What are the challenges faced when applying for a DTV visa in Thailand after previous visas?

Jan 17, 2025
19 hours ago
I just wanted to go ahead and share my experience. I have been living in Thailand for two years now initially just doing boarder runs and then on a 1 year student visa. My student visa ended in September 2024. I did a boarder run to Malaysia and came back on on a 60 day exempt and extended another 30 days. I left Thailand December 20th. I applied for my DTV visa in Vietnam was approved under the workcation category. I entered Thailand and was denied entry initially. I had an interview/interegation my Thai language was tested. I do know quite of bit of Thai but didn't understand some of the questions asked and ultimately failed my interview. They asked for my outgoing ticket I didn't have one I bought a ticket on "OnwardTicket" that I have used in the past with no issues. This time didn't work and was denied entry all together. After my case being transferred to another officer and almost deported. I paid an additional 20k baht and was finally let in the country. Don't know if there was really an issue or just wanted bribe money. But Just thought I'd give a warning to those in similar situations.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The post discusses the author's difficult experience with immigration in Thailand after transitioning from a student visa to a DTV visa. After being initially denied entry due to a lack of an outgoing ticket and language comprehension issues during an interview, the author was forced to pay a bribe to gain entry, raising concerns about potential corruption and stricter immigration policies. The comments reflect shared experiences and advice from others on the nuances of entering Thailand under various visa categories and the importance of proper documentation.
DTV VISA RESOURCES / SERVICES
Sean *******
Anonymous participant I take it you're not Vietnamese? Another red flag seems to be people applying in neighbouring countries and not their home country. And they spent a lot of time in Thailand previously and then applied for the DTV. They seem to think you have been working illegally in Thailand.
Paul *******
@Sean ******
I see. I don't see why anyone would need to apply in their home country. That's not a requirement to get this visa or any other.
Sean *******
@Paul ******
I agree. This is the last post I remember where they got asked.

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Sean *******
@Paul ******
Yeah I know. I've just seen a few posts on here where people have been asked why didn't you apply in your home country? And are you working in Thailand? They never got denied though just questioned.
Paul *******
@Sean ******
Not really. That's not a red flag. Having had previous volunteer or education visas and/or a history of back to back visa exempt stays is.
Gael ******
I think flying into phuket is the best option?
Phil ********
Do not cross land at Poi Pet
Lee ***********
Absolutely not
@Ga**
Gael ******
@Lee **********
i heard it's much more lenient
Lee ***********
Not from my experience
@Ga**
. I've had no end of hassle with them over the years, even had it on my first DTV entry in December.
Andi ***********
Gael ******
@Andi **********
phuket immigration is pretty smooth i heard.
Paul *******
@Gael *****
You heard wrong. Phuket is one of the worst entry points. Most of the land borders are OK but don't do same day in/outs (except with the help of an agency at specific borders such as Ban Laem).
Toni *******
I kept my student book with me when i entered with dtv after ed visa, just in case they test my language skill. I planned to ask them to ask anything from the book since they cannot expect more. But anyway they dont need a reason for deny entry, but that was my plan 😅 i was 2 years with tr+exempts before my 9months with ED too, so i was expecting something. The IO indeed looked my passport and said "oh you went school" and i said yea my gf insisted me to, but when he saw dtv visa he didnt ask more
Leah **********
@Toni ******
Can I get an ED Visa while I’m in Thailand?
Anonymous *************
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Anonymous *************
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@Toni ******
some people are just lucky. I was not.
Toni *******
Anonymous participant i was lucky before my ED, was almost deported back to vietnam because so many stamps, thats why i got the ED 😅
Alistair **********
I’m sorry I don’t buy this story at all. Seems like anonymous participatant is a salty Thai agent.
Anonymous ******************
@Alistair *********
Technically, it can happen, and it has happened to other visa holders. It is the job of immigration to ensure that you fulfill the conditions of your visa. Add to that a questionable history, and it certainly doesn’t work in your favor.
AllSabai ******
@Alistair *********
his/her post doesn't state or promote any type of service or guidance to do something or use a certain service.

So based.on what...you think he is a.(Salty ) Thai agent as you called him/ her ?!!!

