What is the difference between a "marriage visa" and a "yearly extension of stay based on marriage" in Thailand?

Dec 20, 2017
7 years ago
Tod *********
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The difference between a "marriage visa" and a "yearly extension of stay based on marriage"

This topic comes up quite a lot. So let's take a minute and go over these two very different things.

I hate to break it to you all but a "marriage visa" actually doesn't exist. No matter what thai immigration staff or thai consulate staff or foreigners call it, there is no such animal.

It is in reality a Non-Immigrant Type O <-(O meaning OTHER) visa. Non-O visas are issued for a variety of things, marriage to a thai, raising children, being over 50 (retirement), married to a foreigner who legally works here, volunteering, etc.

If you are married to a thai you can stay here two ways;

Go to a thai consulate and get a year-long, multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type O visa based on marriage to a thai.

Right now the thai consulate in Savannakhet Lao and Ho Chi Minh City Vietnam will issue these visas without any proof of finances.

On this visa you get stamped in for 90 days, when that 90 days runs out you to go the border, stamp out of thailand, stamp in&out of another country and then stamp back into thailand for another 90 days. You do this for the validity of the visa itself which is one year from the date it's issued. Most people get 15 months out of this visa because by exiting and reentering the country just prior to the "enter before" date on the visa itself you get stamped in for another 90 days (taking you to 15 months).

A person on this visa NEVER EVER does a 90 day report at the immigration office (because you can't stay in the country longer than 90 days at a time).

The other way is to get a 90 day single entry Non-Immigrant Type O visa (either from a thai consulate or at the immigration office) and then apply for a yearly extension of stay based on marriage to a thai at the immigration office in your area.

You meet the financial requirements of 400K baht banked in a thai bank account in your name only for 2 months prior to your application OR by using a notarized letter from your consulate stating you get 40K baht a month in income from abroad. You submit a pile 'o documents, photos, and paperwork and the application goes under consideration for 30 days.

Then you go back and get the year extension inked into your passport. During the 30 day under consideration some immigration offices do an in home inspection and talk to your neighbors.

If you are going to leave the country during the year after you get your extension of stay you would need to buy a re-entry permit.

A person on this extension DOES do 90 day reporting if they stay in the country 90 days.

I hope that was understandable, feel free to ask any questions you want to.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The term "marriage visa" is a common misconception as it doesn't exist under Thai immigration law. Instead, foreigners married to Thai citizens can apply for a Non-Immigrant Type O visa for one year, which requires border runs every 90 days. Alternatively, they can obtain a single-entry 90-day Non-O visa and then apply for a yearly extension of stay at a local immigration office, which requires meeting financial criteria. Extensions involve a 30-day consideration period, unlike the visa, which must be reapplied for upon expiration.
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Benjamin ******
I'm closing comments, since it's from 2017:O
Erika ***********
Hi
@T**
, I contacted HR yesterday informing them that I would like to change the reason of my extension of stay from work to marriage.

It was suggested I would first need to apply for a non O visa and when that expires I would be able to extend for a year on the basis of marriage.

That's contrary to how I understood information provided in this group.

Can you tell me if I'm misunderstanding something please?

Thank you!
Tod *********
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They are incorrect.

You most definitely CAN cancel an extension based on employment and immediately apply for a new yearly extension based on marriage OR just wait until your current extension is going to run out and then apply for a new one with a new reason

.

