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What are the key features and requirements of the Destination Thailand Visa (DTV) compared to the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV)?
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Jul 17, 2024
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Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTERThe DTV to wrap your head around correctly in one sentence:
The DTV (Destination Thailand Visa) is in effect an extended / longer version of the METV (Multiple Entry Tourist Visa).
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Explanation:
With the (good old) METV, you got a visa that was valid for 6 months from the day it was issued and allowed you to enter Thailand during that period an unlimited amount of times for up to 60 days on each entry. It is possible to extend at local immigration in Thailand to stay an additional 30 days on each entry before having to leave (and possibly re-enter) Thailand.
Requirements for the METV are: Proof of a certain amount of saving in the bank account + proof of need for multiple entries.
Now the DTV is the exact same thing. Only that it is issued for 5 years from the day it is issued and allows you to enter Thailand during that period unlimited times for up to 180 days in each entry. It is possible (but optional) to extend at local immigration in Thailand to stay an additional 180 days before having to leave (and possibly re-enter) Thailand.
Requirements for the DTV are: Proof of 500k THB in savings + proof of either a remote work abroad or an (likely extended) participation in a โThai Soft Powerโ activity.
As with the METV, the DTV (unlike the LTR visa) is not meant to establish residency in Thailand. Though just like people used the METV, with which most people maximized their stay in Thailand up to 6 (or even close to 9) months with border runs, so will they with the DTV, only this time for up to almost 6 years.
The DTV (Destination Thailand Visa) is in effect an extended / longer version of the METV (Multiple Entry Tourist Visa).
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Explanation:
With the (good old) METV, you got a visa that was valid for 6 months from the day it was issued and allowed you to enter Thailand during that period an unlimited amount of times for up to 60 days on each entry. It is possible to extend at local immigration in Thailand to stay an additional 30 days on each entry before having to leave (and possibly re-enter) Thailand.
Requirements for the METV are: Proof of a certain amount of saving in the bank account + proof of need for multiple entries.
Now the DTV is the exact same thing. Only that it is issued for 5 years from the day it is issued and allows you to enter Thailand during that period unlimited times for up to 180 days in each entry. It is possible (but optional) to extend at local immigration in Thailand to stay an additional 180 days before having to leave (and possibly re-enter) Thailand.
Requirements for the DTV are: Proof of 500k THB in savings + proof of either a remote work abroad or an (likely extended) participation in a โThai Soft Powerโ activity.
As with the METV, the DTV (unlike the LTR visa) is not meant to establish residency in Thailand. Though just like people used the METV, with which most people maximized their stay in Thailand up to 6 (or even close to 9) months with border runs, so will they with the DTV, only this time for up to almost 6 years.
TLDR : Answer Summary
The Destination Thailand Visa (DTV) is an extension of the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV), allowing travelers to stay in Thailand for 180 days per entry over a five-year period. It requires proof of 500,000 THB in savings and an endorsement of participating in 'Thai Soft Power' activities like remote work or cultural classes. Users can extend their stay for an additional 180 days and re-enter multiple times without needing residency status.
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There is a significant difference between the two, at least on at the announcement level (I'm not sure if coming into effect changed anything relevant to that): the DTV allows me to legally work in Thailand during those 6 months. I mean, sure, it's not like me doing any kind of work on a laptop while on a tourist visa was something I'd have trouble with, but it's good to have legal clarity and be fully compliant with the Thai regulations.
Steve ****
Can anyone explain the sponser portion to the financial requirements?
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Steve ***
Sadly, there aren't any reports of success stories of this available at this point that I came across. Sponsor means that someone else guarantees that he will cover your expenses in lieu of you yourself having to demonstrate at least 500k THB in savings - could be your employer or relatives, maybe. We just don't know at this point. Also what will be accepted for this will be decided by the respective Thai consulate in your jurisdiction - and quite likely different consulates will have different requirement son this.Steve ****
@Frank-Steven **********
awesome thanks for responding!Reply to
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Chris *********
When. Dose the visa start the day you enter Thailand or the day you get the visa by email ?
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Chris ********
The visa validity of 5 years starts the day the visa is issued. Your first 180 days start the day you enter.Chris *********
@Frank-Steven **********
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Peter *********
@Chris ********
day you enter Thailand ๐น๐ญReply to
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Zeki ********
Thanks for this information. Can I apply for DTV while I'm In Thailand ??
