Why is the visa application process in Thailand considered outdated compared to other countries?

Nov 4, 2024
17 days ago
Richard **********
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As it is the modern times of 2024, why is the visa application process still 100 years in the past? I do not want to fix my itinerary before I travel, I am a free spirit who likes to learn by doing and my plans may change, so why would I even go to a country that expects me to book everything rigidly in advance? Malaysia seems a lot more civilised and business minded to me.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The discussion revolves around the perception that Thailand's visa application process is outdated and overly rigid compared to other countries like Malaysia. The original poster expresses frustration about needing to fix travel itineraries before arriving in Thailand, asserting a desire for more flexibility. Respondents clarify that while a ticket out of Thailand may be required, many travelers have successfully entered the country without extensive prior bookings. They emphasize that policies differ by airline rather than the Thai immigration process itself. Various experiences are shared, with some travelers advocating for Thailand's systems as practical, while others support the idea of seeking less bureaucratic environments.
Kirill **********
Good writing
Alfred ***********
Welcome to Thailand the country of unlimited beuraucy
Carey *********
Why are you asking others to be disquisitive of your choices?
Pascal ********
Great go Malaysia
Tim ******
MDAC
Richard **********
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@Tim *****
the difference here, if you failed to spot it, is they are only asking if you will leave before 90 days. Not asking for a complete itinerary even if you only give a fictional story. The main point is, why ask for itinerary details and then look like you are just time wasting and trying to overcomplicate matters and not actually have any infrastructure or policies and procedures to require anyone to do what they put on the form. Just another case of state brutality and a hostile environment for the sake of making a few baht. Not a proven method for earning respect...
Luit *****************
@Richard *********
The 90 days is not for everyone, when I as EU citizen cross the Thai / Malaysia border I get a 90 day stamp and my Thai girlfriend only gets 30 days.

Every country has its own and complicated rules.

If rules for you for a certain country might be difficult to comply with, it just might not mean that country is 100 years back in time, but just does not want you to stimulate to enter the country.
Tim ******
@Luit ****************
Yes, exactly. There are things in Thailand that I don't like. But the problem mentioned by the OP would never have occurred to me. Every country has its own peculiarities that are not what you would like. Then you have to decide whether to travel to the country because of that or just leave it.
Tim ******
Beginning 1 January 2024 all foreign citizens travelling to Malaysia are required to complete the Malaysia Digital Arrival Card (MDAC) three (3) days prior to arrival (except MM2H holders).

Sorry free spirit.
Richard **********
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@Tim *****
well the last 3 times I have been it took 5 minutes to complete on my phone at the airport or ferry terminal. So yes, I still feel free to follow my desire to visit a great place with great people. I think what you missed is it is up to 3 days before departure.
Tim ******
"As it is the modern times of 2024". Definitely not.

Look at the US election campaign šŸ¤£.

I don't understand what you complained about.

In which country do you not have to do this?
Nick ************
Enjoy Malaysia
Richard **********
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@Nick ***********
it's great. Here for 7 days then back home to ting tong life, bending not breaking the rules because the rules are nonsensical. Designed to create a market for agents to milk cash vows.
Nick ************
@Richard *********
the rules are not difficult to interpret, it just takes a little patience. You do not have to use an agent if you can meet the Visa requirements. Maybe you can't afford it.
Richard **********
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@Nick ***********
the rules and guidance are vague and interpreted differently by different ports, embassy, immigration departments, police,and agents are there because of the deliberate confusion designed to create money spinning enterprises some are convinced are necessary and value for money. No wonder many foreigners are viewed as having more money than sense, falling for it so many times.
Bent *************
Who on Earth told you that you had to book everything in advance?
Richard **********
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@Bent ************
if the question on the application asks for your flight details and accommodation details then I think they want you to respond.
Dror *********
Than be a free spirit in your own country or love like a hippy. You want to come here you need a visa end of story
Wayne ********
You sound like a little whinny snowflake who thinks the world should revolve around them just to make it more convenient for them. If you donā€™t like the Immigration rules here then donā€™t come.
Tracy *********
Please, go to Malaysia
Dave ********
Enjoy Malaysia
Will *********
Quite simply you don't.
Richard **********
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@Will ********
unless it happens to you. What will you do then?
Will *********
Sounds like you're not sure?
Will *********
I've had literally dozens of visa applications over the years and never experienced any problems.

