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Can I convert my son's Ed visa to a Non-O visa while in Thailand?

Shelley ********
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Immigration is driving me crazy!

My son goes to school here and has a Ed visa as of today. I've made a 5 hour trip 4 times to immigration with a 5 year old, jumping through every hoop and paying every fee. Its cost a fortune already.

Immigration told me that when he has his visa I can get my non o guardian visa.

Well today they tell me they can't and have told me to get a Ed visa so I can convert it to a non o later.

They are driving me mad. I should have just got one of the visas from the agency to begin with, instead of trying to do everything the right and legit way.

So my question, can I convert this Ed visa to a non o visa in the country? Has anyone else done this? I don't want to do all this just for even more hoops to jump through in a few months time. And more importantly, more money, I can't dig into my money much as I will need to still show I have 500k in a bank account when the time comes for my non o 😭

If anyone can help with some advice here I would be very appreciative. Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
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A user expresses frustration with the immigration process in Thailand regarding their son's education visa (Ed visa) and their own potential conversion to a Non-O guardian visa. They have faced significant expense and numerous trips to immigration, only to be told conflicting information about their visa options. The community provides insights into the complexities of visa regulations, the impact of current immigration policies, and personal experiences with similar situations, but the user is seeking specific advice on whether it's possible to convert their son's Ed visa to a Non-O visa without leaving the country.
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Daniel **********
Daniel **********
Horrendous treatment. I'd suggest finding a different place to live. A country with better human rights if you can. Somewhere more organised.
John *********
John *********
I have left Thailand after 14 years. I love the people.

The Thai military government is a military dictatorship and Thai people are dying. Things are going to get far worse.
Kool *******
Kool *******
@John ********
, don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out
Guy *********
Guy *********
Do it all through a good visa agent whenever pos. Always easier... if you have a reliable one. Being honest and by the book gets you nowhere in Thailand unfortunately. I can recommend one (an agent) if you need. Feel your pain. Good luck
John-Paul ******
John-Paul ******
@Guy ********
message me... always good to have a backup plan. Actually have 3 people looking. Could send that way.
Lopsee **********
Lopsee **********
@Guy ********
can I have the agent's details if okay?
Shea *******
Shea *******
I'm the future please understand the right and legite way is the way that you don't get into trouble. I see thais trying to help foreigners all the time and they refuse their help because in their mind it's not correct....but it often is. Anyways, I'm glad you solved your problem.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
Well I've just paid out for a education visa, I guess case closed for now. Thanks everyone for your support 🙏🙏🙏
Edward *******
Edward *******
@Shelley *******
But now you’re actually gonna have to study? What are you going to study for the ED vis? Wild that they want you to do that ...
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Edward ******
Well its at a local muay Thai place near my sons school. I already train Muay Thai with a different gym and have a gym membership elsewhere too. At least I'm gonna be fit 😅 and it is something that I will do.

Again, silly me doing things the right way 😅
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
I couldnt see another way to go 😕 time is running out.
Tod *********
Tod *********
well, that wasn't necessarily the best course of action :/ ,

but you picked your path now you gotta make the best of it.

Good Luck, take care, stay safe.

I got nothing more I can add to the O/P's plight.. :)
Rob ******
Rob ******
How much was your childs Education visa please ?

Thanks , hope you get it solved .
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
They said I would normally have to leave Thailand for a Ed visa and apply out of country.

I can see that all the Ed visas now have this
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/19 k baht immigration fee for those on amnesty. So I guess I'm not the only one.

Its annoying as they knew my case and never told me that they wouldn't be able to help me. And seemed shocked that I wanted to get my non o visa yesterday when I went to get my sons passport stamped. Even though that's what they told me I could do 😭
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Rob *****
I paid 100,000 for school fees and
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for them to process the visa
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Shelley *******
yeah, Sadly that "processing fee" was a fail. because an in country 90 day ED visa from ALL the immigration offices in the country cost 2000baht, AND a year extension based on attending school here is 1900baht. So you paid someone a LOT of money to "push paper" for you..
Tod *********
Tod *********
The reason I ask is because there has to be a reason you couldn't get the in country Non-O visa based on having a foreign child in school here.. Now whether it was because you waited too long to apply (and don't have the time left on amnesty to do it) OR you were on a visa/extension that you can't convert, I don't know.

Right now you have limited options; you either get a letter from your embassy asking for a 30 day embassy request extension or you get a letter from a doctor/hospital stating you can't travel and apply for a medical extension OR as immigration put it, you "prepare to depart" on or by the 26th of Sept when this amnesty runs out.

You are fast running out of options
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
Ah yes immigration told me I could do this, but they said I can't convert it 🤔 so would be for the 1 month only and no possibility to change or extend it.

