Answered3 years ago
What steps should I take for visa and passport issues when moving back to Thailand with a UK passport?
Hello everyone. I’m moving back to the Kingdom, my birth country from the US in September and I hold a UK passport. I’m going to be looking for land to buy and steward with organic, regenerative and permaculture practices. I also want to build a hempcrete house for my Thai Mum. I was going to enter with my UK passport and a tourist visa whilst waiting and working on getting my Thai passport back once actually back in Thailand. I did have a Thai passport but my parents didn’t bother to renew it when I was about 14 (If I need more time for this than a tourist visa allows, I plan to get a 1 year education visa as my Thai is not strong enough anyway and currently already have my Thai tutor I’m working with)
Seeings as I haven’t been able to get back for about 6.5 years whilst working and saving hard to live mortgage free, I’m hoping to get advice on the following please -
• Should I bother shipping all my power tools? (I have a rather large and expensive collection of high quality power tools which is everything I need to build a hempcrete house) I’m thinking of selling them all to avoid taxes and then buying again in Thailand, but would rather not as it took me several years to build my collection.
•What are the most useful and practical things you wished you would have brought with you from your home countries when moving? I’m finding the decision of what to sell and what to pack rather difficult 🤔 I want to condense my "personal stuff" to just a few boxes.
•Is there a shipping company anyone would recommend that will ship about 10 large-ish boxes? I contacted Seven Seas shipping but they won’t ship my items from the US without a valid 1 year visa which I can’t get until I leave the US and return to the UK? Should I just post all my boxes separately from the US and mail to a Thai friend in Bangkok through normal post, rather than shipping it altogether with a shipping/relocation company to get round this?
•what’s been your experience with shipping to Thailand? Is there anything you wish you would have known before or have learned and would kindly share? Anything I should avoid shipping altogether because of ridiculous tax? Is air better than ocean freight?
•I need to ship my dog over but the petexpress in the US quoted me $7000 to ship my 55lb dog. Is it worth paying this for the extra service?
•Is there anyone out there with like me who has got their Thai passport back or do you know anyone that can help? I was born in Thailand to a Thai mother AND father but then moved overseas at a young age to a British adoptive father. I contacted Siam Legal but they won’t help me, they said I have to go to the Embassy in Bangkok? I’m finding it hard to get advice and in my research comes up all about visas and not passports.
Ufffff I’m finding this entire process very stressful and would appreciate you sharing sound advice and experience?
Thank you, Ka.
Seeings as I haven’t been able to get back for about 6.5 years whilst working and saving hard to live mortgage free, I’m hoping to get advice on the following please -
• Should I bother shipping all my power tools? (I have a rather large and expensive collection of high quality power tools which is everything I need to build a hempcrete house) I’m thinking of selling them all to avoid taxes and then buying again in Thailand, but would rather not as it took me several years to build my collection.
•What are the most useful and practical things you wished you would have brought with you from your home countries when moving? I’m finding the decision of what to sell and what to pack rather difficult 🤔 I want to condense my "personal stuff" to just a few boxes.
•Is there a shipping company anyone would recommend that will ship about 10 large-ish boxes? I contacted Seven Seas shipping but they won’t ship my items from the US without a valid 1 year visa which I can’t get until I leave the US and return to the UK? Should I just post all my boxes separately from the US and mail to a Thai friend in Bangkok through normal post, rather than shipping it altogether with a shipping/relocation company to get round this?
•what’s been your experience with shipping to Thailand? Is there anything you wish you would have known before or have learned and would kindly share? Anything I should avoid shipping altogether because of ridiculous tax? Is air better than ocean freight?
•I need to ship my dog over but the petexpress in the US quoted me $7000 to ship my 55lb dog. Is it worth paying this for the extra service?
•Is there anyone out there with like me who has got their Thai passport back or do you know anyone that can help? I was born in Thailand to a Thai mother AND father but then moved overseas at a young age to a British adoptive father. I contacted Siam Legal but they won’t help me, they said I have to go to the Embassy in Bangkok? I’m finding it hard to get advice and in my research comes up all about visas and not passports.
