What are the details regarding the visa extension for foreigners in Thailand amidst COVID-19 situation?

Jul 17, 2020
4 years ago
Alan *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
ok, extension (of sorts) now confirmed
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As of now, there are indications of a potential visa extension for foreigners in Thailand, awaiting cabinet approval before being finalized in the Royal Gazette. Discussions among expats indicate that the extension may allow applications until September 26. However, there are many uncertainties regarding eligibility and the process, especially for those on tourist or visa-exempt statuses. Several commenters express concerns about the limitations imposed by flight caps and the viability of obtaining emergency letters from embassies. There is a general hope for clarity in upcoming announcements regarding the specific requirements and options for visa applicants.
Reiner *********
Wrong
Graham *********
We can all guess dont need to be like you
Reiner *********
Show the prove....
Graham *********
@Reiner ********
...what proof
Reiner *********
555 crazy... I am Not
Graham *********
Reiner *********
@Graham ********
till now nothing Confirmed and as I saw not fir tourists.... Just wait for an official announcement.... Not post guessing
Graham *********
@Reiner ********
...what are you on about
Reiner *********
@Graham ********
... Typical....
Graham *********
@Reiner ********
.I am giving you a taxi good night...555
Graham *********
@Reiner ********
yes like you
Graham *********
Simple system.....just say 3 month more extension....then you pay 1900 a month at the airport when you leave or renew visa...they make it like a bloody circus
Todd *********
this does seem an easy solution
Alan *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
If anyone is in bother I know an agent who is very good with 'paperwork' and cheaper than all the others. She can't perform miracles but if anyone can get the job done, she can. Pm me if want to know more. Nothing in this for me btw, just so you know.
Chelsey *********
@Alan ******
in Bangkok?
Oreilly **************
I was at immigration yesterday many distressed people not knowing what to do !!

The general answer from immigration was look at website I felt sorry for them !!
Todd *********
@Oreilly *************
well that was a waste of time for everyone then
Steven *******
I’m still none the bloody wiser after reading that spiel
Maurice *********
Realy but not on thai media yet ????
Dave ***********
@Maurice ********
It's all over Thai english language news sites
Maurice *********
@Dave **********
ok dave i havent seen it yet
Graham *********
In other words start packing ASAP....
Graham *********
I have got bored with thailand..only short trips for me now
Paolo ***********
It makes sense, but there is such a hysteria here now that I don't know if they will. I mean the the panic over that one asymptotic Egyptian air force officer in Rayong was shocking.
Graham *********
@Paolo **********
..sure was...
Paolo ***********
Yes Austin, we will know for sure next week and the exact details. I'm glad with this. it's the first concrete thing I have had to deal with, and it seems a very reasonable policy.
Graham *********
@Paolo **********
...if it don't open this year its mega cash problems for Thailand.. i would go odds on it opens....october so people can book there holidays
Paolo ***********
Exactly. The bag packing and bike happens by Sept 26 if you don't sort some kind of long stay visa. The agents will have a field day. So in this case it is a firm ending date to amnesty on Sept. 26.
Graham *********
@Paolo **********
..yes we just wait and see
Austin *******
@Paolo **********
not until the government gives cobfirmation.
Graham *********
@Paolo **********
...make room to.open up october 1...lol
Graham *********
Any one wont a taxi...lol
Paolo ***********
They can stay until September 26 even if they don't. "He said those who planned to return to their home countries did not need to contact the bureau but also had to leave Thailand by Sept 26." The ones who get a new visa of some kind can stay after.
Graham *********
@Paolo **********
...dont go for a visa leave before sept 26...so start making arrangements to leave job done
Graham *********
Its simple get a visa..or get a bike...lol
Todd *********
@Graham ********
within next 2 months... not exactly a big need to sprint to immigration
Graham *********
@Todd ********
if you are going go before it gets busy...
Todd *********
@Gra***
😂 you honestly have to be kidding. Who cares. 1) 90% of the tourists are gone. 2) the remaining 10% have 57 days to sort it out. 3) the situation is changing every day. Odds favour us staying much longer. I might have to drag myself in on sept 25th lol. IF nothing has changed by then. Wanna give me odds on that bet?
Graham *********
Todd *********
@Gra***
I can relate. I like the travel and movement more. Each nation has such unique attributes. But Covid has grounded that 🤷‍♂️🥂
Graham *********
@Todd ********
..it sure has difficult times now
Paolo ***********
They also can stay. Read the Bangkok Post article.
Graham *********
@Paolo **********
yes if they get a visa
Paolo ***********
Actually the opposite of that. Read the Bangkok Post article. It's crystal clear.
Graham *********
@Paolo **********
..a lot are on 30 day entry etc
Paolo ***********
The Bangkok Post article makes it very clear. We have until September 26 to get a new visa of some kind or we have to leave, if not we will be considered on overstay. It seems that the blacklist comes in immediately if we stay past then. Of course, we will know more next week after the cabinet meeting and see what is in the Royal Gazette.
Paolo ***********
I am not sure,but it should be cleat next week.
Paolo ***********
Glad you got a kick out of it. : )
Todd *********
@Paolo **********
Lol. Thanks for the overly dramatic version of ‘2 months more amnesty’!! Good laugh from your post man. Well played 😂😂😂
Don ******
Let’s call it a grace period, not an extension. We’d hate for all the idiot westerners to think they’re welcome here for two more months!
Ben **********
Don ******
@Ben *********
what does Afbkk mean???
Garrett ***********
@D**
That's his name...
Don ******
@Garrett **********
🤣🤣🤣 ok, I’ll stfu now! Everyone have a great Friday!
Yvor ***********
“So we do not propose to extend visas after July 31, but allow for visa requests from August 1 to September 26,” he said, adding the grace period will be proposed to cabinet for approval.