Graham ******
Zeki ********
@Graham *****
Thanks I'll fly over to nearby country, I wonder how long it takes?Graham ******
@Zeki *******
The Embassy website you intend to use should have timescalesReply to
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Greg ***********
one interesting detail: if you stay in Thailand only 179 days per calendar year, and the entry and exit stamps in your passport prove this, you will NOT become a tax resident of Thailand. You could actually use this DTV for five consecutive 179-days stays every calendar year without ever becoming a tax resident. That's the law. It's not the visa category which decides if you have to pay tax, it's the number of days you actually spent in Thailand in one calendar year
Will *****
@Greg **********
If I am paying income tax to my home country (Canada) while living in Thailand, will i still be subject to double taxation? As I understand, only 1 country can tax my income.Greg ***********
@Will ****
well, if you stay away from Canada lonmger than 182 days, and more than 180 days inside Thailand, you become tax resident in Thailand. In regards to how the Thai tax revenue will implement the double taxation treaty with Canada, I cannot surely tell at the moment. Everything surrounding the tax plans of the Thais is still a mysteryMichael *******
@Greg **********
mystery ? effective JAN 2024 anyone who is in the country for more than 180 days is a tax resident and therefore required to submit a tax return before Mar 30 2025 - what does remain a mystery however, is how they will manage residents whoโs tax years are not in Sync with Thailand , Uk for example is Apr to Apr so how will they handle the DTA issue , my concern is that I will pay tax next Jan in thailand and only be able to off set against *****
UK tax - so a year in arrearsโฆโฆ..I plan a trip to the tax office in the next month to try to understand how they will deal with this, I suspect the news will not be positiveโฆโฆโฆSIN residency beckonsโฆโฆ.Reply to
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Sabine *********
@Greg **********
good to know. The 180 for tax paying is a rule in many countries. Which makes sence that you pau taxes in the country you stay longestReply to
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Greg ***********
@Sabine ********
be careful with information from this website. They post a lot of rubbish. This is NOT an offcial Thai government websiteSabine *********
@Greg **********
Not?Greg ***********
@Sabine ********
the only REAL and official Thai Embassy websites are those that pop up, when you use the wording "Royal Thai Embassy of (capital city)" in the Google search. In your case that would be the "Royal Thai Embassy The Hague"Greg ***********
@Sabine ********
no, and have never been an official site. They just pretend. And they are fulla crapReply to
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David ********
So, the two are the same HOW?! ๐คฃ๐
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@David *******
They work the same. You get a visa with a certain time of validity. And within that time of validity you can enter Thailand as many times as you want and stay up to a maximum amount of days after each entry.David ********
@Frank-Steven **********
REALLY, pretty much sounds like all multi entry visas worldwide.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@David *******
Exactly. Only many people didnโt get that the DTV is one of them and works like that. Thus my clarifying post.Reply to
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Danny ***********
Does this mean every year or 180 to be used within 5 years?
Tim ********
@Danny **********
every year.Reply to
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Tim ********
You canโt avoid the 180 day tax implication with DTV as it is a 180 day visa acting like a METV. It lasts 180 regardless. This is the way the govnt is ensuring that they can tax income from abroad.
If you leave after 179 days - it doesnโt change anything. The visa lasts for 180 regardless. However, you can decide to cancel it and leave I would assume.
If you leave after 179 days - it doesnโt change anything. The visa lasts for 180 regardless. However, you can decide to cancel it and leave I would assume.
Greg ***********
@Tim *******
if you stay in Thailand only 179 days per calendar year, and the entry and exit stamps in your passport prove this, you will NOT become a tax resident of Thailand. You could actually use this DTV for five consecutive 179-days stays every calendar year without ever becoming a tax resident. That's the law. It's not the visa category which decides if you have to pay tax, it's the number of days you actually spent in Thailand in one calendar yearReply to
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Max *************
In what universe is the DTV "the exact same thing" as the METV?
