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Where can my Thai wife obtain property deeds for her houses, and how does this affect my visa application?
Thai visaNon-O visaproperty ownershipTM30Tabien BaanThai ID cardThai citizenshipimmigration processblue house book
May 19, 2025
a year ago
Robert *******
ORIGINAL POSTERI have a roundabout Thai visa question. My Thai wife of 45 years has owned a few houses in Thailand. One in NamPhong and 1 or 2 in Nakon Phanom. But I have never seen an ownership document like a Property Deed - โฉนดที่ดิน. So I was wondering where she could get that document. ( she isn’t very good with paperwork). So if I secure that document, I was thinking of applying for a 1 year non-immigrant visa to visit my wife ( family) in Thailand. We are both in Florida currently, but technically we would fly to Thailand together and then I would be visiting her. I have had 3-4 non-immigrant visas in the past but over 10 years ago. It seems that the TM 30 is more important now than in the past and maybe I could be put on the House Registration that would simplify the TM 30 process. Good idea or some other alternative???
TLDR : Answer Summary
The user seeks guidance on obtaining property ownership documents for houses owned by his Thai wife, which may assist in his application for a Non-O visa. There is confusion regarding the necessity of a property deed (Chanote) versus the Blue House Book (Tabien Baan) for immigration purposes and the TM30 registration. Users in the comments clarify that the Blue House Book is essential for ownership details and can enable the acquisition of a Yellow House Book and Pink ID card, although it does not directly influence TM30 requirements.
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1.) A Thai Citizen needs to currently be in a Blue Thai Household Book ( ทะเบียนบ้าน ท.ร. 14 / Tabien Baan) in order to obtain a Thai ID Card or renew a Thai ID Card
2.) Except in the rare instance of their very first Thai Passport issued by a Thai Embassy/Thai Consulate (e.g. born outside of Thailand), all Thai Citizens need a current (unexpired) Thai ID Card in order to obtain or renew a Thai Passport
3.) A Thai Citizen can only be listed in one (1) Blue Tabien Baan (ท.ร. 14) at any one time/instance. A Thai Citizen may own multiple properties (be listed on multiple land title deeds, โฉนด / "Chanote" ), but can only be listed on one Blue Tabien Baan at a time
4.) For you to be listed in a Yellow Tabien Baan ( ท.ร. 13 ), then that can only be done at the District Office ( ที่ว่าการ อำเภอ in the Provinces / สำนักงาน เขต in Bangkok Metropolis), and also be issued the Pink Foreigner ID Card subsequently after being listed in a Yellow Tabien Baan ( ท.ร. 13 )
5.) However, a Yellow Tabien Baan ( ท.ร. 13 ) has Nothing to do with Thai Immigration matters as it pertains to a potential Change of Thai Visa Type in-country, getting an Extension of Stay, submitting a 90-Days Report, or even for a Hotel, landlord, or property owner to file a TM.30 at your local Thai Immigration Office
6.) So, what exactly do you want to do?? Do you want to stay continuously in Thailand for a longer period of time (more than 90 days, 1 year continuously, etc.)?
2.) Except in the rare instance of their very first Thai Passport issued by a Thai Embassy/Thai Consulate (e.g. born outside of Thailand), all Thai Citizens need a current (unexpired) Thai ID Card in order to obtain or renew a Thai Passport
3.) A Thai Citizen can only be listed in one (1) Blue Tabien Baan (ท.ร. 14) at any one time/instance. A Thai Citizen may own multiple properties (be listed on multiple land title deeds, โฉนด / "Chanote" ), but can only be listed on one Blue Tabien Baan at a time
4.) For you to be listed in a Yellow Tabien Baan ( ท.ร. 13 ), then that can only be done at the District Office ( ที่ว่าการ อำเภอ in the Provinces / สำนักงาน เขต in Bangkok Metropolis), and also be issued the Pink Foreigner ID Card subsequently after being listed in a Yellow Tabien Baan ( ท.ร. 13 )
5.) However, a Yellow Tabien Baan ( ท.ร. 13 ) has Nothing to do with Thai Immigration matters as it pertains to a potential Change of Thai Visa Type in-country, getting an Extension of Stay, submitting a 90-Days Report, or even for a Hotel, landlord, or property owner to file a TM.30 at your local Thai Immigration Office
6.) So, what exactly do you want to do?? Do you want to stay continuously in Thailand for a longer period of time (more than 90 days, 1 year continuously, etc.)?
Matthew *********
The district office would have registration of a blue book if she truly owns any houses.
