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What legal advice and resources are available for expats planning to move to Thailand regarding visas, importing personal items, and business startups?
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Oct 5, 2024
2 years ago
Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTERI have sooooo many questions on not only visa advice, but also legal matters from importing some of my personal furniture to importing one or two of my cars also. Then comes all the legal matters of starting a business there and what types I can do. Then housing has many questions too regarding how the land lease is handled legally, or is condo better or potentially pay the big bucks to own the land outright as a foreigner. I have learned a lot of basics in this group, but have many more questions that I need cleared up before deciding to move there.
Where should I go to get my specifics answered? Thai embassy? Thai immigration or immigration lawyer? Is there somewhere I can get correct advice in my country (US)? I want to make sure i know everything i can before selling everything including my biz only to find out i can only twiddle my thumbs and drink beer once I move there. Haha.
Thanks for any advice. Have tried Thai gov websites for answers, but the fine print seems to be missing.
Where should I go to get my specifics answered? Thai embassy? Thai immigration or immigration lawyer? Is there somewhere I can get correct advice in my country (US)? I want to make sure i know everything i can before selling everything including my biz only to find out i can only twiddle my thumbs and drink beer once I move there. Haha.
Thanks for any advice. Have tried Thai gov websites for answers, but the fine print seems to be missing.
TLDR : Answer Summary
A user seeks advice on various legal and visa-related queries about moving to Thailand, including the importation of personal items, car ownership, business opportunities, and property leasing versus owning land as a foreigner. They express frustration with the lack of clear, authoritative information from government sources, and seek recommendations for legal experts or resources that can provide trustworthy answers. The discussion highlights critical points such as the complexities of foreign land ownership and the necessity of obtaining proper legal advice before relocation.
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Pertti *************
If you have non immigrant visa and other requirements fulfilled then you can ship your household items here tax free and vehicles need import permit etc and you pay crazy taxes. Resuming citizen can import one used vehicle too if you're married? Importer has 18months owning rule if remember right my own case but I forget that because you get better car here cheaper. Example RR Wraith is here cheaper when I compare and Steering is right side😅 If it's hard you or no time pay legit company handle all your paper work, visas, company setup etc....
Osian ********
Cars u'll pay 300% import tax, most items u ship will carry a heavy tax penalty, which is y most of us don't go there.
You sound like an overthinker, and while its good to plan, and even look that gift horse in the mouth. Sometimes u just gotta do it and know that once in Thailand everything will fall into place, Rome wasn't built in a day, and you will crack up if you try to do so. Once in Thailand rent until you're 100% sure you've found the right location. Businesses that's something you can really only research once you arrive. Baby steps!!
I did all this in 2003, it took 1hr to find a good internet cafe n download my emails, things were so much harder then, yet we survived, me and 1000s of others, some before me some after me. 1 excellent advantage is we speak English, but so many other nationalities get by also. I had a 1yr old in tow, she's now 23. Definitely don't overthink it, cos it may hinder your decision
You sound like an overthinker, and while its good to plan, and even look that gift horse in the mouth. Sometimes u just gotta do it and know that once in Thailand everything will fall into place, Rome wasn't built in a day, and you will crack up if you try to do so. Once in Thailand rent until you're 100% sure you've found the right location. Businesses that's something you can really only research once you arrive. Baby steps!!
I did all this in 2003, it took 1hr to find a good internet cafe n download my emails, things were so much harder then, yet we survived, me and 1000s of others, some before me some after me. 1 excellent advantage is we speak English, but so many other nationalities get by also. I had a 1yr old in tow, she's now 23. Definitely don't overthink it, cos it may hinder your decision
Bob ********
My advice initially is to find out whether In fact whether you will be able to get a work visa as a "mechanic", if you are followed internationally, perhaps contact one of the racing organisations and offer to teach Thai,s your skills if they assist you. Otherwise I doubt whether will get a work visa. Only other way would be to invest capital in a new business startup. You will need to go the BOI for their rules
Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Bob *******
thank you. Yes, that would be the plan. On my next trip I plan to make some trips to top local shops in bkk and Pattaya to introduce myself. I am also very versed in bikes and custom choppers, which seems to have it's own cool click there. I look at mechanical things as art, and design them in that way. Not sure if the artistic value portion would be enough to create my own hands on position though. Easy enough though, I can point fingers and pay paychecks just the same. The trick is finding the correct person to partner with. Every partnership i have tried has failed due to the other sides underperformance.Reply to
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Kevin **********
Why is land ownership so important if you can lease with 30 year automatically renewable leases and right of succession with a Usufruct that gives you the right to build or farm or anything and must convey if the tract the property sits on changes ownership?
Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kevin *********
I personally am still gaining information about which way is the best for me. That involves fully understanding the fine print of each also. Again, this is still a few years out and not happening next week as maybe my post comes across as. To my knowledge, there is no property tax in Thailand. This eliminates costly monthly maintenance fees associated with a nice condo at $500-600 a month that i have been looking at. Having some land will also allow me to continue quite a few of my hobbies with addition of shop or garage. Private pool also.
I have been a construction contractor for 30 years and have professionally done every trade, so maintenance of a home is simple for me.