After which, if a request was not made and the visa expired, over staying will be considered illegal.
Todd *********
@Yvor **********
overstay is always illegal. So is speeding
Don ******
@Yvor **********
pretty vague
Don ******
FFS
David ********
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Garrett ***********
If i had to speculate about what this mean, I would say this does NOT apply to tourist or visa exempt visa holders. It would make sense this would apply to those needing yearly extensions of stay that expired during the amnisty period and didn't renew them. The grace period would allow those holders to apply for their extension without having to leave the country, and their expired visa would not effect their ability to extend.

That would be my GUESS.
Todd *********
@Garrett **********
and you would be wrong. Again. Looks like another 2 months of visa free. enjoyment. Thx for all the wrong advice so far though
Garrett ***********
@To**
When was I wrong the first time?
Todd *********
@Gar****
kidding. I know u can get a rough time. Thx for offering advice and counsel! Cheers
Jane ***********
Agree, unless they offer some kind of 'temporary visa' option for tourist/visa-exempt.
Jane ***********
Interesting how all the Captain Thailands (copyright
@Garrett **********
), eg "the honeymoon is over amnesty suckers" trolls who have barely left this page for weeks have gone very very quiet all of a sudden. 😍
Rob *******
@Jane **********
They’ve been quiet for me because I just block those people immediately, they have nothing of value to offer and it makes these groups a more pleasant experience.

It’s no coincidence that they all seem to be big fans of a certain incompetent blow hard 😉
Chester ********
I love so many were saying should just f off coz we have overstayed our welcome...completely ignoring that most like me caught up in this are between visa renewals eg ed or work permits.
Joe *******
@Jane **********
good news will do that, makes Trolls Shrivel like the little dicks they are 😆
Dayumay **********
@Donald **********
please save us!
Austin *******
NOT CONFIRMED
Paolo ***********
Needs to make it through the cabinet, but highly probable.
Austin *******
@Paolo **********
I know what was proposed because I'm living in here and I'm following the news. Until you hear it from the Cabinet, NOT CONFIRMED.
Danny *****
@Austin ******
NOT CONFIRMED, NOT CONFIRMED, NOT CONFIRMED, NOT CONFIRMED, NOT CONFIRMED!!!!!!
David **********
One guy commented and I believe very accurately if they ended the amnesty on the 31st they could not physically get all of the Foreigners out of the country in that short of time. There just aren’t that many planes taking off on international flights. What I’ve heard is most international flights have been canceled
Freddie **********
I'm sure you do, there's many a theories out there on how to go about it. Some call it speculative art, or compare it to trading.. I monitor too..avoid booking on week-ends..middle of the night if I can, depending on time zone of airline hq..and try flying mid wk..but at the end of the day it's all a gamble, and theres many real time factors involved ( geopolitical, offer/demand, like 3rd parties buying bulk..or bogus etc) which u can't know about unless you work or have connections in the industry..but then you'd be getting such discounts you'd be out of the game anyways...
Freddie **********
But you are right that when it goes wrong its ping pong mayhem.. ostrich fest fucking nightmare...
Freddie **********
@Todd ********
agreed..tho personally I've never had issues with 3rd parties (or maybe once in 20 yrs). When I booked early Feb for end of March, I completely underestimated how fast the shit show would snowball....but so did most of the world...live and learn...
Freddie **********
And this is was Swampy less then 2 wks ago. B4 the rayong scare..
Freddie **********
Freddie **********
Freddie **********
Ok then, DO NOT book with 3rd party to fly during global pandemic lol
Freddie **********
That's a big + for refund policy..but how long they got? I'm looking at 1 yr minimum for my Emirates one..but it was headed for EU..think they have laws there too..I'll look into it..