Dror *********
Also its impossible they would let people stay in thailand 180+180 which is 360 days and then what you can do it again so you 360 dyas in thailand and 5 days some where else? Seems unlikely
Tim ********
@Dror ********
thatโs exactly what it is. And you can do it for 5 years.Dror *********
@Tim *******
we will see about it. Just came out. Toursit visas were back to back before and it changedReply to
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@Dror ********
well thatโs what the visa is. 5 year multi entry so thatโs exactly what you can do. 180+180, stamp out of Thailand and stamp back in and do it againDror *********
@Jim *******
that would nigate almost any visa they have as people will be able to love in thailand 360 days a year every year. I doubt there is no limit on them and that you can do them back to back unlimited. If they are it will quickly be changedDror *********
@Jim *******
then where is the WP to go with it? Its not an actual working visa as wellJim ********
@Dror ********
you donโt need one. It is a digital nomad/remote worker/foreign talent/freelancer visa. If you do your research then all your questions will be answered ๐๐Reply to
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Shar *******
Thanks for sharing this is really helpful. Does it state that you need to be in another country to apply for this or can it be done whilst in thailand?
John **********
@Shar ******
you can't apply for it inside ThailandShar *******
@John *********
ok thanks. Can you apply for it in another country or only your home country?John **********
@Shar ******
I believe you can apply for it in any other country that offers itReply to
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Will *****
Does the DTV need to be applied from your home country? or can you apply for it while traveling in a foreign country's thai embassy/consulate?
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Will ****
Not completely clear at this time. There are indicators that the DTV might also be available in Thai consulates in some third countries. The next couple of days will tell.Reply to
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Vin *********
I read all of thar and still ca not find the 'one sentence ' promised...
Khun *****
Do you know if you have to apply for this visa in thailand or can it be done from your home countries Thai embassy UK in my case?
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Khun ****
Can ONLY be applied for outside of Thailand. Certainly in your home country - maybe also in thrird choutires.Khun *****
@Frank-Steven **********
great thank you! ๐Reply to
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Louise ********
Can I check on this. I thought the DTV visa meant that it was only valid to be used once so 6 months leave the country and get another 6 months and that was it. Are we saying it can be extended in Thailand once then at the 12 month mark you leave and then it is renewed again for 6 months? The comms hasnโt been clear on it. I run my own marketing business and wanted to use this to try and stay long term but didnโt think it would work. I also qualify for retirement visa in 6 years so this would fill the gap! Tia
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Louise *******
Yes. There was much confusing and wrong information spread. But now we know, you can enter as many times as you want within the validity of 5 years and this stay more or less permanently (with few border bounces).Louise ********
@Frank-Steven **********
do we also know about the spouse and child. I want to take both mine but we donโt have legal marriage. We had a blessing in Thailand but didnโt bother with the legal stuff! Or back in the uk! Do we need to do a quick dash to legalise this so they can be attached to my visa?Reply to
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Lyra *****
So you think they will let you extend for up to 6 years?? I thought they didn't want people to live there for long periods of time on it. Can't you before a permanent resident after 3 years?
Will *****
@Lyra ****
DTV does not provide you with pathway to PR.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Lyra ****
Good question. I am not sure. With the METV, they never really stopped people from border bouncing in that manner. If they did reject people it was for the (constructed) reason of having insufficient funds / assuming work in Thailand. But with a visa specifically given for doing remote work while in Thailand that reason of refusing someone from re-entering would seem void.As for permanent resicency. I believe there are more requrements involved than just spending periods of time in Thailand.
Ivan ************
@Lyra ****
PR requires unbroken extensions on a non immigrant visa for 3 years which isn't possible on this visa. You need to leave at minimum once per year and it's officially classed as a type of tourist visa.It does sound too good to be true but all indications are they will accept people staying for five years, the government published material on it clearly states just need to leave at least 1 day per year for a border run and can come straight back.
Graham ******
@Lyra ****
yes if you work and pay Thai income taxReply to
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Ben ***************
If you have the money but don't have a job , can you still get this?
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@James ********
Wouldn't that be nice? If you learn how to give massages, maybe ๐James *********
@Frank-Steven **********
Would 3X/week massages count towards leisurely activities?David *******
@Frank-Steven **********
that's a lot of dancing ๐๐Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@David ******
I personally would not hold my breath on that "music festival" example. I have heard of several consulates telling people that any booked leisure activity should be at least of 6 months duration to qualify. But that isn't official yet, either.David *******
@Frank-Steven **********
I agree. If "music festivals" are on there, surely language courses have to be ๐๐ปFrank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@David ******
Honestly, I have not explicitly seen it. Someone still gotta explain to me first, what "Thai Soft Power" even means or entails.David *******
Hi Frank. Where did you see language? I have seen wording of "activities such as" and lists sports, cooking, medical appointments etc...and I also assumed languages. This appeals to me because I book 3-4 week long courses on visa exempt visits, but can now hopefully book courses months at a time.
