Is it a violation of human rights for Thailand to deny long-term visas after multiple short visits?

TiT

Love it or leave it!

All I know is I would rather live in a country that does its best to control its boarders and keep people out who cannot support theirselves, unlike the Pathetic country that i am from, If I move to a country that I am not a native of, I abide by the rules of that country, i respect the natuve population and the countries laws, religeon and culture.

What a load of pish .

How about if I condider my human right to live wherever I want and..... it is inside your house?

In Thailand, human rights are not understood in the same way as in Europe. Many people work seven days a week and have very limited vacation rights, often only a few days. Maternity leave is only four months. In theory, if you are denied something, you should be informed that you have the right to appeal, as would be the case anywhere in the world.

In practice, however, there is no real separation of powers. One person, or someone “higher up,” makes the decision, and there is very little you can do about it. Despite this, there are many positive things here that do not exist in Europe, which is why many people choose to stay and live in Thailand.

I have also read that people have started being prevented from leaving through land borders. This is Asia — if you don’t like it, you are free to leave.

well ,it is a bit hyprocrital to claim human rights violations if you are personally involved bnt not complain about other human rights thailand is not respecting such as :

- freedom of expression (see 112)

- right on asylum (see treatment of refugees)

Legitimate question: where did you read that you have the right to all Earth as a human?

I understand your initial impression about having rights to the planet, but try to think about it a different way maybe..... If somebody has a house, do you have a right to

enter the house?

So in that example Thailand is the house and Thailand's government is the caretaker of the house. They are simply making the rules for who can enter their house and who can't. I'm fairly sure you probably do the same thing for your dwelling.

On another note, it would seem that their policy would reduce tourism, but they still have many options such as tourist species for 60 days and 6 months. So they really aren't limiting anybody's ability to visit the country. They're just making you jump through different hoops to get there. The fact that they were utilizing a Visa exempt entry policy was a benefit that I think we all took for granted at some point, particularly Americans and Europeans as we can go to a lot of countries without getting a Visa beforehand. Many countries make you apply for a Visa before you arrive. And depending on which country you are from, you may need to apply for a Visa to enter most countries.

"As humans, we have a right to the earth as a planet. Or at least, that's how it should be." - if you are a religious person, perhaps a Christian or Muslim, possibly some other religions, you would know the 'story' of Adam and Eve, that because of the first sin against God, they were booted out of The Garden of Eden and lost the 'right' to A PERFECT world. After that, as those first two humans procreated, sin took over, hate and division became part of life. People became territorial and didn't want 'outsiders' in their territory. That's what led to 'dividing up' the earth and Borders between groups - again, if you're of those religious beliefs.

So here we are, as much as many, maybe even most people would like otherwise, we are divided, by beliefs, by borders and more.

"If someone was twice in Thailand and can't apply for long term visa as nonO, then they cannot enter Thailand. Isn't it ridiculous?" - This is the result of a 'divided world' as much as we would like it to be a free world, without hate, divisions, borders and more that separates people. As such, countries have made their own rules to live by, most of them imperfect, just like every person that makes them up. I'm sure that just about every country, if not all, has rules and requirements for foreigners if they want to live there for longer than a short visit. Not financially rich enough to buy Visa designed for wealthy people? Ohh that's a bummer isn't it - I know the feeling. Not old enough for a 'retirement' Visa? Ohh that's not good either, is it? What about having a partner in the country that you want to live in? There's a Visa available if you marry that person, so what's the problem applying for that Visa? Not actually married yet? Ohh, what's stopping you if you're so desperate to live in their country, in this case, Thailand?

"Isn't it against of human rights?" - without reading or knowing much about the United Nations charter on Human Rights, that is about trying to make sure that people are protected from abuse, that people have food and water to be able to live and other rights, not rights to live in any country we want to. Also, Imagine how overpopulated Thailand would be if all the people that loves the country could freely move there without restriction. How about this scenario; I don't like where I'm living now, but I like where you live. I like your house. How about I will pay a small annual fee and I'll move in with you? Like the idea? What if I have some secrets - that I might be a violent criminal, a drug user and trafficker, or maybe a rapist with a liking for your partner? Can I still move in? NO, you say, why not? Ohh, you have certain standards or requirements to move in where you live? So do countries. Unfortunately, I too would like to be free to live in whatever place on Earth that I would like to, but it's not a perfect world.

"This isn't a thread for arguments or trolling. It's a philosophical discussion." - if one has read the details of what this group's purpose is, they would know it's about helping people with Visas and other matters, like banking and more, related living in Thailand. Nowhere does it say that it's a place for" philosophical discussions", which can lead to differing opinions and arguments. There may be Facebook groups for that, and if not, then the general Facebook platform.