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@Scott ********
there is no property tax on the property you personally live in, but there is commercial property taxes, and property taxes on properties you don't live in. Most condo developments also have yearly home owner fees.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kool ******
got it. Thank you.Kool *******
@Scott ********
something I might add to clear up some misconceptions. You can buy land as a corporation, but that corporation must make a profit within 3 ***
years, or it is disolved, at which point the land must be sold. Most aren't aware of this corporate requirement.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kool ******
this is exactly why whichever direction i go, I want 100% understanding in the legalities. Do you feel that some of the farang horror stories of real estate are self induced due to lack of understanding, or due to potential corrupt gov practices? Or is it simply a guy met the wrong girl and put house in her name and lost it? Hahaha.
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@Scott ********
most everything you mention it true. The current repercussions from local government corruption is the reclaiming of developments illegally built on national forest lands, that illegal title deeds were issued for. The crackdown on these started with the last government, with data imagery made available by NASA of the USA, and their decades of satellite imagery, showing all lands, including national forest land before it was built on, and after images of it built on, with all these images in the public domain now, if you know where to look. Thailand is using these to reclaim illegally built on national forest lands.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kool ******
would you agree the 40m baht investment route is overall safest? Since it includes the villa investment itself, i like the idea. I have been looking in the $400-600k range. It sounds like additional balance can go into interest bearing Thailand bonds? So that gets me into only utilities/phone payments, health insurance, and auto/motorbike insurance as monthly payments.
I am budgeting for $4-5k per month for the next 40 years after buying a villa. Would always have asset of villa incase money runs tight. But, there are dividend stocks to invest in that can give that return yearly without selling a share. Look at VALE. Miners are about to blow up. If you are into that sort of thing. 👍
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@Scott ********
with that level of investment you might also check with the BOI, board of investment in relation to getting an actual investment visa, the best visa to have. If the investments are approved by them, and you pass the extensive background investigation, it can be to your advantage to seriously consider it, and talk to them about it. They are in the chumchuri square building on the 18th floor in Bangkok, and very receptive.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kool ******
thank you very much. You have been a wealth of information. I atleast now know some of the questions I should be asking and who I should talk with. Are you involved in legal in Thailand?
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@Scott ********
passively.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kool ******
ok. Very understandable. So would you say that a lease is a safe way to go in known areas such as Pattaya?Kool *******
@Scott ********
as long as they are registered at the land department, and of course fully vetted by an attorney.Reply to
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@Kevin *********
because as the laws stand now it can not be considered an asset. Leases now are not transferable under the same lease agreements. This is in the process of being changed, making leases sellable under the same conditions, but hasn't been approved yet. Currently a completely new lease, and conditions is required, if the new lease is even approved by the actual owner of the land.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kool ******
in a lease, does the Thai gov receive part of the selling price, thus securing the land? Or is it as simple as you pay seller full price, and gov added to deed or whatever there? What happens upon selling? Can any foreigner buy from me, or have to be Thai? What could constitute the gov taking over full ownership and black listing you?Kool *******
@Scott ********
the lease has to be registered at the land office. After that the government has nothing to do with it. You are not added to any title, or deed. You also, as it stands now, can not sell the lease to anyone, whether they are Thai, or a foreigner. This detail is what is attempting to be changed in parliament, that would make the lease a tangible asset.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kool ******
ok. Ya, i definitely would need to understand that better. So meaning, if you get the 30 year lease, and live there for 15 years, when you go to sell the additional 15 years does not transfer to new buyer, they must start new 30yr? At what point do i not have control over the property in a lease? What cannot be done, or in what aspects can i lose?
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@Scott ********
you can not sell the lease at all. You are cancelled, and the new leasee must negotiate a completely new lease with the owner. That is why it is not an asset.Kool *******
I might add that any permanent fixtures you add to the land, like a house, or pool, etc. Become part of the property, owned by the land owner, meaning you can't destroy them, or take them with you when the lease ends.
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@Kool ******
Two different issues. A right of succession to an heir is permissible upon agreement and with consideration. But a land sale is not.Kool *******
@Kevin *********
the "upon agreement, and with consideration" is the catch, and what makes it worthless as an asset. And, it's not about selling the land. It's about the inability to sell the lease on the land.Kevin **********
@Kool ******
Consideration to the to lessor at the time the lease is executed for the right of succession. It's permissible and it's enforceable and it's done. If you grant the lessor 1 million baht for the right to will to an heir and it's accepted, that's binding.Reply to
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Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTERAfter more research, there is a specific program for foreigners eligible for a long term visa that CAN purchase up to 1rai (0.4acre) of land. Investment in "Thailand" of 40million baht, which can include the purchase price of the house/villa/land. This program is only available in BKK and Pattaya apparently though.
For my situation, this fits extremely well. So I guess the answer is yes, a foreigner can own land if they fit in those parameters.
For my situation, this fits extremely well. So I guess the answer is yes, a foreigner can own land if they fit in those parameters.
Gene *********
Sell it all and use the money to replace what you need.
Peter **********
Got to love this group , three comments in and it’s generated into a name calling spat
Brandon Thirkettle get a grip on your admins
Brandon Thirkettle get a grip on your admins
Nongnuch ********
AFAIK, vintage car import is possible for museum purpose. However you won't ever make them street legal
Kenneth *******
Spend time in Thailand learning the answers. Moving here, you should bring one or two pieces of luggage and money. Nothing more. For one reason any wood furniture will attract Termites.
Tony **********
As an American, you should look into what's called the Treaty of Amity it give you special rights when starting a business in Thailand.
Slow down and make several 60 day visits to several different areas and spend some time. I'm from Portland too and I love it here. The humidity is brutal but am slowly adapting.
