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What should expats know about the 90-day reporting requirement when border bouncing in Thailand?
Mar 1, 2025
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Hannah **********
ORIGINAL POSTERTo people that are border bouncing towards the end of your 180 days:
Do not fall into the trap of forgetting about your second 90 day report.
This is due 90 days after your first 90 day report which you likely completed before 90 days had passed, hence your second 90 day report will be due before your 180 day visa stamp expires.
If you are leaving the country within 90 days of your first 90 day report then you will be absolutely fine š
Do not fall into the trap of forgetting about your second 90 day report.
This is due 90 days after your first 90 day report which you likely completed before 90 days had passed, hence your second 90 day report will be due before your 180 day visa stamp expires.
If you are leaving the country within 90 days of your first 90 day report then you will be absolutely fine š
TLDR : Answer Summary
This discussion focuses on the importance of the 90-day reporting requirement for expats in Thailand, particularly those engaged in border bouncing to avoid overstaying their visa. It highlights the necessity of understanding the timing for these reports, as failing to file could lead to confusion, especially when a return to Thailand coincides with the reporting due date. Many users share personal experiences regarding their border runs and how they navigated the reporting requirements. Overall, participants advise that if you leave the country before your second 90-day report is due, you generally won't face issues re-entering, though caution is recommended to ensure compliance.
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Hasan ***********
Itās simple guys. You spend 90 days. You leave and border bounce. You get a fresh 180 days. You border bounce again at 90 days spent. It doesnāt matter how many times you border bounce because your entries are unlimited. If you donāt border bounce every 90 days you will always have to end up reporting.
Luit *****************
@Hasan **********
Why leave to prevent TM47 reporting? It is free and pretty simple.Reply to
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Jess ******
Thanks for bringing this up, it's slightly confusing for those who are just starting to learn about the DTV.
So that means if the first 90-day report is completed and we leave before the second 90 days, we don't need to do the second report š¤ am I understanding this correctly?
So that means if the first 90-day report is completed and we leave before the second 90 days, we don't need to do the second report š¤ am I understanding this correctly?
Hannah **********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Jess *****
yes š all my post is saying is that the second 90 days isnāt necessarily the same date as the 180 days, so donāt get caught outJess ******
@Hannah *********
I'm still a little confused. If the second 90 days and 180 days is the same, do you mind clarifying in what situation would we really have to watch out for š¤šš»Hannah **********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Jess *****
the second 90 days is not the same as the 180 days if you did your first 90 day report earlyJess ******
@Hannah *********
ah so probably best to do our first report not too early š¤ then it shouldn't be a problemReply to
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Luit *****************
@GC ****
it is all about timing. If you want to stay maximum of 180 days, best do first 90 day report a bit too late within the grace period, then the next one needed is afterFontaine **************
I know this has been talked about 1000 times here and I donāt always follow these posts. Can someone clarify my understanding? Iām in my first 90 days. If I leave on day 89 for a border run, and then return, do I legally have to do a 90 day report? Or does that reset it? And nobody ever tells you about the 90 day reporting. What happens if you just donāt do it? And if you never have to go to Immigration for anything? I believe Iāve seen many posts that this is what people are doing. Never doing a 90 day report and just bouncing out and back in. Thanks in advance
Cory **********
@Fontaine *************
it takes five minutes to do a 90 day report and free. Crazy to read people leave and come back. It honestly makes no sense.Paul *******
@Cory *********
No, you don't do a 90 day report if you're leaving within 90 days anyway. You could probably get away with not doing a 90 day report even if you leave a little later (since you have until 7 days after the 90 day period to file one) so as long as you leave and come back, you're fine. It's once you need to do something at immigration that a 90 day report may be needed.Fontaine **************
@Cory *********
Thanks for your reply, my friend. Iāve heard mixed opinions on this. Many have said it was a pain to go in person and do the reporting? ļæ¼And how do you do reporting since it is never explained? Just walked into an immigration office with no appointment? What documents should you bring? Thank you for your helpšReply to
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Luit *****************
@Fontaine *************
Leave on day 89 and you do not need 90 day reporting. You can keep doing that forever, but 90 day reporting is simple and free, and takes much less time than a borderrunFontaine **************
@Luit ****************
Thatās what most people say they are doing. But a lot of comments today are telling me itās simple to walk in the office, show a little paperwork and walk out fairly quickly. So basically youāre avoiding two 90 day reports.Fontaine **************
@Luit ****************
Thanks my friend. ļæ¼So I have to get form TM47 (online and fill it out) ļæ¼and TM30 (which my landlord would provide)? And you go into an immigration office without an appointment? And itās definitely strange that they donāt tell you what you need to do š¤·š»āāļøJake ******
@Fontaine *************
what happens if you don't do it? I envision alot of dtv holders are forgetting about thisFontaine **************