Plus... a person faced that situation in the airport, it is so expected that he will post himself as anonymous participant.
Anonymous *************
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@Alistair *********
you don't have to believe me idc I'm just sharing my experience for those in similar situations. I have no motive to lie. I stayed anonymous for obvious reasons... I don't need any more trouble
Anonymous ******************
Can you share what you believe the officer asked you in Thai? Or it was just basic
Anonymous ******************
Anonymous participant 704 currently I’m on my second year of ED, I’m married in Thai and every time I go out I go with my wife and when I come back I enter as a “Thai citizen with my wife” never had any issues or questions.
James ********
This was posted FYI by
@Tod ********
"BEFORE the rule change in July that moved free stamp entry from 30 days to 60 days, people WERE able to stay long term bouncing out and back every 60 days and they really weren't given much scrutiny stamping in at the airports.

I believe this last week between Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang they denied over 1000 people (many who thought they'd just bounce out/back to milk another 60 day stamp 😮 ) Those people were shipped back out on their dime.. 😕

They have got a LOT harder on "living here on free stamp entries" since that rule change"
Bruce ******
@James *******
I don't know the circumstances, but I have seen several farang escorted away from entry area to "office". So was guessing there was some kind of stamp or visa problem. Most were younger and I've seen a few females as well. No words exchange, no fights, no challenges...just kind of the "you need to come with me" type of escort away from the normal entry booth. I'm just standing in line. Also saw several people who I think were Chinese show a QR code on the phone while handing over PP, but none of the immigration officers seemed to care about those. Certainly didn't scan them. I have a friend who is retired immigration officer and asked him about the QR codes and he thought that was some kind of visa, but wasn't sure. Said maybe the visa is also in the passport and also in immigration system.
Paul *******
@James *******
They got a lot harder on people staying on endless visa exemptions/tourist visas etc years ago, that is, a couple of years before Covid (around 2017 or 2018).

Things have continued to tighten up further in more recent times. However, we've been hearing of the occasional denied entry since at least 2015 and this has only intensified over the past few years except during Covid when almost no one could come in of course, and immigration was more flexible towards those stuck here.
James ********
@Paul ******
agreed 👍. As both Tod Daniels and I have stated numerous times, the Thai Immigration Officers upon your arrival appear to be more strict now than before with those who have been staying in Thailand using Visa Exempt Entry, extensions, Ed Visa and Volunteer Visas.
James ********
This was posted FYI by Tod Daniels

"BEFORE the rule change in July that moved free stamp entry from 30 days to 60 days, people WERE able to stay long term bouncing out and back every 60 days and they really weren't given much scrutiny stamping in at the airports.

I believe this last week between Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang they denied over 1000 people (many who thought they'd just bounce out/back to milk another 60 day stamp 😮 ) Those people were shipped back out on their dime.. 😕

They have got a LOT harder on "living here on free stamp entries" since that rule change"
James ********
Likewise those who have the Ed Visa or Volunteer Visas in their passport or Thai immigration history, are more subject to be questioned by Thai Immigration Officers. They're cracking down on the fraud obtained Ed and Volunteer Visas.
แฮปปี้ *******
If you do not want to leave the country, you can renew your passport every 2 years after your student visa expires and you may transfer to a new school if your old school has completed its course.
แฮปปี้ *******
This problem is common with student visas, my boyfriend had this problem but luckily he left the country with me, we came back to Thailand together and they wouldn't let my boyfriend enter the country but I talked to them and begged them, after that he was allowed to enter the country without paying any money. After that I asked the school why they did this and the school said that they often do this to student visa holders and then say that it is illegal so that they can demand money if they want to enter Thailand.
Jeremy *************
Don muang or suvanabhumi?
Sean *******
Greg ********
There are some facilitators/ agents offer a "Safe entry" service to those like the OP who have "Complicated Histories". Might be both cheaper and offer peace of mind.
Ning ******
go make a complaint to the head of immigration, they have cctv all over the place.
Sean *******
@Ning *****
He wanted to enter not get blacklisted.
Ning ******
as his current name says it : Anonymous.. do not need to give your full name or passport etc.
Kannan **************
@Ning *****
so you want him to get deported and get arrested for bribing? Lol
Greg ********
@Ning *****
Really?
Cissi *********
Thank you for sharing your experience. 🙏

Everyone should be aware that a visa approval is not the same as a guaranteed entry to Thailand.