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Ben **************
If you have enough money to also afford to book a โThai Soft Powerโ recreational course like boxing or language course โฆ yes.Dave *********
@Frank-Steven **********
I wonder how much a 'Muay Thai class' would cost from an agent... The gravy train should be running before the high speed lines?Reply to
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Johannes *****
What about tax and social security for employed remote worker who stay more than 183 days per year? Tax exemption like the LTR for income from overseas or is it the new tax rule from January 2024?
John **********
@Johannes ****
it says nothing about tax exemption. 180 days or more inside Thailand in any calendar year makes you a tax resident. Bring income from overseas into Thailand in a tax year makes you liable to thai taxFrank-Steven ***********
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Very good questions. I have the same.Johannes *****
@Frank-Steven **********
Na, in den kommenden Tagen wird sich das sicherlich klรคren, aber ich befรผrchte, wir werden in Thailand steuerpflichtig.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Johannes ****
I think it will talke more than just days to have tax related aspects answered. Quite a bit unclear regarding tax at this point. From what I gathered so far: if taxable - only on foreign income actually transferred into Thailand (bang transfers to Thai bank account in own name). Cash / credit card deductions canโt be tracked. Practical issue: right now it would not even be possible to get a Thai tax id without work permit or passive income from within Thailand. I am diving deeper into that.Ivan ************
@Frank-Steven **********
should be possible to get a Thai tax ID, I know some retirees do it to claim back the 15% withholding on their 800k interest. I know others have got it because their home countries or home country financial institutions wanted it. My understanding, it's not related to visa type at all.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Ivan ***********
I have got to dive a little deeper into that. From what I knew so far was that you have to prove two things: Having been in Thailand for at least 180 days and having some income from within Thailand. Then and only then could you go and get a Thai Tax ID. But I am not sure how accurate that information was. Will look into it more.Ivan ************
@Frank-Steven **********
if you have a bank account that pays interest you have Thai income, even if it's only a few baht per year.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Ivan ***********
Funny. That is the reasoning I thought of today, having just seen that I got a few THB of interest on my Thai bank account (which I usually only top up with some pocket money). :-DJohannes *****
@Frank-Steven **********
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Ethan ********
Anyone has a boxing class they would recommend that would write me that letter for the embassy?
Angelo ***********
@Ethan *******
For Boxing classes you need an Non ED Visa and not a DTV.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Angelo **********
From what it seems, the DTV can be an alternative to Non ED visa in case of non formal education now - likely even make Non ED visa the less desirable option.Angelo ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
Yes it could. But a boxing gym has no business in signing anything regarding a DTV. However they could/would make an ED visa for you.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Angelo **********
Nobody knows yet what proof / documents are required to demonstrate eligibility for the DTV in the "Soft Power Thailand" category. But a recreational activity like boxing gym will likely qualify. That would be a good thing - cause the bureaucratic process of obtaining an ED visa and the overcharging often done for that "service" will find an end.Angelo ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
ED visa do not have overcharges. They simply cost initially 4000THB. No idea where you get your info from. Visa vise the DTV is more expensive as it costs around 12,000THB and requires 500,000THB on a bank account.You are confused about something. If you want one of them: the ED visa is most certainly the simplest and cheapest solution.
The DTV allows you to work, the ED visa does not ... any more questions?
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Angelo **********
I am good. Thank you. I think you have some things confused. Good night.Angelo ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
No, you have some things confused. I suggest to contemplate and reword your question to ask what you actually want to ask. Then delete this post. And ask the real question. If you think you can "abuse" the DTV as an monster ED visa: you read something wrong on the internet (and it would not make any sense as a real ED visa is cheaper).Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Angelo **********
And I donโt have any questions for you. I suggest you brush up your knowledge about the new DTV visa first. I shared extensive information on it over the past days here - including its original law text.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Angelo **********
The actual visa fees for an initial ED visa might be cheaper, yes. But an ED visa has to be extended at immigration every 3 months at an additional fee of 1,900 THB. On top of that, most schools charge much more for their courses, if you require an ED visa vs. if you just book their courses without their support in obtaining an ED visa. An ED visa also has a shorter total maximum length. And no, the DTV is not only designed for remote working - that is only one of its two categories. The other DTV category is explicitly participating in recreational courses and activities.Angelo ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
Everyone knows. Go to your home embassy web site and apply. Facepalm.Reply to
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Chris *****
Thanks pal. This makes a lot of sense.