You're strategy is a good one against cancellations for sure tho. But I'd suggest an early start, and a thick wallet 😉 .
Freddie **********
@David *********
my stance exactly. Already there's only a handful of the "usual" airlines flying in/out. And those have fewer flights scheduled then b4. Which they may or may not be allowed to fly jam packed for sanitary reasons (if so, not looking forward to 10+hrs in one). But reality is, so many are still getting canceled. No way there'll be enough seats to go around before the 31st...
David **********
@Freddie *********
Can you tell me which airlines are flying out of BKK on to LAX?

Flights are selling tickets through Expedia etc. But I hear the flights get canceled. I want to buy a ticket from BKK through to LAX sometime in August.
Freddie **********
DON'T BUY THROUGH EXPEDIA!!! Not right now anyways! Still waiting for confirmation of airline credit I was promised in March after flight canceled. They've been absolutely impossible to get a hold of, call center "overloaded" any email I get back says they're waiting for the airline to confirm T's & C's b4 they can issue anything.. I contacted the airline that week and got the info straight away, but since I booked with agent, voucher/refund needs to b processed by said agent...its been 4 mths...🤬🤬. But turns out I couldn't use voucher anyway since Emirates not flying here yet. So I'll deal with them when I'm out of here and can afford to be put on hold long distance for hrs....

My advice is book directly with the airline, especially with current cancellation rates, or you won't see the end of it.

As for which airlines fly to LAX, any airline will gladly take your money even if they're well aware at time of booking that flight is likely to cancel.

I been had this way too. Got 3K tied up with various airlines/agents for cancelled flights in multiple attempts to leave here last 4 mths...

So..Google flights is a good place to start but be sure to cross check with and monitor BKK arrival/departures. Either on their page or better flightradar24.com You may also be able to get a list from your embassy, but cross check that too (the one I got from my consulate was already outdated and turned out half the airlines weren't running..yet still taking bookings, but that was back in april)..I learned this the hard way.

