What are the misconceptions about the new Digital Nomad Visa (DTV) in Thailand?

Jul 29, 2024
5 months ago
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
I will catch a lot of criticism but I don't care. Some of the questions I have seen about the new DTV border on the ridiculous. Such as I want to take a one week cooking class, will that qualify. I want to come to Thailand and ride my bicycle around Thailand, will that work. I want to attend a music concert, do I qualify. I don't have the necessary funds but can I still get it. Geez people be for real.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The post discusses the confusion surrounding the new Digital Nomad Visa (DTV) in Thailand, addressing unrealistic expectations from applicants about what qualifications will secure them a visa. Examples include queries about obtaining the DTV for short activities like cooking classes or music festivals. The author criticizes the lack of clarity in the visa's requirements, suggests that many applicants don't fully understand the long-term stay implications, and emphasizes the need for realistic expectations when applying. Comments from other community members expand on the perceived absurdity of some inquiries and the ambiguity of visa regulations.
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Mar *****
Hi Does anyone know if Tiddley Winks qualifies for Sporting events or if I throw really BiG Birthday Party and call it a festival get several stages and Djs performers etc...

I'd Probably lose plenty of monies putting it on mind due....

Thanks

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Mike *******
Bloody hell people! .....Chill out.....relax, have a drink, walk the beach ā›±ļø....no need for (Negative) comments... life's a beach. Jeez
Lee ***********
Well said Frank
Tommy ********
Itā€™s true. This is the concern, so many people wanting to latch onto this visa to live in Thailand. Itā€™s going to be mass tourism
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. Life in Thailand is about to become less ā€œexoticā€ and the novelty is going to reduce very quickly with the amount of foreigners coming in and ā€œlivingā€ in Thailand. Such a pity they donā€™t shore this visa up for a limited number of legit professionals.
Jo **********
ridiculous if people come to Thailand for a 5 day cooking as they are abusing Thailand and scamming Thailand and they should not be here. Coming to Thailand for a one week cooking course to get a 5 year visa has no credibility or integrity. To have a value system like this undermines the intent of the visa.
Jo **********
i agree Frank this is sickening
Bolton ****
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Chris ******
The Country dose attract a lot of clowns unfortunately.
Dave *********
Welcome to Thailand !!
Billy *******
You do realise it's rainy season right up till about Nov 1? That soi dogs will nip at your ankles? And tourists always come to Thailand and get banged up? There are safer ways to visit Thailand.
Iain *********
Oddly some Embassies say attending a music festival is a valid reason for giving the Visa.

I am from UK and now have the DTV based on a 4 week booking of lessons only at a Muay Thai gym. Not actually sure how short that booking could be and still justify the Visa.
Iain *********
I believe so. I didn't sign a declaration or see a notice saying I could not.

Tbh I worked online before when I entered on Waiver or METV but that was unofficial
Andi ***********
@Iain ********
you applied at the London Thai Embassy?
Iain *********
@Andi **********
I applied online through the Thai government evisa site.
Andi ***********
@Iain ********
ok, Can you still work online via the DTV you got ?
Ron ********
I have a feeling that some of them are just trolling. Some. Ron White said it best. "You can't fix stupid."
John ********
The last one who had a idea about riding a bike around Thailand is dead and he was a very experienced guy so good luck with that šŸ¤£
Michael ********
I asked many questions multiple time (maybe until I got the answer I wanted) but I would have to agree sometimes even I am dumbfounded at the level of some
Andrew *******
In the recent DTV Visa video by Chris from RW4U the Foreign Affairs guy said the soft powers were going to government promoted ones, and if by that he means the TAT then potentially they could mean the music festivals that happen each year that moves between Pattaya and Jontiem each weekend as that goes on for a month and also at that time there are many weekends events so if you say you will be going to all and spending money they may consider it, but yes I do agree that a couple of weeks long cooking course shouldn't really give you 180 days a year for 5 years, but they do specifically mention cooking classes and TiT so maybe it's possible, end of the day if you want to be here for 180 days or more a year you will need to have money, as there is no system in Thailand for any foreigner to claim help with bills or food, so if you can show money to spend and spend it do they really care why your here....
Iain *********
@Andrew ******
it's 180 days per entry. You can extend each entry for 180 days for a fee or leave for a brief period, eg overnight, and re-enter for another 180 days in the same year.
Sonny **********
Please contribute to the economy while we look for lots of loopholes and hurdles to make that process confusing, difficult and a constant moving target for you. If our visa officials are vague, inconsistent, subject to mood swings or grossly incompetent, be sure to see that as a language / cultural issue or as a personal shortcoming you should have sorted out before coming.
Kevin ********
How about classes on growing cannabis? Will that qualify?
Marty *******
Apparently you can get a DTV if you want to on one of those organised pub crawls.. I'm expecting my visa any day now šŸ¤ž
Zoe *******
I'm looking at the soft power visa instead of applying through my remote work. I have only been remote less than a year and think it's going to be difficult to gather all the documents e.g Tax slips etc. I study weekly with a muay thai gym here in Hat yai. I wonder it's as simple as them writing a letter to say I've paid fees upfront? If they are a registered business?
Iain *********
@Zoe ******
the first UK person to post on one of the Visa advice websites after getting the DTV wrote himself a letter outlining his freelance income and that waa accepted as the required document.
Marty *********
I have a question ( hopefully not annoying) - do you pay the 10,000ąøæ to apply for a DTV or only if approved? For the LTR you only pay if approved.

