What are the requirements for obtaining a yearly extension based on retirement in Thailand regarding bank statements?

Jun 4, 2022
3 years ago
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Yearly Transaction History Print Out for extensions

Let's see if we can't get to the bottom of the "yearly transaction detail" that is being requested by more and more immigration offices for people who use either banked money method OR monthly income method by international transfer when getting a yearly extension based on being over 50 (retirement)

At MANY banks nowadays when you go to update a passbook (especially if you have more than 21 days between updates) it will NOT print an entry for every transaction and instead ONLY print a summary (money in/money out) since the last update. That is NOT sufficient to meet the requirements for proof of funds. šŸ˜• And this is why immigration offices started asking for the year transaction history print out

Time Deposits are the exception to this because you can't touch the money and the updates are ONLY interest paid notations.

Remember for banked money method you need to have the 80)K funds IN the bank for 2 months before you apply, they need to stay in for 3 months after the extension is granted and then the balance can't go below 400K for the rest of the year. So it's the year transaction detail that shows this

Just like for monthly international transfers you need to have either updated your bank book EVERY month OR have the year transaction print out showing EACH international transfer for the previous 12 months.

There is only one office I am aware of where IF you're using banked money method they give you a paper telling you to come back in 3 months with an updated bank book to prove to them you kept the 800K baht in the bank and that's the one at Jomtien. All the rest of the offices look at the previous 12 months account history and balance to make sure you didn't drop below the required amount of funds

Most banks are getting dialed in that this is a requirement (SCB will print it when they issue the bank letter) BUT some banks have to order the year history and it takes 5 to 7 days SO order the transaction history, THEN on the date you go back to pick that up, get the bank letter printed so that it's valid when you go to apply

Also different offices have different lengths of time they will accept a bank letter (that simple 5 or 6 line one that states your name, account, balance and date). Bangkok will accept a bank letter up to 7 days after it's written, some offices require you to get the bank letter the day you apply for the extension (which means you aren't gonna go to the immigration office until the banks open and you can get that letter written)

Also as far as I know ALL offices require you to update your bank book on the date you apply.

Sorry this was long, hopefully it was marginally helpful

This is what that transaction history looks like. It is usually printed on paper that has those "dot-matrix" tear off tabs running down the side and they print ONE for each month one after another
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TLDR : Answer Summary
In Thailand, to obtain a yearly extension based on retirement (NON-O visa), expats must provide a detailed yearly transaction history from their bank. This practice has become more stringent as immigration offices increasingly require comprehensive proof of funds. Under the banked money method, expats need to have 800,000 baht in their account for at least two months prior to application and maintain this balance for three months after the extension is granted. Moreover, the bank statements must show that the funds haven't dipped below the threshold for the previous twelve months. While some banks provide a summary statement, others may require ordering a detailed year transaction history, which can take several days. Different immigration offices may have varying rules on how recent the bank letter or statement should be, with many offices requiring updates on the date of application. Expats are advised to prepare well in advance and understand their specific bank's process to avoid complications.
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Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
and I think this has been bandied about enough. Just wanted people to have an idea of WHY they are asking for year transaction detail print outs.

Take care one and all
Paul *******
Iā€™ve got over the 800k and intend to leave it that way. And extend in October. So can I just show a print out of my balance 2 months before I extend?
Paul *******
@Tod ********
the current stamp Iā€™m using was made wile my original year long visa was still active. So I assume this will be my first official extension?
Tod *********
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@Paul ******
, as Marty correctly asked IS this your very first yearly extension using banked money? If that is yes, then you only show the funds in for 2 months before you apply, HOWEVER if you're on a yearly extension now and getting a new year, you WILL need the year print out
Marty *********
@Paul ******
Is this your first extension?
Clifford ********
For Bangkok Bank users: I was given a tip by my bank at my last extension. I've not done this yet so cannot confirm. But they told me that I can walk in and get a 6 month statement on the spot and thus don't need to wait days for it. Then at extension time I do the same thing and get the letter at the same time. I don't recall if the 6 month statement was free or not. I'm thinking they said it was but I'm not sure.
Paul *******
@Claude *********
how do you request 12 month statement on Bangkok Bank Mobile app? Text them?
Tod *********
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@Clifford *******
oh right, sorry I mis-remembered what you wrote. šŸ™‚

Yep I know people who do that as well
Steven ****************
@Claude *********
You sure it doesn't need the bank to stamp it?
Clifford ********
@Tod ********
Sorry, guess I wasn't clear. Yes, the advice was to come in 6 mos after my last extension to get 6 month stmt. Then come back in before my next extension to get the stmt for the second half of the year.
Jennifer ******
@Claude *********
Thanks for this tip. Just went on to have a look and it's easy.
Claude **********
@Clifford *******
for what itā€™s worth you can now use the mobile application to request a 12 months statement and they send it by email immediately and for free
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
I think that wouldn't work
@Clifford *******
and I sure wouldn't even try it unless I had plenty of time left on my current stamp so I could order the actual year detail print out before my extension expired šŸ˜®

Unless I'm mistaken they would only give you the same 6 months they keep in the 'buffer' that they can print on demand.

