What are my options for extending my stay in Thailand after entering on a Non-immigrant O visa based on marriage?

Sep 12, 2020
4 years ago
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
Dear group members,

My (Thai) wife and I are starting the process of migrating from Belgium to Thailand (I know, crazy to do that at this time, right? 😀). We've already postponed this for several months due to you-know-what, but we feel we are losing precious time and would like to avoid waiting longer if at all possible. The goal is to move there permanently.

I am able to fulfill all the requirements for a Non-immigrant O-A (retirement) visa, but the embassy here told me they are not issuing these at the moment until further notice. Of course no-one can tell what "further notice" means.

All I can get right now is a Non-immigrant O (based on marriage). We're willing and able to go through the whole hassle of getting a CoE, a seat on a repatriation flight, testing, ASQ, etc., etc. Not a problem.

My BIG question however is: since 90-day border bounces are no longer possible, and nobody knows if and when they will return, and assuming that borders will not open anytime soon, do I have options after 90 days to extend my stay?

By the time we will be getting there, the whole amnesty thing will be over of course. I read here and in other groups that there seems to be a possibility to go to Thailand on a marriage visa, and then, before the first 90 days are up, ask for a 1 year extension of the marriage visa provided you fulfill some financial requirements. I've seen many of these posts but it's sometimes hard to follow the context and details.

I'm not so much worried about any requirements, may main worry is: is there a reasonably sure way I can stay (significantly) longer than 90 days?

Because if there is no way that gives me at least some degree of certainty, I do not want to go through the hassle (and significant cost) of getting a CoE, quarantine, etc., only to have to leave 90 days later and having to go through it all again. I'm looking for a longer term option (if that exists), and I will see what happens once this situation improves. Yes, I know that could be a long time...

I understand fully there are no guarantees here, but anyone who can help me get a better understanding of what should at least theoretically be possible would get my eternal thanks.

Please: I'm not interested in answers like "you should wait". I'm getting older by the minute. I want to understand if there are options and what they are.

Many thanks in advance.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The user is seeking guidance on options to extend their stay in Thailand beyond the initial 90 days after arriving on a Non-immigrant O visa based on marriage. They are concerned about the implications of the ongoing pandemic on immigration policies and want to avoid having to leave the country frequently. Several commenters suggest that they can apply for a 1-year extension of the marriage visa after meeting certain financial requirements, specifically maintaining a minimum deposit in a Thai bank account. Additional discussions clarify the differences between marriage and retirement visas, including financial and documentation requirements, and the ability to work under a marriage visa.
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Noel *********
I heard that thai elite is also stop till next notice. ( not c9nfirmed)
Patrick ********
@Noel ********
really ? they stopped it ?

Last I saw they were discounting or adding more time to the visa depending on the way that one looks at it.
Noel *********
@Patrick *******
I heard, not confirmed
Noel *********
Patrick, one more option is to start a business in Thailand and you can stay there easily, I am also doing the same thing, I applied for thai business and waiting to get an approval
Patrick ********
@Noel ********
That’s fantastic! Congratulations on starting a new business.

This would be a great topic to share you experience about.
Patrick ************
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@Noel ********
I’ve just retired a few months ago, so to be honest: getting back to work is not very high on my priority list 😀
Patrick ********
@Patrick ***********
Understandable.
Patrick ********
or when I saw Patrick on the post I thought it was for me 🤣

Good Luck
John ********
In the same boat can not get marriage visa through embassy
John ********
They asked for my flight detail return and hotel staying at wife house. Can apply for marriage visa when I am in Thailand difficult to get insurance and covid test
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@John *******
they can’t ask you for flight details because you can’t book a flight because there are no regular commercial flights. There are only repatriation flights, and your embassy has to book you on them. In my case (I’m in Belgium) these flights depart from either Amsterdam, Frankfurt or Vienna.

Sounds to me like your embassy doesn’t know what they’re talking about...
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@John *******
the embassy here will give me a marriage visa. They will NOT give me a retirement visa as those are not issued right now “until further notice”.

If you’re married to a Thai you should be able to get a marriage visa (aka Non-immigrant O based on marriage) if you can fulfil all the other requirements ...
Patrick ********
What about just paying for Thai Elite?