If there is no fee barrier then there is no barrier to trying any soft power request and we should pretty quickly see how Thai consulates handle this. Better to ask the consulate than Facebook.
Ivan ************
@Marty ********
you pay up front and don't get it back if not approved but it does seem consulates are going back to people to ask for further documents where they want them, not just rejecting the application.
Marty *********
@Ivan ***********
Paying up front will reduce the number of attempts to find out what will work. It's just going to take longer to interpret the soft power stuff and we will continue to get these questions.

I have an LTR. I was just curious about this visa but I am going to be scrolling a lot if I follow it at all now.
Andi ***********
@Marty ********
You pay with your application. If you are not approved then your lose the 10K. You are right it is best to ask the embassy you will apply from for answers.
Marty *********
@Andi **********
OK then we are stuck with these endless DTV questions šŸ™„
Andi ***********
@Marty ********
Guess so,
Jennifer ******
Actually I was told by my country's consulate that those countries that are on Visa exempt cannot apply šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø. That's a whole lot of countries!
Colin *******
@Jennifer *****
Singapore?
Andi ***********
@Jennifer *****
You were told wrong as visa exempt applicants have posted their success in getting a DTV.
Nate ***********
@Andi **********
Where can I access getting a DTV?
Iain *********
@Nate **********
try the thai eVisa website. That lets at least UK citizens apply.
Andi ***********
@Nate **********
Contact your local Thai embassy. They will have the info online.
Jennifer ******
Nate ***********
With the DTV Visa, Thailand wants to attract people who are working remotely in other countries and spending the money in Thailand. What you do with your spare time - I doubt if they care. I'll bet as long as you can prove you have the income from remote work, and you're not getting the income working for a Thai company - you're in. Let's wait and see how it plays out.
Andy **********
@Nate **********
The issue is there in no requirement to demonstrate any kind of income, only savings.
Nate ***********
@Andy *********
Yes, these are the details of the VISA requirements that we're all waiting for. What will it take to get this Visa?
Tim *******
U sure sound all pressured upā€¦.Try meditating, yoga or volunteering.
Jean-Maurice ********
@Tim ******
seriously... this group canā€™t be good for some of theses guys blood pressure levels. everybody just be cool lol
Andrew *********
I just saw a post about a guy getting the 5 year dtv with one medical appointment as evidence. He did say there was no way to tell if future appointments were needed šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø
Marty *********
@Andrew ********
Those types of posts are very helpful but it would be nice to know what kind of medical appointment. A dental exam or a hip replacement?
Baz *********
@Marty ********
You would think he must have a long standing history of a medical condition..

That 1 appointment was to get his doctor to provide such evidence perhaps šŸ¤”

Who would know but it seems to good to be true...

So it probably is
Sum *****
@Marty ********
STD checkup maybe also works
Colin *********
@Frank *********
were you seeking criticism? šŸ¤£

Having said that, I did see that post myself about the 'one week cooking class'... as though that would qualify šŸ¤·šŸ¼šŸ™„
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
You do not have to be an experienced traveler to know you won't get a five year visa for a one week course. Common sense tells me this. If anyone gets a DTV for something like that I will apologize.
Ivan ************
@Fr***
right, so this post has zero actual information about anything, it's purely your "common sense", which is already contradicted by reports from people who have got the visa.
Lee ***********
@Ivan ***********
but, isn't it logical by reading that other cheaper visas fit a shorter stay and are cheaper!

Or is it that people really do want to manipulate the wording and requirements.

