Are 90-day check-ins required for DTV visa holders in Thailand?

Aug 28, 2024
4 months ago
Bigd **********
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DTV, 90 day checkins?
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There is some confusion regarding the 90-day reporting requirement for holders of the DTV (Digital Nomad Visa) in Thailand. While some initially believed that the reporting was not required, it has been clarified by discussions among community members that DTV visa holders are indeed obligated to report every 90 days if they remain in Thailand. Furthermore, there is a discussion about tax residency, highlighting that individuals who stay in Thailand for over 180 days in a calendar year may become liable for taxes, with implications about filing and residency expectations.
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Ned *******
Bigd Thailand 100% YES. ALL long-term visas require 90-day check-ins. They didn't announce it now because the MFA bypassed Thai Immigration. Soon Thai Imm. will take control and announce the 90-day reporting requirement. Just a matter of time.
Ibrahim ******
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@Peter *********
I also reached out to immigration in Bangkok, got the following clarification. A TM.47 notification is required for the DTV.
Денис *********
but do you really have to leave the country every 180 days to renew?
David *******
@Денис ********
that’s what the conditions say
Денис *********
@David ******
I think this is absolutely necessary to do in order to avoid becoming a tax resident
Xiang *******
15 days
Peter **********
Email from immigration saying 90 day reporting is needed.
Brendon ************
@Peter *********
Which immigration is it from?
Peter **********
Tim ***********
@Brendon ***********
Thai immigration. It’s the law. It’s not a new thing.
Brendon ************
@Tim **********
I mean the city.
Tim ***********
@Brendon ***********
All immigrations would say the exact same thing though.
Brendon ************
Tim ***********
@Brendon ***********
prove me wrong.
Brendon ************
@Tim **********
Sorry, have no time nor goal for it. I believe, same for you.

Just collecting facts now.

Thanks,
@Peter *********
Lee ***********
I've read everything about the DTV visa and 90 day reporting hasn't been mentioned anywhere, this is the first I've seen it mentioned.
Paul ********
I haven't read "everything" but I've certainly seen the majority of people saying you will need to do a 90 day report, just like all the other longer than 90 day visas.
Ibrahim ******
Ray *****
@Lee **********
me too. It has never been clarified
Peter **********
If 90 day reporting is required, it doesn’t seem well documented on the visa.

What’s the usual consequence of not reporting ?
Nelson ******
@Peter *********
Fines and potential deportation if it’s beyond 2 weeks.
Paul *******
@Nelson *****
Nonsense. Only a fine.
Greg ********
@Nelson *****
I have never ever known anyone to be deported over not doing the 90 day report. Please link to some examples. There is nothing here says anything about deportation
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Greg ********
@Peter *********
I do not know if DTV needs to report but if it is same as other viisas. Not reporting can be a 2k Baht fine. You also need it for an extension. Certificate of Residence etc. It takes about 20 minutes to do in person most offices and after first time can be done online
Ibrahim ******
@Peter *********
yeah I saw nothing about 90 day reporting, where is everyone getting this from?
Tim ***********
@Ibrahim *****
Why would there be something about 90 day reporting (which is under immigration) be on a visa information form issued by an embassy? If you are on a visa in Thailand, you must do 90 day reporting. No questions about it.
Ibrahim ******
@Tim **********
becuase it would be helpful to advise those who are applying, Visa's are linked to immigration no? Some of us have never been to Thailand and may not be fully aware of the requirements.
Tim ***********
@Ibrahim *****
I understand but you mentioned it so you knew about it right? In any case it’s required. You’re hearing it here :). No doubt about it. All foreigners in Thailand must do 90 day reporting. You won’t see it under visa requirements. Would it be helpful? Maybe but it’s known law here. They are separate entities and it’s under the immigration act. Embassies issue the visa. Immigration enforces it.
Tim ***********
@Ibrahim *****
also someone called them embassy to confirm. Which he didn’t need to call because if you stay in Thailand more than 90 days you have to report. Your landlord should register your tm30 to help you
Ibrahim ******
@Tim **********
I reached out to immigration, and they confirmed a TM.47 is required. Now it's clear 👍
Tim ***********
@Ibrahim *****
yes and make sure you get your landlord to do the TM30 form and give you a picture of it
Greg ********
@Ibrahim *****
It is not clear yet if 90 day reporting required. Even if it is there is nothing to it.
Roberto *********
Yes definitely
John ********
Yes if you stay over 90 days you need to do the 90 day report
Thomas *******
Tim ***********
@Thomas ******
you are categorically wrong. You will need to do 90 day reporting on the DTV visa. If not, get ready for the reprocussions.
Brendon ************
@Tim **********
Do you have any proof ?

