Do we need to do TM30 everytime the foreigner stays somewhere ?
Case : a foreigner on Non-O retirement 90days stays at an Thai person's private home in BKK, the first TM30 has been done on the first day. When this foreigner travels back and forth to, other provinces, inside Thailand,
( I suppose each hotel does TM30 for thier client. )and come back to the same house, does the (in BKK) house owner needs to do a TM30 each time the foreigner is back ?
Thank you for sharing. Sorry if wording is confusing, hope it's understandable.
This foreigner plans to make 1 year extension in Bangkok.
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The requirement to submit a TM30 form when a foreigner returns to a previously registered address in Thailand varies depending on the local immigration office. Legally, a TM30 should be filed every time a foreigner changes accommodations or travels outside the country, but enforcement can differ significantly based on the location and immigration officers involved. According to a regulation from June 2020, if a TM30 has already been submitted for a registered address, there is no need for a new TM30 upon returning to that address from another location as long as the original report and registration remain valid. However, individual experiences indicate inconsistency in enforcement across different provinces.
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It's a good point. I purposely refuse to give my passport to resorts etc because of this. My UK driver's license or old passport normally comes in handy. If you've booked with Agoda or similar, surly they have your credit card details etc.
The Royal Thai Police has recently issued the new Regulation which provides some Expats’ relief on the requirement of TM30 reporting, as well as for property owners (i.e., house-master, owners or lessors of a residence) and hotel managers in Thailand. The new Regulation was published in the Government Gazette on 16 June 2020 and it has been effective from 30 June 2020 onwards.
According to the new Regulation, property owners and hotel managers are required to submit TM30 report only for the first time when the foreigner arrives at their premises. It is no longer required to repeatedly submit TM30 reports every time when a foreigner travels out of the country or temporary stays in other premises (i.e., no need to re-report upon returns to stay in the same premises within the check-in period, rental period, or within the period of their re-entry permit).
Prior to this new Regulation, when a foreigner left Thailand or temporarily stayed overnight in another place, a TM30 report needed to be re-submitted every time, within 24 hours as from the foreigner’s return from a trip back to stay in the same premises.
Ole Kristoffersen 100% true , but could you tell that to my imagination office, they want TM30 every time and fined me 1,100 baht for not doing tm30 within 24 hours , other immigration office's don't bother, but mine Dose , caught, paid fine , will Not get caught again !!
Ok after 12 years dancing to this song. It is not your responsibility to report where you are staying. That falls on where you stay, not you. My wife got fined 1600 baht for not reporting my return to our house when renewing my retirement Visa. However a different day will produce a different outcome.
Russell Sherwin and that's s wrong , a rule should be a rule , not half hearted rule cos then we don't know where we stand, and if can't get the TM30 what you supposed to do , it's hard to find someone to had over a copy of there ID card house book or write a letter for permission of stay in there house , especially when house owner may live abroad , cos they just rent out homes . And why would Thais hand out there ID card or copy to us foreigners . Nobody trust forienger anymore. Afraid to say it , but handing out ID card, can lead to ID fraud
I done tm30 at my brothers house when I first arrived and cos I left Thailand I got do tm30 again when I arrive within 24 hours , what I would like to know is if a billionaire lives overseas renting the property out to me , how does immigration expect me to get an ID and house book etc from a billionaire renting property out . This Tm30 Is a just a joke really, some rules apply , some dont, immigration may accept and immigration may not accept . Seems you just got to guess what to do , and that's if you can get it done , there must be many people who refuse to give iD, I can't see a billionaire who rents out property giving me a copy of his ID and letter to say I can live at his property, so I can take it to immigration , the billionaire will think I am just taking the piss . And as for online can you see the billionaire sitting there taking his time up doing something for an unknown person he don't know . Absolute joke TM30 .
TM30 is not a joke and most rules are pretty clear. Whats unclear is, if you just leave for like 2, 3 days. Some IO's do not require a new TM30 upon your return, other do. Whether its for billionaires nor for average folks.
