What visa options are available for my 19-year-old daughter currently in Thailand on a tourist visa, and can she apply without leaving the country?

Aug 25, 2024
3 months ago
Sally *******
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Asking for my daughter, who is 19 and currently living in Chiang Mai on a tourist visa.

She's just signed a12month apartment lease and is staying for a number of reasons, medical treatment, she's volunteering 3 days a week and she's planning to study TEFOl and Thai language.

Question; What would be the best visa for her to apply for and can she do this without leaving the country? She is self funded although has no recent activity in her uk bank account, she's been living off prepaid travel cards so far. She's getting a regular monthly income of 28k baht and we are trying to sort out the best bank account for this.. maybe WISE, Starling, Monzo?
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A user inquired about the best visa options for their 19-year-old daughter currently residing in Chiang Mai on a tourist visa. The daughter has signed a one-year lease, intends to study Thai and TEFL, is volunteering, and requires medical treatment. Suggestions from the community included applying for an Education Visa (ED Visa) by enrolling in a Thai language school, suggesting that the daughter might face challenges in transitioning her visa while already in Thailand, due to time constraints. Participants also pointed out legal issues with volunteering without the proper visa and work permit. Alternatives such as a medical visa (DTV Visa) for long-term treatment were discussed, highlighting the necessity for the daughter to leave Thailand briefly to apply for certain visas. Additionally, advice on banking options suitable for managing her income while in Thailand was provided, with recommendations for using services like Wise or Starling.
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Thomas ********
Has she told her UK banks that she is travelling long term in the region and particularly Thailand. If not they will probably block her card when she tries to use an atm here as they will likely assume it's stolen. Once they know it will be fine but if they don't! Drawing money out regularly by atm will be expensive because of the charges and exchange rates. Better to use her uk bank apps until she can open an account with a Thai bank.
Sally *******
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@Thomas *******
that's why Wise is good. It's a global bank specially for global citizens. I've done the research now.. thanks.
Thomas ********
@Sally ******
yep, we expats use Wise and I have used World Remit for years. Wise can take some time to do the transfers though. It's good practice to tell your bank you are overseas though.
Sally *******
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@Thomas *******
surely that's the point with wise, it's a card to travel with. They can see from your IP address which country you are in?
Thomas ********
@Sally ******
I don't use a Wise card so could not say. Look, it's up to you or whoever. Advice was asked for and was given. There's no point arguing the toss. The best people to ask about a Wise card are friggin Wise! Banks stop transactions if they think the card has been stolen. It is not difficult to ring them and tell them you are travelling but if that's too much trouble people can find out for themselves. As the locals say here 'it 's up to you'!
Tichy ***********
How long of her medical treatment will be
Sally *******
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@Tichy **********
Might be years, we don't know.
Stuart ***********
I use a Starling debit card and it is brilliant. She can use it to pay for things in supermarkets and shops that accept cards. She can also withdraw money using the card. If she goes into the bank with her passport, there is no fee and they pay the Starling rate of the day and that is usually as good as anywhere.

I also use Wise, but only to transfer cash to my Thai bank account.

I believe that Monzo is very similar to Starling, so maybe get both, just in case anything goes wrong with one of the cards.
Victoria **********
@Stuart **********
Can you use your Starling card at Thai ATMs without charge? If not, do you know what the charges are please?
Stuart ***********
@Victoria *********
as Henrik stated it's a 220 baht fee at the ATM, but free if you go inside the bank with your passport.
Victoria **********
@Stuart **********
No worries and thank you. Same deal as my other UK account then šŸ‘Œ
Stuart ***********
@Victoria *********
depends which bank your UK account is. The high Street banks like HSBC and Barclays will give a very poor exchange rate.
Henrik *****
There will be a 220 baht fee to the Thai bank + whatever fee the cardsupplier takes.

Allways get the maximum amount ( on the amount page, choose ā€œother amountā€ and enter the maximum amount).