What visa are you applying for?
Steve ******
I have never yet been asked for my onward ticket from Thailand. It's an awesome place to roam where and as you wish.
John *****
@Steve *****
I was asked in September. Wasn't asked in October. Have been asked by the airline before departure multiple times when I've not been flying with a return
John ******************
You aren't required to visit. Being the free spirit that you arešŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ‘
Richard **********
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John ******************
@Richard *********
I thought you posted for comment!!! šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
Richard **********
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@John *****************
helpful or constructive feedback yes but full of shit blurb is not needed here.
John ******************
@Richard *********
I felt the same about your post.
Mark *********
A very weird post in many ways. The reasons for Thailand being difficult are system fragmentation, that different immigration offices act differently. Simple. Though not business friendly is legislatively ingrained. So why come here? Quite why other countries in the region are generally easier is open to question, but if you want business friendly then it isn't just a case of Malaysia, but Cambodia and Vietnam too, especially Cambodia.
Naja ***********
Except the people in Malaysia are really awful. Thais have their moments but Malaysians are infinitely worse. I don't like travelling to Malaysia for this reason, even if the visa process is stupidly easy. Also brings a lot of foreign trash which also really spoils the vibe. I've seen people stab others in the eyes with knives in hostels and rape drunk foreigners etc. No thanks.
EY ****
Go to malaysia then
Adrian *****************
Book cheap bus for an exit,nong Kai to Vientiane and a hotel with free cancellation to get around it
Damien ********
WTF do you want ?

Sympathy??

Oh Ricky , yes youā€™re so right .

Itā€™s unfair and to hard to visit

Thailand so best you go elsewhere and be the clueless whinging farang
Sue **********
I think you mixed up your post. Exactly its 2024! If it were 100 years in the past you wouldn't have to do anything. In modern times now, you are not allowed to take to much fluids accross the customs worldwide, you have to leave your fingerprints at immigrations worldwide, they want to know everything about you, accomodation, itinery etc. Some decades in the past all this wasn't necessary at all. So its just bad luck for you that you live in modern times šŸ˜‰
Ralph *******
What do you have to book ā€˜ridgidlyā€™ in advance. Iā€™m in Thailand for two months. No plans at all and nothing to force me to do anything. I didnā€™t have accommodation booked, domestic travel - nothing! I just turned up. No forms to fill in - just turn up.
Hank *********
@Ralph ******
you probably acted civilized instead of being an arse. An old saying " when in another man's house, act accordingly ". Being polite goes a long way.
Ralph *******
@Hank ********
It works everywhere, especially in Thailand.
Tim *********
You won't be missed in Thailand
Tim *********
Campaign for these changes in a country where you have democratic rights. Meanwhile respect the rights of your host country to set their own rules
Terary **********
I am sure Malaysia will love to have you... Good luck!
David *********
Than please enjoy Malaysia
Det *******
Nobody should need a visa.

