What should I do if my landlord refuses to provide a copy of the house registration for my Non-O visa extension in Thailand?

Something that is being overlooked here is that the average foreign homeowner or condo owner will not have their name in a bluebook

When the business owner creates an online account to report TM30 to the Thai immigration they MUST upload 2 documents: their Thai national ID and their house book ! So once the business, hotel or a landlord, reports TM30 online and gives a copy to the tourist, immigration SHOULD NOT ask any further information about the owner because those information ARE already in the system, Thai immigration have the copy of National ID and the house book, all are uploaded while creating the account. I created two such accounts so my TM30 can be reported online, I know the procedure.

Demandez lui une photo de son blue book ou a défaut du chapitre.

can't. copy need original

They want you go and pay for privat Office. Is more Money inside comming for him.

Le tabien baan est lié au lieu de domicile du propriétaire. Peut-être veulent-il un Chanot du land office?

I asked my landlord for a copy last week and she sent it right over, I don't think it's an issue.

You are not responsible for your landlord's decision.

Move to Cambodia no visa problem

Das macht der Vermieter bestimmt dass geht soweit ich weiß um das Besitzbuch. Davon möchten Sie eine Kopie für dieses Objekt.

Been renewing mine foe 20 years, never ask for this. Not a problem, because the house is in my sister-in-laws name, if it ever came up.

If only the UK had the same stringent rules...

Same old shit - what a nightmare to try and retire in Thailand.

Do you think your landlord hasn’t experienced this situation before?! Just ask them!

How did you do the TM30 without a copy of the landlord's tabian baan?

Ask him to photo it, and make a photo copy of it. I had to do the same, the owner should have no worries at all.

Oui c est obligatoire pour vérifier si il est le propriétaire.c est normal.

Standard practice in my experience. Imm always wants a copy of house book and landlord ID.

Only reason he will have for not giving you a copy is because he is dodging paying tax ..

What’s wrong with a TM30?

They want to check landlord tax return.

To prevent further problems, request a yellow house book for your address. This is a time-consuming and expensive process, but it will prevent problems in the future. If you have no plans to move however.

Too many landlords avoiding paying tax on their properties hence reason for not giving out extremely important info,

Tabien ban is not a secret document, landlord must provide it

Always had to submit it when doing a TM 30 or filing for a long term stay visa either with the landlord or with the housebook and a copy of the owner's ID.

Yes As I unddrstand they need to notify and Register with Immigration.

Usual even in Suratthanie or Phangan.

Sure owner have to give you green book and I'd card

ID card and house book ... standrad practice

It seems like nobody is concernef with identity theft here. Everybody asking for everyone’s ids and pictures for everything. Eventually you won’t be able to get food from a vendor without verifying your sister’s identity.

Did you offer a bribe? That often trumps everything. I’m gussing no, since you went in person instead of hiring a service.

Basically, immigration wants you to hire a service. It keeps people busy and employed

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@Kostya **********

, we have the same problem recently: they need more SIGNED copies of documents from the landlord than before. What should we do in case the owner of the condominium apartment is an old person living alone in another country - don't know how to scan and send , cannot make a clear photo of his passport pages and his property papers, just using his smartphone as an old style mobile Nokia 3310 phone?

I know there have been times I need the owner's id and blue-book. I belief it's fairly common.

Here they are going backwards and have asked for a neighbours signed photocopy of their ID card to prove you live there.

In fact the Landlord is legally required to register you at the address or they will be fined.

In order to register you they need to give copies of their ID, Property title document and Tabian Ban. So really they should have done this already and are breaking the Law by not doing it.

I live in Thailand with a "Retirement Visa". Every year, after I renew it, the Immigration Police visits our house and confirms my address. That includes a picture of me holding my passport inside the house. Here in Uthai Thani Province I find Immigration extremely helpful. I have no complaints at all.

Yes you have to have a copy of the house book to show them as it must match the ID card., I do every 2 years as my house rental is every 2 years and i also have a yellow book too, the land lord cannot refuse you the copy of the house book if he does go see a lawyer or go to the local office to complain.