@Jake *****
From what Iāve learned here nothing happens unless you have to go into Immigration for something and they find out? Apparently a lot of people arenāt doing it or theyāre making a border run and coming back. According to some recent comments, thatās a lot more difficult than just doing the 90 day reporting. At the border they donāt care about your 90 day report. Theyāre not involved with that. This is based on what Iāve learned from the group here.Jake ******
@Fontaine *************
I was planning to border run on day 179... and just not bother with the 90 day report :/Luit *****************
@Jake *****
As long as you don't need anything else from an immigration office, that might work. But not following the rules is never completely without risk.Reply to
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Fontaine **************
@Luit ****************
Thanks for your reply, my friend. Iāve heard mixed opinions on this. Many have said it was a pain to go in person and do the reporting? ļæ¼And how do you do reporting since it is never explained? Just walked into an immigration office with no appointment? What documents should you bring? Thank you for your helpšLuit *****************
@Fontaine *************
I agree with you it is a bit strange that when applying for a visa that let you stay over 90 days there is not a single instruction about the TM47 90 day reporting. I know there are some people telling everybody should know the law. In Hat Yai I could just walk in and tell I had to do 90 day reporting. 5 minutes later I was outside again. What I needed was TM30, copy passport entry stamp, copy passport personal details, copy visa and filmeditie in TM47 form. I got the filmeditie in TM47 form by applying online first, sometimes that seems to work even for the first time, but it also gives you filled in TM47.Reply to
Luit *****************
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Paul *******
Second 90 day report is not needed if you're leaving the country anyway.
Anonymous ******************
What about 50 days staying. And come back to my country , and enter again to thailand must i have a problem to immigration? Im just with fiance staying hehe .
Tod *********
Anonymous participant 498 nope won't have any issue at all, just show the DTV print out PDF with your passport when you stamp in
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Tod *********
Actually NO ONE cares at passport control IF you ever did a 90 day report or not, they can't fine you for not doing it when you stamp out of the country, that's not their job,
SO even if you didn't do your first one, you're fine
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If you did do your first 90 day report, but are leaving the country after the second one is due just pull that receipt they give you showing the due date out of your passport before you stamp out
You won't have any issues at all
SO even if you didn't do your first one, you're fine
AND
If you did do your first 90 day report, but are leaving the country after the second one is due just pull that receipt they give you showing the due date out of your passport before you stamp out
You won't have any issues at all
Chris ****
nobody cares about 90 day just pay the fine if you are extending at immigration or getting a driver licencee etc
James *******
This is exactly what I did, so I popped into immigration after my border bounce to make sure they had everything up to date, even though I knew I should have done a 90-day report the week before (before the border bounce). Luckily, they just updated my address on the system and gave me the 90-day report paper in my passport.
Carlton ********
I did a border run to Myanmar recently, as my 180 days ran out on my DTV. I was never questioned about a 90 day report at all.
Paul *******
@Hannah *********
Good. Ranong does perform a lot of checks before letting you out. They do warn you about the *****
Baht cash requirement.Hannah **********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Paul ******
I used an agent and it was smooth. Perhaps itās not if you donāt use an agent. I was warned that it may be an extra 2000 to re-enter depending on the official on duty but I wasnāt charged this in the end. So I probably got a bit lucky
Paul *******
@Hannah *********
Ah, so you used an agent! That's why it went smoothly. I'm not saying Ranong is problematic, but come on any sort of visa that isn't an extension of stay and they'll grill you first before letting you leave (if you don't use an agent).This happened to me last time on a non-O multiple entry visa and they tried to ask for 20K (I had almost that much on me, but that was to pay for my expenses in Myanmar, not for Thailand). Besides, credit cards are not accepted in southern Myanmar anymore, it's cash only, thanks to the political situation.
I talked my way out of the 20K cash requirement and since they let me leave after I explained what I was going there for, I had zero issues or questions asked on re-entry.
I will probably use a pier specific for the islands next time. Although I went on an island tour last year, I used the Saphan Pla pier to depart and come back, as I was staying in Kawthaung and did the tour to/from Kawthaung, rather than beginning and ending in Ranong, like many Thais do.
However, I think if you're using the services of one of the two companies that run those tours (there may be others as well) you are entitled to use their pier and immigration facilities.
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Tod *********
@Carlton *******
you wouldn't be questioned exiting the people at passport control when you exit thailand don't care in the least if you EVER filed a 90 day report
Paul *******
@Carlton *******
Of course not. They don't care. BTW did you go via Ranong? If so, did officials there hassle you? They're known for asking for *****
Baht, accommodation proof etc.Hannah **********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Paul ******
I just went to Ranong and had no issues and no extra fees to payReply to
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James **********
Why border bounce? I thought you could extend after 180 days ?