Arrest and punish those that harm others, while leaving peaceful individuals alone.
Oliver ********
There is no need to fix your itinerary to apply for a visa to visit Thailand.
Julian *******
Malaysia is a racist , homophobic, misogynistic , rabidly antisemitic repugnant nation.
Richard **********
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@Julian ******
I think you have a warped sense of reality. And your definition of antisemitism is...?
Julian *******
@Richard *********
I worked in Malaysia for 6 months, I witnessed Jew hatred regularly, in public and the workplace, my definition of antisemitism is in line with the ihrc definition, but when you have the former Malaysian prime minister give a speech internationally saying the world would be better without any Jews , when a country try that claims to be multi faith but bans synagogues then itā€™s very very clear that its antisemitism.
Richard **********
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@Julian ******
ihrc. And their non recognition of the current genocide is cosher? I think uou may be confusing dislike of Jews with what billions around the world experience as a hatred of zionism completely different issues.
Julian *******
@Richard *********
but your profile is parroting the typical leftist narrative and that if the IRGC. Iā€™m unsurprised at your comments and ignorance
Richard **********
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@Julian ******
and your profile? Trying to hide anything?
Richard **********
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@Julian ******
so you are some kind of enlightened guru? You sound a bit far right to me. More than likely a Muslim hating zionist. Why did you go to Malaysia again?
Julian *******
@Richard *********
since I live in the Muslim majority south of Thailand your presumptions are wrong. If I was a far right racist I would not have married a south East Asian and had mixed race children.
Julian *******
@Richard *********
Iā€™m not confusing anything, you are confused , my comments had nothing to do with Israel yet you immediately and wrongly associated it with Israel, regardless anti Zionism is antisemitism,
Stephen *******
They ask for an itinerary. They don't ask for booking confirmations. Just relax.
Richard **********
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@Stephen ******
i am only reporting what happened in May. Do you think I was hallucinating?
Stephen *******
@Richard *********
No but maybe you didn't understand the difference between a proposed itinerary and confirmed bookings in an itinerary. They never want confirmed bookings except for a flight out at the end of your stay.
Frank ******
Hey o to other civilized plscrd
Kirsten *********
I just did visa free to Phuket.. Received 60 day stamp. They asked how long I was staying. I said 58 dats. They asked if I was going back to UK. I said no, visiting Oman. Was never asked for a ticket. Have never been asked for a ticket by Thai immigration at the airport in 20 years of coming here. Itā€™s usually an airline policy. who request to see onward travel. Earlier this year to go to New Zealand I did have to get an ETA in advance and for that I did have to have onward travel. I just eve to Malaysia and before I left I had to register including listing my accommodation and my return date. I donā€™t find Thailand difficult compared to many countries just to land in :). If you need a different kind of visa for whatever reason, just follow the rules, they arenā€™t hard. Try being Thai or other nationalities wanting to go the other way. Youā€™ll find out what hard is.
Richard **********
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@Kirsten ********
you think I am unaware of what anyone wanting to enter countries like UK face? I worked with immigrants, asylum seekers and many friends have struggled with the UK immigration system and the policy of creating a hostile environment. The main difference is the transparency whereas some may describe the Thai system as hostile with a smile. Two faced. Part of the culture to pretend confrontation is uncomfortable whilst behaving as if it is a requirement. I never pretended things are superior at home but I do say that because one does wrong does not make it okay to follow suit.
Kirsten *********
oh goody another chilled response šŸ¤£šŸ˜ƒ. I donā€™t think anything of you. I donā€™t have a clue ego you are. I made a generalized comment based on my experience. It did by seem like you like Thailand very much. Iā€™ve been coming here for over 25 years and at one point lived here for 6 years. Never met anything other than helpful people. Immigration here Iā€™ve found super friendly at the airport and in town. Never seen a lack of transparency on the visa requirements. So thatā€™s my experience. All the best
Richard **********
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@Kirsten ********
thainimmigrstion asked no questions. It was Turkish Airlines. Remember?
Kirsten *********
responding only to the content of this post. No mention of an airline. Chill out
Richard **********
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@Kirsten ********
you are talking to a champion of chill. Your suggestion to chill is unfounded and without any knowledge of me.
Kirsten *********
@Richard *********
well your post and replies arenā€™t evidence of it šŸ„° but ok then
Richard **********
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@Kirsten ********
it is okay to respond to nonsense and be chill at the same time. You would be better of advising some of the knobbers in this group to get a grip.
Kevin **********
Simple solution. Donā€™t come, please donā€™t comeā€¦.
Richard **********
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@Kevin *********
no. You do one. You are free to refrain from your pathetic talk.
Kevin **********
@Richard *********
great comeback, mate.
Darren **********
Enjoy Malaysia!! šŸ‡²šŸ‡¾
Richard **********
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@Darren *********
I enjoy all the places I choose to go. I also am free to report and reflect on what I see.
Darren **********
@Richard *********
many people would call that bitching and moaning. Like a little whiny girl, but you call it what you want.
Richard **********
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@Darren *********
I call you a knobber. My perogative to say what I see, little gimp.
Darren **********
@Richard *********
ok troll. Nice comeback after you were smacked. Fucking tool
Mike **********
I also am feeling - after 24 years of coming to Thailand and feeling welcomed- that the current Thai Immigration policies are making me feel ā€”

Less than welcome to travel as a free entity-

Seems really burdensome with all the pre- questions
Luit *****************
@Mike *********
The more people try to trick the system, the more measures have to be taken to prevent this.

As always, the good pay for the bad.
Mike **********
@Luit ****************
I agree with that

I guess , as someone who has always, adhered to the rules-- even when i wanted to stay longer--