Let's not forget the people that try to undermine a post or forum by asking irrelevant questions just to play devil's advocate.

Some are very silly, others totally incorrect.

I feel Frank is right, he is trying to help and having to wade through the rubbish means they miss a real valid question.

If people can't support the forum, but only criticise for what in reality is asking for help, then those people don't deserve it's support, this forums helpers are the one spending time helping you.
Bart **************
@Frank *********
and why would that be? Have you read the conditions for the DTV? The general ones and the ones at every embassy? And have you been reading all the posts here? Apparently not because some HAVE actually been getting a DTV with exactly what you just said.

How about you delete this beyond ridiculous post? It's insulting to those asking questions, and it's exactly the questions you refer to as being unimaginably dumb that are actually good. As others have said, it says more about you than about anyone else. Not every contribution may have been as smart but I'd be more concerned about the answers category then the questions, when some make things up like the guy doing the interview with the MFA showed from the replies to his earlier YouTube video.
Jo **********
@Bart *************
itā€™s not ridiculous if people like you believe in abusing Thailand and scamming Thailand you should not be here. Coming to Thailand for a one week cooking course to get a 5 year visa has no credibility or integrity. To have a value system like this undermines the intent of the visa.
Bart **************
@Jo *********
agree, but that's not the point. If in all their wisdom they've decided that this is it and these are the rules, then people can take advantage of it.

And if they haven't decided it but it looks like they might, it's entirely reasonable to ask what they meant.
Jo **********
@Bart *************
ok respect your point
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Bart *************
your entitled to your opinion. So you are telling me someone got a DTV for a one week cooking class.
Bart **************
@Frank *********
people even got it for a single doctor's appointment, going by other replies.

Even if not, wouldn't you agree it's worthwhile asking about how long such courses need to be, or whether very short ones are ok? The info we received so far didn't rule it out, but did refer to cooking classes.
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Bart *************
I agree I am referring about people who asked for like a one day or two day class. Yes I know it is a new type visa but you have to be realistic. If they want to apply then I wish them success.
Jennifer ******
@Frank *********
somehow someone got the DTV with only 1 doctor's appointment.
Rick ***********
Please tell me, oh Great One, how long does the cooking class need to be to get the DVT?
David **********
Thatā€™s social media at its finest. Have a thought? Throw it out there!

Why do your own research, why try to studying your situation, why look into anything then share it to have some value ā€¦ā€¦

When you can just blurt out anything on social media!
Lee ***********
@David *********
also modernism
John **********
The amount of abuse is pretty big , I see the Thai govt making changes in the not too distant future..rules are lax now, they more than likely will tighten them up
Peter ********
@John *********
More likely loosen up. They want the money for Thailand. Smart.
Andy **********
@Peter *******
But this visa is already attracting the unemployed with no obvious sources of income. I wonder if one way to tackle abuse of the system is to require proof that you are conforming to the conditions of the visa when re-entering Thailand; that you still have at least THB 500,000 in funds.
Lynnette *******
@Andy *********
I wondered how some of these "nomads" bring any value to the country. Perhaps the rental market will benefit most, because they all need accomodation.
Andy **********
@Lynnette ******
So becomes more expensive, reducing attraction of Thailand because it's cheap. So net will.have no impact.
Lynnette *******
@Andy *********
not sure what about all this digital nomad stuff is about. Thought it was another name for people without jobs. Lol. People "working from home" is more understandable to me, but I'm a bit out of touch. Then there are people booking a cooking class, faking the 500,000 cash in bank, to get the 5 years.
Andy **********
@Lynnette ******
People are gaming ir. Since covid, some people have become entitled and think working remotely means working anywhere. A colleague wanted to locate to Poland. Fine, but he's now on Polish wages. The novelty of working in Thailand or European hours soon wears off. Europe means all your meetings are dinner time. US: meetings are at an unholy hour. There will be a lot of jobless people going for this visa, with a fake business and then end up working in the Thai black economy. Or worse.
Lynnette *******
@Andy *********
I doubt most of them will be working at all. Too many people claim they are digital nomads or whatever.
Peter ********
@Andy *********
Of course. Itā€™s yet another visa. Who knows what the real story is. And frankly who cares.
Tammie ******************
I get it that some questions have been answered multiple times and some questions are a bit redundant and make no senseā€¦. to me or to you however if your new to this site then the questions make sense to the poster. I think this post will make a lot of people not want to ask anything and not all people know how to look and see if the question has been answered before. Have you ever heard of the term ā€œkeep scrollingā€?
Tammie ******************
Jeff Schott prime example of someone who should keep scrolling šŸ™„
Jeff ******
Well those ā€œsoft power activitiesā€ arenā€™t clear yet. As of now the DTV visa just seems geared towards digital nomads. Until then, weā€™re going to see LOTā€™s of questions on those soft power activities. šŸ‘
Craig *******
IQ' s arent going up, dont expect things to change for the better
Baz *********
It's typical of a new opportunity being offered and many want to test the boundaries and see if it's an easier option.