Jack *****
curious as to thoughts.... would this DTV ... be a better solution... for someone that is married to a Thai woman.. and want to stay year round with her.. build home on family property.. just trying to find the best way to do this... for the least amount of money tied up in bank.. foreign or thai bank.. thank you for your consideration in answering with your thoughts.. I will be in the yellow book upon my return early sept.. all marriage documents local district office.
John **********
@Jack ****
when all is said and done the DTV is a tourist visa, not really appropriate for long term staysIvan ************
@Ja**
it would mean you'd have to renew after six months and leave after 1 year which you don't need to do on marriage. Possibly will be a one time showing off 500k though. You'd have the 40k monthly income option with the marriage visa too which needs no money tied up in the bank.Reply to
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Farah *******
I did an METV 2 weeks ago didnโt need to provide neither proof of any amount neither proof of need for multiple entries these were the previous requirements not anymore
Jake ***********
I'm from the UK but already in Thailand. Can I apply without returning to the UK?
John **********
@Jake **********
it's on the Vientiane embassy Web siteJake ***********
@David ******
ive seen many people say many things, however I have not seen a reliable source to confirm this.David *******
I've seen people saying can "apply from Thailand consulate" which I am sure there is in Vietnam
Ivan ************
@Ja**
you can't apply from within Thailand, the question is whether you need to go back to the UK to apply or if you could do it from a nearer country.Jake ***********
Yes this is what I'm asking - can't find any information on this.
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Lee ***********
Indeed, the poster is confusing and raises so many questions for everyone having been through visa processes or not, your posts have added clarity.
Klaus ***********
This employment contract is still a uncertainty with me. Any employment will do or must it indicate a remote working phrase?
Will a confirmation letter by the company sufficient or do they need the whole contract which can be in cases many pages long?
Will a confirmation letter by the company sufficient or do they need the whole contract which can be in cases many pages long?
Andi ***********
@Klaus **********
The contract must show it is remote work and the income is from overseas, no minimum income required according to London Thai Embassy.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Klaus **********
Yes. We are all still a bit in the dark regarding what kind of supporting documents actually will be accepted. I hope the consulates will update their takes on that within the next days. It is more open than just a strict employment contract, as freelancers and the like are also invited. But there would need to be some kind of prove of an income from abroad.Rowan *********
@Frank-Steven **********
any updates on this? Thanks ๐Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Rowan ********
Either proof of a registered company in your name, or a current letter from an employer stating the freedom to work remotely from Thailand seem to be the most commonly accepted ways so far.Rowan *********
@Frank-Steven **********
Thank you. Another question if you donโt mind. Do we need to apply in our home country, or can this be done in a neighboring country such as Laos, Vientiane?Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Rowan ********
Good question. Still not fully clear. It seems that some consulates in 3rd / neighboring countries do accept applications from foreigners / non-residents, others donโt. I have yet to see / hear of the first success story of someone successfully having gotten a paper sticker DTV in Laos, Malaysia, Cambodia, or Vietnam. Maybe this question will be answered in a few days when people report their experiences.Reply to
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Klaus ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
great post and content by the way -who are you I mean what makes you so knowledgeable?Frank-Steven ***********
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Lee ***********
Thanks Frank, appreciate your comparison and your replies, your making this very sensible to follow ๐
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Lee **********
Thanks. I am trying. I just still saw so much confusion even after the law was published in the Royal Gazette - so I thought I explain it with this analogy to the METV which some people know and understand already.Reply to
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Klaus ***********
500k in Thai bank account or foreign?