It upsets me.
Peter *****************
It is what it is.Your freedom and money your right.Nobody begging you to come to this uncivilized country.
Richard **********
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@Peter ****************
except all my Thai friends and family. You know nothing about me, what makes you think you do? Bizarre.
Peter *****************
@Richard *********
dude I married a thai non 0 Visa.15 yrs staying here with PR.You think you know better than me a..hole.
Richard **********
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@Peter ****************
15 years I have been around, so yeh I probably know as much or more. You are a true A hole with a capital A
Peter *****************
@Richard *********
any PR or else don't talk cock to a Malaysian.You talk with your dig in your mouth.
Richard **********
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@Peter ****************
was that English?
George ************
I applied online with the Royal Thai Embassy in Australia for a 90 day tourist visa. I only uploaded my arrival flight and was issued a visa within 3 days no questions asked.
Richard **********
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@George ***********
60 day with 30 day extension?
George ************
@Richard *********
no. Multiple entry 90 day visa with 6 month validity
Tom ***********
Yes, especially with todayā€™s ā€œrealityā€ where airfares are nonrefundable, expensive to change, and hotel bookings are the same.
Duncanc **********
Malaysia requires proof of accommodation

In other words - a fixed itinerary

But Iā€™m sure youā€™ll be fine
James *********
Have a Blast!
Man *****
Many things are still in the past, many. Even more than 100 years. How is it for thai people if they want to go to your country?
Richard **********
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@Man ****
the rules are transparent and the instructions clear. As opposed to bring vague and loosely interpreted by different staff in different departments. What we tend to have is some kind of consistency. Also we employ competent translation services
Man *****
@Richard *********
, the rules are very clear and transparent. And there is no translation service necessary
Randy ******
Agree with the OP. Thailand needs us as much as we want to be there. They have $50 Billion worth of money invested in Real Estate with no takers. All we ask is to treat us nicely and cut the bureaucratic Red Tapes.
Luit *****************
@Randy *****
for people Thailand really needs, visa procedures are not difficult, only expensive.
Geoff *********
Looking at the comments above, I'd go to Malaysia. Obviously Thailand is not for you. A free spirit is someone who takes it as it comes and adapts, but it appears you are either unwilling too, or most likely cannot deal with uncertainty.
Bo ********
There are more people here on your side than against you. More of us want to help than poke you in the eye. But you gotta meet us halfway
Nick ************
@Bo *******
what are you talking about?
Richard **********
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@Bo *******
this group is just full of wastemen with waster attitudes. A waste of time.
Luit *****************
@Richard *********
You are absolutely free to waste your time here
Patrick **********
who care šŸ’©hole
Don *****
Insinuating Thailand is uncivilized.. yea best not you come.
Richard **********
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@Don ****
your words. Reflecting actual events and you imply they are uncivilised??? Get a grip on reality is my suggestion.
Don *****
@Richard *********
ā€œMalaysia seems a lot more civilized and businesses minded to meā€
Richard **********
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@Don ****
dies not label anyone as uncivilised. Your words. Not mine. It is okay to make comparisons based on what you see and experience, not a crime. Unless you are a snowflake.
Don *****
@Richard *********
canā€™t wait to see how you get along with the locals saying silly shit like that. We fight here for sport. Iā€™ll show you whoā€™s a snowflake anytime youā€™d like.
Richard **********
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@Don ****
you assume I know nothing about thai people and culture. Thai prople love me as a rule. What does that imply about you? Oh, do you hear that drip?
Hank *********
so don't go. There are many other places to visit. Nobody is forcing you to travel to Thailand. Their country, their rules.
Richard **********
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@Hank ********
my money, my choice. I am also free to tell it how it is. Does that upset you?
Hank *********
you are just a bitter man that is full of self-importance. Therapy can help with that.
Richard **********
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@Hank ********
therapy may help you. I am more in to self healing as I have no longer any need gor anything a therapist can offer. I digress, you know nothing about me so do one. Not interested in anything you have to say.
Hank *********
I bet you are the life of the party. Both of your friends probably agree.
Richard **********
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@Hank ********
how far can you fit that oversized head up yer arse?
Hank *********
you can have all the money you want. Still their country, their rules. If you don't like it, spend your precious money elsewhere. Just don't be a wanker.
Richard **********
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@Hank ********
like you, you mean? I am free to comment on what I see without a knobber like you jumping up and down because they think they are being clever.
Anton ********
Where are you from? Try to help some Thai person to visit your country and you will see the real hassle
Bo ********
Anton Å kĆ”pik ouch. Truth.
Richard **********
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@Bo *******
not really true at all though, eh?
Richard **********
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@Anton *******
at least in my country there will be one rule and everyone knows the rules whereas in Thsiland the rules are different depending on who you ask and in which department of an embassy or immigration office people work. Even staff sat in the same office can have different answers to simple questions. Plus we will go out of our way to address someone in their first language and not hide behind things being list in translation. Common sense really.
Olga ****
@Richard *********
with such attitude and entitlement badge, why not staying then in those "civilized" places instead of complaining that another country, with its own culture, ethnopsychology, its own norms & values doesn't bend to accommodate your expectations?
Richard **********
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@Olga ***
you have one half of the country trying to make improvements on a failing system and the other half and people like you pretending nothing was ever wrong. Not really a good situation. And to comment on reality us a crime?
Anton ********
@Richard *********
try it! Really, at least once!