You are not the first one being tested after having an ED visa to study thai language and you won't be the last... Failing the test - making the immigration officer question if you had the previous visa for the right reason - could of course make them question if the new visa is for a legit reason as well. No matter what I think about bribes, I guess for you, it meant being allowed to enter...
Greg ********
@Cissi ********
I have just come off a chat with Thai agent about 2 mins ago. Talked to them and another yesterday. Each of them reporting more checks like this with their clients. The Thai agents tend to be more open and honest about this than the foreign agents who charge more. They are also open about why DTaV is not liked by a certain department.
Cissi *********
@Greg *******
yes, I'm not surprised at all.
Greg ********
@Cissi ********
Never break a man's rice bowl in Asia!
Mat ******
I know 2 person on a tourist visa with several stamp because of boarder run.

They (one German , one UK) wanted to extend their Tourist Visa for another 30 days on different dates and both got only 1 week without explanation in PhangNga

Looks like the are getting more strict, which is not to bad…
Rogerio ******
@Mat *****
which is ironic being dtv allows you to stay even longer each time.
Mat ******
@Rogerio *****
true, but if you have been in Thailand before, how often did you asked your self "why?"

…how often have you seen something in Thailand and asked your self, "Does it make sense? No, anyway, I accept it" 🤣

That’s the reason I took the DTV for 5 years before they maybe change it again 🤷🏼‍♂️
James ********
@Mat *****
yep 👍
Mike **********
hmm i am in semi similar, i had an ED visa for muay thai, left a while, came back and had work permit and visa for management at a thai business... dunno thai myself.
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submit my DTV workcation still waiting on second round of document checks, was hoping to fly in tomorrow but am extending my stay here in KUL (applied to LAX embassy and was in the US at the time of application). i have a booking out for a work trip
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. i'm expecting to get in fairly smoothly once approved and not be shaken down for 20k...
Bruce ******
@Mike *********
Instead of questions in Thai, hope they don't challenge you to a ring match? Think they still let you in, if they beat you to a pulp and kick in a few ribs? Maybe after that they give ED extension and tell you to go back for more training.
Mike **********
@Bruce *****
i'm not sure you can continue to do muay thai like that actually, like they may consider you as completing the course and a graduate, even if they can still easily beat you up. the place i did it at thought i could only maybe do it again if i got issued a new passport number.
John **********
@Mike *********
you are meant to stay in the location you apply from until the visa is issued
Paul *******
@John *********
As long as you don't enter Thailand until the visa is approved its all good.
Mike **********
@John *********
well that is great in theory but am i supposed to change thousands of dollars in flights because the an embassy is slow or decides to ask for more information? worst case, which would be super lame, is they deny me and i apply from KUL i guess.
John **********
@Mike *********
no, your supposed to look at the requirements to apply via a particular consulate and abide by them. I think they pretty much all quote processing times
Mike **********
@John *********
i applied for LAX when i was in the states based on my US address location as soon as i could. i already had other travel plans booked and figured
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submission was good enough for an expected
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entry. i was certainly wrong on that though.
John **********
@Mike *********
you obviously didn't look at the website. The quote 15 working days plus 5 additional working days if you have to supply further information. Even with the 15 working days there's no way the process was going to complete by the 1st January (the 3rd of 3 holiday days in that period). Your very lucky KUL is accommodating you
Mike **********
@John *********
KUL isn't doing anything at the moment? not sure what you mean
John **********
@Mike *********
maybe I misread that you were supplying docs to KUL. If you're supplying them to LA then I assume they haven't asked you to update your location?
Mike **********
@John *********
LAX didn't get back to my on results of first doc check until