You should spend time in the north (Chiang Mai), Bangkok, Phuket, Pattaya and the South. All are quite different..
If you have family, be sure they are as excited as you are...
You'll end up with about 10 cents on the dollar when selling all your life's memories and memorabilia you've collected over the years.
Don't buy (unless you'd be happy in a condo, but look at long term considerations very carefully). Rent is very cheap so no need to tie up capital that will be very difficult to recover in the future. Easy to buy here, a lot harder to sell. Thai real estate should NOT be considered an investment
You will find after being here a short while that "rules" are variable and so is regulation. What worked today may not work tomorrow. And if you're not accepting of tedium and repetition, then Thai bureaucracy may not be for you.
Good luck. Reach out with any specific questions.
Slow down and make several 60 day visits to several different areas and spend some time. I'm from Portland too and I love it here. The humidity is brutal but am slowly adapting.
You should spend time in the north (Chiang Mai), Bangkok, Phuket, Pattaya and the South. All are quite different..
If you have family, be sure they are as excited as you are...
You'll end up with about 10 cents on the dollar when selling all your life's memories and memorabilia you've collected over the years.
Don't buy (unless you'd be happy in a condo, but look at long term considerations very carefully). Rent is very cheap so no need to tie up capital that will be very difficult to recover in the future. Easy to buy here, a lot harder to sell. Thai real estate should NOT be considered an investment
You will find after being here a short while that "rules" are variable and so is regulation. What worked today may not work tomorrow. And if you're not accepting of tedium and repetition, then Thai bureaucracy may not be for you.
Good luck. Reach out with any specific questions.
Scott *********
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thank you. Ya, my post may have sounded urgent, but any of this is still 2-3 years out at best.Reply to
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Frank **********
You will not be able to bring your cars. First off the steering wheel is on the wrong side.
Galenus ******
To be honest, I don't think Thailand or any other country is suitable for you. Stay home. You're too anxious. But also most of your questions will be answered by Google.👍
Fiona **********
We are from Scotland. We have been extremely fortunate in the last 17yrs befriending a couple living in Thailand. An English guy and his Thai wife. They bought land and wanted us to buy the plot next to them. We did. The land is in her name but we have legally leased it from her for 30yrs. She got us a fantastic builder. Our house is beautiful. I think you do have to be extremely careful though. X
Sandra ******
Buddha himself did not outright denounce money and material possessions. He simply cautioned against letting such worldly things control, change, and possess us. When greed and hungry desire become us, we lose sight of how we could use these material riches to help the world and humanity at large. Rather than condemning materialism altogether, Buddhism recognises when it is essential but distinguishes between excess and mindfully consuming.
Perhaps, practice the art of letting go and give up desire by removing desire, like your desire to own land and things and come to Thailand and match your thoughts (shared in your words) with your behaviour and immerse yourself in a Buddha principled life versus this attempt to bring a western way of living and possessing. I anticipate rude comments from most people with a base of culture other than the authentic Thai people.
Perhaps, practice the art of letting go and give up desire by removing desire, like your desire to own land and things and come to Thailand and match your thoughts (shared in your words) with your behaviour and immerse yourself in a Buddha principled life versus this attempt to bring a western way of living and possessing. I anticipate rude comments from most people with a base of culture other than the authentic Thai people.
Scott *********
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you are welcome to live your life exactly as you see fit for yourself. You literally know zero about me. Some people must create. It is not always for wealth or fame. The products I sell are build with my own hands at a lower than competitive rate. I create a service for people. A needed service. I get paid to provide that service. This is the modern world. Happy tidings do not give shelter, a job does though.Sandra ******
Thank you 🙏🏼 for validating my intuitive knowing. Wish you all the best in your journey.
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Ahhh a Portlander, I am a former Oregonian myself
Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTERHow long have you been away?
Kevin **********
I graduated from Portland St. I grew up in Eugene as you probably have read my profile.
Scott *********
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Crime is getting pretty bad here. Many large stores shut down due to theft. The laws make theft under $1000 basically a parking ticket. Downtown Portland is very unsafe now, even during the day. Lots of fentanyl use.I am actually in the Sexton Mountain neighborhood in Beaverton. It has finally migrated larger than Portland and is starting to hit my neighborhood. I won't walk the dog at night now without some sort of personal protection.
Portland is a dumpster fire compared to what it was just even 15 years ago.
Kevin **********
@Scott ********
So you're interested in Thailand for crime avoidance and personal safety issues?Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kevin *********
it is one of the reasons.Kevin **********
@Scott ********
America and Thailand are virtually neck and neck in national crime stats and like America there are safer and less safer areas. Corruption is a bigger problem for Farangs that you wouldn't experience here.Scott *********
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I am looking in the Phratamnak area to south Jomtien in Pattaya. Most of my time in Thailand has been in this area. I have exhaustively looked at Thailand real state for 2 years all over Thailand, and then go to google street maps and walk the streets around that property. In my opinion, the Dongtan/Jomtien area is hands down the best place to be in Thailand. The amount of things you can just easily walk to or catch a baht bus are amazing. Lots of tourist police around. Lots of English speaking people also.Kevin **********
@Scott ********
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It's been a minute,Reply to
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Beaverton actually. Won't step foot in Portland for years now. Main reason for wanting to move.Kevin **********
@Scott ********
Sounds serious, what's the issue?Reply to
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Bruce *******
Sell it all👍🏻 Come on over. Rebuild local it’ll be fun they said 😎🤝🙏🙏🙏
Michael ********
There are a few groups about american cars in Thailand and also plenty for sale. Not the prices of america but thats the only real choice.