I hope that's philosophical enough.

Human rights? To enter a country??

Nothing to do with human rights. Thailand gets to choose who can enter. Are the borders open to the world in your country?

Also, if you’ve been twice to Thailand in a year, you may still enter again on a visa exemption. But, you mustn’t exceed 180 days in that year.

The problem is this

Countries have turned into corporations

You want to change corporations it’s a huge hurdle to get the new credentials and it could take years

Each “Citizen” is basically an employee that pays a subscription plan that’s called taxes that will get them a subscription to the corporations fringe benefits like retirement pension healthcare etc etc etc

Each corporation safeguards these benefits to only allow the tax employee to obtain them even though New employees are either created organically or via a “New” hire procedure

The employees that get jobs in the govt know the benefits of the corporation they work in and will put in safeguards and security at the entrance points to thwart approaching new wannabe employees from getting full employment rights

The corporations allow temps to come in and stay in the corporation for a limited amount of time…the temps will either want to be full time employees or help the corporation with monetary assistance for the fringe benefits but will never become a full vetted employee

This all Man made around the world

Why don't you just head on over to North Korea jump on in

Immigration isnt a human right ---- i stopped reading when you included human right with immigration

So many moaning entitled white people.

U dont need long term visa, just tourist visa and fasttrack and u good

Sorry pal but as a foreigner in Thailand you have no rights. They want you to pay tax though.

Human rights,,,,try getting a visa for your girlfriend to visit UK just hpas a tourist...way more difficult than the other way around....

It’s not your country.

You have no rights to someone else’s property.

ey leftie

go with your human right bag to gaza city and go there do your holiday🙏🏽

who are you to make the thai system in discredit🖕🏽🐖

Incredibly naive or very stupid. Passports have been around in one form or another for over 1000 years giving you permission to visit another country and to abide by its laws. A country sets its own immigration laws and as a visitor we have to abide by them whether we agree with them or not. If you don't like them you are free to leave.

Bro you don't want trolling but your post seems like trolling. Human rights😆😆

Just don't try to come and then it won't be against you human rights and you won't be offended and I'm sure Thailand won't be upset.

Why would they not be able to get a visa. Money/ age ?

I dont know which country you are from but for 45 years i have been travelling around the world and each country has a system to regulate entry by foreigners. They are created out of historical and cultural bias and are a method of defence. Immigration controls are a defence of territory. If you are welcomed into someone elses territory have respect and a willingingness to demonstrate you are not a threat. If you think this system is bad then imagine you want to get a visa from outside your own nation to go to where you are from. You will see if you are from a western nation it makes thai system look like heaven.

Ridiculous post from arrogant OP

Entering a country that is not your own is not a human right lol all countries have immigration policies. Consider that Thailand is currently having issues with Cambodia so it is only natural they tighten their border security and enforce the laws they have and even tighten the rules of entry.

i enter Singapore 12 times a year and never get questioned. The same here in Thailand before I got my visa. And in Singapore you can enter without speaking to IO. The only people that are being denied or questioned are people doing something abusive. Border bounces etc.

Your initial thinking of right to live anywhere is already so wrong - presumptuous, lack of basic understanding of national security & just emotionally reactive.

Focus your thinking of how to live in Thailand and work from there ..

Ah a sovereign citizen in the wild

Every country has the right to decide who gets to visit and rightfully so.

But you can apply for a Non-O...

Complain to UNHCR, im sure they will listen.

Geez… Human rights? A little dramatic don’t you think? 

Human rights, territories, rights. Those are basic words you, as a human (so you claim), haven't learned yet in your days on Earth?🤣

You are trying to live in Thailand as a tourist. That is not allowed and never has been but there has been so much abuse of the systems in place that immigration are now enforcing the rules rigorously and that is a good thing. It will stop a lot if illegal activity. If you want to live in Thailand yiu need to get the right Visa and if that is not possible then you should have taken that into consideration before getting into the situation you are now in. The only country where you can just turn up with no ID and get housed, fed and given spending money plus a whole load of other benefits is the UK.

The solution to your particular problem is to ge married its simple respect of the countres rules and regulations. I had to do same thing 26 years ago in Singapore.

Alternatively take your girlfriend and child to your home country.

These are things you should have thought of before bringing another human into this world.

You want to see Human rights in Thailand go look at some of the refugee enclaves there are a few in Bangkok.

Philosophical discussion on FB 😫🤣🤣🤣😫

The new restrictions are in place because to many people abused the original system. In fact to many people are now abusing the new system.