Rational being spending some cash to make most of these headache disappear 🤷‍♂️

Thoughts?
Patrick ********
it’s fair to say that we all have heard various kinds of stories around the camp fire over the years of issues around businesses and housing. I believe it’s best to make a combination of trips around the region if one wishes to settle there is always the service apartment kind of option for a bit then move around and explore various countries. I personally like to go Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, Myanmar or Japan when the weather is right.
Kool *******
@Patrick *******
, after traveling frequently to the countries surrounding Thailand, and extensively to Laos, and Myanmar, it is always a great pleasure, and sometimes a relief, getting back to modern Thailand, compared to the other countries in this region.
Patrick ********
@Kool ******
for sure Indonesia is a great place Bali Island lots of fun. Japan is well worth it.

I went to Hong Kong and Macau a lot years ago haven’t been back to those parts with the changes.

Myanmar I really enjoy the food that in my opinion is really underrated.

How is Laos 🇱🇦 ?

It’s been on my list for years. I met some really nice Laotian people in Thailand.

Exploring Cambodia is also on my list.

There are so many places to visit actually the visa restrictions with some countries has encouraged me to explore and visit other places on the plus side.
Kool *******
@Patrick *******
, Laos is rustic. I have been to LuangPraBang 8 times, and from there over to Phonsavan and the Plain of Jars, 3000+ year old ancient history, 4 times. The drive through the mountains is memorable, and safe. I was at Vang Vien 3 years ago, and it is a nice place, but geared to a younger crowd. One thing about there I wasn't able to do, as the time of year was wrong, but during the right season, they have the cheapest hot air balloon rides I have seen anywhere. $80-$90. To give you a comparison, the hot air balloon rides at Bagan in Myanmar are US$350 for the same ride. Vang Vien has beautiful scenery, and lots of activity river related. Those are the main tourist areas. Vientiane is the capital across the river from NongKhai, and has a few attractions, but not the scenery, and activities of where I listed. Other than those places Laos is very rustic and rural. I have seen villages on the road through the mountains from LuangPraBang to Phonsavan go from no electricity to electricity, that gave villages the ability to get well water, instead of spring water flowing out of the mountainside. The result of these villages getting electricity raised their economy to an extremely noticable amount. Many want from thatched roofs to sheet metal roofing, and cement walls instead of woven bamboo. The change I saw that happened over a ten year period, was an amazing transformation. When they finally open the borders back up, there are many amazing things to see around, and in Thailand.
Kool *******
The one big difference between the marriage visa, and a retirement, or Elite visa, is that under the marriage visa/extension you can get a work permit if you want to, but under the retirement, or Elite visa/extensions, you are restricted from legally working. This can make a big difference if your wife decides to open some business. People have gotten in serious trouble from just helping the wife out, without having a work permit.
Darren *********
@Kool ******
it’s a big advantage. No loss if legal immigration status if your work permit expires 👍🏻
Bobby ********
@Kool ******
. A lot of people do not realise the problems with such a small task. A friend of mine who's wife had a bar in Phuket once told me he was warned by the local police that he had been seen stocking the fridge behind the bar. It had been a one-off as he had no interest in working the bar, but his wife had sprained her wrist (or something) so he helped out on the one occasion and had been seen and reported (probably by a rival bar owner). But apparently, as he told me, it was a job a Thai could have done. I didn't believe him at first, but I have read of similar incidents since then.
Kool *******
@Bobby *******
, one thing you lightly touched on, but in most of Thailand is very relevant. The police don't actually do anything, for the most part, unless a formal complaint is filed with the police. Lots of people do not realize this. There are exceptions, as there are with everything in life, but for the most part the police do not act on their own.
Patrick ********
@Kool ******
I was heard the actual evidence to be presented is actually quite high. Photographs on multiple occasions and paper trail kind of evidence. Passport checks and warnings are just something the authorities do when there is a complaint.

If it’s a one off like helping the wife with stocking the fridge with beer because of a injury and most likely the staff didn’t show up that day is one thing but working like a proper job is a different situation all together that’s why I heard the evidence to prove the work has to be obvious like the guy working the bbq grilling chicken in the open on multiple occasions. 🤷‍♂️
Ivan ************
If your aim is to get back to Thailand right now, you have a better chance of doing that on a marriage visa than Elite. Marriage visas were one of the first groups allowed back and many have repatriated already.