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, did note i had flown to tunis and then to kul. i am awaiting a response on that. i'm under the impression from others here that they have received approval while no longer in their country of application, guess i'm not super clear if they told the embassy that though. 😅 but i have. if LAX denies me i guess i will just try my luck with KUL. i've heard jakarta is "easy" and KUL is "hard" but i'm not super keen on moving and don't generally expect i should have a hard time getting in.
Mike **********
i will note after my ED muay thai, i left for over 6 months, got a visa they no longer have (STV or something, some 90d one) - they made a big deal about me coming in that time. they couldn't quiz me on thai but asked for muay thai proof at one point so i teeped the female officer across the desk. actually i showed some videos i had then they said they didn't want to fight me so all was good. still took forever though, i had to eventually sign something about leaving in 90d. although i switched visa types and stayed at that point. i do think ED language is likely to result in them being the most skeptical and testing people.
Anonymous ******************
The giveaway was that you couldn't spell "border" correctly! 😆😆
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Anonymous participant 197 please get over it you get the point.
Greg ********
Anonymous participant 197 I see so much of this. As a pedants it gets my hackles up like Your and You're lol
Wobbly *****
@Greg *******
give me a brake
Rogerio ******
@Greg *******
I do see a lot of boarder must be autocorrect
Greg ********
@Rogerio *****
Never thought of that. It could well be. Not just this site but all over the web.
Greg ********
Where was your entry points-BKK?
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@Greg *******
BKK airport
Andi ***********
Anonymous participant Wonder why they tested your language on a Workcation DTV and a short time as a student.
Wannikea *********
@Andi **********
they want to see if he complied with the previous ED visa by actually learning Thai, he seemed to allude that it was a bit of a failure, and so they pulled the 20,000 baht rabbit out of their hat. I'm guessing the OP did not get a receipt.
Andi ***********
@Wannikea ********
I see . Yeah, unlikely no receipt for paying for drinks n lunch for the month.
Greg ********
Anonymous participant Thanks. Good info. At least you got in even if it cost you.
Stefan ******
Sounds like border scam. Why would they ask Thai language skills, that's totally irrelevant? What was your point of entry?
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@Stefan *****
I guess because I came off a student visa recently and they said alot of people just get the ED visa to stay in the country longer and wanted to know why I wanted to be in Thailand for so long.
Stefan ******
Anonymous participant Ok, that makes sense. If it was only to extract another 20k from you, it's still a scam tho. But probably not much you can do about it.
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@Stefan *****
exactly and can't say i don't have the money when you have to prove 500k baht for the DTV
Greg ********
@Stefan *****
Asked his Thai skills from his previous time on Ed Visa learning Thai.
Mateusz *******
Which border was that ?
Tanja ********
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@Mateusz ******
it was at BKK airport
Jacob *******
Anonymous participant would you mind sharing your passport country?
Greg ********
2 agents I have spoken to recently have said their clients had been reporting lots of questions at entry. For you it looks like using tourist and then ED to live in Thailand. Interesting about the Thai questions from the Ed visa though.
Winston ************
@Greg *******
Haha, are there agents who say anything good about the DTV, unless you're paying them?
Greg ********
@Winston ***********
Some off the record. I have found the Thai ones more open and honest. Known a couple of them years. One I first used in 2017. Her husband drinks in same bar as me and we have many mutual friends. She does not touch DTV and wants nothing to do with it
Winston ************
@Greg *******
Of course she doesn't touch it, given the requirement is for the applicant to be outside TH to apply for it. The VAST majority of applicants don't need an agent for that.
Andi ***********
@Greg *******
Those are the ones that seem to be getting the grillings on entry.
Greg ********
@Andi **********
Literally just chatting online to agent now about this. Said exactly same. They offer a "Safe entry" service for those with "Complicated history" lol
Andi ***********
@Greg *******
Nice name - "Safe entry "Service. The complicated entrants are the new cash cows.
AllSabai ******
@Andi **********
those who don't like it , keep missing with the stamps and in and out and misuse the privilege of visa exemption and the Non-Immigrant then they want just to jump these all like nothing happened,