Hǝınz Mɐzǝnɐnǝɹ , property rented out to foreigners, I love to see you ask the multi millionaire who rents out property to get the millionaires ID card for Tm30 . They won't give it due to worry of ID scams . , so then the forienger when not given cannot do Tm30
I don't bother with it. Last time I went to do it at Sisaket immi, they looked at each other as to say, is this farang for real? Na. They really don't care.
Marlon Grosse agree and they think it's taking the piss if we ask for there ID ( copy). To take to immigration to get TM30 stamped . and besides this can lead to ID scammers so why would they even want to hand over there thai ID to a forienger , absolute stupid rule .
kinda agree with you. Normally Thai people are very cautious and do not want to let someone have their ID card, and even photocopy it needs to be cross-signed for the specific purpose
In Udon Thani it isn’t necessary to do TM 30 again after coming back from a Trip, if you stay at the same address/ house again. You have to ask at your immigration!!!
No need for TM30 at Jomtien IO when traveling within Thailand, only when returning from outside Thailand. I have been here 11 years and never had a problem
Paul Collins even returning from international travel does not require a new TM30 filing at Jomtien as long as you are returning to a previously filed address.
Pete Power They don't know you are returning to a previous filed address unless you tell them. Try it and find out, my wife was warned before about not filing a TM30 each time we return from a foreign holiday. Maybe because I'm on an O retirement visa.
Jenny Cha no, only a return to Thailand from another country resets your 90 day report date.
After returning from another country you need to complete TM30 again within 24 hours, unless you arrive back on a Friday or weekend, then just leave it till the Monday
I would check with your Immigration office, what they require. In theory everytime you sleep somewhere else other than home you have to submit a TM 30.
I travel every 6-8 weeks to Isaan to visit my family, and have done so for years. Apparently the village chief notifies local immigration that I am there. But have never been asked in Jomtien immigration about this when I rapport my 90 days. Think it's important for immigration to know where you are in the country (travel etc) but upon return no need to notify
My online 90 day reporting was rejected because the last tm30 on file was done by the resort I stayed in for 2 days in Chiang Rai. While it may be technically true for some IO’s won’t require updated tm30’s every time you leave your residence you may still get rejected on the online reporting
Jon Popow when you leave your residence you will stay somewhere where a TM30 is done so you are not registered at your residence anymore and need to register again upon your return.
Jenny Cha I had to do the report in person. Not a big issue but I posted this just to let people know that regardless of how right you might feel, you may wind up creating more problems for yourself listening to what you want to hear
Welcome to selective enforcement in Thailand. By letter of law, yes, new TM30 every time. It depends on your immigration office if this is enforced, mine is okay with doing it when I return from abroad, and not doing a new one when I travel in Thailand.
I got in trouble with my local Immigration office here in Ubon Ratchathani for not getting a new TM30 from the office of the condominium where I live after I had been to Bangkok for a few nights.
The hotel in Bangkok copied my passport - as they all do - and registered my stay with them with Immigration.
When I presented my TM30 to the office in Ubon they checked my passport number on their system and said the TM30 from the condo was not valid.
I had to go back to the condo office and them to raise a new TM30.
My local Immigration office are very helpful. They said I must do this any time I stay somewhere else, a hotel or a private residence.
Ask your immigration office. The requirement to make a new TM30 at your homeplace was kind of removed, but that is not law, it is just a police order.
IF your local immigration office requires you to do an TM3o when you come home, then ask them how to do it online. There is a web page how to do it and in general you can do it via LINE.
Many IOs only require a new filing if you return from travel outside the country, some may require a new one any time you spend time away from your primary residence. I don't live in BKK so don't know their requirements. Either way, if the home owner you stay with is registered it takes two minutes to file and print.
Legally... every time. Also every time you spend a night away from your house, you need to resubmit it also when you return. The advice here is not legally correct from most people.