Look at todays bangkok post and how tax department are cracking down on illegal imports of booze, fags and vehicles. Seizures up 28 % this year
Look at todays bangkok post and how tax department are cracking down on illegal imports of booze, fags and vehicles. Seizures up 28 % this year
Scott *********
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i have been scouring the fb adds in Thailand for about a year now. Definitely some fun stuff there. Finally get my hands on a Skyline or something I can't get here. 👍Michael ********
@Scott ********
I found a body of 1940s F1 truck in two minds about it, promised myself wouldnt buy anything till i finish my barn/workshop. But they are some good ones out thereScott *********
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maybe you can clear this up for me. I had heard that potentially you cannot work on your own vehicle? Or potentially no engine swaps unless certified mechanic. Is this true?Michael ********
@Scott ********
No not true if its for personal use. Its one of those grey areas with the laws that can be interpreted many ways.Like we have land registered as farmland but not commercial and i can work on that as its personal for immediate family and nothing is being sold.
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ok, cool. I am a huge DIY guy and have 35+ years in construction and car building. Would really suck to be forced to have to pay to have things done.Reply to
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James *******
Im an expert here. Becareful my friend.
Mark ********
Trolling🎣
Sophie *********
One step at a time. Don't do anything until you've thoroughly researched it all. It's hard here as a farang, and many fail and become incredibly bitter and disillusioned.
Sophie *********
If you do jump in with both feet, find a reputable agent. But even they may likely be a massive, and costly, disappointment!
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Craig *********
Firstly take everything with a grain of salt: slow down come over with one toe and learn the system
Chang ******
Better talk to attorney
Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTERThanks to those that gave ideas. Looks like there is a Thai embassy in my town here in the US and will start there. 👍
Wylie *******
@Scott ********
If you're even able to talk to anyone at the embassy you'll likely get even worse or incorrect information from them regarding those topics than here on facebook.Mike *******
@Scott ********
Washington, DC ?Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Mike ******
no, I am just outside of Portland Oregon. There appears to be a Consulate in Portland.Baz *********
@Scott ********
That's interesting that you live near Portland Oregon..I am Australian but lived and worked for around 2 years in Portland many years ago..
My daughter married an American and now lives in Lake Oswego so I have been back there many times over the years ...
It's a small world sometimes 😁
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@Scott ********
You may even want to consider Cambodia as well..Predominantly Buddhist culture same as Thailand..
I honestly don't know but I am guessing thier vehicle import regulations are far more relaxed than Thailand because they import all their vehicles simply because they don't have a vehicle manufacturing industry and they drive on the same side of the road as the USA
If you have never been there before then I suggest an extended trip and travel around the country and have a good look
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thanks. Will look into it.Reply to
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Brian ********
The best advice I can give you is there is an American guy called Paul Lee he's on YouTube, he can answer 80% of your questions reach out to him he's very knowledgeable good luck
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Phil *******
Have you heard of a thing called Google?
Craig *********
@Phil ******
lolScott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Phil ******
sure have. Thai gov websites give little to no actual written Thai laws. Only simple immigration/visa questions. What makes it especially hard is the same shit that happens on here happens everywhere, and you cant get a firm answer on anything where you have conflicting answers. I am looking for the best place I can read or understand actual written Thai law.
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John *******
May I ask, have you been to Thailand before? Also, if you are looking to invest large sums of money into a business, importing stuff like cars and furniture, why not contact a law firm and get actual legal advice from someone who studies Thai law and not an expat page?
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@John ******
excellent advice, on here too many contradictions by too many unqualified people. One needs expert advice from a legally qualified & experienced Thai solicitor.It can be very easy to break Thai Law especially with domestic, work, employment & ownership issues. Not like here in the U.K. when foreigners from anywhere can come and do as they wish.
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i am primarily looking for the actual current written laws, enforcement and penalties of those laws. Then can decide for myself which is the best way to go about my goals with the least amount of liability legally or financially.John *******
@Scott ********
and the Thai embassy is not going to supply you that. That is what one hires a law firm to do.Reply to
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best answerScott *********
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yes, i have been there before, approx 6 weeks in total. Have friends there and spend hundreds of hours researching Thailand in many aspects.Jon ******
@Scott ********
"hundreds of hours" and your still asking about owning land 🙄Scott *********
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someone else very breifly touched on it in this post. There is a program of based on investment in Thai businesses i believe that can allow you to own on some level is what i took from what was said. I do not know the specifics, and I believe it is new. Maybe I misinterpreted? Maybe it was explained wrong? That is why I am looking for the correct legal info.
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@Scott ********
sry there is a new concept being talked about that would be a 90 year land lease renewed every 30 years.Scott *********
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here is another that states the 40m baht investment can include the price of the property! That is nearly perfect for me and wanting to pay cash. I would not mind investing any balance into some Thailand interest bearing account. Perfect. Apparently this program is only happening in Bangkok or Pattaya, which is also exactly where I was looking. So it does appear if you qualify for a long term visa, want to live in Pattaya or BKK, and have the means, you can use this program. I still have further questions, but save that for lawyer.
