What are the best visa options for digital nomads moving to Chiang Mai, Thailand?

Nov 27, 2021
3 years ago
Zai ****************
ORIGINAL POSTER
Hi, need some advice. I'm looking to move to Chiang Mai next year with my partner (unmarried). I am British and my partner is Malaysian. We are digital nomads. Any advice regarding visas? Can't afford to shell out for an Elite Visa, but want to do things properly and not worry about the online work we will be doing. 😊 Any advice?
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A digital nomad, a British national, is seeking advice about moving to Chiang Mai with their Malaysian partner. They want to ensure they adhere to visa regulations without resorting to expensive options like the Elite Visa. The conversation covers various visa options, emphasizing the need for work permits for legal employment, the limitations of Tourist and Special Tourist visas, and the potential upcoming 'Smart Visa' for digital nomads. Participants discuss the risks of working on a tourist visa and share personal experiences with visa management in Thailand.
David ********
There are 100% legit education visas available. I don’t believe the hype.
Terary **********
I have been a digital nomad in Thailand for about 7 years, kinda lost track, Thailand will do that to you.

I have done years of Tourist Visas. In the era of Covid I was on a volunteer visa. That seems to not be an option any more.

Any of your visa options will be questionable/illegitimate. The question really, is what will work. As for your Malay partner, I think they have different and more favorable options (ASEAN member).

I take a certain risk but I think its worth it and I am aware of the consequences.

If you are refused entry you can try entering from a different port of entry. I have read, in this group, people being rejected at one port of entry, going to another and getting in without issue.

Airport immigration may refuse you entry, in which you have may have different options available to you, - Return to the country you came from, go to a different country, or return to your home country. The options available depend on your immigration officer. I have read some people are required to go to their home country while others are given options.

If I am feeling nervous I will choose to cross a land border, if I am feeling brave I will enter through the airport.

Twice I have been 'spoken to' by immigration supervisors. Once at the airport and one in Nong Khai (Lao border). Both times the the immigration officer was pretty cool. They told me this, that, and the other thing. But they always told me "when you come back", never did they tell me "don't come back".

I think a lot has to do with your personality and attitude when dealing with border immigration officers. I think some people act like entitled dick-heads and get treated as such.

be respectful and grateful and you should be ok.

The airport immigration supervisor (mentioned above) told me doing back to back visa runs was ok but I should stay away for a couple of weeks. So I go some place (Seoul, Vietnam, Bali, etc) stay a couple of weeks.

Thai embassy in Australia offer multiple entry visas with various different requirements.
Bobby ********
Terary Apellido. Pretty sound advice.
Andaman ****************************************************
BOI offer smart visa for digital nomad..maybe helpful
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Ադամ ********
Still nothing police can do about it unless you are paid by clients in Thailand. Nobody can police what somebody does on a laptop or phone calls all day.
Andaman ****************************************************
Check this one, BOI just lauch new acheme smart visa for gital normads who wants to live here.
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Tony *******
Thai visa.com try to use a professional service why your visa is for work not just pleasure .worth the fee in the long run.
Have *******
There is literally no way anyone could know you are working remotely unless you ring the police and tell them
Andaman ****************************************************
Check this one...
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Bobby ********
Dave Hodge. Or someone else rings the police, such as a jilted girlfriend or a jealous neighbour. Do not kid yourself that it doesn't happen
Michael ********
Try Malta until they get there act together.
Roman **********
"In December 2020, Thailand's Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration approved a proposal from the Thailand Board of Investment (BOI) which would allow freelancers and digital nomads to work In Thailand for up to four years under the pre-existing "Smart Visa" program. The proposal is currently waiting for approval from the Thai Cabinet and not yet in force."

There might be a solution for digital nomads in the works.
Ադամ ********
@Roman *********
What we’re the ridiculous conditions? Something like “They are representatives of online companies personally booking $ 500,000 USD per annum of online sales😀 “
Bobby ********
Roman Philippi. It's actually been "in the works" for about five years. However, it may be closer now although there are some conditions to meet. An applicant has to prove they are earning minimum US$40,000 per year, which I imagine is to ensure they pay a minimum income tax in Thailand, although this doesn't entitle them to social security and hence must carry $100,000 of health insurance. This will not deter most digital nomads, but there will still be plenty who prefer to work under the radar.
David *******
If you are under 50 there really isn’t a fully legitimate way for you to stay in Thailand long term. You could get a Special Tourist visa which gives you up to 270 days - but no guarantee that visa will continue beyond next September. Otherwise it’s a Tourist Visa and then you’d leave the country every 90 days and get a new visa (unless they continue Covid extensions).

Otherwise, you pay an agent for a year visa (Education or Volunteer).

None of these allow you to legally work in Thailand but if you are working on a computer in your apartment and don’t tell anyone then you are unlikely to be found out.
Bobby ********
Ryan Gregurich. The last couple of months. Visa agents can't get illegal ED and "volunteer" visas
Simeon **********
@Bobby *******
If he goes to a language school he should be able to get an ED visa to study there as well.
Bobby ********
Simeon Zahariev. Yes, he can get a legitimate ED visa. I was referring to the bogus ED visas, where you don't have to actually attend any lessons
Bobby ********
David Cymru. The bogus ED and volunteer visas are not available at this stage, as immigration offices have had a senior management shake-up and all illicit visas have been put on hold
Ryan ***********
@Bobby *******
since when
Chan *************
@Bobby *******
really ?😗😗😗. i was planning that.
Stéfan ********
@Chan ************
Chiangmai university has a Thai language program
Bobby ********
Whichever way you look at it, working in Thailand requires a work permit. Unless your company is prepared to set up a subsidiary in Thailand and employ you, you will be working illegally. Many do it of course, but if you're caught out, you will probably get booted, so keep that in mind
Zai ****************
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Bobby *******
If I got a job working part time as an English teacher, does that work permit allow me to do my online work too? I don't know if you know.
Delvonte ********
@Zai *****
Digital work is a gray area in immigration law across the world. If Warren Buffet trades a stock in England is it considered work? Well it is stock!!? Well there's this thing called Day Trading. The intent of immigration laws related to working is to take away the likelihood of a foreign individual stealing a job from a local. In this case there is no job theft.
Bobby ********
Zai Joud. Only if your employer agrees to this, and only if the "other job" complies with Thailand requirements
Brett *********
@Bobby *******
what was noted as the work on your work permit? They are usually specific. I have not heard of multi-purpose work permits before.
Bobby ********
@Brett ********
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Bobby ********
Brett Wilkins. You can get a secondary job entered on your work permit, but it needs the approval of the main employer. This is usually most common where an English teacher works for two different employers
Brett *********
@Zai *****
a work permit only allows the stipulated work. Not any work.
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