In practice, if the person/guest is never going to visit a immigration office then you likely don't need to worry about it, if they plan to do an extension whist at your place... it's a very good idea.
If you're leaving your house and stay in accommodations that actually follows the law and lodge their guests with the government (ie real hotels) then you should relist yourself back home when you return. If you stay in cheaper motel/homestays that don't follow the law and don't send all the paperwork to the government then likely it looks like to the government that you've never left your house.
Also legally we should all be doing TM28 every time we are in ANY province
for more than 24 hours, so if you're doing a road trip across the country you should be doing one just about everyday :)
50yo immigration laws are crazy! Over my 19 years here the laws have been enforces in a dozen different ways, and it's often different in different provinces as each head of station follows the rules as they want.
The TM28 is defunct. I travel a fair bit around Thailand and don't bother doing a new TM30 each time I get home. My local immigration says I only need to do when I leave Thailand and return. But I suppose different offices have different ideas. To be safe I suppose you could do a TM30 prior to a 90 day report "just in case", otherwise I don't think there is a need.
I do completely agree with you. The 50 years law needs a revision but no one does and that leaves a door open for corruption and under table money.. I never heard of TM28. What is it ? It's actually for my partner, we are staying in my relative (we did every year in the past but never did TM30). When my partner went to immigration office to make a TM30 for the first time, the guy said, "you know I could give you a fine of 2000 baht.." sth like that.
Jenny Cha Paul Hamon answer is 100% correct and the change to the rules in 2020.
What does matter is your imagination office and what they require, some do want you to re-file , some don't, after i paid my first fine of 1,100 baht for not doing TM30 within 24 hours of return to province, i will not get caught a second time , TM 28 forms i keep in the car , this is for the police to stamp when in new province, if the hotel have not done the TM 30 , what i have learned you can play about with this , short trip 2-3 day stay , my wife will book hotel and show her id card ( no need for me to do tm30) as not left my province, but if they insist on taking my passport, then i have to do a tm30 when i get back , its all muddy waters and greatly dependent on what your imagination office requires, for me , i will NOT get fined Again !!
while there is a legal requirement to register a stay at every new accomodation (within 24 hours) for foreign visitors using form tm30, there is no legal requirement to refile if you are returning to an accomodation where you have a registered stay and the stay period is still active, (eg your home with a null checkout date on the form). However, while its not a legal requirement, it can be a requirement of some IO's to refile an updated version prior to face to face interaction. This was a change to the law in i believe jun 21.
Tony Morgan exactly what happened to in Phuket town. Had one night stay in BKK for follow up on laser treatment and IO demanded new filing of Tm 30 by my landlord in Phuket, I had a 6 month lease copied but IO not interested. Well well the land of smiles and inconsistency’s
After checking, you're right. According to the Royal Thai Police Notification published in the Government Gazette on 16 June 2020 (effective 30 June 2020), once a TM30 is properly filed for a registered address, you *do not* need to file a new one when returning to that same address — even after inter-province or international travel — as long as it’s before the notified checkout date (or if it’s a null/open-ended date on a long-term registered home address).
The same issue covered here. My TM30 hadn't been updated in 8 years, except I never noticed...Immi was OK with that because it's always the same address on every 90 day/extention.
Jenny Cha hi jenny, a simple thing we do so we don't have to keep repeating the tm30 is when we travel around i book any hotels in my wifes name so the tm30 isnt triggered.
True and not true. Need to, no...only if you move to a place and live there.
Once I read in a site, especially for expats: example, I live in Chiang Mai. I'm going to travel only for 1 day outside CM, you report it to the police.
For me, the last is pure nonsense, I just wanna share what I read.
Fred Naancome Wijnands it's actually dependent on what your local immigration wants. Some do want you to file a new TM.30 every single time regardless of whats in the system, whereas others are happy just to accept the original (if its still showing in the system)
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