Also the UK aren't giving letters for this anymore. I already tried. Thank you 🙏🙏
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
Contact the British Embassy and see if they will give you a letter for a 30 day extension. They may do this if you show you are in the process of trying to acquire a long term visa and have the dependent here. Then you'll be on a legit stamp and can possibly then convert it to non O directly with immigration.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Ivan ***********
she said she already paid for an ED visa with a school down there. I'd advised her that too before I deleted it after reading she'd went the ED visa route already.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Tod ********
I'm been on this visa process for 2 months, they never told me that I would need a visa, they knew I was on amnesty, they just told me that once my son has his, I can get mine. Go there yesterday and they tell me I need a visa to convert it, get a education visa/volenteer visa or get married. Drives me crazy I've jumped through all their hoops, tried to do everything right and it the end they pretty much tell me to get (in my opinion) a non-legit visa, through a agency 😖 I was pretty much ready to say stuff it and go back to the UK yesterday, I've just filled out some forms for a education visa though, I guess I'm still trying
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Shelley *******
First off what type of visa/extension are you on now?
Bobby ********
Bobby ********
Best advice is to return home until this is all over. This visa thing will get worse before it gets better.
Jay *****
Jay *****
There are no Ed visas currently being issued to adults unless you are a student at a university.
Jin *****
Jin *****
@Jay ****
I see.. unfair less then 10 days left for the end of amnesty. Any plan B?
Jin *****
Jin *****
@Jay ****
so the ministry of education rejected your application and not IO.
Jay *****
Jay *****
@Jin ****
No, nobody rejected it. IO are not accepting applications. I paid an agency who were unable to apply.
Ben *************
Ben *************
They will issue an ED visa in Chiang Mai if you are prepared to go through the long process and pay up 8000 baht extra. However, your best bet right now Shelley Louise is to explain the situation to your embassy as calmly as possible, if they are understanding they will give you a letter to allow you to process an extension and give you more time. There may be different options at the end of the month.
Jay *****
Jay *****
This was the letter dated 11th August from the ministry of education to immigration, requesting that they begin to issue Ed visas in country. This has not been approved.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Jay ****
there are lots of places offering Ed visas, genuine and these miraculous ones you can send a passport to when they are a 14 hour drive away. Immigration pretty much just told me themselves to get one
Jay *****
Jay *****
@Shelley *******
they told me yesterday that no Ed visas are being issued. I do not know of any agencies currently offering Ed visas.
Jay *****
Jay *****
@Jin ****
No, only have to pay when they confirm they will issue it.
Jin *****
Jin *****
@Jay ****
did u pay as well as some extra money (around 10k bath) to IO to extend the visa without leaving the country?
Jay *****
Jay *****
@Shelley *******
yes and they only refunded me 75%. They kept 25% for the paperwork they prepared, although I’d agreed with the charge previously.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Jay ****
who I didn't know that 😭
Rob ******
Rob ******
@Shelley *******
Unfortunately at present , many agents are struggling for cash flow .

Advertising to keep the money coming in , knowing they will have to refund or maybe not , later .
Jay *****
Jay *****
@Shelley *******
I paid for an Ed visa 2 weeks ago from a company advertising. They stated at the time that they were 99% certain Ed visas would be available soon. Yesterday they refunded me.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Jay ****
you should see all my suggested ads on Facebook, I'm overwhelmed with all the company's offering them.

Can I share them on here? If you want some links then pm me
Ethan *********
Ethan *********
For my experience, if you’re under tourist visa amnesty, you cannot change non o guardian visa in Thailand. You need to leave Thailand and get a non o to get in again to apply guardian visa.
Kool *******
Kool *******
Which immigration office have you been going to, and currently what is your visa status? Are you on tourist visa amnesty?
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
I think you're stuck in the rut where technically you are on amnesty and not eligible to convert in country. Unless you pay the money to make that problem go away. I'd consider just swallowing your pride and paying, the "fully legal" alternative is to leave Thailand by 26 September.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Kool ******
krabi, and yes on amnesty.
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Shelley *******
being on a remote island, you are pretty much at the mercy of that immigration office, and the rules they are making up for you to follow. Do what they say, and I'm sure they will come up with some other reason to get money out of you. Bt100k for your child's school isn't unreasonable, but bt17,000 for them to process your child's visa extension is outrageous.
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Shelley *******
, a valid reason for staying, there are many. Work, legally volunteering, retirement, although you are not eligible for that, opening your own business, going to school, but that is only good for three years, except in special circumstances, and marrying a Thai national. The way you do it legally, at your age, is with an Elite visa, if none of these other options fit. Thailand is nice, but the government is very very fussy about who they want to stay, and why. What allot of people do not understand about the ED visa extensions that are being sold is, you are still required to go to school, and every 90 days you must get it extended using the documents the school gives you to prove to immigration that you are in fact going to school. If you miss one of these required 90 day extensions then your visa expired, and you are on overstay. The same type of thing applies to volunteer visas, at 90 days, and with the fact you must also, to be legal, have a work permit, and to get that you must present all the documents from the organization that is legally registered to hire volunteers. These initial visas everyone is buying, are technically legal, for the first 90 days, as they are legally stamped by an immigration official, but after this 90 day period, people are in for a real surprise, if they aren't going to school, or actually volunteering, and miss that first extension date. Basically what immigration is telling you, and they are correct, is that inside the country you can not get a type O guardianship visa extension on a tourist visa/amnesty, without getting it initially at a Thai embassy out of the country. You must be on a visa category other than tourist. If you get an ED visa extension stamp in your passport, then you are no longer classes as a tourist, and they can issue you a different long term extension, without leaving the country at this time, but you must do it before the first 90 days expires, or you will be in big trouble if you are not going to school. Normally this is not the case, but because of this virus, and the borders completely closed they are making exceptions, but not at every immigration office.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
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@Kool ******
it's not a dodgy way. Yes he needs a Ed visa so we can both stay. But I could have gotten just myself a Ed visa and he needn't have one. Obviously we need a long visa for a year at school. Immigration have been pleasent too me, and like I said, they suggested even dodgier ways to do it.