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@Scott ********
this is very limited as a scheme to bring in foreign funds. What I do understand is that the government changes rules and laws as often as doing laundry. With such a big investment and never really knowing how stable the rule of law is its mostly a gamble unfortunately. It becomes a personal choice of how much possible loss one is willing to accept.Scott *********
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here is what I was referring to as far as foreigner land ownership. This article is from Oct 28 2022. I just searched "40 million baht investment"Scott *********
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I was interested in the land lease and am very familiar with it, but had others say not to. Are you familiar with how it works? If I buy a villa, does the ownership of the land effectively go to the Thai gov? I assume they can repurpose the land at will, but would they be forced to buy me out at a decent market rate? What type of actions can get you blacklisted? I have no interest in drugs and stay away from people that do it, so no issue there. But could like simple traffic infractions do this?Plan was to pay cash, but in that scenario, I would put the least amount down to limit early on exposure i suppose. A villa is actually preferred over condo due to the monthly maintenance fees. I have heard there is no property tax in Thailand, is this true with a foreigner owning a villa? Mostly looking in Phratamnak to South Jomtien area.
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@Scott ********
being put on the black list is mainly overstayed on visa, and other crimes as well.Scott *********
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i found what I was looking for. If you qualify for a a ltr visa, then they have a program that in BKK and Pattaya, you can buy up to 1rai of land as a foreigner. You need a 40million baht investment in "Thailand", but the cost of the property can be included in that investment price. Investment must be for minimum of 3 years. So, $600k villa, $500k in Thailand bonds for 3 years. Works absolutely perfect for me in all aspects and make a little money in the deal. So, ends up there is ways for foreigners to own land there. There was actually a couple other ways too now.
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@Scott ********
hope it all works out for you, cheers.Jon ******
@Scott ********
even in business you would be a minority owner 49% which still wouldn't allow a foreign to own land. The most is a 30 year lease for land as you could buy the building or home but your visa could be revoked without notice and then be put on the black list and banned from entering for 5 years so buying is very questionable.Reply to
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if you noticed my only question was, where do people feel my best angle of attack is trying to get correct legal advice on the actual written Thai law. Thai immigration, Thai lawyer, get a Thai gov written law book and have US attorney interpret? That was the only question asked. As you can see, there is still conflicting or unknown answers to the questions I didn't ask. 😂😂Phil *******
@Scott ********
on YouTube, there is a lawyer, think his name is Benjamin Hart, integrity legal, he his a US attorney practicing in Bangkok, he could be worth a tryScott *********
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thanks. I will set an appointment with someone there on next trip.Scott *********
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someone mentioned Thai embassy. I looked and found out there is one about 30 minutes from me in the US. So will start there and hopefully get it cleared up.Thanks for the suggestion. I have run across Siam Legal in my research.
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@Scott ********
I think I read Brandon telling someone that we weren’t even allowed on Thai Embassy property, but that was re to a question about an affidavit of income, not sure if it applies to your situation. And Siam Legal was the first to come to mind, but that’s only because they do the most advertising, I have no personal knowledge of them. And the deck does seem to be stacked against us over here. Probably rightly so, or it would become like quickie marts and a lot of landscaping companies in the US. Good luck with it though.Scott *********
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thanks. Amazingly the Embassy website here has tons of info. Will take a few hours to read it all. Hopefully it will answer many questions. Then refer to lawyer for further clarification or "real world " practices. I have heard having your shirt off in public is actually illegal as is not wearing underwear. 😂😂😂 So ya, some laws just not enforced.Eric ******
@Scott ********
not in Nana and Soi 6! 😅Scott *********
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if as a man I can't legally freeball in Thailand, all bets are off!! I'd be looking at 20 year sentence already as a repeat offender! 😂Reply to
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Without meaning to be rude, what significant tied to Thailand do you have? Why would Thailand welcome you?
Christopher *******
Please beware. You can not even volunteer here without permission. Work permit is mandatory or you go to prison! We can only do certain things, you have to prove you are not replacing a Thai’s job, your skill has to specialized. Can teach, run a resort not many other opportunities unless like you said, creative. Yet, there is certain industries we cannot participate, like agriculture. Remember too you will make
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what you are accustomed. I am the same as you. Retired early. Bought and fixed up a resort, in the end I managed it with permission because I could help my Thai wife. When you factor in the hours and revenue. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ***
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the cost living & ***
income here. If you ever in Ao Nang PM me.Scott *********
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thanks for the info. Ya, I had heard about the volunteering and needing some type of permit also. I am just used to having constructive hobbies take up my time so have to find where that balance is. Ya, the revenue. Lol. As long as it would atleast be somewhat relative to afford food and shelter, that's fine. Right now, I am one of the only stainless steel railing manufacturers and installers on the West Coast and primarily work on hotels and high end residences. It is funny that ss railing is rare here, but more of a standard there. I may be able to swing a deal upon selling the biz to require that I be the supplier of standard sized posts purchased in bulk. Lots of ideas, but am I allowed to do it?
I am an A type personality that must stay productive and generating something of value. Maybe I just take up painting and give them away. Is that legal? 😄
While drinking beer all day does sound good on paper, I just can't do it everyday. Haha
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@Scott ********
I built a small house and two bunglalows. Nothing says you cannot build your own home. No permits needed. At least being GC. In time you adapt here, realize it not easy to cool the American jets. I stay busy enough. Too easy to 🍺 and get fat here. Fitness has been my thing to get me out of the house. I paddle board a lot too. When I am really bored I travel around SE Asia.Reply to
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my belief system ties very closely to Buddism to start. I enjoy the people there and their friendliness which allows me to be my true self, something which is becoming hard to do in the US.I am extremely creative and have been self-employed nearly 30 years, and still 51yrs young. I have many more business ideas in mind and can easily be adapted to Thailand creating skilled jobs.
