What options are available for a single father struggling in Phuket after job loss due to COVID-19?

Sep 17, 2020
4 years ago
Neil *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
From a desperate parent . . . Sorry to burden members here, as I'm sure everyone is dealing with their own hardships, but I'm at my wit's end and need some guidance. I'm a single dad here on Phuket, and have been for 6 years. In those six years, I was GM for a relatively successful tourism-based business (we arranged charters, team-buildings and weddings). Sadly, the consequences of the pandemic caused the business to slowly fail and my employment to be terminated 2 months ago. According to Thai labour law, I'm due severance and I attempted to negotiate a settlement rather than dragging matters through courts or arbitration. Long story - short: they are only willing to pay about 25% of what is actually owed and only when the company's assets are eventually sold. The main issue is, my savings have almost run out and I am really struggling to make ends meet. I certainly can't afford a new visa, nor is there any work available here. I can't even afford a flight back to my own country (I've contacted my embassy, with nothing but a 'sorry, you're on your own - good luck' response). I have a wonderful 12-year-old boy and I just need him to be safe and well. Does anyone have any advice or suggestions, please?

Thanks.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
A single father living in Phuket is seeking advice after losing his job in the tourism sector due to the pandemic. With dwindling savings and difficulties in obtaining severance pay from his employer, he expresses concerns for the well-being of his 12-year-old son. Many commenters provide various options, including the possibility of teaching jobs, reaching out to embassies for repatriation loans, and exploring support from family or community crowdfunding. The conversation highlights the challenges faced by expats during the COVID-19 crisis and offers insights into potential paths forward.
George *********
Why not ask your Mum, Margaret to help you?
George *********
@George ********
Silence says so much
Dominic ******
Use a credit card and come home. Ask friends and family back home for support. Have some one start a go fund me page to get you home. PRAY TO GOD! Best of luck!
Pensom ******
@Dominic *****
this is great advice. No matter how much you like staying in a foreign country, you can’t expect to have the same privileges as a citizen of that country because at the end of the day, regulations are designed to cater to your purpose of your temporary stay.

Therefore, it’s probably wiser to start anew by going back home. Home always sounds best.
Siddhartha *********
@Neil ******
or sir, another suggestion my mrs gives= you make a video in Thai whatever you can speak(or some thai interpretor and you speak in English too) mention your dilema of survival, no job, no help by embassy to return home country, no salary from company! Mention your fair situation and ask for any help they can make, and urge them to make sure to forward and share to as much more groups people can share. If they can't support to donate, but please share so it reaches to media and government attention. Put up bank account for help for you and your son so life does come back on track, you can return your home country. The situation real as problem of stay, what you eat and how your employer answered! Let message forwarded to media and government more and more so you get funded and attended for your repatriation and also for your salary dues. Believe me this will reach to authorities and also all thai and farangs will try support you, try to give a shot it's worth it! Me and mrs want to help you , we are as of now stranded out of Thailand.
Siddhartha *********
@Neil ******
, trying to arbitrage matter is always sought out rather court and legal ways. Different scenarios always,. In your present situation if you see that even survival is impossible for you and son (priority1) than going back makes sense= no work/visa in thauland.

Now about the settlement your employer gives is mere 25% and that is on unknown future point! Best is you check with labour law office of your judiciary (not court). Before court employer can file grievances in labour law office. They have rule to make decision and meetings within 60days. This step will jolt him believe me and your legal dues he has to pay,. Now as far as I know, you can file this complaint within next 2 years anytime after you had issue! But after you file complaint you will need to visit labour office when called in those 60days to check facts and negotiations or appoint somebody on your behalf= I think thats unlikely as you can't stay for 2 months more nor can risk making complaint later as company gets diluted.

BUT let's think may be they won't be able to get a deal sooner , you go back home country and manage to work and you can afford to get back here within 2 year to complain the same grievance?

My suggestion do make a visit to your labour office please and consult the officer your scenario and listen to their options on your case. Many times employers try to settle issue as soon as you file complaint!== May be it can be more than 25% and even before they can sell company? Ofcourse all contacts and pay slip other proofs will make things more smooth and favourable for you!

I have limited knowledge,but I think positive for you. You too stay strong, always there are good things on way! Goodluck and try that, hope it works
Michael **************
I have an idea.

How about everyone that has written a response to this mans dilemma donate 1000 baht.
Lu ****
sorry to hear of your woes. please ignore and disregard the obtuse and soulless lecturing you've received from keyboard warriors.

suggest you move out of phuket, perhaps to Isaan for a while, to limit costs asap. That'll give you some time to prepare yourself.