Kool *******
@James *********
you can extend, but to do it you need to present all the documents you used to get the DTV, and they must be updated. You don't need any documents when you exit Thailand and return, just your DTV pdf printed.Tod *********
@James *********
I would wager you haven't gotten a 180 day extension on a DTV from your immigration office šAndrew ********
@James *********
Because its easier. And you know.. because you should explore SE asia.ElĆas ********
@Andrew *******
if you go to another country to explore, or because you want to go there, etc., it's not a "border bounce", as normally that expression is used when you go in and out just for visa/migratory reasons.Andrew ********
@ElĆas *******
dumbest comment ever. You can kill two birds with one stone. DTV holders can do a trip to see another country and renew the 180 days AND see a different country. No need to be a white knight.
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Steve *******
@James *********
because the extension requires a ridiculous amount of paperwork and flying to Kuala Lumpur for a weekend getaway is just a better choice.Luit *****************
@Steve ******
just proving you still comply to the original requirements is not a ridiculous amount of paperwork. But a weekend or longer away is more fun.Angelo ***********
@Luit ****************
I guess that depends on what you call ridiculous and how good you are in keeping your papers together. I consider it ridiculous, because I would not easily be able to "procure" the papers again.Steve *******
@Luit ****************
bringing literally everything you did to apply for the visa you got approved for, is ridiculous. You can defend their routines if you want, it doesn't change the fact that it's a silly requirement, when you literally just fly in and out and get the same extension without the paperwork.Luit *****************
@Steve ******
I do not see you litterally need to bring in everything. Proving you still comply is not that strange. And documents that are not time dependant you still have, so what is the difficulty? Showing your soft power is still going on, or your still work remote is not that difficult. Show online you still have 500K is also easy.Steve *******
@Luit ****************
because you don't need to show anything flying in. Open your mind a little. Being right on Facebook comments doesn't award you any prizes.Reply to
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James **********
@Steve ******
oh thatās interesting I didnāt know that. So itās not like extending the tourist visaā¦.
Steve *******
@James *********
no, they make it difficult for no reason other than to push you towards border bounces to pad their visitor statsLuit *****************
@Steve ******
is this a conspiricy theory? Just checking you still comply is making it difficult for no reason? It is only difficult when you do not comply to requirements anymore...Reply to
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Andrew ********
@Steve ******
I would argue Vietnam is a better choice but yes.Luit *****************
@Andrew *******
Vietnam is more complicated for a lot of people because a visa is needed.Reply to
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GC *****
So if you do your 90day report then border bounce at 180days do you still need to do another 90 report ? Iām confused with this post š¤
Hannah **********
ORIGINAL POSTER@GC ****
the first 90 day report has to be in person, so you will likely do it 1-2 weeks before itās due. Your 90 days start from this date. Therefore your border bounce will be at around 166-173 days, rather than 180. Otherwise you will need to do another 90 day report to be compliant/ avoid a fine.Jeremy *****
@GC ****
no only the first 90 day then bounce and repeatWannikea *********
@GC ****
whenever you spend 90 consecutive days in Thailand you report. If you leave on the 90th day you don't need to report. The entry date is always day 1.Jess ******
@Wannikea ********
so after that we have a fresh new 180 days š¤ then when it's 90 days again, we can do the reporting but we don't have to do it in person? OR we can choose to border bounce again?Wannikea *********
@Jess *****
every time you re-enter Thailand you'll need to do your first report in person, unless, your local immigration office says you don't need to do it in person. You absolutely will need to report in person if your address is different, but they might approve an online report if your address is the same. Ask at your local immigration office.Reply to
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Garrett ********
I was told by my Muay Thai school that no 90-day report was required for DTV. Now I know they were wrong. However, I havenāt filed any 90-day report. My first 6 month entry expires 8 March and I will do a border bounce to Laos on Monday. What type of hassle should I be prepared for when I attempt re-entry (land re-entry at Chiang Khong, Chiang Rai province)?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
Tod *********
@Garrett *******
they're totally wrong,Greg ********
@Garrett *******
You will be fine. As others have said border entry not really concerned with 90 day reportingDavid ********
@Garrett *******
you should be fine if they do say anything just plead ignorance and pay the fine. But it won't affect rentryJess ******
@David *******
just curious how much is the fee?David ********
@Jess *****
2000 bhtReply to
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Evan ********
@Garrett *******
Tod has said it should not make any difference when leaving if you havenāt done it. It could be a problem if you need any immigration stuff before you leave as they would see it. Best to do a quick search for his post about it ššReply to
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Greg ********
Remember if you are doing border bounces your 90 day report will always be in person or by snail mail. Cannot do it online as just as the 90 day resets when you leave and then enter so does the reporting methods allowed.