Elite has been added to the repatriation list but no-one has actually got back yet and there is a lot of talk of quotas and substantial delays. Elite are quoting 2 months to get the visa right now, and after that 2 months you get to START in the queue.

There is also possibly, further restrictions on the Elite queue in terms of numbers that it seems do not apply to marriage people. This is unclear at the moment, but Elite have talked of an Elite-specific quota, and there seem to be delays with this at moment even with people who already have the visa.

Elite have also stated explicitly that any NEW holders of Elite go in the queue AFTER existing holders- so that's a further delay if you are new to it.

Marriage visa you can get immediately and get right into the queue, right now.
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Patrick *******
I’ve looked into that, but the cost/benefit ratio is a bit too low imho. Anyway, it’s still always an option if all else fails...
Patrick ********
@Patrick ***********
I did suggest in my response that the maths over the long term just might be a bit more.

Considering the hassles that I have seen with many posts over the years regarding this exact issue is that’s it’s worth it for the Thai Elite. Also gives independence ?

Maths almost the same over the long term with the moneys on travel’s to embassy’s abroad, all the cost associated with traveler, the amount of time on paperwork, interviews, lots of people asking all kinds of too personal questions annually.

All that just seems to disappear with Thai Elite.

Again this is just the trend in many conversations about these topics over the years that I have noticed 🤔
Ivan ************
@Pat****
all this crap with border runs, travel to embassies abroad, etc. is with people who don't have the money to just stick 800k in the bank to qualify for a a retirement extension (or 400k for marriage). That's why they have to jump through these hoops. If you have the bank deposit (or income proof) a yearly extension is 1,900B and no problem.

Now where Elite IS relevant is if you are under-50 and unmarried. Then you don't have those options. And it makes a lot more sense then. But I don't see the logic if you actually qualify for a retirement or marriage extension. If you can afford Elite, you can afford the bank deposit, and then extending is no problem.
Patrick ********
@Ivan ***********
agreed when put into that perspective.

If given the choice retirement is the best over a marriage visa ?
Ivan ************
@Pat****
in normal times either is fine if you can meet the requirements.

Retirement has larger financial requirements (800k in the bank or 65k income). Marriage only requires 400k/40k. Marriage requires a bit more paperwork, photos, proof you are living together, visit from immigration to check that. So some people do just do retirement over that to avoid that extra stuff. Others consider it NBD. Marriage allows you to work, retirement does not (usually, in most provinces). Retirement you need to prove your money comes from abroad, marriage it can be from inside Thailand.

Right now though, if you are outside the country marriage allows you to come back and retirement does not. So the former is better.
Patrick ********
@Ivan ***********
marriage visa come with a work visa now ?

I remember a story about a foreigner helping his wife with a bbq chicken business but the husband go in trouble for working a job that a local can do ? There was some kind of issue on that kind of husband and wife business 🤷‍♂️
Ivan ************
@Pat****
it doesn't come with a work permit but it's a visa class that is eligible for a work permit. You'd still have to apply for the work permit. While it has in some cases been possible in the past, most if not now all labour offices will not issue a work permit on a retirement visa/extension, and the visa will typically explicitly say "Employment prohibited" in the remarks.
Ivan ************
The visa is just to enter the country. Once in the country you can extend. You should be able to choose either a marriage or retirement extension at that point. Marriage extension has lower financial requirements (400k deposit or 40k income) but a few more hoops in terms of the documentation. If you did have issues with that, you should be able to do a retirement extension (800k deposit or 65k income). It shouldn't matter the reason for the visa you had entering, you can do a retirement extension off a non O as well as a non O-A. And if off a non O there isn't the insurance requirement.

Non O-A are not being issued and won't get you back into the country now anyway, so not an issue. But you would arguably be better off on the O anyway due to lack of Thai insurance requirement (insurance obviously still advisable, but you can use any international insurance rather than a specific list of Thai companies) and, if doing a marriage extension, lower financial requirements.
Todd *********
Agree also that level of theoretical risk one is exposed to agent acquired visa, is present. Although not dissimilar to investing in equities vs fixed income. The ‘risk’ exists, but odds are steeply stacked in your favour that no issue arises with that visa. Insurance companies prey on the same levels of theoretical risk. If something were to go astronomically wrong and the visa became a problem, that is life’s way of telling us to leave the country and find a new one!
Todd *********
The going rate for conversion of amnesty standing to 3

Month O-A to retirement extension seems to be 18k baht for the 3 month non-immigrant O visa (I may have mis-named this as O-A adding to confusion - my apologies) and then 14k baht for 1 year retirement visa
Ivan ************
@To**
I don't think you'll get a 1 year extension for 14k through an agent _without_ meeting the requirements. That sounds closer to the sort of fee you pay an agent when you do meet the requirements.

