very limitedGreg ********
@Sid ******
farang frustration often comes across as rudeness or anger and they take it personal when its not directed at them personally. Its gotten worse since covid. customer service has gone into the shitter almost everywherePaul *******
@Greg *******
What is also rude to us foreigners anyway, is Thais who still wear those anti-social masks.Ruth *******
Paul James that’s on you, not them. Their personal choice is not “rude”. Btw, masking preceded COVID. It’s time to get over your knee-jerk reaction.
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Steve **********
You do know Imm read your fb texts, eh.
There's your answer !
There's your answer !
Оливер *********
Many years ago I was as at jomtien immigration at 8 in the morning. When it was my turn something was missing. I went out to get it and when I returned it was ten to twelve. The officer at the door said come back at two it's closed. I showed him the ticket and told him, no it's not twelfe it's ten to. He grabbed my passport and my ticket and chucked it out the door into the yard. Nice one!
Richard ********
@Оливер ********
I would have done the same, he is the one in charge of who enters and when not you. If you cannot speak Thai take someone who does.Reply to
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Chris ***********
Sorry to hear that. Here in Nong Bua Lam Phu it's quite the opposite. They are always very pleasant and beyond helpful. Sometimes they even fill out the paper work and point to where to sign.
Huafeng ******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Chris **********
OMG! Can not believe…..really!Jean-Remy ********
@Huafeng *****
I think it’s like in our countries.. the most people they got and then scammers. The most they become grumpy…Richard ********
@Huafeng *****
same experience for me in Udon Immigration, could not be more helpful, maybe it’s not the IO, think about that and your reply here.If you said something smart like that to me as an IO, I would make sure you were begging before you got even a 90 day report. 🫣😢
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@Richard *******
Before Nong Bua had an office I used Udon Thani also. Same as you, I was treated nicely and they sometimes filled out paperwork as well. Generally Thai govt officials do as they are treated. Respect earns respectClive *******
@Chris **********
thats good news i have to go there at the end of the month for the first timeReply to
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Jeff *******
Think it depends on what immigration, surat thani has been the easiest so far.
Alessandro **********
All my respect bro. It takes courage to do such a post with all the apologists and Koh Phangan vegan freaks hanging around here 😀
Ruth *******
@Alessandro *********
what does being vegan have to do with any of this?Reply to
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George *********
Thais appear brash when their English is negligible. They don't know the subtleties.
Therefore a guard might say..mai dai..cannot..in a manner (aggressive)to convey his order.
Therefore a guard might say..mai dai..cannot..in a manner (aggressive)to convey his order.
George *********
..instead of. I'm sorry you can't park there (UK version)
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Frank **********
If some foreigners didn't wait until the last minute maybe the wait times would be more bearable.
Frank **********
Not all foreigners are nice. I have seen many being rude to Immigration Officers. I would probably be rude too if I had a slob foreigner sitting across the way from me with a flimsy undershirt, dirty shorts and 50 baht flip flops and looks like he crawled out of an alley.
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@Frank *********
So? You don't take it out on an innocent person, just because you're having a shitty day. Just like an expat or foreigner shouldn't take things out on a random Thai, just because they got screwed by another Thai.Reply to
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Andrew *****
That security guard is a human being and probably has family to feed, and maybe was in the same traffic you were in getting there.
Use an agent or go before lunch until you are to Que again inside then when they go to lunch you go to lunch
Well that is what I do
Cheers!
Use an agent or go before lunch until you are to Que again inside then when they go to lunch you go to lunch
Well that is what I do
Cheers!
George *********
@Andrew ****
I would rather queue than give an agent my money!Ruth *******
@George ********
so, you were not one of the people I was talking about. You should have read what was in the parentheses and not taken my point so personally.Ruth *******
@George ********
and if that’s your choice, don’t complain (I’m not saying you did…I’m not scrolling through to check) about the queues while talking about how much money you’re adding to the economy.George *********
@Ruth ******
and it IS MY CHOICE how to perform my extension. Do you use an agent? From your post I assume you do
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@George ********
what I do at the immigration office is actually irrelevant. What I don’t do is make a choice then blame others for my choice. In this case, these folks made multiple choices:1). Moving to Thailand. Living in Thailand is not a right. It’s a privilege and immigration involves some hoops. Anyone who didn’t know this didn’t do adequate research.