You have to ORDER the year, so unless you got the 6 months statement half way thru your extension and then got another one just before, it wouldn't work
Scott ******
After reading all this,it looks like I will only be able to stay 1 year in Thailand on my non immigrant O visa extension for retirement. I use the 800k baht banked method in my Bangkok bank savings account . I had planned to visit Vietnam and Malaysia 1 month each..but since I will be out of Thailand 2 months and not able to go to the bank to make a monthly deposit to satisfy immigration..looks like I will not qualify for another yearly extension even though I have over 900k baht in the bank and never withdraw any of it. I am glad to know about this now...I will plan accordingly .
Claude **********
@Marty ********
you donā€™t even need a transaction if your bank prints a line with the balance when they update your passbook (Bangkok Bank does this)
Scott ******
@Marty ********
thanks Marty.. and Tod...I understand now and I won't forget the re-entry permit either! I am in Hua Hin...and things have gone really smooth here with immigration, banking and Thai drivers licenses.been here 35 days, love it!
Marty *********
@Scott *****
At the time you apply for your next extension you get a year banking statement. The purpose of the statement is to show that your balance didnā€™t dip below 800,000. Any other account activity is irrelevant. You donā€™t have to have any activity at all except one transaction on the day you apply for your extension. Then you update your bank book to show this transaction.
Scott ******
@Marty ********
no I don't want to switch to the 65k baht income method..want to use the banked method..and won't touch the money at all. I was under the impression that if I don't add 500 to 1000 baht evey month to show activity. .then the statement will have a few missing months.. ok thank you for the helpful information...I am overthinking again šŸ˜Š
Marty *********
@Tod ********
Remember to get a re-entry permit when traveling or there goes your extension whatever money is in the bank.
Marty *********
@Scott *****
I donā€™t understand. If you have 800,000 in the bank you can continue to use it for each year extension. If you are trying to switch to the monthly method you can wire transfer a monthly deposit.
Tod *********
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@Scott *****
you are confusing two separate things.

IF you are using banked money method you will be fine, just leave the balance above the threshold required for the time required

You will NOT have to be here only one year, you will be fine, and can travel all you want.

You said you will leave the balance so there's no issue at all in meeting the requirements

There is no monthly deposit required when you are using banked money method
Jill **********
Hi Todd,

Thank you for the infornation. Just one quick question: you mention Time Deposits. Is that a type of bank account?
Jill **********
@Tod ********
got it. Thanks.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Jill *********
fixed or time deposits are bank accounts where you deposit xxx baht for a fixed period of time and you get higher interest (marginally) than you do on a straight savings account.
Thomas *********
Well done.
John *************
Sorry, I misspoke a bit above... The emailed statement route is via the two banks' Android mobile banking apps... not via their website online banking platforms.
Claude **********
@John ************
if works with the Bangkok Bank iPhone app as well
John *************
Both Bangkok Bangkok Bank and I believe Siam Commercial as well now have the ability to request 1 year past prior bank statements for your accounts via their online banking platforms. And they'll email you the full statements typically within the same day for no fee. I just did that recently with BKKB when I needed to get a year prior detailed account statement for FBAR purposes. And I talked with SCB customer service and they said they will do the same. My BKKB statement arrived within about 15 minutes after I clicked the request within online banking, and that was late at night after regular working hours.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@John ************
and were you able to use it for the year detail transaction requirement at your immigration office when you got your yearly extension?
Peter ****
I had a question about the history print out date below:

Some IO request the bank letter date same as the application date of extension. How about the date of transaction history print out? Since the Bangkok bank need to order it few days ago, when I get the print out, sure the date will be earlier than the application date.
Ellie *******
@Claude *********
Sorry I meant original report from that bank vs print out by yourself. (mixed with the letter)
Claude **********
@Ellie ******
I may be wrong but I went to do my extension 3 weeks ago and got the statement from the bank (not the app) and I donā€™t remember they put any stamp or signature on it. The bank letter had those for sure but not the one year statement as far as remember šŸ¤”
Ellie *******
@Claude *********
We know it is possible to request the log through an app. What we cannot confirm is if IOs accept those documents by email, not the 'original' one from the bank..
Claude **********
@Ellie ******
havenā€™t had a problem so far with Bangkok Bank taking up to 2 weeks to do the yearly print out, just need the bank letter and the passbook update to be on the same day but for what itā€™s worth you can now use the mobile application to request a 12 months statement and they send it by email immediately and for free
Ellie *******
@Peter ***
, It's not a same-or-different thing. It's how many days old is acceptable at your local immigration office and it varies. That's why you need to check with your local immigration office.
Peter ****
@Ellie ******
you donā€™t get my point. The history print out date will never been the application date, that is what I want to clarify the history print out date is not necessary be the same application date, otherwise it is not possible for Bangkok bank account holder to get the document for IO.
Ellie *******
@Peter ***
What I mean is, it's the same as a bank letter, it varies with each IO, so check with your local IO.
Peter ****
@Ellie ******
what I mean is the history print out, not the bank letter.
Ellie *******
@Peter ***
, that varies with each immigration office like bank letter. For example, a bank letter is accepted up to 7days old at some IOs, still, some other IOs accept up to 3 days, or some others accept only on the same day.

Check with your local immigration.
Claude **********
@Tod ********
not sure if itā€™s Phuket specific but the Ā« 2 months before, 3 months after Ā» rule seems to apply only the first time you ask for the extension after you got a non-O visa, after that the rule is Ā« 3 months before, 3 months after Ā»
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Claude *********
all I'm saying is the real rule is 2before/3after.
Claude **********
@Tod ********
a friend of mine got yelled at by the IO, with an injonction to go back to his country, when he tried to explain that and 2 weeks ago I got send back home and told to come back the following week because I was short of 3 days to make 3 months. May be they donā€™t understand their own rules and theyā€™re tripping on power but the result is the same ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ
Tod *********
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@Claude *********
sorry, that's just what they're telling you. The actual rule is 2 months before and 3 months after and that's the rule at EVERY immigration office in the country (no matter what they say)

NOW if you won't say anything to them, or make them follow the rules that's on you..

here's the thai and english of the police order for the retirement extension using banked money
Paweł *********
Every year it's becoming more and more nonsense. Turns out you spend more time jumping around all these requirements in different offices / banks rather than enjoying the country itself.
Michael ********
Not looking forward to this process. Iā€™ll be switching from Non O married to retirement at the end of the year šŸ˜¢
Marty *********
@Michael *******
It wasn't my business to ask. In any case the switch to retirement will be easier than the divorce.
Michael ********
@Marty ********
looks like divorce will be finalized, only taken three years šŸ˜‚, so to stay I need to switch.
Marty *********
@Michael *******
Switching married to retirement is just less documentation. It is more expensive though.
Mark *******
I don't understand why anyone would want to keep 800k tied up in a bank account after year 1. Surely if you were depositing an additional 65k per month from the beginning of your 1st extension based on retirement, you then have 12 month's statement based on regular income so the 800k is no longer needed?
Jennifer *********
@Marty ********
Exactly!!
Marty *********
@Mark ******
I keep 800,000 baht in my Thai bank year after year because it is simple to do and I can afford to do it. I donā€™t have to track whether I made a deposit each month and more importantly whether each deposit is tagged as a foreign transfer. I never have to think about meeting the financial requirements. I think the key factor here is that some of us can afford to keep the money ā€œtied upā€ and we consider the monthly method too much of a hassle.
Mark *******
@Ellie ******
the 65k can be taken out immediately, used or sent back to original account abroad via Dee before being sent back again
Ellie *******
@Mark ******
Everyone's priorities and conditions are different. Some people transfer money every couple of months. Some don't have to transfer 65K monthly. A lot of different reasons that 800K deposit is easier for different people.
Pa ***************
Thank you šŸ™šŸ¼! Very clearšŸ¤—
Steven ******
Had this same thing happen to me.. Went for the extension on may 10th. Immigration office in Phrae.. After about a half hour the officer walks over and says I need a 12 month printout of the account. She was nice about it... She did give me the 1 year extension... Wrote down what I needed from the bank.. Went back to the bank.. Payed 200 baht.. Came back in a week picked it up and brought it back to immigration.. Asked if this is going to be permanent for every extension and she Smiled and said YES IT IS... See you next year.

PS.. The bank I use is Bangkok Bank..

I do have a question for the group..