You could then get a little cash together for a volunteer visa, to stay in the kingdom while having something to do, to maintain momentum and keep spirits high

Then look for teaching work through which you can weather the storm

My 2c worth, and good luck fella!
Lucas ********
@Tee *******
can you help in this matter? This is a lawyer and a real kind one
Moaya **********
I think that the problem to be addressed is the hopeless feeling of being broke with no evident recourse - obviously the investment failed and he has no savings and no job prospects . Whatever we think about how this happened, the pending issue is that he needs to get somewhere and get work or go on the dole of the country he comes from - since embassy’s no longer repatriate ( used to be they would loan you enough money to return home and stipulate repayment in x period or dock pay or taxes) and obviously the legal obligations are not a reality and long past counting on - so why bother poking at that wound?

it’s time to call friends , family and maybe create a Kickstarter or go fund me to get the funds needed to get somewhere safe before he winds up eventually in immigration prison and deported - which if crafted correctly is another way to return home - if you have the stomach for 11 days in the hole 🕳 - it’s a nasty little holding cell , open toilet in middle of room filled with about 75 people per cell... but one way “home “... assuming you don’t call thailAnd home ...

Having no money and saying it aloud is humiliating and speaks to the desperation of the situation , the way we get here tells us about our relationship to our prospects ... the only way out is to ask for help on your own social Media pages from your own people - and to have success -get a plan ! I need a plane ticket , I need a place to live ,I need a job ... I need help supporting my child ... figure out the sum, figure out the order of things , and figure out what your payback ability would be if at all ... then suck it up and ask your circle of friends family colleagues ... you have no alternatives - bank loan ? Sale of stuff ? Ask your sons mother’s family ?

This is hard - but it can be fixed - get past the company reimbursement settlement thing - that’s not going to happen- it’s lost ( if it happens it’s bonus) and get the numbers and a plan to put out to others - you will find the help in odd corners of your life - good luck ! You will be fine
Neil *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
First, to everyone whom reacted, commented or advised, your kindness and efforts - ironically, considering the weather - made today a lot less gloomy. Thank you.

It did sadden me, however, to read a few divisive remarks.

I reached out to a community for advice from peers or from others who may have experienced similar circumstance . . . and undoubtedly to make aware that people are not only stuck abroad trying to get back to Thailand to be reunited with loved ones, but that some are isolated here with few resources to remain or even depart.

To those that find it difficult to understand my predicament or how a parent could find themselves in such, I can only respond by noting that I loved my work. It wasn't a high earning position, but it made me happy and more importantly, it gave me the opportunity and flexibility to spend as much time as possible with my son, while affording the best education I could afford. As people here know, tourism based businesses are predominantly seasonal, so some months we struggled . . . but a new and better year was always on the horizon, as long as my boy and I had each other and we could put food on the table.

Some remarked on having contingencies as a parent, and I wholeheartedly agree. In January of 2020, I was putting those in place, but who would have forecast a complete cessation of business and a complete collapse of the Island's tourism?

Was it wrong to hold on in hope, in a place where I had invested in business and relationships, a place where my son had developed an excellent group of friends and enjoyed going to school.

Perhaps Phuket has run its course for me and others, but being here gave me my son and so many good memories, I'll always hope for the best.

Thanks again for your support and an opportunity to vent.

Take care!
Jennifer ********
@Neil ******
if you have a degree you could get some online teaching work ...
Marco *******************
Sorry what nationality are you from?
Veronica *******
Have u tried a go fund me page to raise some $$$ for yr needs? Good luck 🥰💜
Ellis ******************************
UK embassy are offering repat flight (loans) to all citizens.
Bobby ********
Dominik **********
File a formal complaint at the labor department, after 2 years employment you should be paid a maximum of 149 days as severance pay
Dave *********
@Dominik *********
And what happens if the owners just walk away and leave Thailand..I presume there is a farang owner/shareholder somewhere.. and the 51%thai will deny all knowledge.. not a chance in a blue moon unless they stay there..
Dominik **********
@Dave ********
true that
Daren *****
Listen to Kool breez, he is 100% correct on that and that is the 1 good thing about thailand.. you can get that sorted quite easily if you act quickly! The longer you leave it, the harder it will be
Kool *******
If you haven't done it yet, file a formal complaint right away against your last employer with the department of labour. You don't need an attorney, or take them to court yourself. After a formal complaint is filed, the department of labour acts very fast, and your last employer does not want to get on their bad side. Do this right away.
Neil *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Kool ******
Already contacted two sets of lawyers/solicitors, and a letter of demand sent, but a minimum of 175k is required to initiate any further proceedings.