There's two different types of agent service, (and indeed, many agents provide both services) the kind that just "help" with the process and the queuing and the paperwork when you do fundamentally still meet the requirements, and the type that flat out let you skip the requirements. The latter cost more.

The 18k THB conversion is a semi-legitimate thing, in that immigration offices are charging for the conversions. I think it's around 11k if you do it directly, so the rest would be the agent margin. I wouldn't be too worried about that, as the conversion should be legitimate if you meet the requirements. No insurance is usually needed to convert to non-O in country, so they aren't skipping anything there.

An extension without the money in the bank though is 100% illegitimate. And I don't think you'd get that for 14k, you need to pay more for 100% illegitimate.
Todd *********
@Iv**
it can be an overwhelmingly burdensome process. The more I see the requirements (insurance, financial, paperwork etc) the more appeal a 32k baht O-A 3 months plus 12 month retirement extension has! Simple and the interest in 800k in the bank elsewhere can easily provide money to fund the visa and extensions
Bobby ********
@Todd ********
. The insurance will cost you a lot less than the yada yada! I pay 7700 per annum, which is 150 baht a week. That's nothing for the peace of mind. The insurance is pretty useless so I tell myself it's a visa fee.
Ivan ************
Also, consider that you actually do get interest on the 800k in the bank in Thailand as well. Not very much in the current interest rate environment, but you won't get very much interest from a US, European or Canadian bank either.
Todd *********
@Iv**
correct about the interest. Just have to know where to place it. Low interest absolutely abounds globally and there a few countries with high savings or bond rates rates now.

But plenty of large cap dividend payers with over 5% annual dividends
Ivan ************
@To**
a "large cap dividend payer" is not a risk-free rate of return like a bank account. Sure you can get 5% in dividends. There's no guarantee that the stock price (your capital) won't go down by more though.

I think investing in equities makes sense, I presume most Westerners looking at retirement have a substantial portion of their retirement funds in equities. But these are not risk free investments and it doesn't make sense to compare them to bank account interest rates.

Most sensible people, particularly in retirement, would be advised not to have 100% of their portfolio in equities. They probably have some percentage in fixed income and some relatively small percentage as a cash emergency fund.

800k is only around $25k. And you only have to keep 400k of that in year round, which is only $12.5k. These are not huge sums to have as an "emergency fund" in cash in a low-interest, but secure bank account.
Todd *********
@Iv**
good info and assessment of the potential difference in agents. Thx!! That price is the current Thai Visa Centre price for the 2 visas.
Todd *********
@Ivan ***********
of course! There are very few guarantees in life. But I would most certainly never have retired 20 years early if I had invested in guaranteed income products.

Otherwise, yes - good assessment of investing exposure as it needs to be managed differently in the pre-retirement accumulation phase and post-retirement dispersement phase. And we each have risk tolerances as well.

I’m gonna keep my money from exposure to baht (although I believe it’s future is very bright) as I only need cash flow to manage my lifestyle here, and keep that money invested elsewhere. Also would take about a 1.5% (or worse) hit on the currency conversion even with TransferWise, XE or similar.

Totally understand your point with visa, I just prefer to spend my time enjoying the retirement rather than chasing my tail after myriad rules and regulations that are not adhered to nationwide
Ivan ************
@To**
currency conversion cost on 800k is around 0.35-0.45% on USD, through Bangkok Bank. This is including the fees (which are fixed and not much relatively on such an amount), excluding the fees Bangkok Bank's forex rate on USD is typically around 0.25-0.35% off midmarket. CAD maybe a bit more but even TW on CAD is 0.8%. It's a hit, but you actually pay less on that if you transfer 800k in one go than if you drip it across monthly.

I am totally not suggesting anyone needs to stick most of their net worth in fixed income. But $12.5k just really isn't that much, the idea of holding that amount in cash as a buffer, it's (hopefully) a pretty small % of one's total retirement nest egg. It also makes sense, if you are actually living somewhere, to have some of your funds denominated in that currency, having this in THB actually protects you from exchange rate risk, if this is where you are living.