2). Staying in Thailand. They can always leave. Westerners are grotesquely privileged. We have so many choices as to where to live. We can so easily move about. The whining truly makes me sick.
3). They could get an Elite Visa. No more lines.
4). They could hire an agent.
They are apparently swimming in so much cash and independently propping up the whole nation of Thailand that, IF they want to stay despite how infuriating the country is, they could just throw a few bucks at the problem.
George *********
@Ruth ******
so you are talking about yourself. Although you sheepishly, avoid the questionRuth *******
@George ********
the question is irrelevantGeorge *********
@Ruth ******
my original comment was..Andrew Soe I would rather queue than give an agent my money!People can do as they wish. I'm happy to use the qr code, book an appointment, pay 1900 baht and be on my way.
BTW. You generalise too much
George *********
@Ruth ******
why are you putting words into my mouth?!!!Adding to economy?
Complaining?
Queues?
I never mentioned ANY of those!!!!
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@George ********
did you read what was in the parentheses? You are ok with the queues…great! My issue is with the whiny brats saying they have sooooo much money they’re spending in Thailand that the nation (including apparently immigration officers) should be groveling at their feet. If they have the “fortunes” they claim, they would either pay an agent or buy an elite visa. People with such money know that time is money. If the queues are creating them stress, they would pay to avoid them.
I made a point of saying that I didn’t scroll through the comments to see if you were one of those, so it was clear that comment was not directed AT you as opposed to being a comment in regards to your response.
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@Ruth ******
if you are so inconvenient, then why not look at Viet Nam or Laos?Ruth *******
@David *******
where have I complained that I was inconvenienced? I’m not the one whining about immigration 🤣🤣🤣George *********
@Ruth ******
I'm happy to pay 1900 baht for my extension each year.Some are happy to pay
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first year and 12 to *****
thereafter. I am not one of those people.
I am happy to wait my turn in a queue
Last extension I used the QR code and booked for an afternoon appointment.
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Simon ******
Any person in the world working with human tragic answering the same questions daily over and over and people in panic. Would wipe the smile of anyone’s face
Billie-Joe ********
@Simon *****
I was going to say this. There were many, but for 12 years I listened to people ask “what beer do you sell” when arriving at the bar, with all the beers clearly labelled with shiny, bright, white lights in front of them. Or “where is the toilet”, while standing in front of 1 of 12 signs and arrows. Dealing with the general public on a daily basis is soul sucking. I too would give back the same attitude I was being dealt.🤣
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Richard ********
What a load of crap, my experience with Immigration has always been very good, quick, polite and know there jobs, certainly that is the case in Udon.
Haven’t seen people lined up like that since Covid hit and went and by the end there was no out side waiting. In fact I would say they are more efficient since Covid.
There are times when they are very busy and you may have to wait 45min.
Better than most Aust state government departments, in particular the Aust federal gov departments are terrible.
Never used an agent and don’t think I will, don’t report on line I go in every 90 days and say hi for all of 5 minutes.
We work it in with our trips to town and my cigs and bottlo shop is just around the corner.😜
Haven’t seen people lined up like that since Covid hit and went and by the end there was no out side waiting. In fact I would say they are more efficient since Covid.
There are times when they are very busy and you may have to wait 45min.
Better than most Aust state government departments, in particular the Aust federal gov departments are terrible.
Never used an agent and don’t think I will, don’t report on line I go in every 90 days and say hi for all of 5 minutes.
We work it in with our trips to town and my cigs and bottlo shop is just around the corner.😜
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@Richard *******
Udon is heaven compared to any other immigration office. They even do all the paperwork for you. Only sit,sign some papers and smile and in 15-25 min ur out.Huafeng ******
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@Richard *******
Nah, Thai immigration is much worse than any government departments in Australia, where most things can now be accomplished online. Now that being said, smaller immigration offices in upcountry Thailand are quite OK, owing to the small number of foreigners that use their services.Dimitri ********
@Richard *******
Go to Bangkok. They treat you worse than a dog.Marianne ********
@Dimitri *******
never been treated bad at Bangkok Immigration.Richard ********
@Dimitri *******
don’t live in Bangkok would be my out come, I believe Pattaya is the same and Phuket not far behind.Reply to
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Todd *********
Richard Julius that’s because nobody wants to live in Udon. However, in desireable locations, immigration is jammed
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@Todd ********
you obviously have never lived anywhere in Isaan, rural or city.So you won’t appreciate the people or the rural lifestyle so I’ll leave you with your desirable and I’ll keep my not so desirable. Good luck
Todd *********
Richard Julius oh I appreciate it. And you are likely very safe in keeping it.