For Labour office, a Thai interpreter or lawyer is best to accompany, but who to trust?
Kool *******
@Ahkim *******
geez, you are a worthless asshole aren't you.
Dominic ****
@Ahkim *******
Take your mental illness elsewhere. Bye.
Ahkim ********
I think you should heed your own advice, doomsprayer
@Dom****
Dominic ****
It's not the point of his post. He should have done that two months ago. Now he needs to forget about the litigation until he's got himself somewhere where he's not in imminent danger, preferably his native country. Beg, borrow, not steal, sell everything, and buy two flights.
Kool *******
@Dominic ********
, from reading his posts though, he has nothing to return "home" to. His home is in Thailand.
Dominic ****
@Kool ******
There's nothing for him in Thailand and it doesn't need him, especially Phuket that has enough problems taking care of its own citizens. Refusing to leave is a recipe for disaster.
Kool *******
@Dominic ********
, agree with you there, but I can also understand his situation, and why still there.
Dominic ****
@Kool ******
he needs to move on, quickly. The "I'm owed half a million baht severance and I'm not leaving until I get it" approach is dangerous.
Kool *******
@Dominic ********
, yes, especially when you do not use the system to your advantage.
Ahkim ********
@Ko**
, you actually say constructive things every now and then. I am impressed
Kool *******
@Ahkim *******
, have you actually ever helped anyone, or do you just troll people with your criticism. I have searched and searched, and I see you only criticising, and trolling, never offering constructive help to anyone. Pitiful really.
Ahkim ********
@Ko**
, aww, and you were doing so well for a moment there.

don't confuse us though, attacking the attacker is a kindness to the one needing help, which I actually offer in many ways. it seems your powers of online searching are as limited as your capacity to offer aid.

I am flattered however you tried to search more about me.
Kool *******
@Ahkim *******
, lololol, such a petty young man aren't you..lololol. I used to have your kind arrested and kicked out of the casino. From the looks of it, you can't hold a job either. Sociology, yeah riiiight....lololol
Ahkim ********
@Ko**
, yes you've clearly achieved much if working in casino security is both the source of your confidence and frame of reference. I should feel a need to prove myself now or what?
Kool *******
@Ahkim *******
, no actually I was the day shift casino manager that made the decisions o n arresting people like you...lolol.
Brian ***********
As mentioned before try this

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I'll donate
Neil *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brian **********
Many thanks for the concern and offer.

Unfortunately, 'go fund me' is not available to initiate in Thailand. They have a list of 19 countries from which a fundraiser can originate - Thailand is not one.

Again, thanks
Dave *********
Pack your bags and take your Son back to your native country.. you may have to beg for the airline tickets ..but get out and start a fresh.. its tough I know..im currently in the process .. Thailand is f$%ked unless they relax the stupid rules in place..but im afraid its going down the pan..ive decided to take that route with both my Thai kids ..luckily they both hold UK passports as we as Thai ones.. good luck my friend but you will be better off out of the country that is nolonger the land of smiles..I did 22years and loved it ..but this last 2 years as been hell with all the red tape.. Im moving on..its had its day..
Dominic ****
I used to think that immigration giving people who quit or lose their job seven days to leave Thailand was harsh, but actually it forces them to either move on with their life elsewhere or prove that they're capable of supporting themself in Thailand going forward by meeting the requirements for a new visa.
Dave *********
@Dominic ********
all said .. that may be the case.. but it doesnt apply to everyone ..alot of people just find it difficult to addapt to new challenges.. unfortunatly there are not many challenges left in Thailand that the Thais want us to apply for..

Ive been doing business in Thailand since 1996.. the crash hit and hit the Thais hard..but we did manage to overcome .. hence I finally moved here over 20 years ago..totally legit.. work permit.. tax and social fund payer .. employer of at least 16 full time Thai staff and social fund paid for them.. had a very lucrative time..but things started to decline about
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years ago ..and no matter what I did ..it just got worse..and the last two years have been disasterous.. and to top it all off this bloody so called pandemic... as one would say the sh@t as hit the fan.. now sadly after many good years (even under Mr Thaksin)it is time to move on..this current muppet running the country is hellbent on totalitariun rule.. and the pathetic covid rules in place say what a fool he is..the tourism sector is totaly gone up the kyber unless he the PM either relaxes the rules or he the PM resigns and gets a proper younger PM to sort this mess out..and rid the Government of the old school dinasours.. Time for a change..
Dominic ****
@Dave ********
Fair enough opinions. It's good that you saw the writing was on the wall and made new plans. Good things don't usually last forever and Thailand is under no obligation to promise foreigners a comfortable life until the end of their days. Sensible people know that and move on while they still can instead of staying until the bitter end.
Pensom ******
@Dave ********
I completely agree ... red tape at immigration is the biggest discouragement
Stephen ************
Yes...do you have family you can fall back on in your home country to give emergency help for a few days ? Ideally you want to be in your home country to get a new life started.

