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Will Thailand ever introduce a digital nomad visa?

Clarissa *****
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Hi I was reading so much about a digital nomad visa for thailand, because Indonesia is actually about to start one (that’s what I read) will there ever be one for digital Nomads here in thailand ?
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The community is actively discussing the potential introduction of a digital nomad visa in Thailand, spurred by Indonesia's plans. Users express skepticism about such a visa being available, noting that any official policy will likely require strict employment verification and substantial income proof. Some commenters question the practicality of a visa that seems to require nomads to stay put rather than travel freely. They also mention other types of visas available, such as the NON-O visa for family visits and requirements for marriage and retirement visas in Thailand.
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Reluctant *******
Reluctant *******
Why argue? I just picked up my Digital Nomad visa last week at a 7-11. I can now stay as long as I want and do whatever I want. I can now shove my GoPro in anyones face that I want video, and I can shoot video of anything I want. I am exempt from the new privacy rules as long as I post the video on my YouTube channel.
W **************
W **************
Wow! That’s a lot of arguing over a hypothetical visa that doesn’t even exist yet. At least wait for the visa to be setup and the details to be approved and broadcast before fighting about it.
Don *********
Don *********
Read Richard Barrow In Thailand - recently he posted an official sounding update from a government ministry on this subject
Don *********
Don *********
From the Richard Barrow post:

Work-From-Thailand Professional

- Personal income of no less than $80,000/year in the past two years before applying for the visa. In case of annual personal income below $80,000 but no less than $40,000 in the past two years, applicants must have a master's degree (or above), own intellectual property, or receive Series A funding

- Health insurance policy of no less than $50,000 coverage through the entire period of stay in Thailand or social security healthcare, which insures hospitalization treatment in Thailand.

- At least five years of working experience in the relevant field to the current employment.

- Current employer must have one of the following characteristics;

(a) a public company listed on the stock exchange in any country

(b) a private company that has been in operation for at least three years and has total combined revenue of more than $150 million in the last three years

So no, doesn't seem to cater to wandering nomads..
Clarissa *****
Clarissa *****
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@Don ********
I think I’ve read it but is it really for „normal“ digital nomads?
Beverly **********
Beverly **********
I find it interesting and amusing that a NOMAD visa for Thailand wants you to NOT be a nomad 555 Seriously!

Nomads usually move around, travel, visit other countries. Thailand wants them to park themselves in Thailand and bring a suitcase full of verified income and documents.

It is far easier to actually be a tourist nomad in Thailand. Come in, stay as long as you can, go somewhere else, come back some other time.
Beverly **********
Beverly **********
*FYI I do work for a company and earn a reliable income, and they will allow me to live wherever. I doubt I will use the Thailand version of a nomad visa while there.
DK *****
DK *****
I lived both in Indo and Thailand. Different situations here. Indo needs to be more open to the world whereas Thailand has been open for a long time. However, I don't think it's cheap to get a legal status in Thailand. Both countries are very protective.
Clarissa *****
Clarissa *****
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@DK ****
sorry I don’t know what you mean. I also don’t understand the non o visa it says visit family or friends in Thailand. Is it only for Thai people overseas ?
DK *****
DK *****
@Clarissa ****
That's the marriage visa. You need to deposit 400,000 THB in the bank for 3 months a year for that. 800,000 THB if you are 50 or older for a retirement visa.
Ken ********
Ken ********
@DK ****
on the marriage and retirement you can obtain visa from income too.

40,000b income per month for marriage and 65k per month for retirement
Kool *******
Kool *******
There will be, but not what you envision. There will be employment verification requirements, and past and current yearly earning requirements verified by tax filings. It will not be for the wayward backpacker traveling the world with a podcast, Facebook page, YouTube postings, calling themselves a digital nomad. They will have to be actually working for a ligitimate company, making a decent living, and paying their taxes.
Dror *********
Dror *********
@Kool ******
im working for a ligitimate company. I am no where bear earning 80,000$ a year which is 6,700$ a month otherwise i woyld already buy elite. Dont be stupid and dont judge , each case by his own you moron
Sam *********
Sam *********
@Kool ******
yea, it’s only gonna get more difficult
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
@Kool ******
I guess the most tax friendly option is the Thai Elite visa for 5-20 years, but it’s not cheap.
Steven ***************
Steven ***************
@Miguel ************
. Can't work on an elite visa. Get caught and your money is gone when they cancel it
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
Native ****************
Native ****************
@Miguel ************
The post spoke about <the argument of taking a risk>... Although I will admit if nobody knows about it, the risk is limited, but as the post was asking if <there is actually a risk>... Another one I just thought about is there is a Thai Police task force dedicated strictly to monitor Online activities and they have access to all the Bot technology available, so for anyone thinking they don't have time to monitor everything, it's good to be realistic about what technology can do and what tools are being used. Good to note, in most developed countries it takes a Judge warranting a search (=Search Warrant) prior to any Police doing a house visit, but here in Thailand,
@P**
ice are known for acting on a tip and just showing up as well as very well known for confiscating things for inspection, so that in fact this is one of the risks. Perhaps a good read recommendation is all 3 books of <Investigations of a Private Eye> which have priceless information and quite an entertaining read for those wanting to spend quality time in the Land of Smiles. Shoke dee na pi!
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
@Native ***************
the Police goes to people’s homes unannounced for all sorts of reasons in any country of the world.