And you actually need some money here anyway.

I also think you have to put some monetary value on the fact that an 800k in the bank extension is legit, while a 32k no money in the bank extension is not. It's not just the question of whether you can make the 32k on the 800. I would have more peace of mind with a legit extension than a dodgy one that I am not 100% sure what will happen next year. These types of extension can be fine... until they are not.
Todd *********
@Ivan ***********
so essentially USD conversion 0.6-0.8% all in? If so, that is exceptionally inexpensive means of routing cash to a destination electonically
Ivan ************
@To**
it's cheaper than that. It's under 0.5% all in for that sort of amount. Bangkok Bank is typically 0.25-0.35% off midmarket for USD. It's more for most other currencies- it's particularly good for USD. This is the TT rate which is better than the cash rate. Then you have to add the receiving international transfer fee which is 0.25% BUT this is capped at 500B. So it's 500B flat for any larger amount. Plus whatever your US bank charges. This can be as little as zero from a brokerage, Fidelity and IB I think both do 1 free international transfer per month. And even if you can't that free, it's only $4.20 to get TransferWise to do a USD SWIFT transfer without converting it.
Ivan ************
@To**
not sure what you are talking about here. O-A is the only visa class with insurance requirements. Neither a marriage nor a retirement extension off an O has any insurance requirement.

What's a "32k baht yada yada"? This is a fake extension acquired through an agent where you don't have the money?

Up to you if you want to go that route but it's not just the 32k, it's also that your extension then is entirely illegitimate. That may be absolutely fine, or it could come back to bite you in the ass. Personally, I would just stick the 800k in the bank over that. This is presuming you have the money, I understand why people do it if they don't have the money and I'm not going to criticise that. But if you have the money, it's not difficult to get a 100% legit extension.
Todd *********
It’s 100% legitimate as you well know.

And does not require transferring money to Thailand, nor keeping it in a bank here at low/no interest when it can easily be producing 5% elsewhere. ‘Fake extension’... 😂. And why would anyone but u fool tie up 800k baht unnecessarily?

How do you think it might ‘come back to bite you in the ass’... and it’s precise opposite reason, we do have the money, just don’t like the headaches, lineups or taking away my 40k baht + in interest. Pretty simple math. And no fetching paperwork or running to the bank
Ivan ************
@To**
what are talking about here exactly with the 32k then? What is 32k that is 100% legitimate?

The only thing that I can think about around that price is dodgy agent extensions where they get you a one year extension without your actually having the money in the bank.