Can try their destiny, but when they spend 4 to 6 hours in the interview and investigation and get asked for 20k as the owner of this post is claiming, that time no need to complain ka 😃
Greg ********
@AllSabai *****
I was going to get pedantic about poster saying "Deported". He would be denied entry and not deported. Cannot be deported of not let in :-)
AllSabai ******
@Greg *******
they use this word because usually they deporting him to where the flight of his arrival came from

And they ask him to book a flight to that country , happened before
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@AllSabai *****
yes, if you can't be let into a country and have to go back the way you came is that not being deported?
Greg ********
Anonymous participant Denied entry" means you were not allowed to enter a country at the border, usually due to issues with your documentation or eligibility, while "deported" means you were removed from a country after already being allowed entry, typically because you violated immigration laws or committed a crime within the country; essentially, denied entry happens at the point of arrival, while deportation occurs after you've already been admitted to the country
AllSabai ******
@Greg *******
correct explanation.
Greg ********
@AllSabai *****
Ask AI lol
AllSabai ******
Anonymous participant at the airport immigration it is

Because they send you to the country where your flight come from

So it is deporting
Greg ********
Anonymous participant Denied entry. Deportation is more formal. It is being a bit pedantic but easier to get back in after being denied entry in first place than deported from somewhere.
Greg ********
@AllSabai *****
If he has no money the airline who brought them in has to take them back. I think we might see more airlines be tighter with the DTV visa like some are with visa exempt etc
Cissi *********
@Greg *******
like the OP mentioned on another comment - people can't really say they don't have the money (for a bribe or a flight out), since they recently proved having access to 500k... So I think the airlines can feel pretty safe bringing DTV'ers.
Greg ********
@Cissi ********
They can but they can also demand an onward flight or return within the 180 days. Just another box to tick.
Greg ********
@Andi **********
I cannot say here in open what agent been telling me but correct.
Anonymous ******************
wait you can stil be rejected under dtv??? 😮
Anonymous ******************
The DTV is not a "red carpet pass" granting guaranteed entry without questions or rejection. 🫤 The same applies to all visa types and exemptions.
John **********
Anonymous participant 740 of course. You can be denied entry on any visa or none
Anonymous *************
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Anonymous participant 740 apparently because the DTV is approved by the Embassy. Immigration issues it. It's seperate departments and they seemed frustrated that so many DTV were being approved and they had no access to the documentation
Anonymous ******************
Anonymous participant Exactly they can't milk it much... 🤫
Greg ********
Anonymous participant Nail on the head.
Greg ********
Anonymous participant 740 Of course you can. The MFA websites makes this clear as did the MFA guy in the FCCT interview. Immigration have final say over entry and extensions at any time.
Tanja ********
Thank you for sharing 🙏 may I ask where did you enter?
Anonymous *************
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@Tanja *******
BKK airport
Tanja ********
Anonymer Teilnehmer thank you!
Anonymous ******************
Thats why I'm getting a new passport first. Sounds like a scam...
James ********
Anonymous participant 338 that trick no longer works. Facial recognition software and fingerprints are USED by Thai Immigration Officers upon arrival into Thailand to 🆔 identify your history of Thai immigration.
Stefan ********
Anonymous participant 338 Doesn't change anything. I did that 2 years ago and the officer could see ALL my previous stamps. He even asked me where my old passport was and why I changed it.
James ********
Sean *******
Worked for me.
Anonymous ******************
Anonymous participant 338 Don't forget to change your fingerprints and get plastic surgery on your face, because your biometrics are in the system 😂😂
Greg ********
Anonymous participant 338 What about your fingerprints? It is not so easy to appear as a completely new person as it used to upon entry
Alex *******
I'm interested to know what did they say to get you to pay them 20k?
Anonymous *************
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@Alex ******
they denied my entry and threatened deportation if I didn't pay. It was at BKK airport immigration. Once getting to immigration they moved me to be interviewed
Rogerio ******
Anonymous participant what was the reason? Did you get a receipt?
Cinn ********
Anonymous participant How was the staff look like? Like male/ female , old?
Jirka ********
Anonymní účastník yes, 100% border scam, nothing more
Todd *********
@Jirka *******
it’s not a scam, it’s the simple reality. He played with fire. And got burned. It happens
Sean *******
Should have got a new passport before applying for the DTV.
Phil ********
A new passport does not help.

End. Of. Story.
Sean *******
@Phil *******
Did. For. Me.
Winston ************
@Sean ******
Thailand records biometrics, which would match to the same person regardless of passport. That's why they scan your fingerprints at the IO counter at the airport.
Sean *******
@Winston ***********
Well getting a new passport worked for me. That's all the knowledge I have about it. I don't claim to know everything they have in the "SYSTEM".
Anonymous *************
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@Sean ******
i would have never thought it would be an issue since I had proper studen visa and dtv approval. They only seemed to question my ED visa never mentioned the tourists stamps.
Rogerio ******
Anonymous participant if you have an edu visa you can’t even apply for an elite visa which costs 500,000thb, so they definitely have some issue with Edu.

On that note I did have an edu visa during initially covid but I got the dtv on soft power easily and just recently re entered Thailand 10 days ago, no questions but I was traveling with my Thai gf.
Sean *******
Anonymous participant The visa exemption stamps wouldn't have helped either. They're clamping down on that now too.
Todd *********
@Sean ******
‘clamping down’…. On what exactly. They have been ‘clamping down’ since the internet started and people with no clue could offer opinions to the masses
Greg ********
@Sean ******
They have your details from old passport too. It is all in the chip these days. Might have worked 25 years ago. EDIT. What about your pic and fingerprints taken upon entry too?
Sean *******
@Greg *******
Worked for me with my dodgy volunteer visa. I would have got denied entry or pay tea money like the OP.
Greg ********
@Sean ******
They would still have your volunteer visa details. Entry IO just not bothered about it.
Sean *******
@Greg *******
They would have been if they saw it in my passport. My agent said it gave lots of her customers problems. Get a new passport.