Now whether the place you work for ever did it before or not I couldn't say but I'd suggest you go to the immigration office that you deal with, take your thai spouse along and find out what the requirements are.
Neil *********
Hi Tod that’s really helpful advice. But surprisingly however I do it as a UK citizen marrying a Thai I can only get 90 Days at a time?
Neil *********
@Tod ********
thanks very much. I qualify retirement visa and next year married to Thai. I just want citizenship or whatever the easiest is
Tod *********
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you CHOOSE to be on the visa that makes you border bounce every 90 days rather than a year long extension. There's nothing making you be on that visa.
Robert *******
With a actual visa yes, than you have to do a border run every 90 days. But with Extension of Stay you get 1 year and you have to report every 90 days at Immigration by mail, internet or in person.
Tod *********
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@Chris *******
You asked in another topic about a "marriage visa". Here's the two things people refer to as a 'marriage visa'.
Chris ********
Thanks so much
@T**
;-)
Warren *********
Never border bounced before would there be any cost say at Ranong for a 90 day non o visa thanks
Warren *********
@Tod ********
thats it hey , thanking you
Tod *********
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@War***
, you'd buy the day pass to burma when you border bounce there.
Warren *********
@Robert ******
sorry i meant after getting the non o visa
Robert *******
You can not get a 90 day non o visa by just visiting a border. You need to visit a Thai Consulate or Embassy.
Caleb ********
Update your bank book at your bank on the day and they usually also give you a print out of your statement
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Good point
@Caleb *******
, Many banks now print out the last 3 months of transactions when you get the bank letter, because they don't always show when you update the bank book
Tod *********
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@Za***
they probably asked you for a bank letter stating your name, your passport number, your account number, when you opened the account and the balance as of that date.

It's standard when using banked money method for extensions. You also update your bank book on the date you apply.
Zayid *******
chaengwattana asked me for a certificate of proof from the bank too.
Jevgenijus **********
Could you please elaborate more on “financial requirements of 400K baht banked in a thai bank account in your name only for 2 months”

How do I prove this statement? Do I provide some kind of financial certificate from my thai bank account or do they (authority) have access and can get information directly from bank? Or anything else?

For example, in my country, if you wish to apply for METV but your status are unemployed you do have to provide statement from the bank that you do have required amount of sum. In case you don’t have required amount of sum, you might ask for your friends, parents and etc. to lend you for the purpose of the financial statement and after that return them back their moneys. Will it would work here, in Thailand ?

As I am not willing to exchange Euro’s to baht just for this requirement. Thus, would want my Thai wife or friends lend me that amount.
Jevgenijus **********
Yes, have in mind yearly extension. About letter seems like straightforward. What about bank book? Lets say I have opened bank account 2 months ago but haven't add funds anything close to requirement and only will do that close to the extension applying date. Will it raise some questions? Since they can see bank books history and it won't show that that amount has stayed there for 2 months. Thanks
Tod *********
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@Jevgenijus *********
, IF you are getting a yearly extension of stay inside the country at the immigration office using banked money you get a letter from your bank stating your name, your account number, your passport number, when you opened the account, and the current balance as of that date. AND you update your bank book the day you apply for the extension.
James ********
If you do the proof of income from your consulate, make sure you keep your receipt as I got rejected based on the stat dec being considered a fake because i had no receipt.
James ********
@Tod ********
was at Ratchaburi.
Tod *********
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What immigration office was that
@Ja***
?

I have never heard of being asked to show a receipt of having been to the consulate to get the affidavit of income from abroad.
Erik ***********
Well my embassy writes on the income letter what fee they have taken. But I have never been asked to show any extra receipt so you should asked them where in the law that is said 😁
Craig *********
Can anyone confirm if this info is still valid please? Is Savannaket still giving non-o based on marriage without proof of finance?. I am planning to go at the end of this month.
Tod *********
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Johann this is what the two marriage certificates Kor Ror 2 & Kor Ror 3 look like
Tod *********
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Johann Muller, you probably have it and don't know what it is, you get it when you got the original rose bordered certificate. It just looks like a paper with thai writing on it.
Craig *********
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Totally correct, I know people who were there last week. You need the original rose bordered marriage certificate (they want to see the stamp on it.