If I open another account in my name only.. Deposit the 800,000 baht.. Never touch it for the entire year.. Will immigration still want a 12 month printout.
Thomas **********
@Steven *****
I do a extension for retirement every year based on the 800,000 method. I keep that money in a fixed account and never touch it. Each year CW requires me to submit the 12 month statement. I simply go to BKK and request the statement one week before I plan to go to CW, pick up that statement with the regular letter, go to immigration and never have a problem.
Marty *********
@Steven *****
A bankbook is not a reliable statement of the year banking activity. I literally never update my bankbook except on the day of my extension application.
James ********
@Steven *****
they will still want to see the printout.
Steven ******
@Gooddy ******
but wouldn't they just have to look at the updated bankbook and it would show that the money hasn't been touched for the entire year. Seems like that would be enough proof. But in the end they probably will still want that 12 month printout
Gooddy *******
@Steven *****
I would say yes otherwise how do they know the account has followed the minimum balance rules ?
Chris ******
Confirm that I have been using the year's print out from my Bangkok Bank account at Lopburi office for at least the past three years.......... (I do monthly remission method for a Non O based on retirement).

My practice is to prepare them a summary sheet listing all the International transfers by date and amount to add as a header to the print out. Also yellow marker highlighting the relevant entries on the yearly print. They LIKE that and use both during checking, completed swiftly as a result.

For monthly remission method, it is rare to have an exact coincidence of dates, the renewal usually takes place part way through a month, so the current month is incomplete. I simply provide evidence of 12 complete months up to the month preceding the renewal. They are fine with that.

I usually get the year print ordered and delivered a month prior. Then the final month pre renewal can be obtained on the spot in the branch. Slightly different format, but stamped signed and dated by the Bank and always accepted.

Last renewal was just on a month ago, completed in just on 40 minutes from in the door to out again, including filling out all forms in the office and a renewal of 90 days. On that occasion, no request for information on source of funds (UK accounts, pension letters etc) as has been the case in previous years. Nor any reference at all to my host Housemaster, who was present, but not a word addressed to him. I am well known and liked there, though, as is my family - 90 days done in person has advantages.......
Tom *****
With Krung Thai I have this problem of a summary balance if I leave it too long since the last update. On my online banking I print the full detail of the range summarised and take that along with my passbook. So far this has been acceptable by my IO.
Dirk **************
Wouldn't it make much easier to have two banking accounts? One for immigration purposes with no or little activity and one for your normal expenses. Opening banking accounts in Thailand is not too difficult or expensive.
Nick ************
@Dirk *************
that's exactly what I am doing but they will most likely find something wrong with it even though the funds will have been there 18 months. If interest rates go up in UK the money is going back there.
Marty *********
@Dirk *************
You will still have to provide a one year statement for the account you dedicate to immigration funds.
Richard *******
@Marty ********
Nope, I use a time deposit, I update my book and then print a copy of the books pages for the previous year and it is accepted.
Marty *********
@Richard ******
Whatever works for your IO office is what you should do. It varies from office to office. Getting a bank statement is pretty easy. I'm not sure why there is resistance to getting them but . . . up to you
Richard *******
@Marty ********
No resistance to it, I just did what they asked me to do.
Dirk **************
@Marty ********
yes, but the documentation might not be such a headache.
Marty *********
@Dirk *************
There is literally no difference in the documents you need to apply for an extension whether you have a dedicated bank account or not.
Kevin ***********
@Marty ********
But there can be a huge difference in the amount of pages. Plus zero stress about going below
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Marty *********
@Kevin **********
They are just pages printed by the bank. Nothing complicated about it. That is what staples are for. It is true though that there is less chance of accidentally dipping the balance too low. Never been a problem for me.
Richard *******
@Dirk *************
That is exactly what I (and several of my friends) do.
Serge **********
@Richard ******
same here, keep it separate !
Billy ************
Chiang Mai Immigration requires bank statement from date last extension was granted to date of current application which can be greater than 12 months. Rather than waiting 7 days for BKK Bank to obtain full years statement I obtain 3 consecutive statements locally through the year; months 1-5, months 6-10, months 11-12 or 13.

I have used this method for my last 3 extensions without problem.
Fabio *******************
for my experience in these years at krungsri bank the waiting time for the annual statement is only one day
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Fabio ******************
it varies by bank and branch too šŸ˜•
Martin **********
I had exactly this issue at Chang Wattana when renewing my Marriage based on o two weeks ago.. I did exactly the same as
@Nick ***********
and problem solved.