My plan was to originally simply retire there, but I think I could only be idle for a month or so then have to create something. Even if it be simply a volunteer clean up crew a couple days a week.
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Sasi ************
Cars , it’d not be worth it. You’ll be tagged with excessive import taxes, even you are qualified as “diplomat “. Besides Thailand, if you are from The United States, the steering wheel is on the opposite side.
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Sasi ***********
the cars in question are one off hand built. Can't just replace unfortunately. Import taxes may be worth it for me.Sasi ************
@Scott ********
Since you are not a diplomat , the option is not available. See others comments regarding this.I totally understand the sentimental value but that’s the law and regulations, can’t bypassed it.
PM you, check it out.
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Declan **********
You aren't owning land as a foreigner. Regardless of what flavour candy floss people will try to sell you, it's not possible. You can circumvent the law sure, but the government will seize that property and land eventually
Pertti *************
@Declan *********
not true. He can go boi route👍Declan **********
@Per***
it's very true. Even going to BOI route you cannot own land without owning a business with a legitimate need for that land and if you own a business that has legitimate need for land you are still heavily restricted on what you can and can't do with said land and the land is not registered to you, it is registered under your business, you can also lose the rights to that land for breaking any one of the conditions or restrictions.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Declan *********
there are exceptions, and yes, a foreigner can own land if they meet certain criteria. Ltr, 40m baht investment in Thailand bonds, business, or land for a minimum of 3 years (land/home price counts towards the 40m requirement) in Pattaya and Bangkok under 1 rai of land. This is the program i referenced in my post. Look it up.
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@Declan *********
yes it's kings land here, where business has rights to the land trough title and foreign owner own that business. Route is for us who has something what is interest of bord of investment. it's only 3 years and apply citizenship if all requirements ok and then in kings land chanotte can be in your privat name. But you can start right away this route legit.. Sure I can go trough llc with my wife but land is shared with wife and shareholders.. boi is good vehicle to invest here and you can build your factory to own land etc🙏Reply to
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Declan *********
i have been hearing of an option lately that is like $1m usd, and then can own land. Probably heard it in this group? Now you see why I am not relying on asking online and seeking knowledgeable advice. Haha. So many contradictory answers.Kool *******
@Scott ********
under the old investment visa you could own 1 Rai of land, but only in designated areas, but that ended. They were working on reviving that, but haven't approved it yet. There are only a few exceptions to the ban on car imports, and car part imports, one being diplomat cars, the other being actual antiques, that will never be issued a title to drive, and then if you are a licensed professional race car corporation competing professionally, and fully licensed to do so. This was added because of the pro track in buriram. One of the ways people were a oiding the high import tax on cars was to disassemble them, import them as parts, then reassemble them, and license them that way, avoiding import taxes. That was put a stop to. No car/truck imports at all, except for what I mentioned. You can not own land. You can long term lease it, but not own it. Although your intentions are good, unless you are currently a licensed professional racing corporation forget bringing your cars, or parts, into Thailand. It is not possible. Another thing that was being done, and why all imports were banned, was that people would buy for import luxury cars then refuse to pay the customs duty. The cars would then be confiscated and go up for auction. The licensed buyers would then buy the cars at auction, and get a titled car they then sold to the original buyer, without the high customs duty. This scam was stopped, with a ban on all car/truck private imports. Another point, the government has no interest at all in working with you in any business. All they care about is that you are completely legal, and paying your taxes, nothing else. They work with the major brands, Toyota, Ford, BMW, MB, Massarati, Rolls, Bentley, etc. they have no interest in private individuals, except that you are fully licensed and legal. That is reality here.Lee ***********
@Scott ********
this is a forum with good advice, it's always everyone's responsibility to research and take legal advice for your own status.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Lee **********
yes, and my question was centered around the best avenue to seek the most reliable information.Lee ***********
@Scott ********
via the law, government is always absoluteReply to
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@Scott ********
you can establish corporation then own th land under companys name, never can own the property by foreign persons, in Thailand🇹🇭Declan **********
@Scott ********
you can throw $20m at someone for land, you still won't legally own it. Right now as the law stand you cannot own land as a foreigner. You can start a company and purchase through the company but the company needs to be legitimate and have actual need and proper use for the land, you are also very restricted on what you can do with that land through your company. The moment the government suspects foul play or someone reports foul play, it's gone. You don't get to sell it, you don't get payment for it, they seize it and you get a fuck ton of fines to pay on top of losing the assets.
Anyone who tells you, you can own land as a foreigner in thailand is talking uttershite. Even a lawyer (not looking to rip you off) completely shit faced up on Ya Ba will tell you it's not possible.
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Declan *********
i have no interest in any foul play. Want things 100% legit. That's the reason for the post. If anyone has any idea where I can find out the laws, written on gov paperwork and someone that can in depth explain them to make sure i am aware of any potential liabilities. If it ends up being too much risk to live there, then I won't.Andy ********
@Scott ********
Basically forget importing cars it's not allowed anymore. Forget importing personal items as they will be taxed ar a ridiculously high rate irrelevant of their true value. You can own a condo but not land. You can lease land under the guise of a company but it sounds like you haven't visited Thailand so why not just come for a few months and experience some of the challenges of staying as a tourist let alone starting a business.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Andy *******
i have been there twice, 3 weeks each time. While not there, I have spent hundreds of hours researching laws, the government, Thai real estate pricing, Buddism, the different regions and studied Google maps and walked towns extensively with street view. Was dating a gal for a few months from there, and have quite a few Thai friends, both foreign and Thai national. I assure you, my desire to move there is not off the cuff or uneducated. The question that was asked was, where is the best place I can go to get correct and reliable information on these topics. I am planning to come back for 3-4 weeks in Jan and will set up an appointment with Thai immigration and let them know my questions. I really just need to get my hands on a government written law book and if it is confusing, find someone reliable to interpret it for me.