Yes and landlord did exactly what immigration asked. Should not be an issue.

Usually when u submit a rental agreement, they always ask for ID and house resident of the landlord, all signed copies, no originals.

I did this way for years

I’ve provided a copies of both house books (her’s and mine) every single time I’ve renewed, but the big difference is that I’m married to the land owner, so it’s pretty easy to get copies of anything I need. Oddly, they’ve never asked for copies of deed. Maybe that will be the surprise request this year.

No time and make things more difficult then it should be

They will give to you the know it normal process

Assholes just trying to be fucking awkward as per usual stamp the fucking visa and let me get outta here ffs

This is standard procedure in Thailand, the landlord shouldn't have any issues giving you the required documents

He will release you without any problem if the house is registered, just ask him to send you a photo to show to the officer. Lately they also asked me, it had never happened in many years that I live in the same house.

Yes they will do it or they will get fined they will take a copy of it and put 2 limes through it so you can’t reuse it .

Hi

Went through this they have to do this it’s law

They can receive fines

Yes, I've had a similar experience. Just tell your landlord that Immigration needs it so that you can continue to live there and pay rent. They will comply. Be sure to make several copies for the future.

No need to solve a problem that hasn't arisen

In most all government offices where contracts are used or licenses applied for and for Immigration, both the ID card and House Registration book are required. This is common knowledge for Thai people. The title deed is also required for many transactions to match the owners to the land and house

Is this a joke🤔

Retirees are no longer welcome

It's just a matter of time until retirement visas are stopped

Find a visa agent

A copy should be attached to your rent / lease agreement

I had the same experience (for the first time) last year when I renewed my retirement visa. I believe this is more a check on the landlord than it is on you but obviously you are the one who needs the document. I was able to get it through the rental agency.

Look, buddy. Living in Thailand long enough and you learn not to fear "what if" scenario. Go sabuy sabuy nah. Ask your landlord. Chances are he'd have a stack of that already. Buy him a beer every once in a while. Chill out man.

Maybe wait until the ship is sinking, before you jump off 🤔

M30

Ask landlord to accommodate you and treat him or her to lunch at MK

Should not be a problem to get a copy of it from your land lord

The immigration need the owner name of apartment for rent(copy of landlord) and copy of Id card.

Has anyone got the extension when simply traveling the country staying at Airbnb or hotels.

The landlord have to agree, else you change landlord.

Or just use and agent and they make sure all documents are in order and it’s hassle free..

Why shouldn't the landlord refuse to show such an official document for use by a government office?

C'est obligatoire...

Et le nouveau gouvernement respecte la loi à la lettre.

It is valid request and landlord should provide a copy.

As a Thai with some ownership of some pieces of land, I don’t see a reason why I wouldn’t give you photocopies of the Title Deed and House Registration if I were your landlord. The ID card photocopy has a lot more crucial information of a Thai citizen than those documents. If those photocopies are necessary to extend your visa (so that you continue the rent), any legitimate landlords should be happy to provide them. The House Registration book’s name list may be empty if there is no Thai citizen or permanent resident officially registered as living in that address, the information of the first few pages should still be provided. I think it won’t be a big deal, if there is nothing wrong with your contract, it should take your landlord under 5 minutes to have these 2 documents ready and signed.

Seeing this just makes me that much more convinced that renting is the best way to go.

Did you landlord do the required tm30 for foreigner staying at their property within 24 hours from arrival?

I guess not, hense the requirement from immigration

If the landlord has already filed a TM30, the aplicant only needs to show the TM30 was filed, and nothing else

Yes, did mine today for thai child renewal and the “house master” must provide ID , and Tabian Baan copy as part of the contract. If not, you need to find a new address.

Thats usually all part of your rental contract, check your contract, you will see that document attached as a copy.