But I agree, there are some people out there that should do a little more research first themselves.

Before asking silly questions
Rob *********
Remember when it was just mercenaries and international arms dealers here. Visas were less complicated and less important actually. šŸ˜‚šŸ„ƒ
Graham *******
Are there any digital knob head training courses,
Colin *********
@Graham ******
have you done any research for yourself before asking here for a course you desire? šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£
Graham *******
I want to get ladyboy single lessons.
Rick ********
The purpose of ā€œThailand Visa Adviceā€ is to ask questions and give ā€œadviceā€. Everyone has different levels of experience dealing with immigration, especially if you donā€™t live out of your home country. If you get ā€œannoyedā€ or call people ā€œdumb as hellā€, thatā€™s a reflection on you, not the questioner.
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Rick *******
true but you seriously think they will give you a five year visa for a one week course.
Glenn *****
āøpossibly, at least in the beginning. Not like there aren't any fake ED visas out there.
Greg ********
@Frank *********
absolutely if the intent is to increase tourism.
Rick ********
@Frank *********
It doesnā€™t matter what I think. Whatā€™s important is how I treat others.
Colin *********
@Rick *******
totally agree with your last sentence. Just in the last hour, Damo Fernandez had posted in the post of another member that 'July only had 30 days and the next day was August 1st'. I just said in reply 'check your calendar'. He then went off in a rude tirade toward me and after 3 responses, blocked me, which I was about to do too him. The "reflection" is on him, as I didn't start off by being rude to him. Too many people, probably all male, very easily get annoyed and take it out on others.
Terary **********
@Rick *******
Poor fellow hasn't figure out how to turn-off facebook.. Maybe we can recommend a "Facebook advice and everything else"
Colin *********
@Terary *********
it's unfortunate that there's so many that are quick to come out with sarcasm or to be rude when others are innocently seeking advice. Perhaps some could do a little more research on their own before they ask in these groups, but many do and can't find the information that they need. Either way, there's no need for rudeness, rather, scroll on. Unfortunately, 'some' who have a tendency to have these negative attitudes, can also offer good advice/info, but end up being blocked, as I have had to do on at least a couple of occasions.
Russell *****
I want to understand what youā€™re saying but I canā€™t read. Can you call me and explain it to me over the phone
@Frank *********
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Peter ********
@Russell ****
Iā€™ll happily call you collect. Thatā€™s reverse the charges for the Brits.
Marty *********
I think the soft power reasons for the DTV remain very unclear. It is going to depend on how each Thai embassy interprets this justification for this visa. It is going to take time for people to test the system to see what is accepted. People are not going to get answers on Facebook or YouTube.

The questions that annoy me the most are the people asking if they have to do 90 day reports and if are they tax liable if they are here more than 180 days. There are just a lot of people that want to stay long term without really understanding what it means to stay long term.
Greg ********
@Marty ********
wait a minute. The tax situation is not yet implemented. It is likely they will not implement tax reporting and instead charge everyone a 200 dollar flat tax fee. Why? Because the implementation of a tax witch-hunt against everyone only creates useless annoyance jobs for tax admins.
Marty *********
@Greg *******
The proposal to tax worldwide income has not been implemented but the tax rule change to tax money remitted to Thailand is in effect.
Greg ********
@Marty ********
so this means if I bring in money from savings to buy a condo they will tax me on this money?
Michael *******
@Greg *******
not if it was earned pre 2024 as I understand it, how long that window is open remains to be seen.
Greg ********
@Michael ******
The problem is you have to prove it. So default will be to tax. Then you have to hire a tax accountant to complete paperwork and demonstrate. I wish they would just tax everyone a flat fee and avoid the hassle of a witch hunt for taxes.
Michael *******
dealt with tax issues continuously, I was quiet pleased to be able to retire in a country where tax residency was not an issue, that bubble soon burstā€¦..but I think with DTAā€™s in place it will be a wash, already got my tax Reg number and spent some time with local tax office - keeps the mind activeā€¦..
Michael *******
Having lived in 8 countries during my career and dealth
Glenn *****
@Greg *******
probably
Marty *********
@Greg *******
There is a lot that is not clear to me. Either talk to a tax professional or wait and see what happens when people start filing in January. I have a pensioner LTR so the money I bring into Thailand is not taxable. I donā€™t have skin in the game.
Greg ********
@Marty ********
I am a pensioner with no pension ā€¦ just savings.
Marty *********
@Greg *******
If you plan to bring money in to buy a condo I would talk to a tax guy.

