What are the best visa options for a parent of a Thai child who works outside Thailand?

Sep 18, 2024
3 months ago
Steven ******
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Hi All!

I have a child and girlfriend living in Thailand and I'm currently looking at suitable visa types. My job makes things a little trickier as I work outside of Thailand for 28 days and then I will spend 28 days in Thailand away from work, this rotation will carry on indefinitely so multiple entries is a must. I sent an email to the Thai E Visa website and they responded saying a DTV would be the most suitable option. However, when I look at applying for a DTV on the E Visa website the only choice I seem to have is that of a spouse of a DTV holder and not that of a parent of a Thai dependent as the lady stated in her reply. I've tried emailing a few times again but just get the same reply stating the DTV. Has anyone here been granted a DTV as the parent or guardian of a Thai dependent and if so how did you go about it?
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The original poster is seeking advice on visa options as a parent of a Thai child, given their work rotation schedule of spending 28 days abroad and 28 days in Thailand. They received a recommendation for a DTV visa but encountered issues with the application process, leading to confusion about eligibility as a parent rather than a spouse. Community members discussed various alternatives, highlighting the challenges of obtaining long-term visas for parents of Thai children born out of wedlock. Suggestions included applying for a Non-O visa at a Thai consulate in Ho Chi Minh City, which allows for more flexible, long-term entry into Thailand, as well as sharing personal experiences with visa renewals based on parental support.
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Neil *********
Same rota as yourself. Been getting visa on entry for over 20 years now.
Steven ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Neil ********
thanks for the comment, this is the second time I've heard this today and will probably end up the way I go about it. Do you ever get pulled to one side and asked about it by immigration staff? If so has it increased since they changed it from 30 to 60 days, a few people have said that they have become a bit stricter.
Neil *********
@Steven *****
Not had any issues. Some immigration say, see you next time.
Chris ********
Interesting as I’m on a
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roster so that equates to 17 entries a year…. I have been living in Thai on a visa exempt status for over 30 years…I do have Thai kids and am on the birth certificate.. my youngest is 32 years old . During these decades I have been asked exactly 2x why I come so often. The last time was about 3 years before Covid and it involved a short conversation with a higher ranking immigration officer who was summoned but the “booth guy” the conversation was friendly and started with asking if I can speak Thai . The whole conversation from that point on was in Thai…. 3 questions in was do I have kids in Thai and I answered yes… no documents or proof was required but from that point the whole conversation changed to positive…. He asked why no visa and said nothing fits, he understood and shook his head… he nodded at the booth guy and gave him my passport and since that time I’ve even had smiles and quite often a welcome back comment….. in short I wouldn’t worry about a visa and if asked just be 100% honest about work kids etc and should be fine …. A side note too if you are on a Thai borne birth certificate you can open bank accounts etc without the usual rubbish that many go thru (kbank rules)
Steven ******
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@Chris *******
that's good to know cheers. I always kinda wanted to have the correct visa and avoid trouble but if being on the birth certificate will afford me an easier time doing with some stuff maybe I'll just continue to use the visa exempt as well and maybe spend my time trying to get my son a British passport so I can bring him to the UK a little easier. Thanks for the help!
Chris ********
@Steven *****
yes there is a lot of mis information on Facebook with many not understanding the nature of our work schedules etc as with anything Thai it’s always subject to change and some places are known trouble spots ( I’m looking at don muang ) so it pays to keep current with latest trends on places like these forums
Tod *********
@Chris *******
I think you will find that now that the entry is 60 days they are a LOT more critical on people bouncing out and back what ever the reason, AND at some point you're not gonna get away with the "I have a thai child but don't have a visa because of it"

I'm glad you've done it as long as you have, but things ain't like that since July 15th when they went from 30 to 60 days

That visa I outlined to
@Steven *****
IS the visa you should be on, it's easy to get, it's a year visa, and you won't ever get questioned entering on it
Chris ********
@Tod ********
I haven’t “gotten away” with anything as I don’t break any laws or rules…. I have qualified the parent of a Thai with a colonel at immigration , he was the one that told me after the questions (he is a personal friend of a mate of mine) and kbank is kbank ??? I can assure you the bank account is real and was opened last year when I got the allies with a competitors attitudes
Willem ****
For almost the same reason my friend got a Elite visa 2 years ago.
Tod *********
@Steven *****
you really have limited options given your extensive travel

I'd say it comes down to DTV if you can find a way to qualify for either the workcation or the soft power category

OR

do what I said and go to HCMC to get that year long, multi-entry Non-O visa, that'll get you in and out all you want for the year the visa is valid for