Copies of:

-ft&bk of the marriage certificate

-ft&bk of your thai wife's i/d card

-the thai house book listing

-the data page of your passport

You sign everything with your name on it your wife signs everything with her name on it meaning you BOTH sign the marriage certificate copies ;)

Those things a filled out application, 2 passport sized photos and 5000 baht get you a year-long, multi-entry Non-O visa based on marriage to a thai,
David *******
Out of interest is HCM just as easy as Savannakhet? Could I do it alone? I could make use of all my air miles to go there as it is much easier than driving to Savannakhet for a couple of years before I go for the extension.
Henry *********
@David ******
Yeah, there's only one flight a day and not every day of the week. I use it a lot as my wife's family live in Pakse. I hate long bus journeys, so if I ever had to get a visa from Savannakhet I think I'd use it.
David *******
@Henry ********
more complicated then HCM I think as I looked at that option before and not that many flight
Henry *********
You can fly to Savannakhet from BKK on Lao Airlines. It used to be a direct flight (about 1 hour) but now it goes via Pakse, so takes a bit longer. Not cheap, but quick and easy.
Tod *********
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The thai consulate in HCMC requires the same exact documentation as at Savannakhet.

The only caveat is they ONLY accept USD for the visa fees at the consulate
Zayid *******
@Tod ********
if I could add to this...what if I already applied for the multi entry, but would much rather report than re-enter? (Especially since the reporting can be online it seems). Is it possible to change visa types
Tod *********
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@Zayid ******
, once you get a yearly extension IF you are going to leave the country during that year, you would get a re-entry permit. That keeps the expiration of your extension "alive" and you'd be stamped in until that date when you return to thailand
Zayid *******
@Tod ********
wife brought up an issue: what if we leave the country during the extension period? does it reset anything?
Zayid *******
Cheers mate!
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
you could apply for a yearly extension on any of the 90 day entries you make. You do it when you have 30 days or less left on that entry. Meet the financial requirements and supply the required documentation, it'll go under consideration for 30 days then you go back and get the year extension stamped into your passport.

Doing so will cancel the Non-O multi-entry visa you have meaning you can't use it anymore and would be on an extension of stay instead.
Michael ******
very well explained. Thank you for sorting it out.
Bobby ****
seoul south korea embassy gives the non-o based on marriage w/o finances as well. i did it 3 months ago.
Andrew *******
Thank you Tod, well explained. Merry Christmas.
Ben *********
Interesting. Great info knowledge. Thanks
JN ******
Hi Tod! I see you start of with "If you are married" what about if i only have baby in Thailand, is everything same? I can go to Savannakhet with copy of Birthcertifiket, copy of Bluebook and my girlfriends passport, no money proof? Thankz Jonas
JN ******
Thanks
@Derek **************
😊🙏
Derek ***************
I think that they only give a 90 day single entry at Savannakhet based on Thai child. You would then need to go to your local Immi office and extend that for a year with 400k THB in the bank or 40k per month income proved with a letter from your embassy.
Robbie ********
Fantastic post - much appreciated Tod 🙏🏼
Michael **********
Thanks so much for breaking it down. That was stated very simply for me to understand
Caleb ********
You mentioned on the year long extension there is a 30 day consideration period. Does that mean you must apply at least 30 days before your current visa expires? Thanks
Caleb ********
Ah ok, got it thanks!
Robert *******
The under application period is 30 days added to your admitted to stay peiod. Text of the stamp is: Application of stay in under consideration of the Immigration bureau. Applicant must contact the office again in person on ../../.. Signed:
Johnsuma ******
you will get a free prolongation 40 days if i remember.
Caleb ********
'Sorry if that's a bit long winded, hope you understand my question...'
Caleb ********
@Lloyd *******
so if you apply for the extension and it goes to the 30 day consideration period and in that time your current visa expires before the extension is accepted is there a sort of waver as it is still being processed?
Lloyd ********
No, if your application is accepted, i.e. the under consideration period, it is almost 100% that you will get the extension. Never heard of anyone who had the application accepted and the extension refused.
Payam **********
appriciate its really helpful
Graham *********
crystal. .thanx
Fred *******
I have a Non Immigrant 0 Single entry BUT I had to go outside Thailand to get it. AFter that at the immigration (CM) they took a month to validate the yearly extension of stay based on marriage to a thai.
Tim ********
@Glenn ********
... Thank god... I'm not getting married 😜🤣👍🏼
Glenn *********
Sorry meant extension based upon marriage..😊
Glenn *********
So once again
@T**
it appears that the easiest option is extension based on retirement as it carries all that the marriage visa does as it's faster and with considerably less paperwork ?
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
correct, once you have the Non-O visa and apply for the yearly extension based on marriage it goes under consideration for 30 days and you go back and get the year extension stamped into your passport then.