I bought my car and built my house in 2022 so I missed all this tax excitement.
Peter ********
@Marty ********
Oh please. This whole thing reminds me of Margaret Thatcherā€™s comment to one of her sycophants when she got knifed in the back by one of her own and he tried to sympathize with her. ā€œOh please John. We are in politicsā€. Same same here. This is all about jobs for bureaucrats.
Marty *********
@Peter *******
If I was British I might understand this šŸ˜‚
Peter ********
@Marty ********
My father and mother were Australian. They always said the British are impossible to understand. Theyā€™d agree with you! 5555
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Marty ********
yes I agree the "Soft Power" aspect is unclear but I would think it doesn't pertain to very short term stays.
Ivan ************
@Fr***
you would "think" but how is what you "think" actually useful information? What's actually useful is reports of people who got one, and there are reports from people who got it showing only very short need to be here. There's no indication of any need to prove you need to be here for five years, every indication is the opposite.
Angelo ***********
@Marty ********
The 90 day reporting is a little bit "unclear" as e.g. the LTR visa does not require it. OTOH, as long as it is not stated otherwise, I assume you need to do 90 day reports. It is just logically.
Marty *********
@Angelo **********
That is my thinking too. If you are in Thailand for 90 days then you report. Nothing changed and there was no need to say anything in connection to the DTV announcement.

They designed the LTR to be different so they specifically announced the change to 1 year reporting.
Andy ********
Correct, these people walk amongst us.....
Peter ********
@Andy *******
They are us. And we are them.
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Jean-Maurice ********
old men have far too much time on their handsā€¦
Peter ********
@Jean-Maurice *******
Good point. Hereā€™s one loving your comment when I should be ignoring it. 5555
Max **********
@Jean-Maurice *******
And you being the expert would know!!!!
Max **********
@Jean-Maurice *******
All cool with me you seem to be the grumpy old man at the moment šŸ˜‚
Jean-Maurice ********
@Max *********
lol sir what? me being the expert onā€¦ ? old men having too much time? sir, iā€™m sorry, I have no idea what you even mean šŸ˜‚ alas im not an expert onā€¦ whatever it is youā€™re referring to.

whewā€¦ the boomers are cranky today. šŸ˜‰ chill, no need to squabble on facebook. sorry I offended you or whatever
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Jean-Maurice *******
what for telling the truth.
Jean-Maurice ********
@Frank *********
some advice: there are three dots next to this groups name, if you click it, youā€™ll see several options that might help you. iā€™d recommend snoozing notifications if youā€™re just sick of all the silly questions.

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Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Jean-Maurice *******
I'm sure there is an admin ir a moderate ir two that agree with me but of course they cannot say it.
Jean-Maurice ********
@Frank *********
for wasting time. is this your only friend group or something? i really hope when I reach whatever age you are, iā€™ll have better things to do than wake up and rant in a facebook group that iā€™m electing to be inā€¦ even if we share a similar opinion, why would I even bother? maybe whining is just a part of your personality? shrug
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Jean-Maurice *******
time is all I have as I am retired. Don't be a hater because you probably have to still work.
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Ken ***********
@Jean-Maurice *******
as evidenced here. Way too much free time.
Jean-Maurice ********
@Ken ******
whatā€™d I tell you? too much time. I asked a question about pricing for the visa, of which there were 100+ answers.

not at all the same as a grown ass, 80 year old looking dude waking up to whine about people in a facebook group of which he voluntarily joined, about messages he elects to receive.