Jim ********
@Klaus **********
You apply for it through eVisa so it'll be in a foreign bank accountGreg ***********
@Jim *******
it can be in any account, foreign or Thai, that's what the deputy minister said in the videoJim ********
@Greg **********
Correct. I was giving the sensible option. Just about anywhere else in the world will offer better interest rates than a Thai accountGreg ***********
@Jim *******
you should not come to Thailand if you are worried about interest rates for 14.000.- U.S. Dollars. Thailand obviously is too expensive for you ๐๐Jim ********
@Greg **********
Too late. I've been living in Thailand already 15 years. I prefer to get 9-10% tax free from Australian super fund rather than 1% from a Thai bank. You prefer the other way and that's your choice. I don't have any confidence in your advice - only two days ago you were telling everyone the DTV extension would cost 10,000 baht! ๐๐๐๐๐Greg ***********
have a nice das
@Jim *******
and fell so friggin great assuming you are the grandmaster of visa advice ๐๐๐Jim ********
@Greg **********
No need to be so salty. You were the one who attacked me and asked me if I could comprehend English, whereas you were the dickhead who believed a friggin' lowlife visa agent. Look at your own faults before attacking othersGreg ***********
@Jim *******
shifting attention away from the culprits. I love itJim ********
@Greg **********
If you believe the crap pedalled by a visa agent, it's entirely your error. Don't blame those who tried to give you the correct informationGreg ***********
@Jim *******
it is the usual crap they post on their website which pretends to be an official Thai Embassy, which it is not (thaiembassy dot com)Greg ***********
@Jim *******
Bart also was wrong in the first instance, however this occured because he trusted the BS Siam Legal publishedGreg ***********
@Jim *******
๐๐ I am very happy I wasn't the only one! Even SIAM LEGAL published that the extension would cost 10.000.- THB. Only a few days later they realized their mistakeReply to
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Klaus **********
No indication so far that it needs to be in a Thai bank account. Highly unlikely this will be required, as this visa is geard towards people outside of Thailand. A savings account in your home country will do. A screemshot or something won't - send a real account statement with your name on it.Reply to
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Shaughn ***********
Now how about compare it to the 5 year elite visa which may become somewhat obsolete because of this.
Nongnuch ********
@Shaughn **********
There is a lot of excitement online and in the groups, all 5-year ELITE PRIVILEGE visa holders feel like they are being taken for a ride.Understandable!
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@Shaughn **********
dead visa... Since the massive price increase, sales were not good, add this new "open border" visa and it's a done dealIvan ************
Elite is Elite though
@Sha****
better class of people, also you get buy 1 get 1 free at Mos Burger (once per month)Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Shaughn **********
Feel free to do so ๐ I never dove deep into the Elite visa. I never considered to pay that kind of visa fees for the mere "benefit" of being allowed to spend more of my foreign money for longer in Thailand. I think with both the LTR and the DTV in place now, the Elite visa should be dead. The Elite would have made sense at the time, if it came with better benefits, like tax exemption, work permit, or right for personal land ownership - but it didn't.Reply to
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Tom ********
Great info but can you elaborate more on what Thai Soft Powerโ activity means? TIA
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@Frank-Steven **********
I am hoping rugby is on that list ๐Frank-Steven ***********
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I wish ๐ That is the Thai governments wording. I never quite got it. They mean attending leisure activities like boxing or language courses. But it is unclear of how long or extensive such a course would need to be to qualify.Reply to
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Simon ************
You know more if the 500k need to be there every time you extend or only when aply for the visa?
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Ivan ***********
On a bad day at local immigration extensions can also take longer than a border run. ๐
But your input is correct.Jim ********
@Simon ***********
Why would you extend when you can border bounce?Ivan ************
@Jim *******
extension is a lot quicker. How much so depends how close you are to a border/airport. Certainly if extensions are 1,900 but even if they are 10k I could see people choosing to extend in country if they don't want to leave for some other reason.Jim ********
@Greg **********
Extensions are 1900 baht. The 5-year visa is 10,000 bahtJim ********
@Greg **********
Extensions are 1900 baht, the same as any other multi-entry visa. The information from the Thai government does not state 10,000 baht for extension, only for visa priceGreg ***********
@Jim *******
THATโS what was announced. Read carefully. We all try to understand the bad and ill logical English of the Thais, their inability to pinpoint detail in correct language:๐ก๐ฒ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐๐๐ถ๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ง๐ต๐ฎ๐ถ๐น๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฉ๐ถ๐๐ฎ (๐๐ง๐ฉ): A new visa category will be introduced for work and tourism, allowing stays of up to 180 days per visit, with a five-year validity and extension options.
Mr. Chai further stated that a new visa category, the Destination Thailand Visa (DTV), will be introduced for foreigners wishing to stay in Thailand for work and tourism simultaneously (workcation).
The qualifications and benefits are as follows:
The new visa is for foreigners wishing to stay for long-term tourism and remote work.