Ufffff I’m finding this entire process very stressful and would appreciate you sharing sound advice and experience?
Thank you, Ka.
Answer summary
A user is moving back to Thailand, seeking advice on visa options, shipping personal belongings, acquiring a Thai passport, and bringing a pet. They plan to enter Thailand on a UK passport and are considering a tourist visa or an educational visa to improve their Thai language skills while obtaining their Thai passport. They also ask whether to ship expensive power tools that may not work with Thailand's electrical system, and seek recommendations for shipping services. The community provides insights on visas, shipping experiences, and shares advice on managing the stressful relocation process.
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Native ****************
If you can find a way to get your dog qualify as a Certified Therapy dog, then you both will be able to fly together. Just pick the first seat so to have extra space for your puppy to lay down in front of you and not be disturbed by passengers walking in the aisle. Shoke dee na khrap
Native ****************
Certifying a dog does not necessarily have to be for the person in question (=the OP), as a certified dog can help anyone in need. Also, as part of the dog's training, he must pass certain tests, which if I remember correctly involves travelling together on public transport, so if he passes the initial behaviour test which is fairly easy, he could possibly fly with you while in training. If that is not an option, 7K is to much... There are many companies that offer dog transportation services so shop wisely and make sure to ask what is included. Can also check with the Airlines as to what they offer for services and who might be their affiliate for such a service. Good luck to the OP and hope this helps. Safe travels!
Colin *********
@Native ***************
yeah ok, a young woman, who works with a range of Power Tools would qualify to have her dog become a Certified Therapy Dog? Is the young woman Blind? Or maybe Deaf? It would be hard to imagine this happening unless this young woman achieving what you said.
Emma *****************
@Colin ********
psychiatric support animal I did it for my dog you just need therapists letter and online rego. most airlines won’t let them in the cabin anymore but some do and more likely out of US.Colin *********
@Emma ****************
As a Public Transport worker where I live, I am familiar with a number of reasons why dogs are trained and used to assist people with health or disability issues. Pang has not indicated in any way that her dog is anything more than a beloved pet and I really think that the original comment that I replied to wasn't necessary.
Martin ***********
Sell your tools in US where you should get a fair price in return, not need to pay shipping and import tax, then buy again in Thailand.
Tom *******
We were able to ship stuff back to Thailand from Bahrain where we were both working, and without having to pay Thai import duty/taxes. My wife is Thai so I’m guessing you’d probably need to prove that in advance (ID card, Thai passport et al). Good luck!
MJ *********
@Pang **********
American tools and appliances are 110v Thailand uses 220v. UK uses 220v also.
Jean-Francois ***********
I brought my dog, tools, and shipped a few boxes over the year. PM if you have any questions
@Pang **********
Andrew ********
I'm married to a Thai woman.
I worked overseas and had a largish tool chest. Tool control in aviation took over and we were not allowed to use our own tools anymore so I shipped them home to Thailand.
All of the tools were 20+ years old.
I informed work there would be a heavy tax but they said ship them anyway and they'd pay all costs.
I did warn them.
Shipping was $3,000
And tax was $3,000++
For 6k I could have bought everything new.
Sell your tools and buy new, it's cheaper.
And yes you can but my top quality power tools here.
I worked overseas and had a largish tool chest. Tool control in aviation took over and we were not allowed to use our own tools anymore so I shipped them home to Thailand.
All of the tools were 20+ years old.
I informed work there would be a heavy tax but they said ship them anyway and they'd pay all costs.
I did warn them.
Shipping was $3,000
And tax was $3,000++
For 6k I could have bought everything new.
Sell your tools and buy new, it's cheaper.
And yes you can but my top quality power tools here.
JF *******
I am going through the process of getting a Thai passport for our daughter. Her mother is Thai. I am doing it through the London Thai Embassy.
Steve ********
@JF ******
but you could easy do it when here and again she could leave on a UK and arive on expired or Thai I'd. Check with Thai Embassy London here it's done in shopping mall or government passportsSteve ********
Normaly a couple of hours
Neal *******
220 volts for Thailand electric system. US power tools probably not compatible.