UK is a much more sympathetic country than Thailand is especially if a child is involved. Within days of arriving in the country you could claim emergency assistance (loan from Universal credit payable same day). If you travel back on your own you are literally On Your Own..so only you as a parent can make a decision but ideas like go fund me usually work if constructed in a certain way....best of luck.
Poompui ************
Frank ******
Relatives???
Kevin ******
Sorry but embassy would give you both a repatriot flight. Especially with a minor.
Eddie *******
Teach english. Teach on the street if necessary.

Put a sign out. Will teach english for food/money.

What are they gonna do? Deport you? Basically that is what you need.

Teach english online. (Safer than the above idea!

Buy and sell items....ebay etc etc. locally.

Looks like you are gonna have to take the 25% and make the best of it.

Good luck.
Pensom ******
Best business options during covid is food.
Pensom ******
If your son is half Thai and has Thai nationality you can apply for a non-immigration visa type O / year visa which allows you to stay in Thailand for longer periods. Once your visa is secured you can apply for other jobs or you might look into selling things online. There are some kind people around in Phuket I’m sure, perhaps you can get support to start a business of your own. All the best!
David ********
@Pensom *****
Pretty sure you need solid money in your bank account. Like 400 or 800k.
George *******
@David *****
Not anymore according to new rules. To get marriage visa you now just need only to have a 40K baht monthly income,thats all.
David ********
@George ******
And if you don't have that. Can you still use the old requirement of 400k in the account?
Michael ********
Are you British or Irish ?

You tried speaking to Martin Carpenter or I think Helene is Irish consulate.
Neil *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Michael *******
Irish. Unforrunately, Helene is no longer on Phuket, and with her went the Consulate.
Michael ********
@Neil ******
ah bummer didnt know she had left.
Av **********
The embassy always says that the first time u have to call back and tell them u have no money and u need repatriation loan

They will stamp ur passport for both u and ur kid and then u have to pay it off when u get home...they always say no first
Ahkim ********
@A*
, Dominic is filth, painting the impossibilities to elevate himself. I think the sad fuck has no other way to feel good about himself
Av **********
@Dominic ********
well I know for a fact that many ex patriots have done this ...including my sister and her kids......they put u through the ringer but all citizens are allowed through U.K. 🙂
Dominic ****
@Av *********
not wise advice. The UK government for example only provides repatriation loans to people who live in the UK, such as backpackers who get into difficulty while travelling. They don't offer loans to people who have emigrated so as not to encourage people to emigrate in risky circumstances
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John *****
There r many jibs searching for qualified people who r in the country. Also, move out from phuket, its too $$$.
John ******
Find a teaching job. Hired by an school preferibly but also agencies are open to hire. Due all the covid-19 💩, both schools and agencies, are relatively desperate looking for teachers to cover positions since many of the people they employed before the pandemic are stuck abroad. Even if is not your dreamed job or what you expected for your life now is a good chance for it. Employers wouldn't be picky and will let you survive until the storm ends and the sun be shining again.
Neil *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Thanks,
@Ju**
. I've been a teacher on Phuket previously, but finding it difficult to see opportunities at this time.
Ahkim ********
@Ju**
, you're a genius. this is the way to go, if.your English is good the rest is secondary, fuck these naysayers. desperate times call for desperate measures, fake the documents if you need to, what matters is that you teach well
James **************
You get the licence after the rest has been processed. If he has a degree he can start. May need agency to certify degree though. But can try private schools like Inlingua etc....
David ********
@Juan *****
Still need a degree, a teacher license and a work permit.
George *******
@David *****
NO NEED for teacher license, please don't misinform. Your example is rather exception than a rule.
Jane ***********
@David *****
You don't need a teacher licence. A degree is sufficient to easily get a work permit. ESL qualification more important.
David ********
@Jane **********
Depends on where you work. At my school in the south they don't hire any foreigner that cannot acquire at least the two year teaching license waiver.
Sammy *******
@Juan *****
I like ur idea but will the schools still demand the docs, the transcripts, etc, if so, not so easy for one to transition into teaching.
Jane ***********
How about trying to get a job teaching English, or English online? You could get a TEFL qualification online. Apart from that - I'm very surprised to hear your embassy said that (is it Ireland?). Certainly the British embassy is offering loans for flights. I think they have a legal obligation to do that. Given the situation you outline, personally I'd look at a way to return 'home' with your son. I don't think there are going to be many openings in the holiday sector here for a while.
George *******
Oy if you want to secure high-paying job.
James **************
Actually you can just become a teacher if you hv a degree in any subject. They offer 3x 2 year temporary licences..... that's his best bet for a job.....
David ********
@James *************
true