Toni *******
My 2nd 90d was friday, i went out next wed, no problem. I was told leaving country counts as "report of your location" as well
Tod *********
@Toni ******
you were told wrong, š® leaving the country on or before the due date of a 90 day report doesn't count as reporting at all it counts as STOPPING the need to report š
When you come back in the NEXT 90 day report will be due 89 days from the date you stamp in to thailand
Luit *****************
@Toni ******
who told you that?Toni *******
@Luit ****************
i shower the paper they put on my passport on the first report, to the IO before stamping out, and asked if going out does the same thing, he said yes no problemReply to
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Thuu **********
Second 90 days report is not needed since you will be going out before 180 days. Also there is a grace period of 7 days after 90 days due date.
I did not file second 90 days report & did border run on Vientiane, Lao. No questions was asked
I did not file second 90 days report & did border run on Vientiane, Lao. No questions was asked
Mary *********
@Thuu *********
did you need to give any documents for your border run, coming back into Thailand?Thuu **********
@Mary ********
no documents needed & no questions askedReply to
Thuu **********
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Thuu **********
My point was second 90 days is not needed if you do border bounce. No one cares about it.
Stuart *********
@Thuu *********
This again is incorrect. Say you come in and correctly count 89 days as your due date. You can report up to two weeks prior. Which means your next report will be due 89 days from then. This means at 178 days you are due to report again. If you max out your stay and have reported early you could be due to do 2 reports. Again it wonāt be an issue at a border but could be when your next report is due.
That said the fine is 2,000 baht so itās not a catastrophic problem.
If for the entire 5 years you need no interaction with immigration then no one would technically care if you never reported. Land borders and airports counters donāt check nor care. But that doesnāt mean the requirement to do so doesnāt exist.
Thuu **********
@Stuart ********
Iām not sure why you would need to correct. Weāre saying based on the scenario OP asking. So, nobody really care about second 90 days report if you plan to do border bounce. Itās simple as thatStuart *********
@Thuu *********
No idea why you canāt get the gist that a second report may be needed. Sure no one will care at a border doing a bounce but they may catch the non report at the next report time.Reply to
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Sefton ********
@Thuu *********
Some offices stamp you 90 days from report, not 90 days from entry.. So if you go 14 days early.. you can still be over 7 days past the 2nd 90 if your in really bad luck.Tod *********
@Sefton *******
NO office "stamps" anything for a 90 day report. ALL offices start the next 90 day count down from the date you file the 90 day report though
Sefton ********
@Tod ********
He stamps the 90 day report no ?? With your next date. I thought when you did it online or postal it went from the end date rather than the date it is performed.
Tod *********
@Sefton *******
you are correct about the 90 day reporting online and by post "count down" it would go from the actual due date BUT
That is just a bit of irrelevant data for these DTV holders
Tod *********
@Sefton *******
nope there is no stamping, it's all printed out on ***
an A4 paper now DTV holders cant do a 90 day report online until after the first one is done in person š and most people will just bounce out around then so shouldn't even waste the time trying it š
Sefton ********
@Tod ********
For sure stamps the TM47 when its a one year one.. But yeah ok so 'prints' not stamps. I had thought when you did it online or postal it went from the end date rather than the date it is performed ? is that not a correct memory? Its been a while since I managed one of those due to travels and the first report in person.
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Christopher ***********
@Thuu *********
90 day periods are not cumulative.ļæ¼ Your next report is due 90 days from the last. Immigration officers at both airports and land borders are not concerned with 90 day reporting.Stuart *********
@Thuu *********
Thatās not how it works. If you are due a report you need to file it. The grace period is only for the reporting not the necessity to report. You wonāt have an issue at the border going out or coming in when you return if you havenāt filed a report.
However when you next need to file a report an eagled eyed officer may spot you didnāt file the previous one and fine you 2,000 baht.
James ********
@Stuart ********
correct ā
thank you šReply to
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Anonymous ******************
@Thuu *********
did you wait a day or manage to return the same day?Thuu **********
Anonymous participant 799 I stayed 2 nights
James ********
Anonymous participant 799 that depends on the border crossing you are using.
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@Thuu *********
same for me, cambodia land borderJohn **********
@Thuu *********
the grace period is for filling the report not for the need to make a report. Plus if you do your first report early your 2nd report will be before you reach 180 daysLuit *****************
@John *********
correct, so best when you want the full stay of 180 days, to do the first 90 day report just after 90 days, using the grace period of reporting, then the next will be after your 180 days.Reply to
Luit *****************
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Heath ********
One 90 day report? Then a border run? So no 180 day report? Then rinse and repeat? Thanks for the tips
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