This includes high-skilled individuals (foreign talent) and freelancers (digital nomads/freelancers),
It also includes those wishing to engage in other activities such as learning Muay Thai and martial arts, cooking classes, sports training, healthcare, training, seminars, and art and music exhibitions.
It might include โDependentsโ of the foreigners who have been issued the DTV visa, including legal spouses and children under 20 years old.
Foreigners must have financial proof or financial support evidence for their travel or a guarantor with a minimum amount of 500,000 THB throughout their stay in Thailand.
Benefits include receiving the DTV, allowing a stay in Thailand for up to 180 days per visit, with a visa fee of 10,000 THB.
The visa is valid for five years and can be extended once for up to 180 days by paying an additional 10,000 THB. The visa type can be changed within the country, but the original visa will be terminated.โ
Greg ***********
This is official! This came from the prime minister's press office. It was published on the prd government website
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@Jim *******
it means, you can get another 180 days for the whole duration of the visa validity, if you border bounce. In case you EXTEND, you need to pay 10.000 THB one more time, however after this first extension, the DTV visa will be revoked and become invalid. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW ?Jim ********
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@Jim *******
I got it, extensions can be had for a 1900.- THB feeJim ********
@Greg **********
No idea what you're on about. The DTV is five years validity with multiple entries. An in-country extension is 1900 baht. This is the same way all Thai visa work. ๐Jim ********
@Greg **********
Correct. You forgot underline:-DURATION: 5 YEARS MULTIPLE-ENTRY
VISA FEE: 10,000 THB
Greg ***********
so, no consecutive extensions possible. You are allowed to extend once for 180 more days, however before the expiry, you need to do a border run
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Greg **********
Like that. Only ONE extension possible per entry. Then you need to leave and re-enter and can do another extension (if you want to).Jim ********
@Frank-Steven **********
There's no requirement to do an in-country extension. For a frequent traveller such as myself the constant stream of free re-entries will suffice!Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Jim *******
Absolutely. Never claimed anything else. All extensions on the DTV are optional. Can bounce borders every 180 days, in theory.Jim ********
@Frank-Steven **********
Yes I realise you are on the same page as me. Your initial post is pretty spot-on. Other posters here are making ludicrous claims that you can stay only 180 days per year, and each time you enter you pay another 10,000 baht. I'll bet these are people who have already paid the 50k for the LTR and are now melting down over this much cheaper alternativeGreg ***********
@Jim *******
we'll see. There was a report from Immigration Chiang Mai, that you need to extend the first 180 days one time, before you can get another 180 days stay permit only by doing a border runFrank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Greg **********
Neither a paid extension of stay nor a free border bounce will cause the visa to be revoked or invalidated. That is just mot true. It is a 5 year visa. And for those 5 years you can enter as many times as you want - with or without optional extensions in between.Greg ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
i am tempted to believe you. Most of your interpretations sound fine to me.Greg ***********
@Jim *******
WHICH PART of the official announcement of the prime ministers office DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? "Benefits include receiving the DTV, allowing a stay in Thailand for up to 180 days per visit, with a visa fee of 10,000 THB.The visa is valid for five years and can be extended once for up to 180 days by paying an additional 10,000 THB. The visa type can be changed within the country, but the original visa will be terminated.โ
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@Jim *******
okIvan ************
One other thing though about extensions in the Gazette is it mentions having the 500k at extension time, but only in reference to a spouse or child, so maybe it's only if extending those categories.
"(2) Accompanying persons of the aliens under (1) who are legal spouses and children who are not more than twenty years of age
Aliens under (1) must have financial evidence. or evidence of financial support For travel or having a guarantor of not less than 500,000 baht according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. and the Immigration Bureau jointly determine When submitting an application for a visa or requesting an extension of time Permission to stay in the Kingdom temporarily"
"(2) Accompanying persons of the aliens under (1) who are legal spouses and children who are not more than twenty years of age
Aliens under (1) must have financial evidence. or evidence of financial support For travel or having a guarantor of not less than 500,000 baht according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. and the Immigration Bureau jointly determine When submitting an application for a visa or requesting an extension of time Permission to stay in the Kingdom temporarily"
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@Gr**
I know there was talk of that but there is no mention of a 10k extension fee in the Royal Gazette announcement, only 10k for the visa, and that it will be extendable once per entry (no price). Every other extension is 1,900 so I'd suspect this one will be too and the original talk of 10k extensions was mistaken. We'll see soon enough I guess.Frank-Steven ***********
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fingers crossed ๐คReply to
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Simon ***********
Also not known. Certainly need to be proved at the time of applying for the visa. I would assume that immigtation in Thailand would also be within their rights to ask for proof again on extension, if they are in doubt. And even at the airport or land borders, immigraiton officers are at liberty to ensure you have sufficient funds to support yourself during your stay in Thailand. Theory aside - I would expect that you won't have to prove anything in most cases once you hold that visa in your hands.Reply to
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Does the proof of 500k have to be cash in a savings account?