I personally wouldn’t live there, but hey, everyone is different. The lack of desire to live there is reflected in the relative lack of population there. Best of luck!
I personally wouldn’t live there, but hey, everyone is different. The lack of desire to live there is reflected in the relative lack of population there. Best of luck!
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Francesco **********
what?! do u know that u could easily skip all this if u paid an agent? 1k baht (or whatever it is) is definitely more worth than wasting several hours sitting in a chicken box…..
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@Francesco *********
but he has sooooo much money to spare that he’s contributing to growing Thailand. 🤣🤣🤣Reply to
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Carsten **********
there is a big parking place opposite the road for parking when the Immigration place has no place for parking (only drive through), please explain what your suggestion is to improve. (Don't complain, but come up with ideas of (realistic) improvements, you are a guest of a country where you do not earn privileges because of money or pensions).
Robert ********
Dance farang , dance.
Greg ********
@Robert *******
we are the new class of rich refugees. can't afford or can't stand our home countries anymore so we must accept our fate and this is it. i can tango too.... which is best?😂Reply to
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Jhon *******
Lost in translation i'm afraid????
Jo **********
get an LTR visa they you will not need to go
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@Jo *********
You will for the yearly check-in. Unless you do that by mail or online.Jo **********
@Paul ******
i fly out every 6 weeks so it keeps be extendedReply to
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Luc ************
Whats your point?
Todd *********
Anyone wondering why agents are thriving in Thailand lol? Can't imagine sitting like a dog in this lineup.
George *********
@Todd ********
I'll do anything to avoid agentsTodd *********
@George ********
I have no doubt. I value my time and money, so fully understand why agents are thriving. Your results may varyGeorge *********
@Todd ********
so you use an agent?Todd *********
@George ********
I don’t anymore. But certainly did. Fantastic serviceGeorge *********
@Todd ********
are you not living in Thailand now?Todd *********
George Holland still living here most of the time. Great travel base
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@Todd ********
how do you manage your stay here?..if I may be so bold to askTodd *********
LTR. It’s is the best visa option they have ever had in this country. Otherwise would still use an agent
George *********
@Todd ********
each to their own-enjoyTodd *********
@George ********
By far the best way to do it in Thailand. Even easier than an agent. Only one escorted visit to immigration per decade. Will definitely enjoy. You tooReply to
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Has Todd deleted his schmuck comment to me?George *********
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are you calling me a schmuck?George *********
No answer Todd?
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Ni**
You have understood "Mai pen lai" lifestyle wrong. In Thailand you gotta smile and take it in the ass, no matter what.
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@Ni**
No you don't except maybe at immigration. They literally decide whether you can stay or not.Mark ********
@Paul ******
We should all f off to Vietnam. They have just reintroduced their 90-day visa which you can extend and extend and extend...no immigration to deal with, no 90 day reporting. Its pretty good.Steve ********
@Mark *******
Perhaps you should just do that. I'm happy here. I have a 365-day visa which I can just keep extending and extending.Mark ********
@Steve *******
Who am I trying to kid. I'm like a pig in the shit in Phuket. 🐖Reply to
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@Ni**
give as much of a shit about everything not directly important the same way as they do, then it's all good .. sabai sabai 😁😁Reply to
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Graham *******
Jomtien is fine, well organized and polite so long as you are!
Martin *********
@Graham ******
should always be polite to anyone.Graham *******
@Martin ********
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Huafeng ******
ORIGINAL POSTERYes, no complaints, just follow smiles…you guys are right…right…enjoy
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I don't smile at work either.
Johan ********
Another reason to use an agent…
Jeffrey *********
@Johan *******
I use an agent for two reasons, the amount of paperwork required by immigration is ridiculous.And secondly I simply don't wish to ever have to spend one minute of my life in there or talk to those people..