They did NOT ask me to keep the funds there until I go back next week however although I will get another update and statement just in case !
Daniel *******
@Tod ********
Sure thing. I had just assumed it would be uniform rules regarding the money, albeit the lesser amounts. Thanks again šŸ‘
Daniel *******
@Tod ********
Thanks for the clarification, Tod
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Martin *********
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@Daniel ******
This topic is NOT about marriage extensions it's about the need for a yearly transaction history print out for RETIREMENT extensions. Let's stay on topic please šŸ˜‰
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Daniel ******
the ONLY immigration office that tells people to leave the funds in the account for the 30 day under consideration period is Chaengwattana. They do this even though there is no written rule about this at all in the police order for marriage extensions šŸ™

No other office has you do it, SO if you already went back and got the year extension inked in you're fine moving the money as long as it's back to the 400K baht 2 months before you apply for your extension NEXT year
Daniel *******
@Tod ********
I just got my yearly extension based on marriage. The day after it was granted I moved 100k (from my 400k) out of bank to my wife's account for our use. So it means this is ok? I mean, as long as we have 400k back in there 2-3 months before next application?
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Martin *********
, they didn't need a year transaction history from you because you were getting an extension based on marriage NOT retirement and the marriage requirements are only 400K in the bank for 2 months before you apply.

When you go back to "close the loop" on that under consideration stamp in Section L-2 just update the bank book the day you go in and make a copy of that page of the passbook, that's all they want nothing more.
Martin **********
PS I'd also had the letter printed that same day. This was Kasikorn bank.
Marty *********
All of this points to the wisdom of applying for your yearly extension as early as your immigration office allows, 30 or 45 days. If you have never obtained a yearly statement then just get one now to familiarize yourself with your bankā€™s process
Marty *********
@Jennifer ********
It is a small charge and my Kasikorn branch provides a year statement while I am sitting there. Others though have to wait several days. Best to know now your particular bankā€™s procedure.
Jennifer *********
It's usually an easy ask. My bank (Kasikorn) charges for the service.
Gooddy *******
Really great summary. Thanks
Kevin ***********
Isnā€™t a Time Deposit the same as a Fixed Account? I have a one-year fixed account but Iā€™m able to deposit and withdraw at any time. It just resets the interest calculation. So there shouldnā€™t be an exception.
Tod *********
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@Kevin **********
with those types you usually don't need a year detail transaction history as you leave the principal in the account for the term of the deposit
Kevin ***********
@Tod ********
Iā€™m using the second one. So does your ā€œTime Deposits are the exceptionā€¦ā€ paragraph apply to anyone?
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Kevin **********
There are two types of fixed accounts/time deposits in thailand one where the money is frozen and you can't access it for the term of the deposit <- that one CANNOT be used for extensions because one criteria is you need to have access to the funds

The other one is where you deposit the money for a specific period of time BUT can access it (even though you get a penalty or lose the interest) and that one CAN be used for the proof of funds
Nick ************
That is all very useful Tod but in Bangkok I had to show a transaction on application day. I did a phone top up and then had to get bank book updated again.
Tod *********
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@Nick ***********
right, you have to update the bank book on the day you apply at most offices. Many banks will not print a balance with the current date without a transaction being done on that date too

It's common to have to do that so you can get a line item to print on the passbook for that date
Bim *******
So if you keep the 800k in the bank and never draw on it am I right in saying it's a fairly straight forward process?
Nick ************
@Bim ******
should be but they love to make things difficult.
Gooddy *******
@Bim ******
itā€™s 800k
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Bim ******
they'd most likely still wanna see the monthly balance each and every month for the previous year.
Bim *******
@Tod ********
so I'm guessing every month I go update my book.
Jennifer *********
Yikes! Thanks for that really important and useful information Tod. It looks like "they" are wanting "us" to jump through increasingly complicated hoops. Anyhow, good to know how we can continue to keep "them" happy and accommodating!!!
Chris ******
@Jennifer ********
completely normal for a minimum of three years..........
Tod *********
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@Jennifer ********
nope not increasingly complicated hoops at all

When the rules changed on Jan 1st 2019 for the seasoning of banked money funds (which were previously show the 800K baht 2 months before your first yearly extension and then for 3 months before every extension after that) to what they are now (the 800k in the account 2 months before, stays in the account for 3 months after and then can't go below 400K the rest of the year) The immigration office needed a way to PROVE people were following those new rules.

Unfortunately due to most people NOT updating their passbooks with every transaction OR even couple times a month they decided that the yearly transaction history printed by the bank would work as proof.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Oh and this is what the regular bank letter looks like
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