bro, be sensible and stop being a nuisance. if you canā€™t see the difference, youā€™re as silly as he is
Robert ***********
@Jean-Maurice *******
Why didn't you just go back to immigration and ask? Could have saved the 100+ answers. You have been in this group less than 30 days and whining already? šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
Neil ******
@Jean-Maurice *******
you complained about a paltry $100 when the Thai government is letting you stay here doing absolutely nothing to contribute to society for 5 fucking years. The criticism is valid.
Chris *****
That being said, things are as clear as mud. People cannot be blamed when this is the root cause.
Jared **********
@Chris ****
i agree itā€™s clear as mud but you have to be dumber than hell to think that a weeks cooking class or any other ridiculous activity will satisfy the requirements, that doesnā€™t absolve people from basic logic and sense
John ********
@Jared *********
your comments are aimed at the afore mentioned fools so you are waisting your time . Save your breath , have a chill pill . There will always be fools to disturb the peace! šŸ™
Peter ********
@Jared *********
Wanna bet old son? See Ivanā€™s reply to you.
Ivan ************
@Ja***
someone posted who got one with a single once off medical appointment so I don't think what you're saying is actually right, people ARE getting them without having to prove they need to be here for 5 years.
Frank **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Ivan ***********
but the question is what is the medical appointment for? A long term medical problem with multiple follow-ups and treatments. I seriously doubt they got a 5 year visa for a migraine or because they stubbed their toe.
Ivan ************
@Fr***
he said it was a single appointment with no follow ups. Didn't say what it was for. The point is though that actual reports of what people are getting are useful. Your "common sense" speculation doesn't add anything, it has no bearing on what's actually happening. For sure we know they don't need proof you need 5 years to give you the 5 years, the question then is how little. But you don't know the answer to that.
Chris *****
@Ivan ***********
It can all be summed up with a simple abbreviation; TiT šŸ˜‚
Peter ********
@Ivan ***********
Exactly. But remember this is FB. Most advice here is BS except from thee and me.
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Peter ********
@Jared *********
The problem is that a one week cooking course might be ok. Who knows??? I mean how can one have a 5 year student visa anyway??? My God, a half decent student finishes their PhD and their first job in 5 years. Or qualifies as a doctor at Stanford or Oxford. But perhaps this visa is for dropouts. More likely for those doing multiple one week courses with lotsa $$$ to drop into the economy. Thatā€™s what any visa is about anyway. My bet is that most people coming to Thailand to do short cooking courses are perfect candidates. Probably travel first class on Thai Airways too. Come to think, I should tell my sister to get one of these visas. Sheā€™d stay at 6000b a night hotels for months on end and express amazement at how cheap they are!
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Ray *****
@Peter *******
, wait, doesnā€™t qualifying as a doctor at Oxford take 6 years? Doesnā€™t qualifying as a doctor at Stanford take 8 years (including the undergrad degree)?

Also, regarding PhD degrees, I think it should be noted that the average time of completion for the PhD degree is over 7 years.
Peter ********
@Ray ****
Well you get my drift. And anyone who takes 7 years for a PhD is either a lazy bum or doing it part time.
Ray *****
@Peter *******
, writer Ananya Sen took well over 7 years to complete her PhD whilst studying full-time. If you want to label her as a lazy bum, thatā€™s your decision! Iā€™m sure as heck not going to do so.

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Peter ********
@Ray ****
Guy in really seem to have time to waste. So she did this PhD while study full time. So the PhD was part time?
Ray *****
@Peter *******
, look, all Iā€™m saying is that we ought to have display some basic respect for the PhD process. The PhD degree - because it is a *research* degree - will always hold an inherent amount of randomness. One can never be sure if a particular PhD research project is going to succeed, for if you could always be sure of what the results of a particular research project are going to be before you do it, then the project wouldnā€™t count as ā€˜researchā€™.

So, yes, there will always be some full-time PhD students whose research projects will fail, thereby necessitating a longer graduation time. Such is the nature of the PhD degree.
Peter ********
@Ray ****
You sound quite an expert on this. So am I. I have a PhD. And it didnā€™t take the kind of times you seem to admire. And it wasnā€™t from some trashy college either. I donā€™t need random people on FB pumping nonsense at me. Letā€™s close this discussion. Itā€™s a total waste of time.
Jared **********
@Peter *******
who knows? Apparently everyone but you and chris.

We might not know the range of acceptable lengths for how long of a class you need to be signed up for, but it sure as hell isnā€™t going to be one week.
Colin *******
@Jared *********
but you don't know that, do you? You can jump to conclusions after making assumptions for sure, but that is all you are doing. Who would have thought, a year ago, that a 5 year visa could be obtained with no medical requirements? Who would have thought same visa with zero reporting requirements. And just over half the funds needed for a retire visa, and not even in a Thai bank. It goes on. So yes it is unprecedented to say the least. In fact it turns previous assumptions about Thai visas 180 degrees on its head.
Damo ***********
why would you get criticism for telling it 'how it is'? You are spot on with your post..
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