If people enjoy their immigration experience I am truly happy for them, continue and enjoy..
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@Jeffrey ********
110% agree with you. That's exactly why I have used an agent in the past (well, partly because of the uncertainty during Covid as well, not knowing what kind of BS with regards to forcing foreigners to wear masks, get tested or show proof of vaccination to get into immigration) I didn't want to deal with that.Now it's back to 12 month multiple entry marriage visas obtained outside the country. I constantly travel for work anyway and I'd much rather travel once a year to a friendly consulate, spending 1-5 minutes lining up and submitting my documents than dealing with immigration every 3 months, spending hours in a queue each time.
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Garrett ***********
Bro, you madd?
Pascal ********
Time for some to fly back home if Thailand is a bit too much for them 🙂
Edgar ************
Anyone who works in immigration is a miserable soulless sack of shit. It's the same all over the world
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@Ned *******
agree... Many Aholes around the world immi. ... A buddy had to endure insult when his german wife's visa was up for renewal... Rude malaysian immi guy said " your wife is very beautiful. Did you bring her in for prostitution?"...Edgar ************
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Robert **********
Ned Focker yes try going to a us embassy as an expat or for a visa for your partner- or for that matter you Americans – the state department’s of motor vehicles where you get car licenses- the hatred and bitterness in those places far exceeds anything I’ve seen in thai immigration.
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@Robert *********
actually got treated very well at the US Embassy in Bangkok and then very offhandedly at immigration in New York. One of the snottiest I've come across was at the island of St Helena, jumped up prycke. He felt it was part of the "job" to be awkward. I doubt if he did a 40 hour year.Robert **********
@Arthur *******
staff at US embassy were never rude to me but I interpret their reducing services and long appointment times as anti-expat, plus the plethora of us whose partners cannot get tourist visas in spite of good jobs, passport full of stamps etc.Arthur ********
@Robert *********
to be fair I am going back to 1998. 😁Reply to
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@Ned *******
yes I've experienced some realky snotty ones but also a few who were genuinely helpful.Brian *******
@Ned *******
Very TrueRandy *********
Ned Focker hmmm… my experience is exactly the opposite. Almost without exception the IOs have been helpful, patient and have worked to help me resolve whatever issue I was dealing with. Perhaps the problem isn’t the IOs Focker?
Pete **********
@Ned *******
Well guess Ned Focker wont be getting any extension stamps in his passport again. They will be waiting for you with a big smile on their faces next time you turn up at immigration!!!Edgar ************
@Pete *********
Don't need extension loser. I'm on a diplomatic visa with full immunity. Im talking about the passport officers with the miserable faces and grunts at the airportChris ********
@Ned *******
sure that's why you were asking questions about a TR visa previously and 90 day reporting. 🤦Pete **********
@Ned *******
yea sure you are - more likely living in some low end hole of Chiang mai and probably begging on the streets for a few baht!Richard ********
@Ned *******
You sure are quite the diplomat 🤣Greg ********
@Ned *******
Indeed, the last time i went thru customs i couldn't help but laugh at him. I'm wondering if fast track would be a little betterReply to
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@Ned *******
Is your name really Focker? What were you called at school??🤣Reply to
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You're right
Brandon ************
I'd probably be rude too to a foreigner that thinks we need them and their money is the only thing keeping my country afloat.
Thailand would adapt and get along just fine without it.
Thailand would adapt and get along just fine without it.
Milad ********
@Brandon ***********
Thailand completely exists because of foreigners. Even majority of Thais or Siamese are Chinese or Indian decent. Or from surrounding countries. Read some Thai history even recently from 100 or 50 years ago until now to understand about Thailand.Steve *******
@Milad *******
You are so wrong. Where do you get your ideas from? Thailand existed just fine before foreigners or tourism. Read some proper history!Milad ********
@Steve ******
I have lived in Thailand for a long-time with my family and long-term Thai resident and fluent in Thai language. Definitely know about Thailand and its history more than you staying in London, UK. One of the or the best industry of Thailand is tourism bringing billions of dollars every year. If no tourism or foreigners Thailand would be poor like Laos, Cambodia or Myanmar.Reply to
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@Milad *******
That has NOTHING to do with this post.Milad ********
@Brandon ***********
It does. Your bra. in just doesn't get it that where did Thais and Siamese come from/ their ethnicities? There are many foreigners who became Thai citizens or PR holders. Some are not good enough so you do Visa extensions until end of your life.Brandon ************
@Milad *******
America completely exists because of foreigners then? And they should be thankful for people that want to go to America? Someone should tell the guards at the southern border that.Every country in the world exists because of immigrations where human life started in Africa. How far do you want to go back?