Johnny ******
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Ryan ******
Makita or DeWalt chop saw. Stanley Fatmax level or stabila
James *****
I've lived in Pai for 20 years. Let me know if you're coming to Pai. Don't bring anything that is not work on 220 Thai juice. Should be able to have two check-in bags and you can buy an extra one or two if you want. I would not ship anything and anything that is valuable that is being brought into Thailand to stay they could charge you 25% import. Tax. You might want to come in as a tourist and just get a visa on Entry and then they probably won't try to charge you tax on anything because you're just a tourist and you will be leaving in a month or so. You could call Star Visa in Chiang Mai they are very good may be able to give you Vice. Probably best to call Thai consulate or Embassy for information next. If you have expired Visa you should be able to get it renewed from consulate or Embassy in US
James *****
Should say passport not Visa. Like I say very possible to get new passport in US
Arran **********
I think an initial trip out there to sort out your passport and ID, and see what Thailand has to offer on shipping. Speak to different companies about shipping, have time to look for different land etc. Weigh up all your options and try to arrange from Thailand, its a big move so it going to be stressful, give yourself enough time for organising and you will get there in the end 🙂
Thomas *********
You can get an emergency passport from the Royal Thai Embassy in the US or wherever you are. Don't enter on a UK passport. The Embassy is so helpful. Just explain your relocating back home.
I did the same thing for my half Thai daughter. I contacted the Embassy in London emailed a photo and they produced my daughters birth certificate and passport in under 7 days. This meant when we entered Thailand my wife and daughter entered has Thai.
As a Thai national you can bring home up to 40 boxes any size tax free. This is part of the repatriation Government rules. You need your Thai passport for this. Bring all the goods back as domestic goods. This is a massive saving. We paid under 1,000 USD for the forty boxes delivered door to door.
I wish you good luck. It's all very easy when you follow the rules.
I did the same thing for my half Thai daughter. I contacted the Embassy in London emailed a photo and they produced my daughters birth certificate and passport in under 7 days. This meant when we entered Thailand my wife and daughter entered has Thai.
As a Thai national you can bring home up to 40 boxes any size tax free. This is part of the repatriation Government rules. You need your Thai passport for this. Bring all the goods back as domestic goods. This is a massive saving. We paid under 1,000 USD for the forty boxes delivered door to door.
I wish you good luck. It's all very easy when you follow the rules.
Freya *********
@Thomas ********
would you mind to share which moving company you used?
Justine *********
A good place to start is with a Thai Consulate. You should try to renew your Thai passport here in the US. If your name is still on a valid house registration (Tabian Bann), you should be able to renew your passport with the Thai Consulate. If your name is not on a house registration (i.e. the house is torn down or your name is taken out of the registration), you will not be able to renew your passport outside of Thailand. The consulate should be able to help you look this up in their database. In the situation where your name is not on a house registration, you can reestablish your citizenship in Thailand. You should be able to enter Thailand (use your expired Thai passport to enter), and arrange to put your name on a house registration. Once you have your house registration, apply for your Thai ID. Best wishes
Alistair **********
It depends on what documents you have.
As Michael said there's a thai ancestory visa/extension you can get. It's valid for 12 months and can be renewed indefinitely I believe. It costs 1900B. You'll need your birth certificate & one of your parents ID cards (maybe a copy of their house registration as well). If you have your expired passport that could also possibly work, but I'm not sure.
Once here you can go to your district office and inquiry as to what you need to do to get your passport and ID card.
As for tools and stuff, excess luggage is probably the best option if you want to bring stuff over. Possibly over multiple trips, that way you avoid tax.
As Michael said there's a thai ancestory visa/extension you can get. It's valid for 12 months and can be renewed indefinitely I believe. It costs 1900B. You'll need your birth certificate & one of your parents ID cards (maybe a copy of their house registration as well). If you have your expired passport that could also possibly work, but I'm not sure.
Once here you can go to your district office and inquiry as to what you need to do to get your passport and ID card.
As for tools and stuff, excess luggage is probably the best option if you want to bring stuff over. Possibly over multiple trips, that way you avoid tax.