Always choose ā€œno conversionā€
John *******
Where does the monthly income of 28,000 baht come from? It sounds like she has a job, not volunteering.
Sally *******
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@John ******
that's her allowance. It comes from me renting out her room in London, she gets half the rent.
John *******
@Sally ******
- Ok, so not an "income" - and you decided to convert to baht even though it is pounds.
Sally *******
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@John ******
I'm not sure what you are saying about 'income'? Income is income.. no?
Tin **********
@Sally ******
income is taxed
Sally *******
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@Tin *********
yes it's taxed in the uk.
Sally *******
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@John ******
well that's what she's told me she's getting once it's converted.
Shayne **********
I have a volunteering option that would probably be perfect for your daughter. Feel free to DM me.
Sally *******
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I thought maybe a medical visa but don't know where to start. She's so young to be doing all this on her own.
Justin *********
@Sally ******
a hospital might be able to help you get a DTV visa for medical treatment, which would let her stay in Thailand for 180 days at a time, take a brief border run, and come back for another 180 days, and keep repeating that cycle for five years without needing to get a new visa.

Failing that, maybe ask her recovery program if Muay Thai training might complement her recovery program. If so, Muay Thai programs can also be used to support the DTV visa.

Now, to *get* the DTV, sheā€™d need to briefly leave Thailand to apply for the visa, but other members of the group have posted recently about getting the visa very quickly (within days) from the Thai consulates or embassies in Vietnam and, if Iā€™m remembering correctly, Laos.

Others have already pointed out that volunteering can be problematic, but perhaps she can find opportunities to do structured volunteer work online for programs outside of Thailand. Within Thailand, instead of looking for volunteer roles, perhaps she could instead find some other way of giving back to the local community, like making a practice of writing a positive review of a different local business each day, or trying to provide a helpful answer to someone elseā€™s questions in one of the local facebook groups. Maybe she can brainstorm something along those lines with the people helping her with recovery, to avoid running into any accidental work permit problems.

One other possible wrinkle to think about: if sheā€™s in Thailand for more than 179 days a year, she *might* have to think about income taxes in Thailand. It sounds like her only ā€œincomeā€ is just an allowance from you, which I assume sheā€™s not reporting on her tax returns in the UK. Hopefully, this is a non-issue for her in Thailand, but just to be on the safe side, you might want to poke someone familiar with Thai tax laws to make sure she doesnā€™t have to do any paperwork (or pay any taxes!) in Thailand.
Sally *******
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@Justin ********
thank you. Raising some good points here. I pay tax on the money in the uk, as it's rental income, so will have to check if she isn't allowed gifted living expenses in Thailand. It's not a lot of money and within permitted uk annual gift amounts.
Ken ***********
@Sally ******
the program she is using may be able to assist with a medical visa.
Sally *******
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@Ken **********
she was there for 3 months she's independently living now.
Ken ***********
She might also check with the administration of the recovery program. They might be able to get her a medical visa.

Best wishes in her time in Thailand. May she find strength and peace.
Dhee *******
She can get either a voluntary visa or education visa if she's going to study the Thai language
Bob **********
Volunteer visa are hard to come by not sure there even issuing them any more and the ED visa will require her to attend all classes Good luck to her and Iā€™m happy at 19 sheā€™s trying to beat her addiction been through that when I was young
Dhee *******
@Bob *********
there's a lot of agencies offering both visa. Just need to be wise in choosing one.
Bob **********
@Dhee ******
I prefer to do it myself as Iā€™ve done for 15 years agents are fine but if there shoddy visaā€™s youā€™ll have problems getting a long stay visa good luck
Dhee *******
@Bob *********
then they need your advice. šŸ˜‰šŸ˜‰šŸ˜‰
John **********
As an aside volunteering requires a work permit and you can't get a work permit on a tourist visa
Sally *******
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@John *********
it has formed part

