I’ve been in Thailand since 2022 with visa free stamp and always doing border bounces every 60 days.
What happens if you get denied at the border? Can you just apply for a tourist visa right away?
Any recommendation will be helpful
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A user reported being denied entry to Thailand after frequently using visa-free border bounces since 2022. Other users shared advice and experiences regarding the consequences of overstaying or misusing visas, strongly recommending obtaining a long-term visa instead of relying on border bounces. Recurrent themes included the importance of compliance with immigration laws, the need for legitimate visas, and warnings about stricter enforcement of visa regulations.
You have no idea what you talking about! Wake up and then you can comment!
Michael *******
Sorry , I defer to you wider knowledge of Thailand, its culture and immigration laws. I will stick to my experience over 47 years of visiting, since 1978 , and past 7 years of retirement with my non Thai wife and our two rescue dogs who probably talk more sense than you - enjoy your day 🐶🐶
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Leigh ************
You get sent home.. go and get a proper visa
Jordee ******
This country seems to roll the dice to decide how it operates each day. They are also paranoid.
Example: An English teacher with 20 years of experience in a public school, married to a Thai citizen, carried a folder with proof of his legal status in Thailand, about 14 cm thick.
Location: Thai Embassy in Phnom Penh. Purpose: annual visa renewal.
His visa was denied.
After this experience, I told him, "Have you tried the other window?"
No problem. It worked.
Sammy *****
Bouncing back to your home country.
Dragan **********
Get a proper visa
Mark **********
It's wankers like u that fuck it up for the rest of us. Hope your not allowed in anymore.
George *********
I think this isn’t the way.
Lucas **********
Bullshit , no chance in hell you've done it this long especially over the last few years..
Morris *****
Farang like you ruin my country. If you’re too broke to get a long term visa then you should reevaluate your life.
Surya *****
Seems like everyone is pointing fingers at the OP. If he's exploiting the system, then who let's him in the country each time? Isn't it the immigration office? How did he get away with it? Isn't it the immigration office? Did I miss something?
Ben *******
Why do people keep trying to circumvent the system then cry to a Thailand visa group asking for help. Do things properly in the first place and you won't get any hassle.
- a lot of my comments here are spilling out because I’ve heard a dozen of these experiences this week. It’s just frustrating to me personally when people are surprised or want someone to fix something that they’ve already screwed up.
For all, I know you have a beautiful loving family in Thailand you need to be present. No shame to you personally it’s just that I’ve spent a week listening to people lamenting that were just honestly… Their time was up. It happens. I don’t wish you any ill will 😊
I took an opportunity to gripe. I didn’t mean to call you out specifically.
you mean me? Did clarifying and being decent to you earn me an insult? It’s hardly triggered but that’s another term thrown around as an insult in lieu of actual conversation 🤷🏻♀️
I took the time to address you and clarify and show respect- did I get insulted for that? WTF 🤦🏻♀️
Don’t take anything personal ! It’s all kidding ! People take Facebook groups too seriously ! Maybe you do need some rest ! Enough Facebook for you tonight!
bro. All I did was turn to you for a moment to clarify that I wasn’t 💩 on you. it seems like your response to my show of care and respect was an insult. Saying rude things to people and then saying don’t take it personal it’s just Facebook is ridiculous. Human beings speak to each other and when they make personal insults, it is personal. I went out of my way to make sure you knew I wasn’t insulting you. I’m good. I’ve cleaned up my mess. People don’t want to be accountable for anything they say or do and say it’s just Facebook.
Sometimes I let it roll off my back, of course, but I’m a human being, and I made an actual gesture toward you and look at my result. I am not the problem and Facebook is not the problem. People are the problem and terror of taking any accountability ever is the problem. #Fukem I’m still gonna do what’s right ✌🏼
There is a difference between seeing and appreciating consequences, justice, karma, balance, whatever you want to call it, and taking pleasure in in it. If you take pleasure in someone else’s misfortune or pain, no matter how they got there, it just makes you a petty, mean-spirited, self-righteous arsehole. No ifs, ands, or buts. Live with it. And if what goes around truly does come around, someone will eventually be taking pleasure at your pain or misfortune.
I think there’s a difference in being not surprised and being confused with why someone is talking about a misfortune that they created- and taking pleasure in it. It’s don’t take pleasure in it- I am totally confused by it 🤷🏻♀️
Understood. If (only “if” because I don’t remember what you said, lol, but I did see your latest comment) so, then I wasn’t talking about you, and my apologies if you thought I was. Those who do it know who they are.