Jeremy ********
If she or her family have a tambien ban (blue house book) for the properties all she has to do is be on one or more…with that you can use your Non-O visa to be registered at your local Amphur office to get a yellow house book and the Thai Pink ID card which makes life a little bit easier
Andrew ********
She should have a blue book that contains all that info and ownership
Nongnuch ********
@Andrew *******
only @Dca ****
has posted correct info, so farNongnuch ********
@Andrew *******
I kindly asked you yesterday that you should please discontinue handing out advice, because most of your info is wrong. . . . .here we are again: A blue housbook is no proof of ownership. Only a Chanote or Nor Kor title deed is proof of ownership of the land the house is sitting onAndrew ********
@Nongnuch *******
and I told you kindly that she showed me her ownership which Is contained in her blue book its where she keeps it. I asked her what it was told me exactly what the biue book is and said "thais keep record of residence here and proof of ownership in it " I dont care what you kindly tell me I dont know who you are and all your comments in here are nothing but trolling just as useful as an Arschgeige. Everything i have said is first hand information from either thai local or immigration offical. Just because you don't understand or dont agree dont make it wrong. That's not my issueNongnuch ********
@Andrew *******
a blue housebook is no proof of ownership, you have been told wrongly. I don't care who said this to you. It is big BS. A blue housebook does NOT prove any ownership. You are posting FALSE infoReply to
Nongnuch ********
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Nongnuch ********
@Andrew *******
a blue housebook is no proof of ownership, it just states that a person is living in this house.Andrew ********
@Nongnuch *******
yep registration of residence however has her proof of ownership in it I've seen alot of your posts in here all you do is troll people, you must really be bored with your lifeReply to
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Michael ********
All houses should have the blue book, the Chanote title deed is not needed for immigration
Sylvia ********
@Michael *******
correct and I understand one's name needs to be in a book somewhere to have an ID card?Michael ********
@Sylvia *******
Yes correctReply to
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Roland **********
The address details are in her Blue House Book, which all Thai citizens should have!
Ralph *******
@Roland *********
I doubt that all Thai citizens have a blue house book. I suspect that my good lady hasn’t.Peter *******
@Ralph ******
you are getting a little confused. A property has a Blue Book which lists who is registered at that property. All Thai citizens must be registered in a Blue Book somewhere.Ralph *******
@Peter ******
Ok, thanks. I will ask and get back to you.Reply to
Ralph *******
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Roland **********
@Ralph ******
Maybe not!But as I understand and was told by my Thai wife! all Thai citizens should be registered in some Blue House Book somewhere in Thailand. But you can never be completely sure 😅😅
Peter *******
@Roland *********
she is correct all Thai's must be registered in a Blue Book somewhere.Ralph *******
@Peter ******
Yes, I’ve been told that there is a blue book with everyone registered in it!Nongnuch ********
@Ralph ******
so your wife still has a blue housebook. She can use this to register the house in the online TM30 system. Once registered, she will receive a Login-ID and a password. With these, you can always register yourself in the TM30 system when you enter Thailand coming from abroad. Mot Immigrations will onlyservice you if you are properly TM30 registered. . . . Your wife owning or not owning property, bears absolutely no weight for your application to a 90-days Non-Imm-O Family Visa, and the subsequent application to the 12-months Extension of the Stay Permit. Immigration will however want to see pictures showing you in front of your house and they will come for a visit to ask your neighbours if your marriage is for real. The Chanote title document that shows the ownership of the property the house is sitting on, will not be asked for by Immigration. Only the blue housebook of your wife is relevant.Ralph *******
@Nongnuch *******
Why are you telling me this?Ralph *******
@Nongnuch *******
Either your comprehension isn’t good or you’ve got the wrong person.Nongnuch ********
@Ralph ******
wrong person, sorry. My reply was meant for @Robert ******
Ralph *******
@Roland *********
Thai people tend not to be very compliant, especially in the provinces!Roland **********
@Ralph ******
It's just what you think. 😅🤭Reply to
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Brandon ************
None of that has anything to do with TM30 and will not make any difference at all in that regard.
Robert *******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Brandon ***********
PS. I’ve lived in Thailand maybe 6 years total and probably made 30+ trips there. And I’ve never done a TM 30 and as far as I know no hotels have done one. I’ve just lived at one of the houses.Andy ************
@Robert ******
If you were only here on 45 day exempt, you'd never have need for a TM30. Most hotels do it through their online system. They don't give you anything unless you specifically askJoseph ****
@Andy ***********
He wasn't staying at hotels.Andy ************
@Joseph ***
I didn't say he was staying at hotels. He said he wasn't aware of hotels doing it, but most do, but they don't necessarily tell you. That's the point I was making 😆👍Nongnuch ********
@Joseph ***
it doesn't matter where he was staying if he was only staying for 45 days he had no business on Immigration so he practically was able to ignore the TM30 registrationReply to
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Sylvia ********
@Robert ******
but i understand this post is about extending visa for one year, then 90 days report etc you must have TM30 registeredReply to
Sylvia ********
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Robert *******
ORIGINAL POSTER@Brandon ***********
ok.. Two years ago I went to Thailand with my wife and daughter ( also born in Thailand ) I got a Visa on Arrival, stayed for 45 days, went to Laos for 10 days and returned to Thailand. My wife’s niece did paperwork at NKP immigration stating I was living at my wife’s house. And returned to the USA a month later.Paul *******
@Robert ******
You had a visa exempt entry and not a visa on Arrival. The title documnet for land (and or house) does not help you. You would need your wifes Thai Id and possibly her house book (address registration).Reply to
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