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Is the concern about visa issues in Thailand justified or just scaremongering?

Christopher *************
asked Sep 7, 2024
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The discussion explores concerns over the Digital Nomad Visa (DTV) and potential taxation issues for expats in Thailand. Many commenters express fears that the DTV may lead to increased taxation and worry about a looming economic challenge as many digital nomads may not have stable long-term financial prospects. Some believe that existing double taxation agreements may not offer sufficient protection, while others emphasize the positive aspects of living in Thailand. A recurring theme is the balancing act between attracting foreign residents and the implications for local economics, especially if many expats are perceived to be living on limited budgets.
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David *****
David *****
I think Thailand would be better off by simply adding a tax on goods and services to non Thai citizens. You show your id and if you’re Thai, you don’t pay it. Much simpler imo than the double tax idea.

It seems that many ex pats are living on $1000-2000/month which in their home countries isn’t much, so their are low. But in Thailand, that’s still 2-4x the average income and thus would put them in much higher tax brackets relatively speaking. Thus effectively forcing those ex pats to leave or significantly reduce their standards of living in Thailand causing them to reconsider other options like Vietnam.
David *****
David *****
Are there other countries taxing world wide income? What international principle currently exists?
Del ******
Del ******
Thailand has a DTA with many countries .. so if I come taxed in one country … it cannot me taxed in Thailand again !!!
Ling *****
Ling *****
Just don't stay in Thailand for more than 179 days and none of this bs will affect you.
Mohamed *******
Mohamed *******
Hey, what's the catch?

Free healthcare and we'll treat you like Thai people when you visit tourist attractions, and in a few years, you can apply for permanent residency? Or is it just another way to collect money from foreigners?
Marco ***********
Marco ***********
Most western countries do have a double tax treaty with Thailand anyways which the article is not even mentioning.
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Marco **********
the DTA,s are different for each country and alot are very poor , and don't cover much to make you tax exempt , read yiur countries one. However a dta only gives you a tax credit in Thailand for tax already paid --- people are wrongly thinking a DTA means they don't need to do anything ,,, check with an accountant firm what you are legally required to do
John **********
John **********
I will say this much, my thai wife and I were planning on moving to Thailand next February and have since changed our minds

This past weekend we met up with another couple who was going to move next year as well and they also changed minds

Between this and the DTV visa and all the abusers we are seeing this is going to end up with people that actually have money ,not going or leaving and the the younger gen's on DTV's with no money savings wise or pensions to keep money coming in , not spending like the retired

Most DTV holders are scraping by in their countries and making the move basically to survive and have fun .

Most online careers don't last 20-30 years and alot will be replaced by AI , then what ? Broke , stuck in Thailand with no money and no future income to support them in life... this is going to come crashing down on the Thai government in years to come .

It's basically just like years ago when there weren't many rules and lots of people moved there and became Thailand's medical headache and homeless as thet ran out of money , history repeating itself

This was purely about the hotel and rental owners complaining the market was down ...short term fix ... expats were and are the long time solutions for the most part
Michael ******
Michael ******
@John *********
well if you don't come back you're going to miss the wonderful Thai people cost of living here still pretty good and all countries that have a double taxation treaty with Thailand you don't need to worry so do your own homework but I love it here and never plan to leave.
John **********
John **********
@Michael *****
We'll watch to see what happens over the next yr or so. In that time our house price will increase and my wife just started her new career and is making an extremely good income for someone that's new to Canada so it's only fair I let my wife enjoy it and bank her money 💰 so when we do move things may be more settled and we'll be even more comfortable when we land
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Michael *****
the DTA,s don't give tax protection for most countries , including the UK which is rubbish only usa and Australia have good ones to be honest,
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Michael *****
I agree Michael
Michael ******
Michael ******
@Christopher ************
I'm far from an expert and I am from the USA so I guess that's why I'm not worried. I would at least stay 179 days a year here and the rest somewhere else if I was really concerned about taxation if you have a tie wife and you really love the place that's all. I understand everyone does what's best for themselves and it's a shame though because Thailand is really a nice place especially the people politics is politics everywhere in the world and it sucks but the friendliness of the people here is real!!!
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@John *********
I agree John
Micah ********
Micah ********
I've suspected the DTV would lead to a formal taxation for anyone coming in as a Digital Nomad
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Micah *******
yes they will have to pay their way too after 180 days ,
Kev ********
Kev ********
Won’t happen unless a resident
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Kev *******
yep after 180 days your a tax resident
Mike *********
Mike *********
@Christopher ************
so since that has been law for many years supposedly, where are the tax IDs that are to be associated with visas over 180 days ?
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Mike ********
the author is bangkok post news and this part is not law yet as you should know --- the jan 2024 tax for residents over180 is law but you will already k ow this ,
Mike *********
Mike *********
@Christopher ************
I was asking for you the author of this post if this is law now and you deflect to go to talk to an attorney or accountant. Then why don’t you let those same lawyers and accountants post since you provide no real information about this. Only speculation
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Mike ********
your choice -- good luck
Mike *********
Mike *********
@Christopher ************
if it’s law already then again where is the connection to our immigration requirements? I’m not paying for a tax attorney to find out it’s not law.
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Mike ********
yes of course , look on the tax revenue department site ,, ask any decent accountancy firm
Mike *********
Mike *********
@Christopher ************
introduced ? Are they official?
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Mike ********
new tax rules were introduced jan 2024 , the world wide tax bit is still under discussion, nothing links it to tax ID and visa as yet but systems are bring introduced is the understanding
Peter *********
Peter *********
Scaremongering again sir lol 😆
Paul ********
Paul ********
@Peter ********
here here, well said
Peter *********
Peter *********
@Paul *******
yes he must be working for thai tax office lol 😆
Paul ********
Paul ********
@Peter ********
These scaremongers are worse than those morons who constantly bang on how cheap Thailand is. They get all there latest ideas on how to make life more complicated from people like these. If it isn't here, it isn't law. If it is here then tell us, if not, keep it shut, i say!
Peter *********
Peter *********
Peter *********
Peter *********
@Christopher ************
you must have been a choir boy 👦 lol 😆
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Peter ********
you will face the consequences weed
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Peter ********
no it's not it's for warning what looks like is coming as the article says
Peter *********
Peter *********
@Christopher ************
get real this is Thailand 🇹🇭
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
OP
@Peter ********
like you weed
Peter *********
Peter *********
@Christopher ************
hope your company tax the idiots doing well lol 😆
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
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@Peter ********
keep burying your head in the sand -- go ahead ignore it
Peter *********
Peter *********
@Christopher ************
nah Mr 💯 scarmonger
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
OP
@Peter ********
I think its you that needs to get real pal

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