Fortunately nothing happened yet. I’m just asking what if I get denied since I’ve seen immigration is more strict these days. Yes, I’ll consider land crossing. Thank you !
suggests and talk to an agent for your next entry. At the very least, if they won't offer you a "safe entry" you know you'll probably be denied. Might want to look into the DTV as well, still fairly easy to get in neighboring countries and the agent can probably assist with that. Edit - a tourist visa probably isn't worth your time since it's no guarantee
ok- some border points are famously more strict. Poi Pet, Cambodia for example. And some airports also tend to be more strict. BKK and DMK.
It’s quite possible you have no issues but definitely have the 3 proofs available. Onward ticket, 20k baht and hotel reservations to present to IO if you are questioned. You are more likely to be ‘warned’ and admitted entry. If so, you may need to look at border bounce with agency or FastTrack entry services afterwards
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Darren *********
Considering that 2 weeks ago you posted that you had never done a border bounce. I am just gonna call you a shit posting asshole and block you.
Julie ***********
All the Karens here, can we talk for a minute about AAALL the Russians having visas but not legit ones ? So why bother this guy ?!
Julie ***********
Max I've PMd you. I've been in your shoes, ignore the "get a proper visa" scowlers.
How many of these posts have I seen this week? They don’t realize they have created this?flouting rules but expect no type of result from that?
Soon others will suffer because of their sense of entitlement.
I mean, people living this way aren’t gonna suffer. They’re just finally going to be subject to the rules they were asked to abide by all along, but new people trying to come, people that want to visit, people that need a break -it’s going to be harder for them. Thailand is going to recede from mingling with the world again for a while and regroup. Can’t blame ‘em.
aaah yes. The insult that always comes when a bit of perspective or accountability might be suggested. Boomer or Karen. So lazy. So unwilling to reflect. 🤷🏻♀️ Also a Karen is someone that threatens to go over your head and try to harm your employment, so get yourself together 🙄
A Karen is someone so steeped in ⚪️ su prem acy that they perceive themselves as entitled and are very demanding of how they should be treated. 🤔 Who is that in this scenario?
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Tommy ********
You do not legitimately live in Thailand. Stop messing with the system and get a legit work permit and visa
Ron *********
Surprised you lasted this long on exemptions. They're gonna turn you around soon. I bounced by air to Jakarta and got pulled over at Don Mueng, they just hammered me verbally and said next time I better have a visa when I come into the country and that was only the 2nd bounce of that trip to Thailand, although for 7 years I had always done exemptions, extensions, and 1 or 2 border bounces each time I came for 6-8 month stays.
Friend of mine got turned around in phuket, sent back to Malaysia to get a tourist visa.
Patrycja ********
Even with a proper visa you can get a surprise. I always come for 6 months a year with a multiple entry Turist visa, never overstayed, never extended, always travel around Asia for a couple of days up to 1-2 weeks around day 50... and i got questioned at the airport last time. I also went in and out by plane, no landcrossing.
Tohksic ******
U f'd around for way too long and found out. Good riddance.
John ************
You abuse the system. Get a proper visa.
Peter **********
why would you not get a proper visa?
Wayne *****
Play the system and get caught out, no sympathy. Do the crime, do the time.
Luc ************
No recommendations needed, all depends on the IO.
John **********
Basically, you are taking the piss!! A little spell in the immigration detention centre will refocus your mind! Enjoy!!
Johnie *********
This was my 3rd annual extension.
Last year after my approval my retirement was late getting to the bank one month after my extension started. I didn't check my account, and I withdrew spending money. My account dipped to 790,000. This year, the same office in Samut Prakan said I had to apply again fresh. I was told to make a border run. So I drove to Cambodia. They failed to tell me I had to spend the night. I argued and got back across the same day with the temporary stamp. I then had to get all the paperwork fresh. Then I got a call from immigration police. They wanted to check my residence. This was a 1st. The bank letter failed because it didn't show the balance as of signature date on the signed document. They had the annual bank report and my updated bank book. But that wasn't enough. You'd have thought the bank would have been use to making the proper letter. Now that's done,and they said they would call me in 2 weeks to tell me the results. I won't go through this twice. I have a small house in my name in Puerto Vallarta Mexico. It's easier to visit Texas from there anyway. Without all the BS. I bought a citizenship there around 5 years ago.
An acquaintance from America has used a company to handle his visa for many years here in Thailand. He's never had the reqired money in the bank nor the proper income. Last month he was deported. The company he used is now under investigation, as well as the immigration office in Map Ta Phut.