Kool *******
@Scott ********
do you read Thai, as all rules and regulations are all in Thai. Siam-Legal.com can be of some help.Andy ********
@Scott ********
I'm surprised you have spent hundreds of hours researching Thai laws and still asking if you can import cars. Facebook will give you not hundreds but thousands of answers to your questions with so many having mates who have done everything. You must know by now then that in Thailand if you go to 2 different immigration officers you will get 2 different answers. Good luck, you never know unless you try. I would also factor in that if you did bring all your stuff here it's just as hard to take it home should you change your plans.Scott *********
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i am part of approx 5 Thai car groups and yes, have seen it answered many times. My cars i am referring to are not normal vehicles. USA has different registering for vehicles considered "special interest" and other designations that do not need to meet all current auto regulations. The question i have is do they have a race car, art car, collectible car or simply a non highway or road legal classification that my cars could fit under. I understand taxes, import fees, shipping. What no one can answer is can the car be brought legally in under another classification. I plan to move by Bira, so car can be trailered to track and not street driven. My nightmare is to be told wrong info, then have a $150k car and 12 year build time get confiscated and crushed. I'm sure you can understand how I am not relying on fb post answers to guarantee anything. If there is a risk of that happening, I simply will choose somewhere else, or sell the car and just build another one there. Then I get into full retooling to do such a project. Now we get into getting all of my tools there and what is the import fees if any on that. Is furniture and tools classified as the same thing when it comes to import taxation or legality? I have some antique war collections. Can this be brought in or will I be taxed on value? These are the more indepth questions I have. I am looking for the written Thai laws so that I have some recourse or a leg to stand on incase I fall victim to corruption or confiscation.
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@Scott ********
as far as antique collectables they are taxed at a rate that would preclude you from making any profit by selling them here as antiques, whether that was your intention, or not. Customs does know all the tricks. Again, all the rules and regulations concerning everything you have questions about are in Thai, not any other language. Use the attorney I listed. They are a member of the American/Thai Chamber of Commerce here, and very good. They can let you know what you can legally do.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Kool ******
thank you. I do have some things that would be worth it, just need to know the tax rates. I will be back in a couple months and will have a sit down with Siam Legal with a well prepared list of questions.
David ******
@Scott ********
I think you are answering your own question. When you're property is confiscated and you have no legal standing to recover it back. You might have to rely on somebody's legal interpretation for something that is not well defined. Not being a citizen, I'm not sure you will have the same legal footing. That's a lot of money in Thailand, I'm sure somebody would love to break your balls. Is it worth it. Think of your risk versus reward. I say keep your business state side or sell your business. A lot of trouble and risk.Scott *********
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yup. I am starting with the whole enchilada of wants first. Lol. If risk gets to high then that part will get eliminated. At the end of the day it may just end up being me getting a condo by the beach and bounce around on a little 100cc scooter like everyone else. 😆David ******
@Scott ********
🤣🤣. Right that should be the plan. 🤙🏾. Hang loose. I would also say this too. There are always 2 separate rules and prices in Thailand. One set for Thai National and another set for Farang. Best of luck, but I think you will ask yourself is it worth it. Or just keep your money and business in US and treat Thailand as your worry free retirement paradise. Your price and rules not the same as Thai.Lee ***********
@Scott ********
now that's the idea 👍 rest and think 🤔Reply to
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@Scott ********
40 millions THB invested in qualified investment with long term and others conditions. I am a Thai-American living in the States now with planning on moving back in 3-4 years. Feel free to any questions you may have.Stuart *********
@Scott ********
You can’t own land as a foreigner. There are quasi ways of making you the “owner” via a company or such but probably not reliable for the long term.Jack ****************
@Scott ********
for 1m I will also tell you anything you want to hear.Kristie *******
@Jack ***************
will I win the lottery then if you are telling me anything. ?? 🤣Jack ****************
@Kristie ******
transfer the money, then I will happily tell you this information.Reply to
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Stuart *********
You won’t be outrightly owning land, nor will you be importing cars.
Probably best to speak to a lawyer who is well versed in US options for doing stuff here.
Probably best to speak to a lawyer who is well versed in US options for doing stuff here.
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Stuart ********
not even a track car never driven on the street? "Art Car"? I am hoping there is some way.Phil *******
@Scott ********
I have a friend who lives in Thailand and races cars, he definitely imported a a mustang race car last yearScott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Phil ******
if it is possible, I will look for a place right next to Bira in Pattaya!! I have a friend here who does large track day events with track time, food, and music. Would be cool to do a once or twice yearly show and drive event there. Is there anything currently like that?