A legit O-A visa is 5k, not 32k. But it requires insurance, and you can't get one at the moment anyway.
Todd *********
@Iv**
I’m absolutely referring to using an agent. Makes sense over the endless compliance requirements being discussed ad Infinitum here. It’s very hazy rules at best and it appears that different immigration offices apply rules of their choosing that differ even from national policy. Anyone would be frustrated and that is borne out in the discussions here
Tony *********
@Ivan ***********
- brilliant reply well explained 👍🏼...Ivan can you confirm because I was told by Thai Immigration that with the Non O extension you DO NOT have to keep leaving the country every 90 days but must file your 90 day report...this is my understanding direct from Nakhon Ratchasima Immigration Bureau
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Ivan ***********
thanks Ivan!
Tony *********
@Patrick ***********
- he knows his stuff ignore all the expensive Elite visa nonsense 👍🏼
เอ็ดเวิร์ด *******
Were you told specifically by immigration that once you are in Tyland on the marriage visa, you cannot change to a retirement visa?
Tony *********
Yes totally agree...there is also the problem of people on these sort of groups some with excellent knowledge and some with not the full package (hence why I suggested your wife call them)...it also seems different Immigration Bureaus interpret the legislation in various ways another good reason for checking with your local office. I was completely mis-advised concerning my last visa Non-Immigrant O multi by Thai Embassy in London, I was told that the one year only started from my date of entry and this is not the case, if I hadn't been mis-advised I would have applied for that visa much later than I did, it actually resulted in the visa expiring April just gone but luckily I got out of problems with the amnesty...as I am sure you have seen I raised a question about having to leave every 3 months on the extension because when I said this at Nakhon Ratchasima Immigration Bureau the lady officer just laughed at me and said that it's not necessary...I would still like some one to confirm that though that's been living in Thailand for years lol 🤣....good luck with getting your visa and entry 👍🏼
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Edward *******
they said that a) no retirement visas are being issued for now (which is not illogical if you look at the different types of people that they allow to come in right now) and b) for getting a retirement visa, you have to request it in your *own* country, can’t do it while being in Thailand.
เอ็ดเวิร์ด *******
@Patrick ***********
I had a reputable Visa agent advised me when I was there a year ago that it could be done in country. I’m just reporting what I was told
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Edward *******
I’ve heard conflicting stories about this. Some say it can be done, some say it can’t, and the wording on the Thai immigration websites is frustratingly vague. One thing I do know is that embassies are not good sources for reliable visa information (at least the Belgian one doesn’t seem to be...)
Tony *********
@Patrick ***********
- it can be done I was advised by Thai Immigration they almost try to persuade you but if you do you have to have health insurance don't do it! Just renew Non Immigrant O each year. I understand that with the extension you don't have to keep leaving Thailand but have to do the 90 day reporting
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tony ********
I don’t mind about the 90 day reporting. (I believe you can do it online, right?). What worries me the most about the marriage visa in COVID times is the fact you have to leave the country every 90 days, and with closed borders for the foreseeable future that’s not really a possibility. So I’ll probably go for marriage visa, and deposit the money required on a Thai bank account and get the 1 year extension as soon as I get out of quarantine...
Tony *********
@Patrick ***********
- I assume your wife is currently with you....it might be advisable to get her to call your local office and go through with them your intended plans...remember to shy away from any suggestion of the retirement visa Nakhon Ratchasima Immigration were almost trying to persuade me to do that but I told them I didn't want to because of the Health Insurance requirement...sometimes I think they don't think through what a problem it can create
Tony *********
@Patrick ***********
- agree this is the most sensible option and exactly what I will be doing. I understand that you can enter on a 3 month visa then get your extension but remember that the money has to be in the Thai bank account 2 months before you apply. Yes you can do reporting online but I understand that the first report has to be done at local immigration bureau and there is an application form you complete there so in future you can do online reporting...I believe this is on Thai Immigration Bureau website from memory
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tony ********
yes I’m aware about the money requirements, it’s not an issue. Your understanding about reporting is the same as mine. First time in person, then on line is what I heard too.
Tony *********
@Patrick ***********
- are you aware about the need to show the transfer as international? Its very important
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tony ********
yes, I am aware, but thanks anyway for pointing it out!

It’s crazy how many traps there are in this process...
Rob ********
Get a 1 year extension based on marriage in Thailand , then renew every year .
Kool *******
That is the first step in getting your one year extension based on marriage, as that extension can not be issued outside of Thailand, and there is a much longer list of document requirements besides the financial requirement Stephen listed, but, if you are legally married it is not that difficult. If you were married in Belgium there are a few added steps, but, as soon as you get out of quarantine, take your wife to immigration with you, and they have a printed list of what you will need to present, and a few things they've added that are not on the list. This process is nothing you can't complete in 90 days typically. But, remember, as soon as you get out of quarantine, and your wife will be quarantined at a different location for free, unless you want to pay for her quarantine at your location, go to immigration.
Alf ***********
You DO need to get the marriage registered in Thailand to get an extension based on marriage.

There is no "remarrying" involved. Just register your marriage at the amphur office
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Kool ******
when you say “if you’re married in Belgium there are a few added steps” I assume you’re referring to having our marriage registered in Thailand? Correct? Or is there something else?
Kool *******
@Patrick ***********
, no. I am referring the need to get your marriage license translated into Thai, then verified that the translation is correct. There is no need to get remarried in Thailand. Immigration accepts foreign marriage certificates as long as they are translated into Thai and with official verification.
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Kool ******
yes, when I said “registered“ I meant exactly what you said 😀
Kool *******
@Patrick ***********
, you do not have to get your marriage registered in Thailand. You simply have to get your Belgium marriage license translated into Thai, then there is an official office that certifies that the translation is correct, and gives you a letter stating that, in Thai. There is no requirement that you register your marriage in Thailand.
Andy ********
@Kool ******
you are correct.