My language is not in options.

If you choose Thai, you can apply still only in English.

Only 1% is translated in Thai.

Rules are very vague, and you get to loop of hyperlinks where you can't find any info...

Try it by yourself.
Richard **********
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Olga ****
@Anton *******
exactly...
Richard **********
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@Olga ***
see below
Ralph *******
The rules are there and they may invoke them but usually they donā€™t. It tends to get tricky when people are trying to live in Thailand but using visa exemptions instead of getting the correct visa. At that point immigration may ask for proof of exit ticket.

Now all you do is turn up at immigration with your passport and get a 60 day visa exemption. Whatā€™s so hard about that? That donā€™t even ask where you will be staying!
Richard **********
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@Ralph ******
wow. Visa exemption for retirement or when you need a tourist visa. Who knew?? And all the other visas can be bypassed by an exemption stamp on arrival? Well well.
Ralph *******
@Richard *********
As a tourist you get visa exemption. If you want to retire then thereā€™s other options.

Now, if you were to explain what your requirements are, perhaps people here could advise you accordingly.

But, this guessing game as to what you want isnā€™t any fun.

So, take your pathetic sarcasm elsewhere.
Richard **********
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@Ralph ******
zi will ho wherever I widh to roam. Your advice is worthless
Ralph *******
@Richard *********
You think you are so special. Immigration laws donā€™t apply to you. I will laugh when you get your comeuppance.