The rules are being enforced stringently now. One officer said it was the Chinese & the Russians that have really stirred this up.
I will soon start the process of getting my fiance approved for Mexico just in case.
As for you, you probably didn't help matters, so I hope they burn your ass.
some people can't concentrate long enough to get past the 1st sentence. It wasn't for them, lol.
Thanks for acknowledging the fact that I have made it to the status of grandpa. Most young people of today will never get there. Especially if they rent a motorcycle in Thailand.
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Olga ****
you can fly to BKK airport and pass the immigration with 'safe entry' services from one of the companies. 0 questions asked and stamp guaranteed. I did the same yesterday as I had 2 border runs previously and wasn't sure they would let me in
Unfortunately it is people playing the system that makes it bad for everyone else. Stay home for a couple of months
James ********
Don't understand all this visa confusion and miss information. Thailand relies on tourism. Lots of cash comes in and tourists no real burden on the country. Make it easier. Let them come. Just maybe more criminal checks both local , residential , domestic and international.
they welcome tourists with open arms, but a tourist stays for a few weeks and goes home to their place of work and earns enough for their next adventure……….a tourist doesn’t plot up here for 6 months doing border runs and generally abusing the system - try pulling that stunt in Singapore , or Hong Kong etc
Abusing the system ...maybe so...but the average Joe , keeping his nose clean , flying under the radar , spending all his money right here = contributing to the thai economy with no burden...if he goes , then so does the money.
Best way for average Joe to keep his nose clean is obtain correct visa, contributing to the Isaac economy, I get….but we don’t pay taxes, and income earned remains under the radar - tourists contribute huge amounts to the Thai economy as they spend on accom, transport and restaurants….average Joe doesnt, he might pay rent for a room and motorbike……
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Michael *******
When is a tourist not a tourist, usually after 4-5 weeks……who gets that much annual leave if they have a job……if they don’t they are earning some kind of income in Thailand - go figure where the problem is - disaster for Isaan though
Mark *******
Spot on James! I can understand the Thais wanting to ' control tourism,' but you are so correct,Thailand is heavily reliant on tourism,it's 5th biggest industry! A lot of ' talk ' on this site is amazingly hypocritical!
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Bunny *****
That's what happens when you're too stingy to get a plane and a safe entry
They are clamping down hard on mywadi and Cambodia so just follow the regulations
Peter **********
Well… You went looking for the limits. Seems you’ve found them. 😉
Get a proper visa for your residence.
Lawrence *********
After a certain amount of stamps, they want you to get your stamp.Your Visa from the Thai embassy outside the country and come back.So you gotta take a weekend and go somewhere
김**
I have only gone in and out by plane this year. I leave before my 90 days are up. This last time was my 4th time into the country in the past year after being out for over a month and they almost deported me. I paid immigration their “secret fee” to let me in. I paid 3000 baht. And I have the immigration contact now 🤣
Michael *******
You want to advertise on SM that you are bribing immig officers - really 🤔🤔
You will be denied entry eventually. My suggestions: Obtain a long term visa. Or stay outside of Thailand for several months. Don't wait to be denied entry.
Galen *******
The safest is a border bounce with a company 3000 - 4000 THB. They check your passport in advance and they know if everything is Okay.
Jake *****
It's time to change or leave this country 🤔🤔🤔
Francois ********
Why some people laughing when someone ask for help or tips ?!?
I thought it was only in French groupe that there are this malice, but here also …
Wow…
You know you could be nice and caring , it s not hardest to act this way … some should trying … really !!!
he wants HELP to keep abusing the visa system he has been abusing??? That is not what this group was intended for.
It is to assist people that want to obtain a visa for legitimate purposes, not RORT or circumvent the Thai visa and immigration laws.
This particular individual has openly admitted that they have been taking the piss and now they want to find a way round their situation they have brought upon themselves, that is the reason people here are expressing their disdain and contempt for such individuals.
We all are affected by such individuals GAMING the system and more than likely others who abuse the system or behave poorly when in the Kingdom is the reason that the 60 day Visa Exempt is looking like it is going to be repealed.
simply put, if you have sold up your life and moved permanently to Thailand then YES, it has become YOUR country by choice and your attitude supporting trying to RORT the Visa System to the extent this person has is telling. Your opinion is just that, YOURS, you are entitled to it, doesn’t make it right.
The RIGHT thing is to abide by the rules that Thai Immigration sets and enforces.
Do you know this guy , his background, his back history… and everything about him ?