Extensions based on marriage, and raising children go under consideration for 30 days, ones based on being over 50 (retirement) are issued on the spot.
Richard *********
Can you change an ED Visa to Non O based on marriage inside Thailand or do I need to go to a consulate elsewhere?
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
No, you can't change a visa. BUT if you are on an extension of stay based on education (that you get from the immigration office every 90 days or so) you can change the REASON for your extension from education to marriage to a thai. You would need a letter from the school, cancel your current extension of stay and immediately apply for a new extension of stay based on marriage by meeting the financial and documentation requirements for that extension. It would go under consideration for a month, then you would go back and get the year extension stamped into your passport
Julinhio *********
Excellent, thank you. You should pin that at the top of your page
Terry **********
Had my yearly visa at Savannakhet last 3years and go in January for 4 th...had 15 months on each visa
James **********
This is a really good read and very informative just like most of the post on here. Thank you for taking your time to explain this
Mark ******
Thank you very much
@T**
. Which would be the easiest and cheapest between the ed visa and non o based on marriage?
Gareth **********
Definitely will be my preferred choice on the next occasion too! I thoroughly enjoy learning, but not been bent over a barrel and ...... haha
Mark ******
Thank you very much Gareth for this. Looks like I'll be heading to savannakhet then:)
Gareth **********
If you buy a course without needing the VISA, you will often find a better price! they put that up rather quickly along with the ED Visa package, plus then they normally will do the 90 day Immigration office procedure for you too, this will come at an extra fee over and above the 1900 baht!. Plus then your Thai learning could be done with greater flexibility rather than being tied into it with an ED Visa... this is only my opinion based on personal experience of course :)
Mark ******
@Gar***
, thanks for the comment. True , schools will make alot of money. However, I would like to learn Thai.
Gareth **********
Personal experience and taking in what Tod has given us here, The non O attained in Savannakhet will be the cheapest! ED visa, the schools make a lot of money from you (leave it at that)
Kenny *******
Thanks Tod. I have my visa issued from Savannakhet, Laos. So far so good, touch wood !

Great help and accurate information as always !
Ian *******
You can also extend an existing non-b for marriage, children rtf.
Tod *********
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Johann Muller what's harder to get is a yearly extension of stay from the immigration office based on supporting children. You can't even get it if you had the child out of wedlock and didn't go thru family court to get granted parental rights. :/ I know a LOT of people who end up getting those 90 day single entry visas from Savannakhet or Vientiane and then extending it by 60 days under the visit family clause.
Tod *********
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Johann Muller you can get a 90 day single entry Non-O visa based on taking care of children from the thai consulates in Vientiane or Savannakhet with just the birth certificate with your name on it and your passport.

You can get a year long, multi-entry Non-O for the same reason in Penang IF you have your name on the birth certificate and 400K baht in a bank account (no seasoning of funds required).
Ian *******
@Tod ********
- very clear, thanks
Ian *******
Johann Muller - yes the 'family visa' is a bit more complicated
Ian *******
Right well you can do that on a non-o or non-b was my point. No argument with your terminology.
Tod *********
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@Ian ******
the difference is in the terminology :/ Which as you might guess I'm a stickler for. ;)

A visa is a stamp (inside the country from immigrations) or a sticker (outside the country from a thai consulate ) that expires.

Before it expires you apply for an extension of stay at the immigration office.