I dont know in bangkok but in Samui Many houses are not register already to TM30 and tax .Now gouvernmemt want to check owner not pay tax rental ..so many owner doesnt want to get this ..if farang you have chance for get ..but if thai owner not easy ..many doesnt want ..good luck

I've been doing retirement extensions at BKK CW for many years.... In recent years, I've always brought a copy of my landlord's Thai ID and tabien baan, but never yet been asked to show either of them. Likewise, I have a TM30 from years back, and haven't been asked to update it despite multiple trips abroad and back to TH with a re-entry permit. I have no idea what rules BKK CW actually follows on such things, only my own personal experience. PS - I've had only one residence (address) for all my years here in TH.

Probably need to report to the nearest Russian armed forces manpower center there little lgor Igor

Do they use Gmail for government communication?

I’ve got extensions for the last several years and nobody’s ever asked me for a copy of my condo owners ID card, or anything other than my rental agreement

There is no reasond for the landlord to refuse

It’s in your landlord’s best interest to make sure you are able to stay in Thailand paying rent.

Renters need copies of these documents to do anything. Landlords always give them unless they are illegally renting or not Thai and don't have a book.

i think no problem.

I have a yellow house registration book for my extensions. Yellow books are issued to foreigners at the local municipality office. It is a pain to get and you need the owner to go with you but once you have it, you can use it each year.

I believe you need a copy of the tabian baan where you live and a copy of the tabian baan where your landlord lives. And a fresh TM.30 notification receipt. And the id card or passport of the landlord.

Thais generally provide copies of their ID and the house book all the time.

I had a lease agreement with owners ID and the house book of the condoprinted as well but because the owner obviously wasn’t living there himself they wanted me to get in contact with the owner and get him to copy and sign /date his house book where he is currently living ,that’s what Korat immigration officer wanted

what they asked for is standard. I'm not sure how you prepared for your visit but you were underprepared if you didn't have this with you.

The first thing you do is ask for the house registration. See. That wasnt hard.

This is normal practice now. If the landlord wants to rent the property, he will have to comply. I have had no problem with gaining the documents from a large condo group and also a small private renter

If it’s being rented legally, he must agree. That’s part of his responsibility as a landlord.

Never ever seen this in Chiang Mai and I have been doing reporting and renewals for years.

Each office makes up their own rules.

I always take our house book plus a copy of it, same with My wife's ID card, I take the card and a copy of it. Seems no matter how prepared I am they always want something more. The last time was fresh pictures of both Me and Us together at the house showing the address. Luckily we had some on the phone and just transferred a few to the agent. The time vefore that I had to draw a map of the house and streets. I know technically none of it is actually required but as long as I can give them what they want I get my extensions. I play their games but keep My baht in My pocket, they get the message, this ain't My first rodeo, this was My 10th or 11th extension. We're pretty far out in the country and use the local office, I don't think there's even any concierge agents around here. Hopefully your owner will cooperate. Or You can just go to a different immigration office and see what they want.

Always copy Tan Bian Ban

Ask first, then ask for help

I would offer money. A lot of Thais are very hesitant to show their house book, which I can understand.

Just curious, did you do this without an agent?

I went to Samut Prakan immigration about 4 days ago and had the same experience.

Before I only needed the usual documents, but this year they also asked for the land title deed, owner’s ID, company documents, shareholder’s ID card, house registration and a power of attorney because the condo is under a company. Much more paperwork than previous years. 😣

Also the bank statement from the app wasn’t accepted, and a printout from the bank book wasn’t accepted either. They wanted a printed statement with the bank stamp.

I had to go back a second time because I didn’t have all the documents the first time.

Ofcourse he can get a copy of the blue house book.

If it's in BKK. Go downstairs in the basement. There is the office that can give you that Certificate

If he makes it difficult the land office has copies

I just experienced that last month as I was applying for my 1-year visa extension. I just asked my landlady to send me a copy or else I couldn't get my visa extension and would have to leave Thailand. She sent it to me that day, so I guess that approach worked.

I dont get it. You haven't even asked your landlord yet. Why not just ask and see the outcome. If it is a problem, then post for advice

The owner of my condo rental gave me copies of her deed/registration and it was sufficient when I submitted it to the immigration official.