I'm just wondering how many people here argue with "Yes/No" w/o any sustain.

Yes, i'm informed about IMMIGRATION ACT, B.E. 2522 (1979) Section 37 (5), but there were no such kinds of visa since it was signed.

My opinion: only practices will show it in about next 2 months.
Tim ***********
@Brendon ***********
well no except that the immigration act states it. That’s the law I would go by. It doesn’t say except for people on a dtv visa. Of course the dtv wasn’t around then but it’s not about a visa. It’s about foreigners required to report if you stay in the kingdom more than 90 days.
Brendon ************
@Tim **********
It's off-topic here but just a little trait. What could you say about TM.47 exception for ED visa? It's prolongated every 3 months but you stay in the country more than 90 days and don't have to fill it out.
Maksym ***********
Brendon Grimshaw in May I get paper in my passport with request to do 90 day report when get my first extension of ED visa... So you are wrong.
Tim ***********
@Brendon ***********
you do have to do 90 day reporting for Ed visa.
Brendon ************
@Tim **********
I don't say your logic is wrong. But anything can be changed. This visa breaks a lot of practices stayed in place fore decades. Let's just see.
Jason *********
You do get one time in country extension for a total of 360 days but still have to go to immigration..
Tod *********
@Jason ********
which has nothing to do with 90 day reporting
Jason *********
@Tod ********
there's no 90 day reporting read the comments
Tim ***********
@Jason ********
do some research and learn first before making incorrect and misleading statements. The TM47 (aka 90 day reporting) is required under immigration law for all foreigners.
Roberto *******
No, you do not have to check in every 90 days. You will however, have to leave the kingdom every 180 days so that you do not become a Thai tax citizen, and when you go back, the 180 days will reset.

**Correction** Yes you do, please read on...
Angelo ***********
@Roberto ******
you have to check in every 90 days. And you do not have to leave the Kingdome if you do a visa extension for 1900THB after 180 days.
Paul ********
If you leave and come back there is no re-evaluation of your DTV credentials. If you extend in Thailand, you are basically applying again and need to re-submit the paperwork to get approved and hope it still works. I'll be leaving before 180 days for the next 5 years so I don't have to stress about this.
Roberto *******
Tod *********
@Roberto ******
sorry that's BAD information. The DTV is not exempt from 90 day reporting and you are indeed obligated to report if you're in the country 90 days 🙂

AND

unless I am mistaken you become a tax resident the second you hit 180 days,

That's the reason they came up with this visa in the first place, to rope as many foreigners in to the obligation of filing tax on the money they bring in 😛

Don't you think it was awfully coincidental that the number of days you get 180 days is exactly the number of days you need to be here to become liable to file tax?
Andy **********
@Tod ********
Tim Gascoigne if the DTV can be obtained with a few cooking classes, or muay Thai classes, why would someone give all their financial information to the authorities of any country, how do you know they are not saving all that information, and could use it against someone that doesn't file a tax return, a lot of the digital nomads will just continue to hide in hotel room somewhere, and not do anything, the same as they have always done, who knows in a couple of years time, they may chase all of them, for unpaid income tax.
Angelo ***********
@Andy *********
That is exactly what I would do, chase them for not paying their taxes. Roads, Sky Trains, Hospitals, Schools are not paid by "magical beings" but by the taxes people pay on their income. If you want to live in Thailand and ride nearly cost free buses and nearly cost free Sky Trains, but do not like to share the money to the community, you live in: Up to You - as the Thai say.