PatrickVerbruggen you need to get the translation verified at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs. If you have any other documents that have your name in Thai on them take these along when you get your marriage certificate translated. This will insure that all your important documents match and there are no descrepancies. In my case there are 4 versions of the name Andrew in Thai script. The official version has changed in the 25 years since we got married. Whenever I have anything translated I make sure they use the version that is on my marriage certificate. Minor point but will save you hassle further down the line.
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Andy *******
Thanks Andy. Good info! 👍
Patrick ************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Kool ******
oh ok. I didn’t get that part, thanks for the clarification!

We will get our marriage registered anyway because we want to be legally married according to Thai law too, but good to know that it’s not required for the visa...
Kool *******
@Patrick ***********
, under Thai law you are legally married, or you would not have been offered the type O visa. If Thai law did not consider you legally married, then no visa. You can do it, but you legally do not have to.
Patrick ************
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@Kool ******
and Stephen Woods: I understand you can’t marry twice (thank god 😂) The idea is more to change my wife’s status to “married”, because since we were married here in Belgium, the administration in Thailand has no knowledge of the fact that she’s married. I believe there’s some administrative form to be filled (called “Cor. 20” or something) at the Amphoe or such.
Stephen *******
@Patrick ***********
Hmm. Not sure if you can get it "registered" as you are already married. A legal marriage anywhere is recognised everywhere. You can't marry twice.
Kool *******
@Stephen ******
, actually you can, and lots of people do it, but in reverse. Register married in Thailand, then another wedding, with a marriage certificate in their home country. Three of my friends have done just that.
Patrick ************
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@Kool ******
that’s what we’ll do. Thanks!
Bobby ********
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@Stephen ******
advice above. That's clear and concise and spot on
Nuzul ********
For marriage couple every 3 months you have to pay 1900baht. To permitt letter
Ivan ************
This isn't quite how it works. After the first 90 days, he'd apply for a 1 year extension, costing 1,900B. Then every year thereafter. No need to pay every 3 months. He'd have to do 90 day reporting every 3 months but everyone has to do that whatever their visa class and there is no charge for it.
Nuzul ********
If you come to thailand dont worry to ask in imigration office. They will explain everything
Stephen *******
Yes, go on an O based on marriage and then get 12 month extension if you deposit 400,000 baht in bank for 2 months prior to expiry of the O visa. No problem.
Andy ********
@Stephen ******
this is exactly the way to go. Although we'll meaning the other posts about Elite Visa, O-X, O-A and employing lawyers are not the way to go.
Tony *********
@Stephen ******
- this is exactly what I will be doing. Be careful not to let them persuade you to go for retirement visa later because you then need the health insurance to apply
Stephen *******
@Tony ********
This is not actually correct. If you convert from O based on marriage to O based on retirement there is no need for health insurance. Only conversion from O-A requires health insurance.
Tony *********
@Stephen ******
- thanks Stephen for that clarification that's good to hear...a question for you if I may...what are the differences between O based on marriage to O based on retirement? Any advantages or disadvantages? It's so confusing 🤔🙄
Stephen *******
@Tony ********
O based on retirement 800k in the bank or 65k per month income. Based on marriage 400k in the bank or 40k per month income plus photos together at the house, and other widely varying proof you are in a genuine relationship. Some people find the proof part quite tiresome.
Tony *********
@Stephen ******
- thanks for clarification Stephen I can't meet the retirement income criteria so I will stick with the marriage one...interesting that Immigration were trying to persuade me to do the retirement one thank god for knowledgeable people like yourself much appreciated 👍🏼👌🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Stephen *******
@Tony ********
Less work for them. Usually they need to visit you at home for your first one.
Tony *********
@Stephen ******
- arrh I see lol...figures...I look forward to their visit in due course should be interesting...we have been together since 2017 and now 3 visits to Thailand and she's made one to the UK so shouldn't be a problem will show them Facebook lol 😂👍🏼
Patrick ************
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@Stephen ******
that indeed seems to be the best and easiest way to do it.
Christopher *******
The complexity of following details from posts in a Facebook group prob should tell you to save this complicated highly detailed personal question for an immigration lawyer. Best of luck
Ruth *******
@Christopher ******
While I agree with you, in my experience with experts (not in Thailand), it’s still best to be armed with as much information as possible. Knowing what options might be available, and what questions possibly should be asked, may prevent his being sent in the wrong direction by a lawyer...if he even chose that direction. It also helps in evaluating the quality of a lawyer and whether they know their stuff.
Todd *********
the ease of actually executing it, definitely precludes the need for an 'immigration lawyer' whom will charge you excessively for very little value.
Christopher *******
@Todd ********
so easy that there’s 28 different personal opinions posted in response to every lovelorn retiree seeking to get back to Thailand
Todd *********
@Chris******
haha, yes - that's the reality of it. Each situation is unique. And there is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat. Off top of my head, i can see several different avenues he may wish to pursue. All of which would work fine in the end. And not throw much $ in the garbage during the process
Darren *********
If you do a Non O-A you will need to fulfil the requirements for health insurance, you also will need to leave and re-enter to get the additional second year. IF/when they are available get a 90 day Non O based on marriage and then extend in-country. You will need to have 400,000 baht in a Thai bank account PRIOR to application. Then only 90 day sign-in inside Thailand for the duration of your extension.
Ivan ************
I don't think anywhere is issuing non O-A at the moment, so it may not come up as an option.
Patrick ************
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@Ivan ***********
that is indeed what the embassy told me. No non O-A visas are being issued until further notice.
Brett *******
@Darren ********
he only has to leave and re-enter to get the “free” second year. He can always pay his 1,900 baht for the second year if necessary.
Dianne *****
@Brett ******
but no-one can leave and re-enter anytime in the near future. Those on OA that were due to leave and re-enter during the border shutdowns will have effectively lost their free second year and I guess will have had to do a regular 1900 baht extension with proof of funds during this period
Darren *********
@Dianne ****
exactly.
Brett *******
Darren *********
@Brett ******
true, me personally (and if the funds are available) I’d rather an extension based on marriage.
John *******
Rich ********
If you have 500k baht, Thai elite visa solves most of your problems
Bob ******
@Ivan ***********
i think it is pretty good value in the sense of its simplicity
Bob ******
That’s when you apply direct with the Thai embassy
Bob ******
@Ivan ***********
this is from Thai embassy Australia website when applying for a non O -X visa (5 year elite)
Ivan ************
@B**
non O-X is not Elite, it's a different visa class. It comes with a substantial bank deposit as you link but that money stays yours. The actual visa fee for the non O-X is only $400.