I am on my third waiver myself already. It's just unsustainable if you don't wanna get an education degree. But for a temporary job just any degree will do.
George *******
@David *****
Majority of schools here (govt or private) do NOT require education degree.
David ********
@George ******
They don't. But if you wanna stay there for more than six years, you need to at least be willing and able to show you are progressing towards an education degree.
David ********
@Jane **********
You can't just become a teacher in a Thai school. You need a work permit and for most public and private schools you must have a teacher license to obtain a wp. It's not that easy if you wanna do it legally.
Jane ***********
@David *****
Actually I know it 'looks' that way but in reality it's a lot more flexible, especially at the moment with the teacher shortage (I've worked at Thai universities in this area and have had a lot of contact with schools). You definitely don't need a teacher license, a degree of any kind is sufficient to get a work permit. Also language schools are much more flexible about this, and there are loads (although the pay is terrible, even worse than in Thai schools which is pretty bad generally).
Dominic ****
@Jane **********
they're offering loans for UK residents who have run out of money due to not being able to fly home after their holiday, not to expats.
Jane ***********
@Dominic ********
I see. Thanks for the clarification.
Dominic ****
No credit card to pay for a flight back to your country? It's difficult to understand why you'd stay in Phuket until you've not enough money left to buy a new visa or leave. Sounds like you've been more interested in waiting around to get your severence than leaving and getting on with your life, which is the wrong way to be thinking.
Lu ****
the smugness is strong with this one.
Lu ****
Dom... the guy's drowning and you're describing the water 🤦🤦🤦
Ahkim ********
@Dom****
, you need to get off your high horse. help the man or stfu, filth
Dominic ****
@Ahkim *******
keyboard warrior lol
Ahkim ********
@Dom****
, at least i'm not keyboard filth like you, I guess
Dan **********
@Dominic ********
We get it. You think it's his fault he's in his situaton. No shit Sherlock. But he's looking for advice and suggestions for a solution to his problem moving forward. No need for continued castigation. But you do you.
Alan *****
@Dan *********
well said. This sounds like a good father stuck in an unfortunate situation. Poor guy doesn’t need a school principal lecture.
Dianne *****
Is your son able to travel to your home country? Doe he have a passport etc Or is this the issue? That you would have to leave him behind if you went home? People talk about the 60 day visiting Thai family visa. If you are recognized legally in Thailand as your son's father perhaps that would give you some breathing space to plan your next move
Sammy *******
yes, hopefully, u can return to ur home country and get back on your feet. is there any family back in ur home country, or old friends that might help or start a "go fund" page for u?

so sorry for ur troubles, sadly it's the horrible fallout of the covid.
Neil *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Dominic ********
As explained - I've been trying to negotiate due severance payment. Also, I'd just invested in the company a few months prior to Covid striking
Dominic ****
@Neil ******
It's a tricky one for sure. Millions around the world are losing everything this year. The priority, especially for parents, always has to be having a plan b, and unfortunately in Thailand that means playing it safe by leaving before you've not enough money left to leave. The severance battle could be fought later, either from within Thailand or from overseas.
Michael **************
Did you try doing a go fund me page.
Neil *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Michael *************
Sadly, not available to start from Thailand.

Thanks, though.
Zabel ******************
So sorry to hear this it's heartbreaking to hear these stories as a outcome of the CoVid does your son have any family on the Thai side and what about you and your home country any family or friends.
Neil *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Zabel *****************
Thai family is not an option. No family left im my home country
Zabel ******************
@Neil ******
I really hope you find a solution the teacher opportunity could might be the way to go as mention of others. Untill the country opens up and you would be able to find other work wish you good luck 🙏😊
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