Of course, in real life you will be more like a mouse than a lion, and do everything youā€™re told.
Richard **********
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@Ralph ******
you are talking shite. Who said the law does not apply to me? You know nothing about me and my life so please be quiet until you have something valid to say.
Ralph *******
@Richard *********
And I certainly wonā€™t be quiet because you tell me to. Who the fuck do you think you are?
Ralph *******
@Richard *********
I know your arrogance - itā€™s throughout this thread.
Richard **********
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@Ralph ******
arrogance or a reality that makes snowflakes melt? Why am I asking you? You proved you know nothing.
Ralph *******
@Richard *********
Oh yes, arrogance aplenty! And I do know the visa rules. I do know the entry requirements for the type of travel I do. You just think youā€™re above all that.
Greta *****
Go to Malaysia then. No one will miss you or notice your absence in Thailand. Salamat!
Greta *****
@Richard *********
Ouch! That hurt so much!
Richard **********
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@Greta ****
go ahead and melt
Greta *****
@Richard *********
You are Top contributor of rubbish
Richard **********
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@Greta ****
i am free to fo as I wish. Your advice and opinion is not even registering.
Karl ******
Stay away then
Richard **********
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@Karl *****
i do not need any advice from you.
Karl ******
@Richard *********
don't post in social media then
John *******
Europe also require this, but it can always be changed. Me and my Thai spouse had a very detailed 5-country agenda. We hired a company to help with the European visa. They basically scrapped our detailed itinerary and submitted something that showed us going to two countries. Still got the visa and went on our more detailed vacay
George *********
In Cyprus I am usually offered a small glass of free spirit whenever I go to buy some take away food. šŸ¤Ŗ
Jan **********
Enjoy Malaysia
Charlie ********
It's probly not so much thai immigration that'll be bothered more than likely the airline your flying with, got asked for onward travel when I cam to Thailand 15 days ago ad had a single, pressure they made note I just said I'm booking today before I borded and was sufficient but booked a fake ticked incase thai immigration asked and I had the metv
Aaron *******
The reason Thailand does this, Thailand has a long and storied history of people coming and never leaving. Many times these people don't have sufficient finances for long term lodging and subsistence, so they end up working illegally, begging or scamming. So Thailand requires a ticket out of Thailand, proof of lodging, and proof of finances, and for some proof of insurance.
Richard **********
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@Aaron ******
this assumption that Thailand is unique in these experiences is bizarre. Not all countries are out to make maximum money out of people just wanting to be normal tourists and expats and behaving like they are some kind of special case because something bad happened once.
Aaron *******
@Richard *********
I didn't say Thailand was unique, quite certain it happens elsewhere. USA is way harder, if a tourist is coming from Thailand.
Bo ********
I am flying in on a one way Saturday. Same as I have 10 times before. I must be more of a free spiritā€¦.
Ralph *******
@Bo *******
Yes. Until the airline youā€™re booked with says ā€˜noā€™.
Bo ********
@Ralph ******
thereā€™s like 20 airlines to choose from. Guess I just get lucky everyā€¦singleā€¦.timeā€¦
Ralph *******
@Bo *******
I have been checked the last 3 times from 3 different airports. Maybe I should visit a casino?
Bo ********
@Ralph ******
or when you put your fingerprints on the machine something weird pops up?? šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø
Ralph *******
@Bo *******
That would be an awkward time to find out.
Richard **********
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@Bo *******
believe me, it came as a surprise when it happened. But happen it did, hence a claim for compensation will be filed. The check-in clerk was a know nothing jobsworth.
Ralph *******
@Richard *********
A claim for compensation for not having the necessary credentials to enter your destination country? Good luck with that!
Bo ********
@Richard *********
I am truly prepared for it to happen to me. I understand no one is immune to these things. All I can do is share my experience so far
Richard **********
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@Bo *******
same same but different
Richard **********
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@Bo *******
last time Turkish airlines check in staff refused to check me in without a return flight booked with them to the UK. My fault?
Rich *********
@Richard *********
Hi mate, yes I'm sure some airlines require a return ticket, but if they let you buy a one way online surly it's there fult? I came into bkk from London last week on a 1way on thai air no problem.
Richard **********
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@Rich ********
tell that to Turkish Airlines. I have. They do not care.
Rich *********
@Richard *********
OK I will make sure I don't travel with them
Craig *******
@Richard *********
I just flew in on Turkish on a one way ticket, with no POOT, no questions asked on check-in.
Todd *********
@Craig ******
Dick is struggling to grasp the reality here. Has not a clue what he is doing
Tim *********
@Richard *********
yes completely.... onwards tickets 15 dollar or a bus ticket is enough šŸ¤”
Richard **********
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@Tim ********
I did point this out to them but they point blank refused
Todd *********
@Richard *********
yes, your fault for not understanding the airline regulations. Some airlines in some locations may enforce a requirement for ā€˜onwardā€™ travel, not a return ticket. You misunderstood that also. All you need is a bus ticket or flight out of Thailand within the timeframe of your planned visit. Itā€™s not a Thailand problem, itā€™s an airline problem.
Lili ********
@Todd ********
with DTV u no longer need return or onward ticket?
Todd *********
@Lili *******
correct. With long term visas, they are not required. But be prepared to be asked by the airline regardless
Richard **********
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@Todd ********
so you were there at the checkin desk and saw what they said? I do not misunderstand what the rules are, the only misunderstanding of the situation is by you.
Todd *********
@Richard *********
it is most definitely not mate. There is not, and never has been any requirement anywhere for a return ticket. Onward travel yes, return ticket no. You misunderstood
Richard **********
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@Todd ********
like I say, you were not there and I did not misunderstand what the checkin staff told me. It was simple, direct and clear with no room for misunderstanding. Unlike you and your reading of my post.
Todd *********
@Richard *********
ok. One airline randomly made up a new rule of the day exclusively for you. Give your head a shake. Maybe just didnā€™t want your type on their aircraft? šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø
Richard **********
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@Todd ********
up yer bum knobber
Todd *********
@Richard *********
smarten up Dick
Richard **********
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@Todd ********
on yer todd. Todd. You think you are smart? 555
Todd *********
@Richard *********
clearly on a level significantly above your baseline functioning. This is not hard Dick. Millions arrive monthly. And YOU canā€™t sort it the fcuk out. I think we can all see the problem. As mentioned, give your fā€™in head a shake you absolute ponce. I gave you answers you need. Now STFU and go be the ā€˜free spiritā€™ you dream of becoming
Richard **********
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@Todd ********
time for you to STFU knobber. Or get in the sea.
Bo ********
@Richard *********
not at all. Sounds like you know all the ins and outs of how it all works. So this entire post was just a need for you to reach out to strangers and cry? Weā€™re here for you buddy
Richard **********
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so telling a story about how it is, is a crime now? Or a chance for you to laugh at something bad that happened? I hope someone is there for you on judgement day.
Ben ********
Yeah not once have I had to prove anything just turn up at airport and stamped in for 60 days, you make it hard for yourself by the sounds of it
Richard **********
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no one just rocks up and makes a retirement visa or tourist visa on arrival - have you lost leave of your senses?
Tim *********
@Richard *********
chill pill needed urgently
Ivan *********
I have noticed a certain trend on a lot FB forums - (99% of people are genuine /Nice /Real and helpful) But the tiny 1% should not put us off sharing /Asking for help .I have the advantage of filtering advice through my Thai wife .She told me a long time ago - Do not believe all that I read on Forums .... She is more knowledgeable than me about all things relating to Thailand ( A very good Example -Crossing the road in Bangkok can be Dangerous /In precise )..... I thought she was treating me like a child ( Until the Doctor was run down and killed by a Guy on a Ducati) I now assume most drivers in Bangkok are dangerous ... I am still able to cross safely .
Ben ********
@Richard *********
you didn't mention anything about a specific visa sir humpalot
Lau ****
@Richard *********
heā€™s not joking, thatā€™s exactly how it works. Iā€™ve travelled to Thailand many times, both with a return flight booked, and with open ended travel plans (no onward journey / accomm booked).
Richard **********
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@Lau ***
did you understand my post ir are you just pretending. You were not there so how can you tell me what happened?
Lau ****
@Richard *********
by the looks of your comments on this thread youā€™re only posting here to clap back at people and start a fight. Several people have told you you donā€™t need a return flight. Your experience with a particular airline was due to THEIR POLICIES, not Thailandā€™s immigration process. I wonā€™t be replying again.
Bo ********
@Richard *********
Iā€™ve done it for years. The day the agent tells me I need something, Iā€™ll open my phone, book it on the spot and move forward.
Ellen *************
@Bo *******
and thatā€™s the attitude of a free spirit šŸ‘šŸ¼
Richard **********
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@Ellen ************
a free spirit who needs to pay an agent 1000s for doing what is supposed to be a transparent non vague procedure? Sounds more like someone unable to look after themselves.
Bo ********
@Richard *********
never paid a dollar to an agent in my life. But if I had to in order to enjoy my travel the way I wish, why would it be an issue? I have to buy plane tickets? Pay for gas? Pay for food? Pay for an agentā€¦whatever. Take it easy. Jus go with the flow, hitting your ahead against the tree never helps
Todd *********
Enjoy Malaysia. Donā€™t expect much free spirit though
Richard **********
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@Todd ********
not even on a duty free islland like Langkawi?
Todd *********
@Richard *********
going to Langkawi and ferry to Lipe will likely solve your issues. And Langkawi is a very cool place also.