Behind EVERYONE there are a story … so how we can laughter and make fun about his situation ??
and yes I live in Thailand also for , but be clear in your mind , that only YOU consider that Thailand is YOUR country , maybe in YOUR heart , but for them you are and still be a farang.
But it’s very nice from you to put lot of energy about this thaï rules , and explain your point of YOU like farang living here for a while .
tu peux aller te faire en.q.ler, je m'en tape carrément. En passant, je vais continuer à rire même pour des situations de tristesse générale et tu ne peux rien changer à cela.
If you get denied you fly back or home or to the country from where you are arriving.
Then you have lot of time to do a proper Visa for long stay in thailand
Ps
Officer no care about your staff, girlfriend or condo in Thailand.
Once denied you fly back and will be good you have the money on you for buy the ticket because if you no have it you will pass bad time.
You already abused the sistem long time and the point is not if you get denied but when
Michael ****
All good things come to an end.
You need to be lucky to get your education visa running. Good luck mate
Thom **********
try another country
Jim ***********
Surprised denied ??? I'm amazed never been denied long before this. Guys abusing visa system is reason it's being changed. You should been denied a year ago
who the fk u think you are ? Looked in mirror shrek ? I know a wrong one when see them and that's definitely you. Police check your hard drive u get locked up own kind. Peter File
‘caught’?! lol. There are no specific limits. At some point they might be denied. Or not. If denied, they go back and try again. Im good for 8 more years, I could care less what happens, but that’s the reality of it.
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Faye *********
60 day stamp since 2022...💩 The 60 day visa free stamp has not been given that long
bogus if you cannot read and if you cannot remember what policies they had in place before last summer. What is so special about staying 60 days in Thailand in 2022 and 2023? You just had to pay for an extension and that was it.
He does not even mention receiving a 60 day visa exemption stamp, only the ammount of time spent
but most people don’t really really understand what they’re doing and they’re just stumbling through. Terminology and laws are played fast and loose, and many just copy what they think they’ve heard others say they do and it works. Then there are agents who fix for a price and many of their clients honestly don’t understand how they’re still staying- they just stay.
A lot of layers in the situation but at the end of the day, just because you can get away with something doesn’t mean you should, so excessively? Any real traveler has paid a few gifts and bent a few rules but I get tired of people breaking laws and violating agreements excessively because ‘I can because there are loopholes- blame the system’ and then they’re legit angry when the system that overlooked it, suddenly doesn’t- like they are being victimized now because they can’t keep cheating.
just out of curiosity what time period was that. You had visa exemption that is a bit different. I mean still you used wiggle room but it is different.
Well now I hear Borders land are back to as many as u want since 1 Yr ago ... I think the vdo of thai bar security's staff knocking out tourists ( again ) went viral last Yr. Two days later the thailand Gates declared open for all nations.... after All money is number 1 to thais
if you do not see a problem with multiple "tourists" visa over a sustained period then you are the problem. Tourist do not stay in one country for thst period. It would appear they may have some form of business.
again calling bull****. If wealthy people spend all their time travelling, using the tourist visa, which they are tourists. I don’t see this as the problem.
wealthy travel to many countries not just one. Someone entering a country multiple times in two to three years soley on a tourist visa is most likely working here, not disclosing that fact and evading taxes.
no and again bullshit. We have done just that, Indonesia, Malaysia Singapore, Lao , Cambodia, Vietnam, Phillipines, Japan, Australia. Just travel through Thailand and use the current visa exempt and move on when it comes to an end. Still a problem with Thailand. But I don’t know how you say I am the cause of all this. No other country deems it a problem even. It’s just a cash grab. Just wait til they start moving the markers on a retirement visa. A few condo buyers might find that don’t even fit the requirements for the visa to even live in said apartment.
clearly you have a problem with Thailand so do not go there. Stay at home with your limited circle of friends
I do not have a problem with Thailand or its rules. The problem is that the rules Thailand imposes are always to address the abuses of minoriries like you but affect the majority that abide by them.
My problem is with people like you who think Thailand should be run like their own counties.
I never said any of that shit. I have never used a visa exempt outside of its intended use. I love Thailand, but let’s face it not all people affected by current changes have been abusing absolutely anything at all. Your blaming them is misplaced.
additional every day I see farangs on the news doing stupid stuff like shoplifting and fighting and the news folks are blaming their government for the 60 day visa exemptions.
Folks that come to Thailand 🇹🇭 need to remember that you are a guest here and only allowed to stay if they want you to. You not only hurt yourself but your actions also reflect on all of us unfortunately.