But it is doable. Best of luck to you!
Angus *********
@Freddie *********
Cheapo Air is the very same ! 🤬
Freddie **********
@Angus ********
lesson learned.. DO NOT book with a 3rd party during a global pandemic 😆🤯
Todd *********
@Freddie *********
nobody would be that stupid
Freddie **********
@Todd ********
in the midst of it, sure...but nobody could predict how apocalyptic this was gonna get...
Todd *********
@Freddie *********
totally agreed! But using a third party booking is dodgy at best of times... during COVID, just wow
David **********
@Todd ********
before covid19, I always use a third-party booking to save money. And I save a lot of cash., take about 10 flights a year, and I never have had a problem
Todd *********
@Da***
it’s only a problem when it goes bad. Then it’s a big problem. Find the flight you want on third party. Or learn the flight patterns. After finding the flight, check airline site directly. Should be cheaper (90% of time), if not, call them. When it’s multiple airlines can be more complicated. Have been travelling full time for last 84 months and 71 countries. Only for frame of reference. Up to you!!!
Freddie **********
@Todd ********
have to agree with David I always crosscheck with airlines directly but its rarely cheaper than 3rd parties. .. Tho I did a multi city 2 yrs ago NZ to L.A., then LA to Toronto then Montreal back to LA and onto NZ with 1 wk to a mth in each. And to my surprise got a better deal directly with United..tho most of it was code share..but still...
Todd *********
@Fre****
im not guessing. I actually check it. A secondary factor for me though is that I generally take last minute flights. And one way. I’m happy if people like to throw money away though.
Freddie **********
@Todd ********
but now I'm really curious to know how you manage to save by booking direct with airlines, last minute, one way...seems odd.
Todd *********
@Fre****
Lol. What seems odd? That explains it
Freddie **********
@Todd ********
what's your secret then? I've always found I save more when I do the exact opposite..
Todd *********
@Fre****
truly nothing secret. Last minute flights. One way only, but I often glance at multiple destination flights for pricing. Occasionally beneficial. Be flexible about destination. I sometimes use the big 3rd party websites to locate opportunities, but booking with them will never go well if something goes wrong. Also identify which airlines fly out of which airport with
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then go direct to their website
Freddie **********
@Todd ********
thanx for sharing! It's late now but I'll defo look into this further when I locate my brain tomorrow 😊
Angus *********
@Freddie *********
booked long before the corvid bull shit lol
David **********
@Freddie *********
555 I know I need to buy from the airline website. I also understand if the flight lands in the United States even if it’s a foreign airline they are required to refund my ticket if canceled. I’ve got that much so far. Wondering if I should just go to Bangkok. go to the airline counter buy the ticket the day of We know the planes will not be overbooked. That’s what I think I’m gonna try and do. Just show up at the counter when the flight is supposed to leave try to book and buy. If it’s canceled try another airline. That’s what I’m going to do
Freddie **********
A-I-*****
@David *********
Many have had and still have the opportunity to leave...
Todd *********
@A-***
pack your bags then dipshits. Ur not adding anything here
Don ******
@A-***
why don’t you stuff it pal? Many are sick of your kind of advice. That said, I’m still moving forward with plans to get some kind of extension. Of course, I don’t have to explain this to you.
Chris *********
@Don *****
I second that
A-I-*****
@Don *****
I didn't tell you not to move ahead with your plans...Do you disagree that the majority of the "Tourists" had the opportunity to return?
Don ******
@A-***
i dont really care if they did or if they didn’t. That’s on them, nothing to do with me.
David **********
@A-***
I have heard it’s impossible to get a flight out. They all get canceled. Lighten up
A-I-*****
@David *********
You heard wrong... sorry...
Rei ***********
@A-***
this is just now.
David **********
@A-***
I​will​ book​ tonight​ and​we​ will​ see
Freddie **********
@A-***
have you been hiding under a rock the whole time?!?
Peter ************
@A-***
I've been trying to get a flight and since March have had 6 canceled
A-I-*****
@Peter ***********
I did not say everywhere is available to return to... Also is that the airlines fault or the governments responsibility?
Dmitry *************
Overstay and black list for all who can not got letter from Embassy
Don ******
@David *********
of course, bottom line is they’re not prepared, nor do they want, to deal with the influx of people in panic mode.
David **********
Graham *********
@Don *****
..cant more like
Don ******
Reuters is pretty solid, but still: IT’S NOT OFFICIAL UNTIL “THE FAT LADY SINGS”. They should just extend for 90 days. That will will the chance of having to go thru this chaos again.
Don ******
Probably
Klint ******
@Don *****
I think they’re making it clear they is the final chance to get a legitimate visa or GTFO. Sep 26 is exactly 6 months after the amnesty period started.
Todd *********
@Clint *****
this is actually the first chance to get a legitimate visa, as their was no other legit alternative from amnesty. There was and still is no other alternative until whatever the announcement brings. Worth understanding the difference
Klint ******
@Todd ********
What legitimate means to a visa might come with the announcement?
Todd *********
@Clint *****
The likelihood of recognition that COVID has created a unique global circumstance. So there will be a clear alternative for all of us on amnesty to convert to some form of in-country visa. Call it whatever they want, but a means that permit amnesty holders to extend their stay until such time and the global pandemic circumstance is dramatically reduced. At present, one can't even convert amnesty to a retirement visa or extend 30 day travel visa, even if criteria is met. There are no currently existing options to convert amnesty. Period. By the end of next week, it's highly likely there will be. In the meantime, we all are gonna have another 2 months or more :)
Klint ******
@Todd ********
makes sense. Thanks
Don ******
That’s okay, it’s great info and I missed Tod’s post, so thanks!
Alan *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
actually this confirms a post that Tod made yesterday - that's what got me on to it
Graham *********
Think a full opening will be October 1..for high season
Todd *********
@Graham ********
u must mean 2021? Sure as hell won’t be this Oct
Graham *********
@Todd ********
..heres hoping..they need money thats for sure
Don ******
It’s going to get worse, much worse, unfortunately. I feel for the common people and the small business owners.
Graham *********
@Don *****
..yes bars etc will struggle big time
Don ******
@Graham ********
moreover the entire tourism industry, which makes up significant portion of Thailands GDP
Graham *********
@Don *****
gdp minus 20%...big drop
Don ******
@Graham ********
let’s see if we can recoup 1.9 trillion baht of international tourism revenue and 1.3 trillion for domestic revenue while having the borders open. NOT HAPPENING
Don ******
While NOT having...
Felix ****
@Graham ********
Doubt it honestly. Thai people are scared shitless because of this virus. Then again, even a full opening would be a joke because tourists are forced to pay for a 2 week minimum 60,000-90,000 baht quarantine stay .. that puts off the majority of Western visitors
Don ******
@Felix **********
yes, there is the fear factor, for sure
Graham *********
@Felix **********
..be very interesting...the cash loss is starting to hurt now
Felix ****
@Graham ********
Yup, millions unemployed, awful situation. I am getting the feeling that the government is intending to mainly cater to the wealthy Asian tourists that could not care less about a silly 60-90,000 baht quarantine.
Graham *********
@Felix **********
...the whole visa system needs sorting out...its so stupid....30 days free then every 30 days 2000 bhat ...so simple...
Don ******
@Graham ********
who really knows though?
Graham *********
@Don *****
..big money at stake...
Don ******
@Graham ********
agree, they could’ve just allowed people to come in and pay for whatever visa extension “fits” the situation. Some immigration offices have done that already. That way everybody wins.
Graham *********
@Don *****
.can only hope
James *******
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Alan *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
sorry folks, I know no more than that - If I hear anything I'll add it. Maybe
@Tod ********
or
@Garrett **********
might hear sth
Jeremy *********
Good becuse alot of Australians cannot get a plane . Because Australian government has betrayed Australian citizen by putting a cap on how many people can come back on a plane.
Todd *********
@Jer***
now know how quickly our nations can dump us
Chester ********
So last week aussie stated they would not issue letters however i believe they are anyway.