But Lipe is 100% worth visiting. From Lipe you can take speedboats back to Thailand mainland or north to other amazing Andaman Islands
Richard **********
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@Todd ********
wow, entering via Lipe without any visa, can it be true? Not everyone fits the visa exemption option all of the time. A retirement or tourist visa are the same visas wherever your port of arrival. Plus what about the other 15 or so visas? It's as easy as arriving at Lipe and saying Todd said it will be OK??
Todd *********
@Richard *********
Iā€™ve only done so about 15 times. But seeing that you are a bit simple and somewhat of an arsehole, maybe they will make up different rules just for you like you suffered in Turkey. And only you will understand them šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚.

Life is hard Dick. Itā€™s a lot harder when you are stupid. And compounded when you fail to grasp this
Todd *********
@Richard *********
Langkawi is good. And incidentally, you can easily enter Thailand from Langkawi by taking the ferry to Koh Lipe, the most beautiful island in Thailand. No onward travel or reservations required
Ellen *************
@Todd ********
you are always a font of information! šŸ†
Ricky ********
A lot of countries are visa exempt for 60 days . Havent been asked for any details of my visits yet
Richard **********
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@Ricky *******
visa exemption does not cover retirement or if you need a tourist visa.
Ricky ********
@Richard *********
yes but he hasnt mentioned how long he is travelling or if retiring etc.
Bart **************
Malaysia also requires proof of onward travel. There are a few in the region not doing it, but Malaysia does.
Bart **************
Only one country not doing it in any circumstance: Laos. All the others have at least one scenario where proof of onward travel is required.
Jason ******
A free spirit who likes to air frustration on FB šŸ¤”šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚
Richard **********
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@Jason *****
and you have an actual point to make or just being a knobber?
Larry ********
I just wrote a hotel on Ko Saan road, but it wasn't where I stayed in the end because it was torn down. you can still be a free spirit
Aaron *******
Thailand doesn't require you to book everything rigidly in advance. Just a ticket out of Thailand, within your visa time, in Thailand. Many countries require this. Maybe proof of lodging, if asked, the first hotel booking for a couple of days, has been sufficient.
Richard **********
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@Aaron ******
reading the guidance it clearly asks for all dates to be covered by a booking or invitation so where did you get your info from? Plus what good is a bus/ferry/train/flight out of Thailand if I do not take it, or amend it or cancel it. It is pointless.
Aaron *******
@Richard *********
During COVID, when they were very strict, I booked a very cheap, cancelable hotel, to cover the entire stay.
Aaron *******
@Richard *********
Just 12 years of coming and going to Thailand. Even the extensive COVID procedures, twice. As to the outbound flight, it's Thailand's and many other country's requirements, many say they never worry about it, and never been asked. In a couple of dozen of trips, I've been asked for outbound flights, a couple times, more so by the airline personnel. Bottom line, if you do not like the visa rules of a country, don't go to that country.
Richard **********
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@Aaron ******
if anyone actually consistently knew what the rules were then that would be a good starting place. Look at the millions who are unhappy about where they reside, doesn't stop them remaining though does it?
Aaron *******
@Richard *********
Well that's the thing about Thailand, many rules are arbitrarily and inconsistently applied. They will ignore a rule, like bar closing times, for months on end. And then one day, the police, the army, the navy and the mayor and staff; with the media in tow, are out in full force, shutting down bars and arresting people. The next night or so, things are back to normal.
Mark *********
What I mean is from original comment.