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@Brandon ***********
rude plus rude = worse, why not use your and/or knowledge to improve situations, so I don't have to pull your load while troubleshooting societyRonald ************
i like the immigration offices and the people working there, when its less than a two hour turnaround that is
Ronald ************
and heck my first year i had to make 2 or 3 trips for extensions
Ronald ************
actually i see 'em every 90 days and 99% of the time i witness pleasant reaction to rudeness, i'm just saying we have the ability to improve our path, help out a peer, so i don't have to work so hard at it?
Roberto *********
@Ronald ***********
Why do keep going back to immigration? I go once a year, make an appointment, in and out in 30 minutes. Many farangs seem to make life very hard for themselvesReply to
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@Ronald ***********
because it's what they deal with all day every day. You're seeing them once a year. They have to deal with rude farang every day.Reply to
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Roberto *********
Fuck-all to do with covid. They were already on the road to ruin, and you seriously believe a few Western tourists will save them? 😂😂😂
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@Brandon ***********
not al immigrants are created equal, but there is little doubt that educated and/or self financing immigrants aren't a net plus for the receiving country.Roberto *********
@Dimitri *******
What economic damage? I don't see any. I still see new rail lines opening and being built. The Bangkok skyline is filled with cranes building new office blocks and condominiums. The Thai Baht is very strong on world markets. Tourists are flooding back into the country again. I can't see the problem. This post appears to be how one miserable retiree believes that retirees in Thailand are propping up the economy. Some people are really deluded. Hoping that Big Joke raises the ante for retirees and abolishes the "agent loans". We'll see some real crying then!Jeffrey ************
@Roberto ********
Try counting the empty shops.Roberto *********
@Jeffrey ***********
None to countReply to
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@Roberto ********
You see no economic damage? Household debt in Thailand is highest in the world. Number of tourists are still down and the owns who visit are mainly from India with less money. Thai Bahts strong? Please check again. It is going down together with the Chinese economy. Visit a tourist place, market, town and walk into a street going away from the main road. Shops restaurants still closed after Covid because there is no money to open them again. It seems to me that there is a lot you do not see.Roberto *********
@Dimitri *******
I see all the shops and businesses which have opened since covid. I don't see many closed up shops around Bangkok. I see Russians flooding into Phuket and buying condos and businesses. You think the western tourists are big spenders? Take a look through some of these groups and see how many are "what's the cheapest way to get here and there?" "Where are the cheapest restaurants?" Most western tourists eat in 7-11 stores, and always have done. So what if the biggest tourist groups are Indian and Chinese? You really believe western tourists are going to drive the Thai economy? Stay away from the hooch shops buddy, it's killing your brain cells.Dimitri ********
@Roberto ********
quote: "The average debt per household stands at 272,528 baht in 2023, a rise of 25.04% over 2022. The figures illustrate the highest level in the 14 years the survey has been conducted. " ****************************************************************************
%20average%20debt%20per%20household,s%20when%20they%20retire.Ruth *******
@Dimitri *******
did you actually read the article you posted? It explains why Thais are in so much debt. Spoiler alert: It’s not due to COVID shutdowns. It’s been an issue growing over time.Dimitri ********
@Ruth ******
does that matter ? It's about the economy.Brandon ************
@Dimitri *******
your entire argument is that tourists and foreigners are propping up the economy and when they were gone during covid everything was terrible. The article shows that was the case before Covid and has nothing to do with foreigners or tourists.Ruth *******
@Brandon ***********
exactlyDimitri ********
@Roberto ********
Go to a tourist market in Bangkok and take a side street. You will see that in most places ***
of shops and restaurants are still closed. Same if you go to Phuket, Pattaya etc. Tourists from India have on average less to spend than tourists from western countries. And tourists from China? They still did not return.Roberto *********
@Dimitri *******
Everywhere I go everything is open. And I see coach loads of Chinese tourists. 😂Dimitri ********
@Roberto ********