Elite, there is zero bank deposit requirement but the fee for the visa is 500k-2m ($16,000 - $64,000). This is a visa fee, and you never see it again, it's gone.

Non O-X is a retirement visa and they are not allowed back right now anyway, so it's not an option.
Bob ******
@Ivan ***********
ok I see now elite is probably a good option if you are under 50
Ivan ************
@B**
yes, if you are over 50 (or married) there are much cheaper options. If under 50 there aren't many other options for a long stay.
Thomas ********************
@Bob *****
And not rich enough to get married ;) Exactly!
Rich ********
@Thomas *******************
I am 48 and already in the country. Best option for me to stay
Thomas ********************
@Rich *******
47 and same same (not different) :)
Bob ******
@Michael *******
I understand that but only through an agent
Michael ********
@Bob *****
no all throught elite offices no agents. There is one office on silom/patpong
Ivan ************
@B**
no, you can get all these options direct from Elite which is a state-owned enterprise run by the Thai government. If you DO choose to use an agent, though, the agent's commission is paid by the Elite side, the price of the visa is the exact same agent or no agent.

If you qualify for marriage though I think this probably makes more sense. Yes there are a few documentation hoops to jump through but then it's only 1,900 a year. And marriage were let back before Elite were, and even now, I'd fancy his chances at getting back soon on a marriage visa better than on Elite, no one has actually got back on that yet and there is a question of quotas.
Bob ******
So in effect you pay them on average 100,000 baht per year for your visa (elite) with none of the legal requirements
Michael ********
@Bob *****
you can get a 20 years no thrill elite for 1 million.
Bob ******
@Rich *******
you sure there not an agency
Bob ******
@Rich *******
is that through an agency
Rich ********
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Rich ********
They have agents that want referral fee, but I didn't want to complicate it
Rich ********
@Bob *****
no. Direct.
Bob ******
@Rich *******
what about the 3,000,000 baht seasoned in a Thai bank for 1 year, there are a few more hoops than just 500k
Rich ********
@Bob *****
no. Just 500k that you pay to Thai elite for 5 year visa.
Stephen *******
@Rich *******
He's married! He can pay 1900 per year. FFS
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