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@Phil ******
yes, possible for museum purpose. He won't ever get it street legalReply to
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@Scott ********
Not possibleAndy **********
@Scott ********
museum pieces only. Your cars are basically old bangers. Chop them up and import as scrap parts. You get a title on it.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Andy *********
the Camaro is now full frame though. So body could be brought in separate, then frame, then drivetrain. I suppose the other one could too.Scott *********
ORIGINAL POSTER@Andy *********
old bangers. 😂😂 My builds are followed around the world.David ***********
@Scott ********
not sure what that clown Andy Thompson is talking about, those are amazing. Then saying chop them up? What kind of insensitive, lame comment is that?Andy **********
@David **********
Blocking this clown. Read the reasons this law came into force. It's because if the chop shops.Reply to
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@Scott ********
I have no idea what one of those may be. Used car imports are banned unless you are a diplomat.
There may be ways to do so “under the radar” or via bribes but for your average guy it’s not possible.
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the 2 vehicles i am concerned about is a 67 camaro that is basically a shell unassembled, and a high end hand built car. It has not even been titled yet, so may loosely fit under new. I have been building cars for 35 years and own a fab business. After seeing some of the amazing work from some Thai fabricators with basic tools, it seems like a great place to set up shop and design an exportable assembled/kit type car creating jobs and putting Thailand on the map for a high performance vehicle. Gov would obviously need to be involved at some level. They will either love the idea, or hate it. Looking to set up near Bira outside of Pattaya.
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@Scott ********
you can port a lump of parts. Likely pay crazy import fees.
You would then assemble such parts BUT the vehicle would never be registerable or Insurable.
It would require a savvy importer and customs "assistance ".
If money is not an object.
Give it a try.
But as always you will be at the mercy of the officer handling it.
Too risky IMO.
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ORIGINAL POSTER@Chris ******
i understand. Maybe it is time to let it all go and start again. I scour fb car classified in Thailand and there certainly is some crazy builds there that would be fun too. I was at first worried there might not be a fan base for car mods there, but after minimal research, there is some crafty builders there! They are nuts too. 700hp diesels bolted to a piece of plywood on the water with zero safety equipment. Then watching tuktuk and rice harvester racing. 😂😂😂 I will get along just fine.Stuart *********
@Scott ********
Sorry but way out of my area of knowledge. I personally don’t see an import happening but there may be ways.Reply to
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@Stuart ********
i know several people who have imported cars to Thailand, so that seems a bit of bad advice to be honest. I know it is pricey, but it can definitely be done.Michael *******
@Trevor ************
must have been a while back, I looked in 2020 and it’s banned, obviously govt or diplomatic connections will find help find a way round it or a very large bag of greenbacks…….:-)Trevor *************
@Michael ******
it was a while back, one friend imported a Mercedes gull wing and the other a Lotus. It was about ten years ago or so.Reply to
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@Trevor ************
Good advice He's givenChang ******
@Trevor ************
importing car, 🚗 tax is so high in Thailand, you pay 3 time more to original prices .its not worth itAndy **********
@Trevor ************
Not any more. Recent changeStuart *********
@Trevor ************
You have possibly known them for a few years. Since 2019 it’s not possible to import a used car into Thailand unless you are some form of diplomat.Ray *********
@Stuart ********
yes it got recently changed a year or two and the same with motobikes :(Nongnuch ********
@Ray ********
"changed a year or two"? We are in 2024 by now, and the imports of cars and bikes got banned in 2019. That's FIVE years ago. Have you been living on the backside of the moon?Ray *********
@Nongnuch *******
oh my god, I'm out by a few years and I'm living on the dark side of the moon, regardless if it changed 2 years or 5 year, you can't import a 2nd hand vehicle today the present is where I live not the past or an alternate planet as you might. And before you tell me diplomats or the likes can, as I guess you're not one nor the Op is, that would most likely be useless info. Have a nice day!Stuart *********
@Ray ********
same with “American" Staffordshire bull terriers, but the OP didn’t mention those 😀Ray *********
@Stuart ********
I said it got changed, and I also mentioned you can't bring bikes in too, I wrote this slow so you could understand.Trevor *************
@Stuart ********
yep it was deffo before 2019. Its not something i would ever do so i never heard about the changes.Peter **********
@Trevor ************
Yet you decided to correct someone even though you didn’t know. Good lesson for you there I think.Trevor *************
@Peter *********
i based my reply on the knowledge i had. I know 2 people who imported cars into Thailand and i was unaware there had been a change in the law. Forgive me for trying to make a contribution to the board. From now on i will wait in the shadows for anyone making the smallest mistake and i will pounce on them like a sanctimonious cunt, as that is clearly how things operate around here 😏Peter **********
@Trevor ************
I would rather be a sanctimonious cunt than one of those guys that think they know everything and like to tell people but are generally just wrong. We all know those types of people right?Peter **********
@Trevor ************
It’s the fact that you said that they had been given bad advice and that it can definitely be done. Why not just say I’ve had friends that did it in the past so I’m not sure the information you have been given is correct.
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@Peter *********
why not read the next part of the thread where i said it was a while back and i hadn't been aware of the change in the law? Oh no, you couldn't miss the chance to be billy big bollocks and try and ridicule me. Something you would never do in person. I've met dozens of your type before, big yappers on the internet and quiet as mice on the street. So you get back to working out the happy hour rota on your favourite bar crawl and i'll remove you from my feed. If i want input from you i'll pay your barfine 😏Reply to
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@Trevor ************
no longer possible to import used cars unless they are diplomatic vehicles. Apparently.Trevor *************
@Marianne *******
must have been a change in the law then. It was certainly possible before as a friend imported a Mercedes gull wing a few years back, and it was obviously not a new car.Reply to
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