a new quote for you: "According to the Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT), the current market for Chinese tourists coming to Thailand remains relatively sluggish. In the first six months, about 1.6 million Chinese tourists visited the country, making it difficult to reach the target of 5 million." *******************************************************************************************************************************
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/22/chinese-tourists-visit-thailand-in-first-half-of-2023/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Tourism%20Authority,the%20target%20of%205%20million.Roberto *********
@Dimitri *******
How many from Western Europe? Or they still whining about the air fares?Dimitri ********
@Roberto ********
till now everything you said is proven to be untrue, simply by posting some articles. Household debt up with 25% in a year, Chinese tourism at ***
of previous numbers. Keep looking at the railroad projects 🤣Roberto *********
@Dimitri *******
I'm looking at the cranes on the Bangkok skyline. My household debt is fine, I don't ask others what theirs is. 1.6million is a lot of people. There's heaps of Chinese here spending money. Why are you so worried about tourism levels? I'd be happier without touristsDimitri ********
@Roberto ********
I only object to people who do like everything is ok. I don't have any household debts, no debts at all. But most Thai are in big problems.Roberto *********
@Dimitri *******
Actually you're the one needs to open your eyes.Dimitri ********
@Roberto ********
OMG. You are blinded by some rail projects. But it seems to me that you do not see what is really happening. A debt increase of 25% in a year. But you see nothing.Reply to
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@Brandon ***********
Rude and entitled farangs annoy everyone here, including most farangs. But we had a glimpse of how Thailand fares without foreign money/tourism over Covid, and it was economic devastation, people losing everything, suicides through the roof, homelessness rising, etc, etc.
Plus, on an economic level, the government needs the revenues more than ever before, as they're flat broke, having had to borrow a ton of money during Covid, and having squandered tens of billions of Baht on purchasing submarines from China.
Submarines which cannot be used in the Gulf of Thailand due to being completely the wrong type of draft - though they do fit rather nicely with their 6.1 Billion Baht aircraft carrier; the smallest in the world - which now sits at harbour as little more than a museum piece, is barely seaworthy, and doesn't even have any launchable aircraft.
Not to mention the fact that the richest people in the country are flat-out exempt from taxation.
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@Jonathan *************************
tourists are not the same as farangs living in Thailand. They’re two completely different beasts. Meanwhile, I’m not sure how the submarines are relevant to this discussion unless you just want to vent. If the latter, have at it.Jonathan **************************
@Ruth ******
Its relevant to the discussion because the argument is that Thailand needs the foreign cash that tourists and expats both bring into the country in different ways.The country needs said cash, because the state is in a financial hole.
One of the factors behind said financial hole is the poor decision making by several governments - like spending tens of billions of Baht it could not afford on submarines which are basically useless for their intended purpose.
A country like the US, or China, can afford things like aircraft carriers, submarines etc (albeit at the cost of things like providing healthcare & welfare to its own citizens). Such countries also have the resources to maintain & use them to project power, to the point that acquiring them at least makes some semblance of sense.
Neither of those things apply to Thailand, which, in the case of the Chakri Narubet aircraft carrier, spent 6 billion Baht they didn't have, on an item that they got basically no strategic advantage from.
Also, the incoming Pheu Thai government is proposing giving every citizen 10,000 Baht.
That money is going to have to come from somewhere
Jo**
@Ruth ******
agree.. Ditto the super wealthy not paying enough taxes... That BTW is repeated in almost all western countries... I recalled many years ago, the chairman of Woolies paid a princely£1.00 personal income tax...
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even foreign money can't save Thailand from itselfReply to
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@Brandon ***********
I remember the Covid times without foreigners. All cities close to the sea were like ghost towns.Steve *******
@Dimitri *******
The whole world was like a ghost town during the height of Covid.Robin *******
@Dimitri *******
HahahahaYou should have seen a bit more of Thailand maybe.
Rural areas, villages, were alive, and never noticed a change. Be they seaside, countryside, or mountain side areas.
Only the tourist based areas had problems, and where “ghost towns” as you put it.
