Why does my landlord charge for the TM30 when it should be free?

Anonymous participant 730 I hope this helps

A scam is a fraudulent scheme, often involving deception or trickery, typically to obtain money or personal information. A rip-off is a less formal term for being overcharged for something or having something taken advantage of, often implying a deceptive practice.

@Anna ********

Thank you. You have confirmed my original statement. It is a scam. The landlord is deceiving his tenant to obtain money. Thanks! 🙏🙏🙏

Anonymous participant 730 your lack of understanding is only surpassed by your inability to read

@Anna ********

I understand perfectly. Unfortunately you just don't know when you're being scammed. Thailand loves people like you.

Anonymous participant 730 yup it’s a scam if he’s not a taxi driver or doesn’t drive you anywhere

Anonymous participant 730 frankly if the renter is traveling often and making MANY ENTRIES into Thailand during the rental period, I don't think it's wrong for the landlord to charge a nominal fee for filing the TM30 each time.

@James *******

it’s a scam, a ripoff. its not your problem if you leave offen and spend days traveling, in hotels… its a legal obligation for the landlord. there is nothing to be paid.

@Dany *******

It doesn't matter. The landlord isn't going to make their life difficult to accommodate a foreigner. Also, it's absurd that one needs to refile just because they've left the country and come back. What kind of bureaucratic nonsense is that?

@Paul ******

you not only need a TM30 when you re-enter the country. you need a new TM30 every time you sleep in a different place. everytime you spend a night in a hotel they will do the TM30. and when you get back to your rental place you need a new TM30 again. so for people traveling a lot inside thailand you will need plenty of TM30 registrations. thats the rules 🤷‍♀️

@Dany *******

No one follows that. I certainly don't and I've never had any issues. As I've said, landlords, if they're being forced to fill out lots of TM30s will do one of the following, which to be honest probably isn't unjustified: 1) stop renting to foreigners 2) start charging for TM30s 3) charge foreigners more rent compared to Thais, partly to make up for the additional bureaucratic burden.

To be honest, I'm surprised that rental rates aren't already higher across the board for foreign nationals. Would actually make sense to charge a Thai say a month for a given house but a foreigner or something.

@Paul ******

well the hotels you are staying in will allways (95%+) do a TM30. and then that is your registered adress in the immigration system. When you then do a 90d report or visa extension then it will be a problem and needs to be changed in the system.

@Dany *******

No, not necessarily. Very many hotels will not. Also, the majority of the time I present my drivers license to check into a hotel. The only time I present my passport is if I need a TM30 in order to do a 90 day report, something like that.

@Paul ******

sadly, its what it is. The re-entry is what's creating the need for a new TM30. SUGGEST asking your local Thai Immigration office for their requirements for the TM 30 when you depart and reenter Thailand and staying at the same address registered with the Thai Immigration office.

@Dany *******

he's not talking about hotels. He has a long term lease on a property.

I agree with you, if it was a hotel property.

BUT a Long term lease is different and it should be fair to the property owner to pay a reasonable fee for filing added TM30 address registrations if you do multiple departures and reentries.

@James *******

Have you ever actually done an online Section 38 registration? It's the owner's legal responsibility. It takes less than 30 seconds. The owner is getting paid rent for the accommodation which should include all related costs. Should the tenant also pay for the owner to file his tax return? Come on man, it's another scam

True, there isn't.

Anonymous participant 322 Yes, you can do it yourself. Hardly putting your foot down and forcing the landlord to do it though is it

@Greg *******

does not matter what immigration does. It is the law. You can contest if you want at administrative court. The tenants, are NOT responsible by law. Point.

@Sebastien **************

We know what the law is. It is also a fact tenants have been fined over this - POINT. Take it to the Administrative Court then 55555555555 Should they approach your company to help them in this urgent legal matter?5 Should they approach your company to help them in this urgent legal matter?

@Greg *******

I went to administrative court twice against immigration and won twice. You might now know how you are talking to. And I don not gave about TM30 but you should know they changed Thai law because of me.

Do you remember when the TM30 started to make problems in 2019? You know who made pressure on immigration? It was me.

This is the article of BBC : 726

And everyone was telling me I was stupid, immigration would change nothing, whatever.

And what happened in 2020? The govenement eased the law. I was the one who made a petition. Not you.

48/tm30-reporting-rule-on-foreigners-eased

Certainly not because some “experts” on facebook or whatever told people it was the law and people should follow or you have to follow whatever immigration does. No. It is not how it works.

I read Thai. I work with Thai lawyers for 19 years full time. I do not think you know the law for having written what you did.

@Greg *******

depends… on which approach you take I guess.

Me personally I would be asking for my money back and if they refuse let them know I’ll be reporting them to the immigration office for their disingenuous behaviour.

And moving forward i want evidence/confirmation that they have submitted my TM30 going forward to mitigate any potential issues later down the line.

Anonymous participant 322 The immigration office will not give two hoots if you report the landlord for not updating the TM30. You are not in Kansas, Toto. The time to get it made concrete it to arrange with the agent and/or landlord when you rent the place this is a contract requirement

@Greg *******

I am precisely in Jomtien yes. Thanks 🙏

@Mo *****

They required it. Stopped it. Brought it back for a month then stopped again. It was a lot of work for them for nothing I reckon lol

@Brandon ***********

but the form you fill in when you enter the territory is precisely a declaration of residency? So you need to do it again after you go back from the airport?

@Mo *****

Yes

@Mo *****

TM30 and the TDAC ie TM6 are different

@Mo *****

I'm not sure what you're asking. TM30 is required by every property owner to be filed within 24 hours of a Thai arriving at their property. It has nothing to do with residency. Whether it's to spend 1 night or 100, it's the same requirement.