Also forcing you (as a citizen) to cover your own quarantine was deemed illegal by i believe a qld court so no doubt you will be threatened to have to pay but ultimately won't have too.

NZ are issuing letters and have been a long time. Now they have closed all flights incl repatriation for 3 weeks so no going "home" anyway
David **********
@Jeremy ********
imagine how expensive the flights will be if they can't bring passengers into Thailand and can only take 50 per flight back to Australia....... I saw one the price was 340,000 baht.......
Rob ******
@Jeremy ********
Yes its an attempt to appeal to all those people voting in Australia and seeing covid numbers still coming in , while they have been so good .
Rob ******
@Jeremy ********
Not just a cap per plane , but a cap per city . Plus

costs of the enforced stay

Is 3000 AUD first person , 1000 second and 500 per child for the quarantine period after arrival in Oz .
Dave ***********
@Jeremy ********
is the Australian embassy issuing visa extension letters that you can take to immigration to request an emergency extension?
Keryn ******
@Dave **********
yes I came out today that Australia will email you an extension. Will take 2 days to get it emailed.
Peter ************
If you go to their Facebook site and watch the latest video you will see the ambassador announcement about issuing letters again but only by email
Padma's ******
@Dave **********
yes they are. I got an email from them today. So email them requesting one.
Mark *******
@Dave **********
yes the Australian Embassy are doing it because of the flight cap into Australian cities. Emailed them today and just got the letter on same day....great work by the Australian Embassy team.
Jeremy *********
@Dave **********
sorry mate I don't know. But they should because of the of the 50 people limit per plane . Please let me know how you get on. I would ring the embassy an email them as well. Good luck
Dave ***********
@Jeremy ********
I'm actually Canadian and haven't gotten any replies from my embassy yet. Was just curious what the Australian embassy has been telling people these days.