But the Indians say: Karma is a bitch.
Tim ***********
@Tod ********
no. I don’t think it has anything to do with taxes. At first I did but not anymore. They aren’t concerned with our small money we remit to Thailand. Maybe the very wealthy but not the average digital nomad. They could care less in my opinion.
Roberto *********
@Tim **********
The DTV isn't just for digital nomads
Tim ***********
@Roberto ********
no one said it was. There are three categories. Your comment has nothing to do with the topic being replied about.
Roberto *********
Tim ***********
@Roberto ********
It still doesnt change my comment about taxes. We are small fish. Digital nomads, people doing muay Thai classes, whatever...its all the same.
Roberto *********
@Tim **********
That I agree with. The same with retirees living in Thailand, and tourists who are here for just over 180 days in the year. The change in the tax laws is targeting the millionaire Thais (and by that I mean dollar millionaires) who have avoided paying tax on large sums by delaying transfer into the country. If people have already paid tax overseas and bring that money into Thailand, the Thai Tax Authorities are not going to spend thousands of baht trying to recover hundreds
Shayne **********
@Tim **********
Thailand are looking for any money they can get and yes while it's actually aimed at mega Rich Thai people it's going to get everyone in the net.

But if you're paying the taxes you are supposed to in your own jurisdiction, then you will generally have nothing to worry about.

Many double tax agreements are in place for countries around the world. Even say you will still have to get a Tax ID.
Tod *********
@Tim **********
opinions are like a**holes 😮 everybody has one 😛

It might indeed be chump change as far as the money people on the DTV bring IN to the country to live here

BUT

they're handing this visa out to every Tom, Dick and Somchai foreigner almost for the asking (by that I mean the bar is set so low if you can't get a DTV you need to go back to where you came from) 😉

remember one baht from a million people is still a million baht 😉

I just found it coincidental that shortly after the spend 180 days in thailand during the year because a "resident for tax purposes" was announced they came out with a magical visa where people get stamped in for, you got it, 180 days 🙂
Roberto *******
@Tod ********
just got off the phone with the Thai embassy, and yes, you will still need to do 90 day reporting, so thank you and
@Greg *******
for pointing this out. I was indeed, misinformed.

They did say that I would be able to report online though, rather than in person, which is a good thing.

Also, the 180 days in Thailand **per calendar year** rather than “consecutively” to become a Tax citizen is also something I was misinformed about. I’m really glad these groups exist, as there is so much misinformation hovering around.

Will have to rethink a few things here!
Greg ********
@Roberto ******
The 90 day reporting is not onerus. The first time has to be done in person then subsequently can be done online. I did my 90 day in person the other week and it took about 10 minutes. Nothing for anyone to worry about.
Kevin ********
@Roberto ******
most of the misinformation comes from the groups. That and TikTok
Greg ********
@Roberto ******
I think you mean Thai Tax Resident and not citizen. You are a Thai Tax Resident if you spend over 180 days in Thailand in a calendar year which is the Thai Tax year ie start January till end December. That 180 days in a year is not reset if you leave and return in the case of Tax.
Stefano ********
@Greg *******
what's tha calculation for the taxes in this case?
Greg ********
@Stefano *******
If you are a Thai Tax resident? I will give a link to the standard tax calculator. It is only money you bring into Thailand and even then this is newly implemented for 2024. There is also any Tax Agreement with your country or where you have earned the money It is a wait-and-see situation.
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Angelo ***********
@Greg *******
180 days, not 280 days.
Greg ********
@Angelo **********
Thanks. Spotted my typo. Will change it
Angelo ***********
@Greg *******
Happens to the best to us :D
Seb ********
Yes you’ll have to do 90 day reports if you stay for that long.
Aung ************
180
Paul *******
Roberto Stephen, LOL.
Roberto *********
@Aung ***********
Wrong. 90 days
Aung ************
@Roberto ********
sorry I got misunderstanding, 90 day report. I’m not sure DTV need to do this.
Roberto *********
@Aung ***********
DTV must do 90-day report
Thomas *******
Roberto *********
Brendon ************
@Roberto ********
How do you know?
Roberto *********
@Brendon ***********
It's already been reported on PR Thai website
Brendon ************
@Roberto ********
Can't find, have a link?
Roberto *********
@Brendon ***********
No, you'll have to scroll through the lot!
Aung ************
@Roberto ********
I think it will cost 1900 THB right?
Roberto *********
@Aung ***********
90 day report costs nothing
Aung ************
@Roberto ********
thx, I'm still confused about visa fees for every 180 days, some are say 1900 THB and some are
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THB.
Roberto *********
@Aung ***********
DTV is 10,000 baht for five years, extensions are 1900 baht
Jason *********
No
Tod *********
@Jason ********
not correct DTV visa holders are indeed required to do 90 day reporting at the immigration office