What are the challenges expats face when seeking advice on Thai visa rules and regulations?

Sep 26, 2018
6 years ago
Robert *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
What is going on?

This page is set up to help you and provide advice for Thai Visa or Extension of Stay. This according to the rules and regulations of Thai Immigration.

People join this page, ask a question and than I read in comments, excuses to follow the rules and regulations:

- Impossible for me to do

- I don't want this

- Immigration can not do this

- I hear somewhere else

- It is a pain

- Don't tell me the rules, just tell me now, how I get what I need.

Next to this, people loose their passports or papers stapled inside the passport, don't pay any attention for left space in their passport or the validity date.

We all like to travel over the world, visit countries, enjoy new cultures and different life styles, but what happens with our own responsibility to take care the most important document to do this. Yes, your passport and the needed Visa, or Visa Exempt to get in a country or stay longer in that country.

We all give advice out of our free will, spending our time and knowledge to help you. If this advice does not fit in your agenda, it is not our fault and discussion about the rules does not help as we have no influance on the rules makers of the Royal Thai Immigration Police Bureau.
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This discussion highlights the common frustrations among expats regarding the complexities and inconsistencies of Thai immigration rules. Users express concerns about others disregarding valid immigration advice and focus on personal experiences with enforcement variations. The conversation calls for more responsibility in managing essential travel documents and acknowledges the value of sharing factual experiences over hearsay.
Robert *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
As my post is actually not really Thai Visa related, we have different views from different members. Thanks for the input and kind words.
Zabel ******************
Well said Robert

And also what happen about showing a bit of application for the help you guys offer many seems to not get it's a free help

Many behavious like they paid for it
David ***********
@Zabel *****************
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Ivan ************
Regarding talking about the "rules and regulations": firstly, as far as I am aware, there is no rule prohibiting a visa-exempt "border bounce" after a METV, but someone asking about that the other day was advised by one poster not to do it. There are no rules limiting how many tourist entries one can make in a year, yet certain people in this group constantly complain about anyone posting about doing a visa run and predict doom and gloom with no basis other than their own personal prejudices. So what "rules" are we talking about here exactly?

Secondly, if someone just wants to know the "rules" they can do that by simply looking up a website, whatever, but as we know well, there is very variable enforcement. As such I find it very valuable to get actual feedback from people as to their actual experiences. If we went strictly by "the rules", Malaysia have a "rule" posted on their website that they require hotel bookings (not condo rentals- hotel bookings) and they require them for the *entire duration* of the proposed stay in Thailand. If you stay in a "house" you need to provide a copy of the ID/passport of the owner of the house. Now as we all know, they don't actually require that. But if we were limited to only discussing officially posted rules, you need a hotel booking for every night of your proposed stay in Thailand of a copy of the passport of your landlord to get a tourist visa there. So I think it's helpful to get reports that they actually will take bookings just for the initial few days, as has been reported.

If it just about "the rules" as written there is no need to have a group in the first place, "the rules" are the rules but it's the ever-changing interpretation of the rules in actual practice that makes a group like this useful.
David ***********
What I like about the replies from
@Rob***
and Todd etc, is FACTS It makes life a whole lot easier to deal with facts rather than heresay.

I'm diagnosed Aspergers Syndrome and have some difficulty dealing with the "I heard" "he said/she said"
David ***********
@Ivan ***********
Yes agreed. There is little consistency, but that appears to be the case at home too. Different police officers, immigration officers etc dealing (or not) with the same issse in different ways.
Ivan ************
@David ***********
the enforcement is what I'm concerned about, as that is what actually happens. The rules say you can be denied entry for wearing sandals that are not part of a national costume.
David ***********
@Ivan ***********
I agree, but if you deal in FACTS the only variable is the final experience with the official concerned.
David ************
@Ivan ***********
The rules aren’t variable, the enforcement is.
Ivan ************
The issue with Thailand is that "the rules" have very variable enforcement and are not consistent from one place to another. You might like it to be all clear and consistent but that just isn't the reality of this country. A lot of what we know about the actual reality of Thai immigration policy comes not from published rules but from people's reports of their experiences.
Mike ********
I was gonna respond this to a post earlier today but didn’t for obvious reasons. Why do people not do some research and then ask questions if something’s still not clear?
Richard ***********
Mike ********
Richard ***********
Im not trying to annoy you but there has to be better answers..
Robert *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Even without doing their own research I not care to give advice to questions. That is why I and others joined this page. I just ventilated my thoughts about the arguing if it does not fit their agenda.
Valère *************************
True. This is the very reason I started interacting with this group. Even when you quote a law they respond with calling you names and being an idiot and so on.... it's beyond me how the 3 of you
@T**
@Rob***
@Ll***
are still sane of mind and not in the nuthouse yet

😎😎😎 kudo's for all your patience
Valère *************************
@Robert ******
Apologies... yes 😍😍😍
Robert *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Richard ***********
I think your pretentious get elite visa is as annoying..
Mark *********
Always fantastic advice and help, thanks heaps
Kari ********
My all time favorite "advice": You don't need to show proof of onward flight out. I've been here LOADSSSS of time (read 2) and was never asked!"
David ***********
@Ivan ***********
my Mrs makes a damned good bodyguard, I kid you not. Seen her hospitalise a US Navy SEAL in an exhibition bout of Muay Thai and he didn't land a single blow. 😁😁
Ivan ************
David my concern would actually more be on the way to Thailand, I've carried the 20,000 out myself to have it coming back and had it stolen *outside* Thailand.
Ivan ************
@Kari *******
yes, that's the <1% that post about it. Thailand gets around 50 million tourists per year, even 1% being asked would be 500,000 people. The vast, vast majority are not asked. They have the right to ask, for sure, but if they asked everybody they would be denying entry to literally MILLIONS of people each year. This isn't happening.
David ***********
@Ivan ***********
been visiting 20 years, never had issues. It helps if you know "people" And the nearest ATM to my in-laws village is 50 mins drive.
Ivan ************
Good for you
@Da***
, I hope you are never mugged. I suspect you are probably atypical in this, most young people these days carry these remarkable plastic things that let them get money anywhere.
David ***********
@Ivan ***********
I usually carry 7x - 10x that in cash, entering Thailand.
Kari ********
Oh yes...99% here:

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Ivan ************
@Ka**
I would say immigration ask to see an onward flight well under 1% of the time, yes. You think it's higher? Have you ever been asked yourself? I have not only never been asked, I have never seen them ask anyone else in the queue either. So yes I'd say it's well under 1%. I'm well aware they have the right to ask if they want to, but they usually don't.
Kari ********
@Ivan ***********
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Ivan ************
You usually don't, though. So is it so unreasonable for people to point that out? That 99% of the time they won't check this, but that they have the right to if they want?

Do you carry 20,000 THB *in cash* on your person (no credit cards, no ATM) every single time you enter Thailand? Because that's another requirement if we are going by the book.

Do you carry proof of hotel accommodation for your entire stay? Do you carry a copy of your lease? A copy of the ID of your landlord?
David ***********
David ***********
I couldn't agree more. When the time comes for me to retire and my wife and I to live in her village in Thailand I sincerely hope this group is still running.

By the book or not at all

Rules and Laws are there for reasons which we may not understand or agree with. However they are still LAWS
Bernd ***********
@Robert ******
well spoken, agree. πŸ‘
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