I suspect I may not get a reply until the announcement is made and the situation going forward is more clear.
Todd *********
@Dave **********
i received a pro forma rejection letter from Canada embassy this week. Will see what the announcement brings and proceed from there. Essentially, we just have to figure out the way forward from Oct 1 forward :) Great time to be here though
Freddie **********
@Dave **********
please let me know how you go. I'm Canadian too..
Jeremy *********
@Dave **********
try ring them .

E mail them .

Maybe go see them . Good luck.
Ben ****
It says you will get the time to get your extension until September. What if according to the rules you are not eligible for extension and it is denied?
Todd *********
@Ben ********
exactly what circumstance would that possibly be that you are not eligible?
Ben ****
@Todd ********
not me personally.

There are many people from Argentina on 90 days visa exempt, who couldn't get an extension before the amnesty was declared. Would they get an extension now or would they still not qualify? And what if not?

Anyway, soon the extension requirements will be known.
Todd *********
@B**
similar situation. Essentially, they will have until 26 sept to sort out next visa. Long grace period
Burnard ************
Yeah, I was wondering that too. So you show up on April 1 and they say you cannot get an extention because you have been in Thailand to long with the Amnesty . And they will fine you 500 Baht a day until you can get a flight out. Which will probably still be cancelled if you can find one at all.

Or they will just arrest you.
Graham *********
@Ben ********
..taxi..lol
Dave ***********
@Ben ********
if you gotta go, you gotta go.

If you can get a letter from your embassy, you may be able to get an emergency extension that way.

That was the situation before the huge crowds showed up to immigration offices and they decided to issue a free amnesty period instead.
Todd *********
🍾🍾🍾🍾🥂🥂🥂🥂😂😂😂
Don ******
@Todd ********
wait until Tuesday, Tod. Okay, fuck it, let’s party!!
Todd *********
@Don *****
hahaha. I will generally hold it down until announcement! But May celebrate a bit anyway lol. Cheers
Don ******
@Todd ********
what the hell, it’s Friday night. I say go for it!
Todd *********
@D**
thats more than enough reason for me! Enjoy
Zabel ******************
All sound good but it does say they consider so will still need the approval.
Oliver ********
@Zabel *****************
håber det blir i orden jeg har os et brev fra ambassaden
Zabel ******************
@Oliver *******
Det plejer at blive godkendt i de fleste tilfælde.

Det er nok også til det bedste for både Thailand og selvfølgelig de udlændinge der kunne have brug for det en Win win situation.

Men Der er mange der har smidt penge i kassen til visa agenter der har haft gylden dage 😉 op st folk frygtede det værste
Oliver ********
@Zabel *****************
frygter det da os men jeg håber de kommer til fornuft for det kun godt for Thailand os
Marko ************
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Mike ********
Agreed. It needs to be in the Gazette to be law, and this doesn’t even remotely approach the “How” on anything.

Good to know somethings coming, just...wait for more details.
Dave ***********
Nothing "confirmed" until the cabinet meets on tuesday, gets approval from covid board and then publishes the final decision in the Gazette.
Joe *******
Good news hope this Helps a few people I know who are stuck .
Freddie **********
@Dave **********
due to publish at 10pm on July 30th...😆
Todd *********
@Freddie *********
no issues with that at all. One thing that is clear is that they realize there would not be time to get people out. Whenever a clear decision is made by government, there will be at least 30 days warning. Just relaxing poolside or the beach in the meantime.
Freddie **********
No issues for you, depends on what your plans are.. but tho this is good news, the suspense is killing many of us..clearly.
Gewarin ************
@Dave **********
Hi can I ask, when will they be published out?
Dave ***********
@Gewarin ***********
No way to know for sure. The cabinet meets on tuesday and in the past they have made an announcement of their decision later in the day and then it was published to the gazette on the Wednesday.
Graham *********
Yep, it literally says "the grace period will be proposed to cabinet for approval". Good news all the same.
Dave ***********
@Graham ********
other reports and statements from the ministry of foreign affairs spokesman, who has been a much more reliable source of information than immigration, have indicated that it will in fact be an extension of amnesty and will be until Sept 30th.

So we shall see.
Graham *********
@Dave **********
the MFA spokesman did not say Sept 30, as far as I can tell. 🙂
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