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What documentation do I really need for my Non-O visa in Thailand: a certificate of residence or just a lease?

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Jun 23, 2018
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Brad *******
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In applying for non-immigrant O and then converting that to a ““ retirement visa“ one immigration officer said that I need a certificate of residence from the owner of my condo when I move in next week. The real estate agent says I only need a copy of the lease for immigration. I meet with them at 3 PM today Saturday. Does anyone know in the next 15 (Scratch that 45 minutes) Who is right? My idea is to cover bases and get the owner to sign the certificate of residence and then leave it with the rental agent until I move in on July 1. That way I have it if I needed it and if I don’t I have the rental agreement. My idea is to cover bases and get the owner to sign the certificate of residence and then leave it with the rental agent until I move in on July 1. That way I have it if I needed it and if I don’t I have the rental agreement.
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The post discusses the confusion over the required documentation for applying for a Non-O visa and transitioning to a retirement visa in Thailand. The author seeks clarification on whether they need a certificate of residence signed by their condo owner or if a copy of the lease suffices. Comments from the community suggest that a TM.30 form may be the critical document needed, which needs to be filed within 24 hours of moving in, along with the lease agreement, indicating a communication misunderstanding with immigration regarding the documentation.
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Ok... I googled the house book and it looks like it would be something that the building management or condo owner would have or possibly the local municipality is where I would get a copy… Any thoughts?
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The only question remaining is whether I need to get a 30 day extension on my existing stamp which expires July 9. But I will broach that question in the next day or two. For now I am just enjoying signing a lease on my first overseas residence.
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Ok, the signing of the lease went well. It turns out that the owner of the condo I am renting is a senior executive… A manager or managing director of a Thai company…He said he does have the blue house book. I asked him to take a few images of the cover and some of the inside pages but he said that his house book for the condo I am renting is empty Because he never moved in and just bought it as an investment. So if anyone has ever seen the inside of the blue house book, maybe they could advise on what pages immigration would be interested in. Otherwise I imagine it is just the cover and the first page or to identify him as the owner of the condo and I will ask him to attach images of those pages to an email to me before I go to immigration. He did provide me with a copy of his Thai ID. Thanks again Tod for the help.
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Tod *********
the owner of the condo has it, as it's in HIS name (or the company he bought the property with) the condo management company might have a copy. When he bought the place he got the Chanote (title deed) and a blue house book
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Seeing as there are easily WAY over 100 immigration officers out at the main immigration office in the gov't complex on Chaengwattana road, it is very important you were talking to the correct ones. You need to ONLY be talking to the ones in Section C-1 <- the people that issue 90 day Non-Immigrant Type visas. They should have given you a hand out of what the requirements are for you to apply for the 90 day Non-O.

Don't take what anyone else there is saying as far as what you need to do it get that visa
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I am not sure what house book of honor is… Sorry dictation owner but it would seem reasonable that I have the above document per certificate of residence signed by the owner and also a copy of the lease . Do I need a book of the owner for someone who owns a condo and leases it through a commercial real estate agency?
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 ก๊อปปี้ทะเบียนบ้าน <- that says copy house book ;)
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Brad *******
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Ok thanks. I am going downstairs now to sign the lease with the owner. I imagine it is normal for a tie business man to provide me with a copy of his ID. If he doesn’t know what a copy of the house book on the property is… How would I describe it to him?… Or maybe the real estate agency and one managing the property would have this house booked for this high-rise condo
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Tod *********
In Bangkok they don't require a TM.30 form be filed to get a 90 day Non-O visa from section C-1 out at Chaengwattana Immigration office. They need your lease, the owners thai i/d, a copy of the house book on the property and that should suffice as far as proof of where you live.

If you want to you can self file a TM.30 form at the immigration office out at Chaengwattana in Section A <- the 90 day report room, but AFAIK it is NOT required in bangkok for anything.
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Thank you’ll all. I will be playing in Bangkok… Applying in Benton sorry Siri is really causing problems… Applying in Bangkok. Yes the image of the form is exactly what I have. So it sounds from what you both are saying, I should give this to the condo owner because he is required to file it within 24 hours of my move in on July 1. Even though it’s up to him to file it I understand that I should have a copy with me .
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I would bet dollars to durian that there's a lost in translation from the immigration officer and that the 'certificate of residence" they are talking about is in reality the TM.30 form you or your land lord is required to file within 24 hours of taking up residence. That form has the oh-so long name of "Notification From For House-Master, Owner Or The Possessor Of The Residence Where Alien Has Stayed". :O I just call it the alien in residence form ;)

The reason I am saying it's a lost in translation moment IS; look at the heading on the sheet the Phuket immigration office gives people to file a TM.30 :P
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Jo *******
"Dollars to durian" - LOVE IT! Lol!
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Tod *********
how about stating where in thailand you're gonna be doing this Non-O application?
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Download the TM30 form from the files section, it is two pages and with copy ID and house book of owner, your file this document within 24 hours on arriving in your rental house at local Immigration. After that you can apply for the Certificate of Residence at Immigration, unless you stay in Bangkok.
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Brad *******
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Sorry for the dictation error above
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