What's a valid excuse for staying in Thailand?
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Shelley *******
, but you are using a dodgy way to get a visa extension. That is what you do not see, but immigration does.
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Shelley *******
, at this time, because of this virus, lots of people are looking for any way they can stay in Thailand, instead of returning home, and everyday immigration sees people trying to use different loopholes to do just that. Lots of people did border runs to do it, had multi-entry visas that required them to leave every 90 days, and now they can't. There are lots and lots of people trying to stay anyway they can, and lots of the ways are questionable, like why would you get your child a visa they do not need, unless it was only so you could stay long term instead of returning home. These are the things immigration is seriously looking at right now, because of this virus. They have given everyone ample time to return home. You came here as a tourist, but now want to stay, for whatever reason, and are trying to use your child, that does not need a visa extension, to do it. That is what immigration is questioning, even though they will not say it directly. They basically are seriously wondering why you did not take your child home to start school. That is why they are being so hard on you. Like I said, not to be rude, but that is what is going on with immigration.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
Or marrying the person I'm with would have been even easier but unlike most of the expats here I will only marry when it's right to do so, not for a visa.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Kool ******
and if I wanted a dodgy way of getting a visa I would have just got myself a 15 month Ed or volenteer visa for half the price and much less hassle!
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
They won't process my visa because I don't have a visa to convert.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Kool ******
that is how everybody at the school stays in Thailand, its not anything up, it's a legit thing that happens. We got stuck here in lockdown and have made a life for ourselves, he goes to school. We want to stay. Its a legit reason for being here and it's not in anyway frowned upon. I don't get your comment
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Shelley *******
, not to sound rude, but it sounds like you are using your son so you can get a long term visa extension to stay in Thailand...lololol. Immigration does know all the tricks, and loopholes. Something is up, that they do not consider correct, or they would issue you a guardianship extension no problem. Did you enter Thailand originally with the intention of your child going to school here, or was that an afterthought. With him technically not needing a visa extension, as you say, they know something is up.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@Kool ******
no it's ok, it's a international school and he goes everyday. I'm more annoyed that I've tried to do everything the right way, and my son dosnt even technically need a visa, I just needed to get it so I could get a visa too. Which I can't, so its money litterally down the drain 😭
Chris *******
Chris *******
@Tod ********
. Will set the course
Greg *******
Greg *******
Tod Daniels I think he says he has that money in the post. He wants to be careful not to spend much more so he don’t touch that money.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Greg ******
well spotted, I deleted that post, and will try to see if I can contribute positively to the thread, thanx (y)
Greg *******
Greg *******
Man *****
Man *****
Has anyone answered Shelley's question yet ?
Patrick ********
Patrick ********
Michael *********
Michael *********
Whats with you expats in Thailand you love and hate the place you hate where you come from you despise any suggestions of anyone who suggests a better place believe it or not i would love to understand the essence of your relationship with Thailand
แมทธิว **************
แมทธิว **************
@Shelley *******
I reckon so, good luck with your visas, for me I know the people in my local visa office and have there line ID so ask them anything before I go, I was going to look at citizenship before the covid and then it all went awol. If you are thinking of long term commitment to Thailand then citizenship is a good route they have very few applicants per year and could be a long term goal for property right and no more immigration visits.
Vic *********
Vic *********
Corruption and the Thai penchant for piling bureaucracy on top of bureaucracy. The worse part for me is that many people just accept it, never question it.
Roy ***********
Roy ***********
@Michael ********
Like any country there are good and bad things in Thailand. Many guys have too much spare time, and we love to use that to complain about things.😁