You are correct, they answered you wrong because that spouse category is for foreign spouses to get piggy back DTV when they're married to the primary holder, not anything to do with having thai wife/child 😕
Todd ********
if you financially support your child, then there is a visa for that. similar qualifications as marriage visa.
Tod *********
@Todd *******
the ONLY one they can get is the one I outlined because all the rest of the consulates will only issue 90 day single entry now (especially the eVisa consulates)
Tony **********
I do the same roster went with DTV apply as remote worker left the family part out except as my address gives 5 years without having to insurance (use travel insurance) and money in home bank earning something
Tod *********
The best "visa fit" for you would be to come here free stamp entry, then GO to the thai consulate in HCMC and apply for a year long, multi-entry Non-O visa based on being the father of a thai child.

As a foreign father have ZERO legal parental rights granted when a child is born out of wedlock, just being on the birth certificate doesn't give you any rights to use the child as a reason to get a visa/extension INSIDE the country

BUT

At THAT consulate (HCMC) you do no need proof of parental rights, you need the birth certificate, the thai mothers i/d, house book listing and at least 20K baht in a thai bank in your name or the equivalent in your country. The visa is 200USD, you apply pay and get the visa 2 days later.

That visa is valid for a year from the date they issue it, it's good for UNLIMITED entry for that time and each entry is good for 90 days.

It is the perfect fit for you working rotation like that

Right now HCMC is the ONLY thai consulate in the area that will issue that year-long, multi-entry Non-O for that reason, every other consulate in the world will just sell you a single entry 90 day one <- which will not work for you at all
Adrian *******
can I just say I appreciate how Tod Daniels is consistently so helpful to people in challenging life circumstances by providing relevant and accurate information that is hard to come by in any other way
Steven ******
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@Tod ********
thanks for the info. It's been a bit of a hard couple of years with COVID, her being pregnant, not working, me changing jobs to a job that didn't pay for travel and then the cost of all the baby stuff after he was born, so now since I've started a new job that is paying for my flights it may be time to take them on a little trip and go for the non O.
Tod *********
@Steven *****
Tell you what I'd just make a plan and go solo on the flight to get the visa, you can always take them on a holiday any time after you get your visa sorted.

Just go get the visa, and do it BEFORE those consulates go to eVisa online system (sometime in Oct) because then they won't be able to sell it
Dave ********
Pretty sure visa exempt is unlimited now so you can come and go on those indefinitely.
Eric **********
I was in Vientiane applying for a METV at the Thai embassy and the staff outright said. You don't need it. Unlimited entries as of now. I mean it could change quickly but.....
Bart **************
@Eric *********
unlimited entries by land, relevant for you if you live in Laos as per your story. But unlimited stay is something else. Entries by air were already unlimited.

Doing
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of your time in country with many entries could work for a long time because you spend substantial time away before coming again. But on a bad day you could run into a slightly stricter IO, and get refused.
Tod *********
@Dave *******
they will get pulled aside sooner rather than later and asked WTF they're doing "living here" on free stamp entries. They really REALLY tightened up since they went from 30 day free entry to 60 day free entry for those 90+ countries
Lloyd ********
To be honest the DTV is in no way shape or form designed for you in your situation. That said, there is no multi-entry visa designed for you either. Your child looks pretty newborn, so guessing that you have not been to family court to gain parental rights? Therefore legally in Thailand you have no parental rights, so any year long extension is out of the picture too, (because you and the mother were not married). You could pop over to Laos and get a single entry Non-O based on having a Thai child, and then extend that by 60 days, but how that would work with your rotations would take some planning. Or just keep coming visa exempt until you get pulled to one side. Unless you are over 50 and then you could apply for a retirement visa and subsequent extensions.
Tony **********
@Lloyd *******
except the DTV its 180 days off the bat so stay a month and go or stay half a year and go that's it 1 way to apply is as a remote worker ie fly in fly out work.
Steven ******
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@Lloyd *******
he is approaching 8 months now. The mother and I are actually still together and have been for 6 years
Lloyd ********
@Steven *****
Great, but does not change your lack of parental rights :-)
Jacob *******
I would sign up for muay thai and get a DTV. I don't understand people saying it's not for you. You are going to come and go for five years and each time you come to Thailand you will be on vacation. The parent of a child visa is a huge amount of work. Take a chance with DTV first.
Lloyd ********
@Jacob ******
How will he attend classes when 50% of the time he is not here?
Jacob *******
Take a month off. The Visa is 5 years and multientry, you can't stay more than 180 days. It's required that you not be in Thailand continuously by it's nature.
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