of her recovery programme as she's a recovering addict, so I wasn't aware this would be seen as work.
John **********
@Sally ******
shame about the addiction but I'm not sure that makes any difference. Is that a medically supervised recovery program that she's volunteering under?
Sally *******
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@John *********
I think it was arranged to give her some positive activity and structure. Also 'paying back' forms part of the ongoing recovery.
John **********
@Sally ******
I kind of understand the principals behind it but that doesn't answer the question
Sally *******
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@John *********
sorry yes she was with a formal recovery centre for 3 months. Now she's living independently since Aug 15th.
John **********
@Sally ******
that's good but I do think she should have a work permit to volunteer
Sally *******
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@John *********
she's basically been walking a couple of dogs twice a week from what I can tell.
John **********
@Sally ******
ah OK. Probably not much harm in that
Duncan *******
If she's volunteering, she should already have an appropriate visa and a Work Permit, because, without it, she's working illegally - volunteer work is considered work in the Kingdom. Chiang Mai Immigration regularly inspects places for foreigners breaking the law and if they find her, she will be arrested, eventually deported and banned from Thailand.
Yoz *********
There will be many visa shops and agents that can help her for a smallish fee . ED Visa learning Thai is the easiest way .
Bob **********
@Yoz ********
it must be an accredited school if not sheā€™ll have problems getting a long stay visa down the road
Bob **********
@Yoz ********
of course they do
Yoz *********
@Bob *********
Visa agents have experience working with accredited schools šŸ‘ŒšŸ‘
AdriĆ  ********
It's illegal to do voluntary without the proper visa. Many people do, but be careful.

DTV it's a great option but it's for older than 20 years old. Probably Ed Visa it's the best option for her.

Wise works well here in Thailand. She can withdraw money at the atm and pay with the debit card.
Steve *******
@AdriĆ  *******
You dont need a 'volunteer visa' to do voluntary work, however you do need a work permit.
AdriĆ  ********
@Steve ******
I mean, it's illegal to do volunteering with Tourist visa
Steve *******
Sally *******
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@AdriĆ  *******
she'll be 20 in November.
AdriĆ  ********
@Sally ******
You can check the DTV visa requirements, it can be a good option too. Maybe using soft power option (muay thai, medical treatment, music festival, cooking classes..)
Sally *******
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@AdriĆ  *******
yes I've read about that, but I'm not sure how you evidence any of it for a visa?
Colin *********
@Sally ******
in your original post about your daughter, you mentioned about medical treatment as being one reason for your daughter being in Thailand. Should you consider the DTV as an option as was suggested to you. Another person posted in the past week that they applied for the DTV based on a medical appointment in Thailand. They were refused because when more detail was requested about the appointment, the applicant disclosed that there was no specific reason, only a general consultation. Their application was refused.
Sally *******
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@Colin ********
she's got quite serious medical problems and will be on a long term plan of treatment, it's going to cost Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£. Just need to get her into the specialists at Bangkok hospital. She's been before but she's scared on her own. I'm coming out to visit end of Sept, but can't really wait that long for her to start the visa process..
AdriĆ  ********
@Sally ******
the same as Ed Visa. You have to enroll in a thai cooking class, muay thai or similar. The schools must provide the documentation to get the DTV visa. There are many information in the Visa related groups
Brandon ************
If she can find a school that will sponsor her for an ED visa, she can use that to stay in Thailand for up to a year. But if she's already in Thailand then she might not have enough time to apply for it without leaving, because it can take over a month for the school to get approval from the Ministry of Education, and then she still needs 21 days left on her stay in order to apply to convert to ED visa.

Also unless she is on a work visa or non-O volunteer visa and has a work permit, it is illegal for her to volunteer. Volunteering is considered work and requires both a work allowed visa and a work permit.
Sally *******
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@Brandon ***********
oh gosh I didn't know that.
Peter *******
@Sally ******
you will when they arrest and deport her and yes, this happens
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