You don't get a chance to get an extension if you don't get through airport...

I live next to Jomtien immigration ....
Aaron *******
@Mark ********
Ok, got it.
Mark *********
@Aaron ******
what's the use of a 30 day extension if your ticket out of country must be inside 60 days ?
Ronald *********
@Mark ********
I always put in an 89 day stay in Thailand, on my SE 60 day visa application.

This avoids return ticket change, at extra cost.
Randy *********
@Mark ********
throwaway tickets are $15. Pass immigration and toss it in the bin. Onward ticket.com

Totally validā€¦ works every time.
Mark *********
@Randy ********
used one this trip....
Aaron *******
@Mark ********
Just like you have to apply and pay for an extension with Thai. You may need to extend or change travel arrangements. Which is why you book a changeable ticket, or a cheap ticket to Cambodia..
Mark *********
@Aaron ******
you have to get through airport immigration before applying for extending
Aaron *******
@Mark ********
True. Me I'm not spending thousands of dollars, traveling for 24 Hours. (From USA). To risk being denied entry or a hassle at immigration or denied boarding. If need be I just book a changeable or cancelable ticket, or a cheap ticket to Cambodia. And actually go to Cambodia for a few days.
Ralph *******
@Aaron ******
Yes. It can be a lot to gamble with yet cheap to buy out the risk.
Mark *********
@Aaron ******
.I used a disposable onward flight ...

They smiled and said last entry .

I wasn't the only one getting the warning on the day
Aaron *******
@Mark ********
I never do the fake ticket thing, if that's what your referring to. When needed I get the cheapest ticket to Cambodia and Vietnam. And actually go spend a few days, I don't get why people go, and never leave the airport, just turn around and come back. Go explore and enjoy.
Mark *********
@Aaron ******
wasn't what I was referring to...
Mark *********
@Aaron ******
I come through Thai immigration with a 3 month flight....I get a 60 day stamp and they want outward travel ...??

I say I will get an extension....they laugh ?.

Done it many times but now they are getting strict if too many entry's in one year.
Luit *****************
@Mark ********
Too many entries in one year without visa is asking for getting strict.
Mark *********
@Luit ****************
3..X 60 days plus extension......too much and up to their discretion
Jim *********
@Mark ********
maybe when new tax rules come in if you 180 + days in Thailand then you are taxable on your foreign income at home
Oliver **********
Good point! You should not come to Thailand. Have fun in Malaysia! Selamat Jalan. Don't be too much of a free spirit there or you might get jailed for life though
Richard **********
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@Oliver *********
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Guddu *************
@Oliver *********
Vietnam is. Better
Tim ******
@Guddu ************
Definitely not.
Richard **********
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@Oliver *********
enjoy your ting tong moments and remember not to complain when it all goes pete tong.
Oliver **********
@Richard *********
you'll get in just under the wire. They removed the death penalty for drug offenses last year in Malaysia
Richard **********
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@Oliver *********
at least they are transparent and not trying to hide their practices.
Mohit **********************
@Richard *********
They buzz off esatt šŸ˜‚
Graham ******
You do not commit to anything you put in a Visa application, you are free to roam as you please
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