As by the way, they were all over the world…
Jeffrey ************
@Robin ******
That's just not true. Rural areas were badly affected.Robin *******
@Jeffrey ***********
Did you go there at all?The rural townships in Korat and elsewhere in Isaan that I went to were pretty much unaffected. Life just went on.
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@Robin ******
Yep, same in Ubon.Roberto *********
@Robin ******
My lady's village and the closest town were hardly affected by covid.Dimitri ********
@Robin ******
The money is not made in these rural areas. They live on the money they get from their kids who work ehhhh...Reply to
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@Dimitri *******
what do you expect when all restaurants are closed? All malls are closed? You can't go to the beach. Of course the beaches are empty. It had everything to do with covid, not with a lack of foreigners.Dimitri ********
@Brandon ***********
There were no foreigners, no tourists. But it had nothing to do with a lack of foreigners ?Roberto *********
@Dimitri *******
Lack of tourists, short stayers. They don't need to go to immigration office. The longstayers were here during covid. Many beachside places were open. I visited many places during covid. It was great.Dimitri ********
@Roberto ********
Yeah, I also skated between Nana and Asok on Sukhumvit road. It was a great time. But we still see the economic damage caused by the lack of tourists.Brandon ************
@Dimitri *******
why would anyone go to a beach city when the beaches are closed?Dimitri ********
@Brandon ***********
Yes. Tourists did not visit Thailand anymore. Beaches were empty. Restaurants were empty. They still did not recover from the economic damage because there were no tourists spending money years ago.Reply to
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@Brandon ***********
Agree. They have survived for so many years without foreigner's money. Why would they need it now. Thailand is a country full of resources. It's the foreigners that need to come to Thailand because of what Thailand has to offer.
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Brandon ***********
oh,you are great ! If you waste times after times for paper works, queues, sitting on there for your numbers, even you are 70+….sitting on outside of the officers’s air-con rooms….Bonnie *********
@Huafeng *****
Then go back to your country and stay there. Easy peasy.Paul *********
always a Facebook expert knows best.
Bonnie *********
Paul Amestoy You just did the same thing you’re complaining about. Good go!
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@Paul ********
Facts. Do some research before you spout bullshit!Reply to
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@Huafeng *****
go back home then.Lye **********
@Huafeng *****
I don't understand why are you keep complaining and yet still want to continue staying in Thailand. Just go back to whatever country you're from. Isn't that better?John ****************
@Huafeng *****
why you complaining, you are here in free will, do you think it is more easy for a 70 year thai to do in your country... Get a lifeMikkel *******
@Huafeng *****
have you ever visited a Thai government office besides immigration? That's just how it is. For the Thais too. People in different offices are sometimes queueing outside for hours and hours. Bring some shade, and make use of the always present food/drink vendor when more than 5 people are gathered. 🙏Roberto *********
@Huafeng *****
Why don't you book an appointment?Huafeng ******
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oh…I am sorry maybe you are not updated to the latest situation….Roberto *********
@Huafeng *****
I am sorry....what latest situation?Kool *******
@Huafeng *****
it's actually pretty easy to fix, but you wouldn't like it...lololReply to
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@Huafeng *****
I'm not saying immigration offices are efficient, far from it. But they're also going to give back the attitude they get and based on your post, your attitude is that you're entitled to be here and they should drop to their knees and thank you for bringing your money into Thailand.Paul *********
@Brandon ***********
think you should study economics and open your eyes and see how much foreigner money goes into ThailandSteve *******
@Paul ********
NOT nearly as much as you think from 'farangs' living here long term. Chinese tourists far outweigh 'westerners' in the spending department!Jo**
@Steve ******
yes.. The Chinese outspent the western farang at 6:1 ( stats figures before Covid 19)... So if anyone was half a business person, will also be bias and skewed towards the greater spending power tourists.Ron ******************
@Paul ********
foreign tourism make up about 4% of GDP. Less than 2% comes from western tourists. The effect of international tourism in certain areas may be greater than in others. In our area foreign tourism contributes less than 0,5% of GDP.Istvan *********
@Ron *****************
old data.. 7.6% in 2022 and before it was more than 11% so tourism is a significant part of Thailand's GDP.... Since the COVID few hundred businesses closed and are much more homeless than before...Reply to
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