Frank **********
@Alistair *********
Airfare for multiple trips from the US would probably negate any savings on shipping them at one time.Alistair **********
@Frank *********
I'm assuming she'd return to the US anyways, not just to get personal goods
Neal **********
Do you speak Thai, because that will help ALOT
Aaron ******
I can’t give direct advice since I don’t know but here is what I would do in your place. And hopefully this helps.
1. Contact the Thai embassy/consultant near you in the US. Doesn’t sound like you lost citizenship so should just be about getting a new passport.
1b. Likely will need to get other official stuff once in Thailand. I personally would plan to stay in BKK for a few months to a year to get everything settled. Also likely the best place to study Thai.
2. Find Thai expat groups in the US/UK/AUS. You are likely to find others who have been in your exact situation. And since you speak English natively these will be the best countries to find Thais who do as well.
Even if the embassy can help you completely with the passport thing I believe groups like this can help you over all.
2b. See if you can find groups for returning Thais.
2c. Maybe reach out to vloggers and such that have similar situations. Off the top of my head I think Flora and Note since Note is Thai but lived in Canada for a while. His situation is not the same as yours but he may be able to connect you with other returning Thais. If they don’t reply to an IG DM let me know and I can see if Paddy Doyle (who occasionally talk to there) can help connect you to them.
3. Check with Thailand on the rules for bringing your dog. But otherwise most seem to just take them on flights. I wouldn’t pay $7k for that. It should be a lot less.
4. Unless I had to I would not enter Thailand on a non-Thai passport. Again I am assuming you should be able to get a new one while still in the US.
5. If you are a U.S. green card holder or citizen remember they tax world wide income and you have to formally give either up. If you don’t plan to return to the US really consider do this asap once you leave.
6. Tools from the US will often have issues over voltage and shipping costs often make it really not worth it. Personally I’d buy tools in Thailand.
7. If you end up documenting this journey (imo you should) I would love to follow along. So please let me know your YT, IG, and etc where you will share it if you do.
Good luck on your return home and embracing your culture and heritage.
1. Contact the Thai embassy/consultant near you in the US. Doesn’t sound like you lost citizenship so should just be about getting a new passport.
1b. Likely will need to get other official stuff once in Thailand. I personally would plan to stay in BKK for a few months to a year to get everything settled. Also likely the best place to study Thai.
2. Find Thai expat groups in the US/UK/AUS. You are likely to find others who have been in your exact situation. And since you speak English natively these will be the best countries to find Thais who do as well.
Even if the embassy can help you completely with the passport thing I believe groups like this can help you over all.
2b. See if you can find groups for returning Thais.
2c. Maybe reach out to vloggers and such that have similar situations. Off the top of my head I think Flora and Note since Note is Thai but lived in Canada for a while. His situation is not the same as yours but he may be able to connect you with other returning Thais. If they don’t reply to an IG DM let me know and I can see if Paddy Doyle (who occasionally talk to there) can help connect you to them.
3. Check with Thailand on the rules for bringing your dog. But otherwise most seem to just take them on flights. I wouldn’t pay $7k for that. It should be a lot less.
4. Unless I had to I would not enter Thailand on a non-Thai passport. Again I am assuming you should be able to get a new one while still in the US.
5. If you are a U.S. green card holder or citizen remember they tax world wide income and you have to formally give either up. If you don’t plan to return to the US really consider do this asap once you leave.
6. Tools from the US will often have issues over voltage and shipping costs often make it really not worth it. Personally I’d buy tools in Thailand.
7. If you end up documenting this journey (imo you should) I would love to follow along. So please let me know your YT, IG, and etc where you will share it if you do.
Good luck on your return home and embracing your culture and heritage.
Alistair **********
@Aaron *****
if you give up citizenship of the US, I'm pretty sure that's permanent and you can never get it back.Aaron ******
@Alistair *********
yes it is. But for those who don’t need it there can be pretty large tax savings. And it makes banking in other countries easier. Also benefits like social security if already qualified for (10 year work history basically) you can still get as a non-citizen.