I am sure there will be a proper nomad visa eventually, what I don’t think is constructive is feeding people’s irrational fears because it is not impossible that something will happen and defending it as feasible based on nothing.
Native ****************
Native ****************
@Miguel ************
I believe the post read: <The argument that you're taking a risk, not so much, unless you can show a real example how that is actually a risk.> Not saying this will happen and truly hope it doesn't, but the fact is, it does definitely happen and Police do go to people homes unannounced... Important to note, in a constructive debate there is no place for casting judgment, so perhaps check out <On the up side> post just a few seconds later. Also, as mentioned in numerous posts including well known and respected Richard Barrow as well as Group Expert, Stuart Cummings, although nothing is official yet, there has been talk about establishing a Nomad Visa for a few years now, but with the effects of Covid requiring many to work online, Thai Gvt as acknowledged the new normal of Covid as brought forth a much greater demand for this type of Nomad Visa and the Gvt have formally expressed the greater need to take a serious look into how to implement this new type of Visa and has mentioned in Mr Barrow's report, there has been formal talks and more to come.
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
@Native ***************
I don’t need a lecture on what the Thai police can and cannot do. You’re welcome to offer me one reason why they would do the above so that your fear mongering exercise isn’t totally pointless and out of context, if you like.
Native ****************
Native ****************
@Miguel ************
On the up side, there are some industries that have received special consideration by the Thai Gvt which allows a foreigner to open a Business and get a Work Permit without having to hire 4 Thai staff along with a few other favorable considerations. Just look it up and you might be able to find some ideas. Hope this helps and best of luck!
Native ****************
Native ****************
@Miguel ************
Risk is 4 or 5 motivated by the potential for money Policemen all showing up at your location and confiscating computer and phone for inspection... That is the risk my friend, what happens next is not gonna be Sabaii Sabaii sure ;o)
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
@Kool ******
earning income is not incompatible with having a Thai Elite application approved.
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
@Steven **************
there are many reasons why one would buy a Thai Elite visa. I am not a candidate, but anyone in my situation, that works and travels constantly and has a 3-month cap in most countries need only earn $3-4k for it to be worth his while. There are many other reasons why one would spend an average of $350/month for a long-term visa, but I can see that creativity isn't your forte...

I see that you're not an expert on tax matters. Don't feel too bad about it.

As for not understanding that I was likening the two cases to illustrate how closely the law is followed in Thailand, that's ok, I could tell you'd struggle. Have a nice evening.
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Miguel ************
when you apply for that visa you will be required to provide verifiable documentation, and ligitimate tax filing documents that verify your income.
Steven ***************
Steven ***************
@Miguel ************
you should pay more attention to what I wrote.. what possible reason would someone have to spend that much money on a very long term visa just to think it will give you a green light to not pay tax here? Can do same on a free visa ffs

..

What part of "nomad" confuses you??

Being a digital nomad doesn't make you a genius. Go ahead and pay income tax in a country you aren't living in, qhilst paying thailand just as much or more to stay here pretending your not working, probably more than your tax would be anyway. real smart..

Comparing prostitution to this is ridiculous.. police here get a cut of that activity, they get nothing from you "nomads" unless you are stupid enough to pay millions of baht for a visa that gives you no work rights.
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
@Dror ********
can you imagine this guy? Pure cognitive dissonance. So convinced that your money is at jeopardy if you work in Thailand and cannot offer a single practical example to support his case. He probably doesn’t even know what a large share of foreigners in Chiang Mai are digital nomads, it is quite famous for that in the global community. They must be on work visas, lol. In many cases, they don’t even have an employer, they just freelance.

Business visa, lol… People that live in a bubble.

Hey, Steven, it’s a good thing that prostitution is illegal in Thailand, eh? Can you imagine if there were go go bars and red lights districts in Thailand? What a scandal that would be!
Dror *********
Dror *********
@Miguel ************
you are right the other are just fear mongerers
Steven ***************
Steven ***************
Thinking immigration is ignorant is a mistake. With an elite visa they already have your money up front. They don't give a shit.
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
@Steven **************
so you can't. I thought so. And investing in a business is not a matter of choice for most people.
Steven ***************
Steven ***************
@Miguel ************
. Ok . Take the risk. Potentially lose all you spent on an elite visa and get banned from entering Thailand for up to 5 years. You can do the same on any other visa for a fraction of the outlay.
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
@Steven **************
the ethical argument, I accept. The argument that you're taking a risk, not so much, unless you can show a real example how that is actually a risk.
Steven ***************
Steven ***************
It's income tax free because you don't and can't pay thai income tax

.. because you can't work here on it..
Steven ***************
Steven ***************
@Miguel ************
. States clearly in application that you can't be employed or operate a business in Thailand on an elite visa.

Getting caught and doing it are two different things. That's the risk you take. Why spend millions of baht on a visa when tou can invest it in a business here and be legit and keep the money?
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
@Steven **************
I find that hard to believe when they advertise it as income tax free. Besides, how does that work in practice, finding out you're working? Nomads do stuff on the computer, what are they going to do, go around asking people with laptops in cafes to prove that their internet browsing isn't work?
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@Kool ******
yes that’s what I mean 🙂 nothing related to social media ☺️
Miguel *************
Miguel *************
Nothing official in Indonesia either, just plans to implement… eventually.
Stuart *********
Stuart *********
Much talked about over the years but nothing official as yet.

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