Once you're on an extension of stay you can change the reason for your extension providing you meet the requirements for what you're extending for. Many people change from an extension based on employment to one based on marriage so that if they lose their job they don't lose their extension ;)
Ian *******
And the difference is what?
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
you can't extend a Non-B visa (or ANY visa ever), it expires when it expires :/

BUT

when it's time to apply for another year extension you can change the reason for your extension from employment to married to a thai or raising children :)
Somkit *********
Cheers Tod, you’re a good man!
Bennie *******
Well explained
Sholem *******
So, its all settled then, up to and no more than 17 months or 515 days on one visa right?
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
you use the visa for 15 months of stay (by timing the dates you bounce out and back in correctly) and then you extend the last 90 day entry by 60 days. That's 17 months ;)
Sholem *******
@Nittaya **************
please read the post, so you can know and understand the process.
Sholem *******
The first option of doing a year-long multi entry and getting stamped every 90 days, now you had stated that it can be stamped out and back in for up to 15 months, so then whats the next option?

Going back to Savannaket for another, new visa?
Sholem *******
Awesome! Thanks.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Once the visa itself expires and you've used that last 90 day entry (and the 60 day extension you can get also) the only options would be meeting the financial requirements to get an extension of stay in country OR going to the thai consulate and getting a new visa.
Johnsuma ******
Good, but maybe clever idea will be to make a PDF document with that and put it in the FILES I am sure it will be useful for lots of posterS...
Gareth **********
just save the post people facebook will save it for you
Geert ***************
Usefull Info is getting Lost because too many Posts...

Always Same Same Questions...
Missy *******
Is this the same for a woman marrying a thai?
Ruth **********************
Yes, that was my question. Thanks a lot again, Tod! Sorry if I wasn't clear hehe Have a nice one!
Tod *********
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@Ruth *********************
is what still applicable?

Foreign women married to thai men do not show proof of funds when getting yearly extensions of stays based on marriage.
Ruth **********************
@Tod ********
Is this still applicable?~
Tod *********
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there is no financial requirement for a foreign woman marrying a thai man. :)
Gareth **********
Excellently written and easy to understand. Worth saving the post people :)
Graham *******
This is incredibly interesting, but I can’t see myself getting married anytime soon.
Eddie ******
Hi. I have a Single entry Non O visa (90 days) from the Thai consulate at Penang. Would i be able to extend it for 30 or 60 days at Cheang Wattana immigration? I have a thai kid.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Johann It's not possible to get an extension based on marriage from Chaengwattana (either the 60 day visit family OR the year extension) without your wife with you. No matter if you have her i/d card or not.
Derek ***************
It is not possible to get an extension based on marriage at Korat Immigration without your wife as there are forms your wife needs to fill out.
Eddie ******
Thank you for your quick reply! :)
Derek ***************
Yes you can extend any entry stamp for 60 days based on having a Thai Child. If you are married some offices insist on extending based on your wife. I go to Korat immigration and they accept me extending based on my son or my wife if she is available to go to the office.
Derek ***************
@T**
you can extend each 90 day entry on a Multi entry Non Imm O Visa by 60 days at your local Immigration office if you have a Thai wife or child. So you can get 450 days and only need to exit Thailand twice after your initial 90 day entry.
Geert ***************
@Derek **************
Enter 90 Ext 60

Border 90 Ext 60

Border 90 Ext 60

Makes 450 Yes, and only 2 Borderruns Yes, but You Pay 3 Extensions while your Visum is still Valuable 🤔

It saves You Travelling to the Border, I understand yes 😀
Derek ***************
Why is it no use
@Ge***
. I get 450 days and only need to do a border run twice in a year. For me it is cheaper and more practical to do the extensions.
Geert ***************
@Derek **************
But it's no use to extend every Entry because the Yearvisum has a Limited Duration!