Green card holders need to get rid of since they will lose their ability to use it if they stay out too long but still be required to folllow the world wide tax rules. So no benefits and all the negatives.
Citizens have to weight the pros and cons.
She mentions she has a UK passport so she already has a great powerful passport and nationality. She likely doesn’t need US citizenship if she has it.
Aaron ******
@JP *********
yes there are ways to minimize taxes including to zero. FEIE and FTC being the two main ways to do so. But you can’t get rid of self employment tax in most cases so if ever self employed she would owe that. Also the higher the income the more likely someone will owe.
And she would still be required to deal with FBAR and issues with banks not opening accounts. Which is the main reason people get rid of US citizenship if they are not wealthy.
In general anyone with another passport, especially a strong one, that does not truly plan to live in the US is best served by getting rid of a green card or citizenship.
The US tax system is annoying if you are not dealing directly with US incomes, banks, investments, and etc.
JP **********
@Aaron *****
If she lives her a certain amount of time outside the U.S. I believe 330 days in a year you pay no taxes, also you can claim a deduction on any taxes paid to Thailand. So you do not have to give up US citizenship.*******************
› individuals › international-taxpayersAlistair **********
@Aaron *****
fair point, I missed the UK part. Quite possibly a wise decision then.
Marc ********
@Alistair *********
I am pretty sure as a adopted young child you cannot give up your citizenship.Marc ********
@Alistair *********
Yes but probably not a small child. As it would not be voluntarely.I am pretty sure you need to be an adult to have your citizenship revoked
Aaron ******
@Alistair *********
I believe you can even if you don’t. But becoming stateless would be very foolish.Aaron ******
@Marc *******
any US citizen can renounce citizenship. It doesn’t matter how they got it. Not sure how the process works for actual children though. They may have to wait till adulthood. Not sure.
Alistair **********
@Marc *******
if you have citizenship of another country you can renounce your US citizenship
Even *****
Your dog can probably fly with you as excess baggage. That should cost a few hundred dollars, plus the cost of an airline approved crate, plus getting him export ready/vaccinated/other paperwork will add a few hundred more. Entry into Thailand is a few forms and a few thousand baht in fees and customs duty, easy. It can be worth paying an agent to support you in navigating the export process but you shouldn't need to send your dog by cargo, which is very expensive. If you can manage on your own it would probably run about 1k max, including all the vet visits etc.
John **********
You should try and get a Thai passport from the Thai embassy in the US before you travel. If you can't and enter with the UK passport I believe there's a specific extension you can get for Thai nationals who enter in this way. You want #23 in this list
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Andy ********
@John *********
great advice.
Billy *******
You won't need any heavy winter coats!
Duncan *******
Sell the power tools - as you're coming from the US, they'll all be 110v and you will need a step-down converter to use them.
Sean ********
@Duncan ******
more importantly here it is 50 cycles. Many of the motors won’t work in voltage conversion alone so a voltage converter isn’t enough.
Man *****
I could sell you some nice land( nearly 4 rai). But otherwise I am no help for you :( . However I would sell everything and only bring a small suitcase. Your case seems complicated enough, so why bother about your belongings. I could understand that you would like to bring your dog. Can't imagine that it would be very expensive if he comes with you. I don't think you will find a supplier of hempcrete here, but if you can mix it yourself there has just opened a big hemp farm near us.
Billy *******
@Man ****
Where is that? Asking for a friend.Man *****
@Billy ******
where is what?Steve ********
My daughter entered on a. Expired passport. Left on a UK arived on a Thai expired. Your a Thai national. Yo can always return home
Steve ********
Same as my self I returned to UK via Gatwick with out a passport. Smiles if you know you know
Marcus ***********
@Steve *******
was hoping that this would be the case... my daughter's passport has expired.
Laurie ***********
@Steve *******
Definitely true. A Thai can enter on an expired passport, if you still have it Pang. If you have a Thai birth cert. you should be able to take it to the Amphoe it's registered at and get an ID card, after which, everything becomes easy...Steve ********
@Laurie **********
even in likes of ubon can go big c to get this id
Becky **********
Where in the US are you?