Or can I show cash equivalent assets in an investment account? (I.e stocks, etf)
Or can I show cash equivalent assets in an investment account? (I.e stocks, etf)
Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Corey *******
Not regulated in the published law. Will likely depend on the consulate which you are apply at. I would assume that it needs to be in a savings account in most cases - that was the case with requirements for other visa.Reply to
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Felix *******
I see why you draw parallels with the METV, and I know there's no point debating this because no one really knows it yet.
But I want to point out "is not meant to establish residency in Thailand" isn't based on any fact. We will need to wait and see if visa holders can open bank accounts, apply visas from Thailand, get practical tax resident status, etc.
But I want to point out "is not meant to establish residency in Thailand" isn't based on any fact. We will need to wait and see if visa holders can open bank accounts, apply visas from Thailand, get practical tax resident status, etc.
Graham ******
@Felix ******
The first stage of getting Thai residency is 3 full years of working and paying Thai taxes. This Visa clearly states no employment.Andy **********
@Felix ******
You can't establish residency through a 10 year LTR either. This DTV is a tourist visa.Jim ********
@Andy *********
I mean itโs not a tourist visa but I see your pointBrandon ************
@Andy *********
the BOI has specifically said that LTR has a path to permanent residency and citizenship. But what that actually means in practice is unknown as of yet.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Brandon ***********
I didn't know that. Interesting. Maybe they meant only the LTR of the "Highly Skilled Professionals" category for those working in Thailand for a Thai entity. Or all LTR holders working for a Thai company. Sadly, that would exclude the LTR for Remote Workers, where they scrapped the possibility of (additionally) working for a Thai company / work permit.Jj ****
@Brandon ***********
by current laws no as you require non-immigrant visa for that (B or O with 3 yearly extensions). From the BOI itself. Same with the SMART visa. Immigration/PR (called certificate of residence actually)/nationality laws can change anytime thoughAndy **********
@Jj ***
Yes visa rules can change at any time. People with a 5 year LTR expecting another 5 years might find the Thai government has changed their mind/moved the goal posts.Reply to
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Andy *********
Not permanent residency, no (that is a different beast). But the LTR with the ability to stay up to 10 years without leaving is definitely meant for temporary residency. Isn't really of much practical consequence at this point, though.Reply to
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Felix ******
The official law is published. It states exactly what I claimed and illustrates that the DTV works exactly like the METV - just with a longer validity and longer stamped in stays. So no need to debate this.As for your other point ... well, that is dependend on how you define residency. But you are right, if opening bank accounts, getting 5 year driving licences, and getting a tax ID etc is feasable with the DTV ... then it can be seen as some sort of unofficial residency visa, yes. Strictly speaking a visa geared towards residency would allow you to stay in country beyond the threshhold of becoming a (tax) resident.
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Jim ********
And if you extend, Is each extension is 10,000 baht?
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@Jim *******
itโs 1900 baht for the extension.Jim ********
@Greg ******
I knew it mate but people were adamant they were 10k per extensionReply to
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@Frank-Steven **********
yeh Iโve seen some comments saying itโs 10k per extension but I donโt think that is right but like you say too early to say I guess ๐คทโโ๏ธGraham ******
@Jim *******
but it is if you choose extension not border bounceJim ********
@Graham *****
yeh I know about that. I just donโt feel the 10k extension sounds right ๐คทโโ๏ธGraham ******
@Jim *******
but it is what it isJim ********
@Graham *****
yes I was only asking the OP for confirmation. Never once asked for your inputReply to
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Jim *******
That is what they mentioned initially. There is no "price" mentioned in the published law in the royal gazette. So, maybe up to the immigration. Maybe it will even only be 1,900 THB like with all other visa. Cannot say at this point.Frank-Steven ***********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Jim *******
I think I am the OP ๐Jim ********
@Frank-Steven **********
replied to the wrong person ๐๐ sorry mateReply to
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