As Tod Stated 'maximum 17 months, 12+3+2'
Derek ***************
Yes it does
@Ge***
. Any entry stamp can be extended at your local Immigration office
Geert ***************
Having a Year Visum does NOT give you the Option to Extend Every 90 Day Entry... ⁉️
John-Paul **********
Oh, I see why you use your strategy. What I am saying she's it cheaper because of not having to get a new visa for 515 days, but you're worried about the time spent getting the visas, right?
Tod *********
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@De***
, ahh, okay, now we get to the point. (y)

Be that as it may, no matter how many 60 day extension you get while the visa is valid, you still can't wring more than 17 months in total out of it. :)
Derek ***************
It's cheaper and uses far less pages in your passport. I live a fair way away from a border crossing so getting the extension saves me a full day return journey to the border.
John-Paul **********
Your visa lasts 365 days. So, you can extend to 365+90= 455.

Then you're telling me I can extend 60 more, which is 515.
Derek ***************
90 + 60 =150 then 90 + 60 = 300 then 90 + 60 = 450 days. Your year multi entry expires during your 3rd 90 days.
Tod *********
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@De***
, It doesn't make a difference if you get 60 day extensions after every entry or not. The MOST you can get out of the visa itself is 15 months and then you could get a 60 day extension on the last entry taking you to 17 months. There's no other way to wring more time out of it.
John-Paul **********
Not to split hair, but wouldn't that be 365+90+60=515??
Derek ***************
Yes you can that is how you get the 450 days.
John-Paul **********
Can I do that after the visa experide but I'm still on the 90 day stamp?
Derek ***************
You go to your local Immi office with your Thai wife and ask for a 60 day extension to visit your wife. Cost is 1900 THB. You need original Marriage certificate and a copy. Also copies of your wife's I'D card and Tabien Bahn.
John-Paul **********
Can you explain how and how much it costs?
Tim ********
Great info... Thanks, Tod! 👍🏼
Nicolò ***********
In case of a year long multi entry non O visa based on marriage you say you can get 15 months out of it...but after that? I mean you can simply ask for another one or what the options?

Thanks
Tod *********
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@Ge***
, you can apply for a yearly extension of stay in Bangkok or Chiang Mai when you have 45 days or less left on your current stamp (other offices are 30 days or less) AND for extensions based on marriage you only EVER need the money seasoned for 2months.
Geert ***************
Conditions?

- 45 Days before Expiring

- Money in Bank 3 Months
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
I know people on their 5th or 6th yearly Non-O visa, so yep you can keep doing it
Robert *******
Thanks
@T**
, hopefully we will see people using the correct terms for a few days and not calling all stamps a Visa.
Christopher ***********
You put a lot of work into simplifying this Tod! Thank you very much.
Malcolm ********
So it's not possible to get a multi entry non immigration type O visa from inside Thailand?
Tod *********
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@Ge***
, you can buy a single re-entry permit every time you leave if you want to (y)
Geert ***************
@Tod ********
This means We have to decide about Buying Single/Multi Re-Entry when We leave Thailand the FIRST time...?

Or can We buy a Second Single Entry...?

🤔
Malcolm ********
Ok thanks tod
Tod *********
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@Mal****
, nope, you can be out as long of time as you want to as long as you're back inside the country before your extension expires so you could apply for another one.
Malcolm ********
Sorry to ask another question tod, but is there a maximum limit on time permitted outside of thailand using these re-entry permits. Work in oil and have sporadic shift patterns
Tod *********
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@Ge***
, a single re-entry permit is 1000baht and it means you can exit/re-enter the country once. A multiple re-entry permit is 3800baht and it means you can exit/re-enter the country as much as you want to.
Geert ***************
Tod What is the Cost of a Re-Entry Permit?

How many can You do?
Malcolm ********
Ok thanks for info
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
nope, you get a year extension THEN you buy a re-entry permit
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Please feel free to ask any question about the differences between these two things you want to.

However, questions NOT related to this topic will be deleted. Ask your questions in your own threads. This one is only so people understand the differences in these two things.

Thanx
Michael ********
Thank you Tod. Good information.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
This is a picture of what a 90 day Non-O visa looks like from the thai immigration office INSIDE the country and a yearly extension.
Geert ***************
What is the Cost of a Re-Entry Permit?

How many can You do?
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
This is a picture of what a year-long multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type O visa looks like from a thai consulate
Lance *******
I like the second one 😀
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