Thomas ************
Sell tools buy Milwaukee tools in Bangkok! Da best!
Duncan **********
I moved here with a couple of suitcases only and sold everything else or gave away and frankly I didn't even need most of the stuff in my suitcases. I wanted to build our house with hempcrete also but couldn't find a supplier here at the time a couple of years ago so used AAC blocks instead and we've just built a farm complex for composts and worms and eggs etc. I wish you well and it's great to see younger people moving out here.
Aaron *******
Since you were born in Thailand, you probably can get a Thai ID. Birth's are registered in a house book, I forget the Thai name, maybe the Blue Book. Apply for ID, in village or province you were born in. Hopefully your parents still live there. Once you get Thai ID, everything else should be easy. QUIK Google search shows the name of the "house book" is the "tabien baan" and presumably you or your parents have your Thai Birth Certificate.
Linhof *********
I am in the same boat with my tools but can't imagine it makes any sense to ship them over. Selling them at home is tough as well. I am researching if quality tools can be found affordably there
Andy ********
@Linhoff ********
with tools it's not just a matter of economics. A tradesman builds his or her tool collection over a number of years. It is what you know and what works best for you. I certainly brought about 80% of my tool collection over and I am glad I did.
Michael ********
Its ancestry visa not heritage visa.
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Michael ********
Battery tools bring other tools sell and buy new here.
Chris *********
None of your tools will work in Thailand due to power being different voltage.
John *********
@Chris ********
I'd look into that. In the UK, British builders use 110v tools with a stepUP converter and we have 240v. *************************************************************************************
Chris *********
@John ********
sounds good. I'd still doubt the efficacy of shipping tools and buying transformers with plentiful inexpensive tools hereChris *********
@John ********
it's all 110 thereJohn *********
@Andy *******
I had a business selling kitchen electricals, we used to receive from US 110v samples of 2000w blenders and the crap step up transformers I bought didn't work properly. My friend who works in construction got me one from his building supplier and worked perfectly.Andy ********
@John ********
you are exactly correct. The *****
Hz could have some impact but not enough to cause any real issues. You should check the nameplate on the transformers. The nameplate specifies the specification of the transformer and details Voltage V, Current A and Frequency Hz among other things. If the frequency is marked as:50 Hz - all will be good
60 Hz - there could be an issue so look at selling and rebuying in Thailand.
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Hz - this is most common. There will be no issue.John *********
@Chris ********
UK is 50hz. US is 60hz. Read the first part of my post "I'd look into that". This implies I am not an expert but further investigation might be useful, or not. Personally, I'd follow what they do on UK building sites, seeing that they are some of the safest in the world. Whether that is possible or not in Thailand, I'm not sure. I'd suggest she joins the Building in Thailand group to ask the experts.Chris *********
@John ********
Thailand is 50 Hz. What is UK?John *********
@Chris ********
That's my point. If UK builders can use 110v tools in the UK on 240v, then they can use them in Thailand on 240v. 110v tools are used for safety reasons, you power them via a stepUp transformer.Chris *********
@John ********
she's in USAJohn *********
@Chris ********
I know.
Matthew **********
We shipped with Royal Legacy Logistix, a Thai owned shipping company in South San Francisco. They were affordable and did all the customs prep work.
Best of luck!
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Best of luck!
Michael ********
There is a better visa which you can stay as long as you like. Heritage visa or something like that.
Go to Thai Citizenship group got all the links to enable you to get your passport and ID.
If you still have the old one maybe easier to renew in UK.
P.S i am looking at hempcrete as well there is one guy doing experiments in it at the moment, but none available commercially yet.
(Edited its ancestry visa and link below)
Go to Thai Citizenship group got all the links to enable you to get your passport and ID.
If you still have the old one maybe easier to renew in UK.
P.S i am looking at hempcrete as well there is one guy doing experiments in it at the moment, but none available commercially yet.
(Edited its ancestry visa and link below)
JF *******
@Michael *******
I agree. She should be able to get her Thai passport back fairly quickly.Michael ********
@JF ******
Yes seen several people on Thai citizen group with this issue and its fairly simpleActivity
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