The new Long Term Visas. Does anyone have information on this third visa. i employed by a very large overseas company and want to work digitally in Thailand.My salary is paid into a Singapore bank account.
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The discussion revolves around the new Long Term Visa in Thailand aimed at remote workers and digital nomads. Key concerns include eligibility based on the employer's company status (public vs. private), required documentation, tax implications, and the potential difficulties associated with the visa's annual reporting requirement. Participants share personal experiences with visa applications and discuss the implications of working remotely for large companies in Thailand, as well as the financial stability proofs required for the visa.
I feel that this new visa will flounder. It really does little more than some of the others can cover and requires a financial requirement that will put folks off as it will make no sense from a financial perspective. But as this is Thailand... we will have to see what will actually happen and.
i agree but some special circumstances like mine. I am employed in singapore, have work contract there. but most of my work can be done by sitting behind a computer in Thailand
Wonder how this LTR will play out, especially with the reporting side. How can the BOI circumvent the immigration act section 37 which clearly states Aliens must report to immigration every 90 days. Considering the BOI have no jurisdiction over visas, it is a good trick to offer yearly reporting. Very interesting indeed.
Ruth *******
The larger the company, the less likely they are to allow a digital nomad.
Don *********
I see what you're saying Ruth, yes they want bona fide employees of big Corporations, with remote work contracts. There are lots of us out here already and many more that would like to join us I'm sure :)
I don’t think so. I could be wrong. However, contractors are businesses and those are different visas. I’m not an expert on Thai law, but in most places, that is the case. The Thai visa says “employees”. Meanwhile, if you’re a contractor and you register under this visa, you become official 🙂 and you’ll want to be sure you’re meeting all the legal and financial obligations of your native country (as well as Thailand, of course) for doing business overseas, since you are the business, not your company.
I have no doubt that companies of any size don’t care where their remote CONTRACTORS reside. Employees are very different.
Also there are many people (often with Thai partners) who work for Corporations overseas and spend as many weeks as they can in Thailand (holidaying and working remotely) - they would also qualify, even if their contract doesn't specifically mention remote working.
Hybrid/remote vs. internationally remote are two very different things. Also, throwing hybrid and remote workers into one category misleading. For example, I know someone interviewing with Splunk. Their "remote" workers are go into the office once a week. Would you fly back and forth once a week?
Meanwhile, I have no doubt that companies like Apple and Microsoft that already have employees in Thailand would have the mechanisms to add others. Large companies that don't already have that presence are a very different thing.
And those folks "holidaying" while working are technically doing so illegally. No one really cares, but it's not legal. That's not the discussion here.
the whole point of the Professionals Working From Thailand LTR visa is to legalise what is already going on, and encourage those people to spend more weeks of every year in Thailand, and of course part with their hard earned cash on Thai goods and services
you are correct. My apologies. Digitalr nomads are generally the people Tik Toking, etc.. However, the term has been used in reference to this visa, so I’m using it.
Contracts for remote workers? Sure. Contractors are not employees and don’t have the same international, legal liabilities to the employer. The visa requires one be an employee of a company. There’s a difference.
I don't know what officials have told you the opposite, but numerous articles have been written about how larger companies have even been slow to adopt WFH now that the pandemic is slowing. Do you have anything to backup what "the officials" have told you?
what is WFH? The basis of Thailand’s selection is wealthy people not the company- the written requirement is 150,000 million in sales that’s a larger company
WFH is "work from home". If you were following this issue, you'd be familiar with the jargon. Yeah, I know that the requirement of $150M is to attract people with steady income (not "wealthy people" per say). I believe I clearly referenced "large companies". Annual sales is general how the size of a company is determined. SMH.
The restriction may shoot them in the foot. As Ham has stated, a company can have a large number of sales and not actually be profitable. For example, Uber has over $25B in annual sales, but it's not profitable.
well I am working from home as the CTO of company working on climate adaptation for 12 years. I would suggest kindly a less arrogant mode and something more collaborative
This generally applies to everyone who earns a very high income and has to pay 17% taxes here with the new visa. I'd instead get all the other available visa options: multi-entry tourist, education. Would get all other options before paying 17% with an expensive visa
If you are self employed you only pay 15.3% in taxes to the US, unless you make more than $104,000.
If not self employed then anything under $104,000 that is considered foreign earned(ie you are living out of country) then you dont pay tax on that. Anything over the $104,000 you pay tax on at the percentage of your tax bracket for gross income.
If you pay taxes in another country other than the US it is deducted from your tax liability in the US.
So basically most people that are not self employed don’t pay any tax or barely any.
Typically only the self employed get stick still paying US taxes.
only pitfall, there is that $104,000 limit, and a tax treaty so you only should pay the higher of the Thai or American tax, but there is no Social Security treaty, the US Social Security. You may be stuck for either seven or 15% of your earned income, regardless of where it is earned. BTW, as far as income, not being taxed in Thailand, if it’s not brought over in the year that it’s earned, you could always transfer money from your savings that you had before the current year.
I am working for a large publicly traded company and my tax bill is quite large. My compensation is normalized such that I was living in the US. Taxes are due on school costs, housing costs, and other benefits. My global effective rate usually ends up in the low 20% range due to other US tax breaks.
well then you clearly still have things inside the US that obviously you would be accountable for paying tax on.
There is nothing normal about not having to pay tax on up to $104,000.
If you are paying 20% then you either don’t qualify for foreign earned income which means your comment is irrelevant or you make so much money that I sure don’t have sympathy for you complaining about taxes and maybe you should be paying more.
Also it seems the way you are structured that you wouldn’t even qualify for foreign earned income. Unless I am understanding your comment wrong.
House in the states, kids in private schools etc..
, not looking for sympathy but just want to understand the structure to best take advantage of being a global executive residing in Thailand. I am earning income in multiple countries from multiple businesses and the taxes are complicated. no doubt. Some income is in China and they charge 45% for high income earners, that creates a credit in the US but my company covers the tax burden. I cannot use that for other unrelated income. I could divert some pay to Thailand to pay the 17% however the US will true it up to my effective rate from the zero to 104k.
I applied for this yesterday, fingers crossed. Someone has warned me that the 1 year reporting event entails resubmitting all your paperwork again, this time to Immigration rather than BOI
Basing it on sales instead of profits shows a lack of insight and understanding. It’s not how much they sale, but how much they keep. So if a company sales only a million a year, but has a 30-40-50% profit margin / commission, it’s not enough? But if a company is huge but on the verge of bankruptcy, that’s stable enough for a visa?
Simone **********
May I pm you as we plan to do the same and I do have some questions regarding taxation ?
so same as me. Should not need to pay taxes in Thailand
Nick **********
For those who need to pay taxes in Thailand, don't have to pay on the income from abroad as long as it isn't transferred into Thailand in the same year.
Jo **********
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Nick MuayPlam thank you Nick. But i have to pay rent here. So I will transfer money
I have my application filled out but I'm waiting until September 12th to submit it since the letter you get when they approve is only valid for 60 days and my arrival is November 10th.
yep. I originally wanted to get it from the embassy here before I left, but they decided they were going to charge about 57,000 baht based on the terrible exchange rate they gave, instead of the 50,000 it actually costs. So I'm waiting to pickup the visa in Thailand and save that money.
Jo **********
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the only part is says something about a ‘work permit if required’ I am not intended to get I hope that’s ok
If the company is publicly listed on a stock market it should be easy. If it's a privately held company, you might have problems since the visa requires you to provide financial statements for the company showing their income over the last 3 years.