@Michael *******

it’s time to stop your trolling. This isn’t a philosophical question it is is pure mischief. Your question has more to do with countries like USA, Russia, China etc than Thailand. All countries restrict who can live and travel there not just Thailand. It’s time to shut up and go away.

Bro, you have been posting here many times, obtaining a Thai DL, purchasing a motorcycle, multiple bounces, boasting you are a new father (congratulations) and saying you have been living here for 2 years,

You are trying to navigate in muddy water, immigration can see this, they know you're not a genuine traveler. Everything gets recorded, everything! Your digging your grave, and will be banned if not careful. Go home, regroup for 2026. Get the required visa for your required visit. You're not a tourist here anymore and if a Facebook group can see this, damn certain immigration can.

People that are doing what you are, this is the reason for all these new changes.

You're trying to enter another country, act accordingly, Thailand doesn't want, nor need anymore leaches. And they are sending clear msgs to those individuals.

Thailand needs to be absolutely clear on entry rules now. We all know the requirements never changed but the new visa exceptions is a ? Cause if you were here last year for a 180 days in a calendar year by their own rules perfectly legal, and now if you go back in after a year they say you over stayed the new 150 days rule that was just put into place makes no sense. Thailand said your visa exceptions start over every calendar year what does that mean ? A year from the first time you entered last year not January to January. So confusing so they need written rules for the immigration officers to follow. Even if you get a tourist visa you can be denied on your previous 180 days in the last year and it’s up to the immigration officers in front of you. A man and wife on YouTube left Thailand and went to Vietnam went back to Thailand and the husband went to one immigration officer and got in his wife went to a different immigration officer and got denied but travel together so the system needs clarity so everybody knows for sure.

I am going to say this in a Thai accent. Go back to your own country. No human rights here.

It’s just a shame that London Visa approvals are so slow at the moment. We are doing the right thing, paid our money on 17 Nov for Non-O. We fly on Tuesday 16 Dec and no visas. We are sat on status Pending Approval. We wish to stay 90 days and it’s just a pain having to go to Immigration for extension.

My point here is ignore the 5 days turnover that they advertise. Who knows whether ours will arrive at last min.

You've misunderstood the rules. There's no ban on 2 or more visa exempt entries.

I doubt your argument would stand up in any court. You are an ALIEN in Thailand. Get used to it. Governments everywhere decide who to allow into their respective countries. You could try entering as a potential refugee but be prepared to be ridiculed and then locked up.

If you want to witness violation of human rights visit The Divided States of America.

Non nationals must adhere to visa requirements. Full stop. It's not a matter of a right, it is a matter of personal responsibility to be in a country of which you are not a passport holder. It is worth commenting on what little info was provided in the original post. "...cant apply for long term visa as Non O..." One of the primary requirements for obtaining a 12 month extension for Non O is you must apply for, receive, and enter on a 90 day Non O from outside Thailand first. I repeat, this is only ONE of the primary requirements. With helpful groups such as this online, there is no excuse for ignorance. No insult intended. We don't know what we don't know, so act TO know.

You can get a non O visa at a Thai consulate outside Thailand.

I see so many tourists, begging for$.and dirty looking, drunk, fighting, no insurance, specialty yougs whit little respect for the Thai law. I hope Thailand don't get invaded by to much of those free abusing immigrants 🙏🤞✌️

Sounds like colonial entitlement to me. Especially if your country does not reciprocate the same openness to it's borders and sovereignty. I'm more amazed at the attitude like it's your right to come and go as you please.

So abusing visa extempt entries is good right? No wonder immigration tighten the rules it's because people like you screwing it up for everyone else.

Against human rights 🤣

What’s your home address so I can just walk in and make myself at home.

You can’t object as it will be against my human rights 🤪

You have no human right access to a foreign country. It is a stressful reality when in a relationship with a citizen of another country

Who give s you that human right?

I don’t see it as a violation of human rights if you are denied entry. You’re a guest who must meet entry requirements. Has your home country ever denied entry to anyone? Do you see it as a violation of their human rights should they not meet entry requirements?I don’t mean this in any sarcastic way rather just asking a thought-provoking question.

You can visit, that's not being stopped. It's people who arrive, extend, border bounce, extend, border bounce etc they aren't considered tourists. If you visit, leave/ go home, return later and return again that shouldn't be an issue. You need your accomodation booking, cash and proof of leaving within the permitted stay.

It’s normal

And they make it so hard to get everything. The bank accounts. Someone posted here that they wanted to see flash money but they wouldn't let them go to the ATM at the airport.

you don't have the automatic right to reside in any country except your "home" country.