Favourite topics: traffic, corruption and wifes.
James **************
James **************
@Roy **********
wives are the good part. I've got 3.
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
To be honest I just don't want to go back to the UK in all this craziness, my son has friends here and we are happy. I don't hate it here, and I've tried jumping through all their hoops, I just wish they would be more honest and not make me buy visas for my child who dosnt even bloody need one, and then pretty much recommend I go with a dodgy company instead of doing things the right way like I've been trying. Honesty gets you no where here 😢
Ken ***********
Ken ***********
@Michael ********
it really isn't that complicated there are many amazing aspects of Thailand (culture, food, tropical destinations to name a few) ; HOWEVER, it is possible to hate the corruption at the same time.
แมทธิว **************
แมทธิว **************
@Michael ********
, I believe it is a love hate relationship for most of them. I don’t hate where I come from in fact I run a business in both countries and I don’t hate Thailand either. I do hate Thai bureaucracy though.
Luc *********
Luc *********
@แมทธิว *************
let see when you will get bad jokes with them...
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
@แมทธิว *************
i​think he must have written to the wrong person
แมทธิว **************
แมทธิว **************
Poompui ************
Poompui ************
Poompui ************
Poompui ************
Steve *******
Steve *******
Meanwhile in Cambodia:

"You want to stay here and have your children go to school here? Welcome, sir. Just pay the visa fee at the airport and then fuck off until you need an extension next year. Welcome to beautiful Cambodia oh, and if you want to work here just get a job and then change your visa to a work visa whenever you want."
Julian ********
Julian ********
@Steve ******
Beautiful Cambodia? More like hell hole
Rick *******
Rick *******
This is one of the reasons why I returned to my home country during this god awful epidemic. It seems as though many countries are trying to extract as much foreign money during a time when few regulations are consistent and we are at the mercy of immigration. I decided in March to stay home until 2021 when there might be a chance of having a vaccine and things have calmed down a bit. Sorry for your troubles and I give you credit for trying to wade through all of the red tape involved. Good luck.
Dave ***********
Dave ***********
@Rick ******
a Visa amnesty for 6 months meaning no visa fees and no overstay fines is hardly “trying to extract as much foreign money”!
Nick ****
Nick ****
But then you'd have to stay in Cambodia
Steve *******
Steve *******
@Nick *****
Phnom Penh is a great alternative to any Thai city.

Of course Thailand is about 10 years ahead of Cambo in urban development but in PP you have every bit of the comfortable amenities that BKK has to offer for a cheaper price.

And even if it didn't have those, anything is better than having to deal with the unorganized Thai immigration.
Bob **********
Bob **********
@Steve ******
thanks for the help
Steve *******
Steve *******
Bob **********
Bob **********
@Steve ******
she's talking about now
Dan **********
Dan **********
@Steve ******
PP has some nice neighborhoods. I'd live there...
Chris *******
Chris *******
@Nick *****
over our shoulders shooting bottles from the bar
Nick ****
Nick ****
@Chris ******
where was he aiming? Or did he just shoot in the air?
Chris *******
Chris *******
@Nick *****
, yes easy late night bar, drunk policeman, 6 shots fired thinking it was funny scaring the only 2 farangs
Nick ****
Nick ****
@Chris ******
Dan doesn't want to share his story apparently. Can you at least share yours?
Cabbie ******
Cabbie ******
@Dan *******
only time I’ve been mugged was there too 😱
Chris *******
Chris *******
@Dan *******
ha ha me too, must be fairly common
Nick ****
Nick ****
@Dan *******
oh look, we've got a James Bond here😃
Dan ********
Dan ********
@Nick *****
no honestly, I really can’t. It’s on a par with the time I nearly had my organs removed by a gang in Barcelona.
Steve *******
Steve *******
@Dan *******
hope you recovered quickly!
Steve *******
Steve *******
@Bob *********
I'm not talking about now. We all should have taken our lifes and money there years ago 😑
Nick ****
Nick ****
@Dan *******
you can't just mention it and not tell us the whole story
Dan ********
Dan ********
@Steve ******
the only time I’ve been shot at was in Phnom Penh.
Bob **********
Bob **********
@Steve ******
you didn't mention the money to be deposited for your quarantine and tests in order to enter Cambodia???
Paul ********
Paul ********
Tea Money
Shelley ********
Shelley ********
OP
Already have mate!!
Tod *********
Tod *********
Rumered to grease the skids so to speak.
Paul ********
Paul ********
@Tod ********
Immigration?? Not a Ladyboys Bar 5555 Stay Sexy, Happy n Safe

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