Jak masz umowę o mieszkanie to musi ci dać. Miałem ten sam problem.

Wlasciel musiał przyjechać do immigration z dokumentami

Seems like if he wants to continue to have you as a Tennant he'd be more than willing to help

Yes, Thai immigration generally requires proof of ownership from the landlord (or house master) when a foreigner applies for a visa extension. This is part of the strict enforcement of the TM30 (Notification of Residence), which ensures that foreign nationals are residing at a legal address.

Required Documents from Landlord for Visa Extension:

Copy of Title Deed (Chanote): Both sides of the document.

Copy of House Registration Book (Blue Book):

Copy of Landlord’s ID Card or Passport:

Copy of Rental Agreement/Contract:

Signed Copies: All documents provided by the landlord must be signed by them.

TM30 Receipt: A copy of the TM30 notification receipt, which confirms the landlord has reported your stay to immigration.

In case Landlord declined to provide these required documents, outsource to an agent for assistant with the extension.

Yes i was there yesterday just for 90 days confimation of stay....a headache, I dont understand what is going on with immigration procedures for normal retired persons...who got everything clear : deposit, insurance, pension.

Immigration is making you ride a caroussell. I guess they want you force you into offering tea money. If you have a valid TM30, that means that the landlord already supplied the TM30 system with the number of the blue housebook AND his name. Immigration is lying into your face. Show them the middle finger and move into a hotel. I would LOVE to see what they want to pull out of their noses in this case

you could actually SHOW THEM THE FINGER take up accomodation in a hotel, ask them for the TM30 printout and apply for the extension using the hotel address

I living in gf house, each time renewing 1y extension visa she must show her ID and Baan document

Not only the owners ID but also the photo copy of the blue book with the owner's signature....mine is more complicated as these are 3 owners of the whole building and they also wanted a copy of DBD registration.....lucky for me the juristic handles all these documents for me whenever I need them ....you are all good just let your owner make a copy of the bluebook and signed on it

I had this issue in Bangkok when I was renting, I showed the water bill which was in the name of the owner and it was accepted

I paid a lawyer to get my first year extension, cost me a lot really but no questions asked they Only took a photo , they didn't check anything and they even jumped the long ques ,greeted me , touching my shoulder offer me coffee, I felt I was King Jason , lol , goes to show its all about money , pay the money and they get you through and treat you like a GOD , I was thinking to do the second year extension myself, but cos I not paying another agent or lawyer , I am going to get hassle just like you have . So sad really , some of us barely have enough money to live our retirements , all these expenses cos they just want to rip us off, makes me wonder if all my retire savings is going to last my last living days of my life. Guess I better to stick to eating pig guts and chicken arse at 20 baht for rest my life lol . 555 .

Show that to your landlord. They usually agree and mark in Tgai, saying for document purposes.

i had to provide the same for my DTV extension. seems to be normal now for these type of visa.

My owners ID Card doesn’t match the Tabien Baan, the previous owner passed away. I was told Thais can only have their name on one Tabien Baan. I use an agent who smoothies 5hings out for 500 baht.

This is what’s wrong with the system to many low level people that either don’t know their own rules or they are just being a pain in the neck or worse possibly trying to make some side money.

They just need to verify that a person you think as a landlord is the same person as the house owner who is the only person that can permit you to legally stay in that house. It has nothing to do with a title deed (chanote'. That is why they require both ID and house registration to cross check the landlord 's validity. The problems might occur that he is not a house owner, therefore technically can't allow you to stay on that address. And with this he might refuse to give you a required document.

Ya i think this is the new standard now. They are trying to crack down on illegal ownership and landlords dodging taxes.

yes i have had to do this for my extension of stay based of marriage.

That's standard now. That's thanks to illegal ownership. So, they need to verify who owns the property. I had to do the same thing where I live.

It's standard practice

Do show the Tabien Baan is normal. I now show my yellow one

Do you have a lease? That should have both ID and house book details?