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Why was I blacklisted from boarding my flight to Thailand despite obtaining a visa?

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July 5, 2023
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Kôrô *********
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I can now say that yes, airlines get a system connected with Thailand immigration. All the blacklisted or banned travelers get they’re name on it. which’s not possible for embassy to know. That’s why they keep granting visa anyhow.

I was denied not to board yesterday. at checking counter it was showing on computer 🖥️at the bottom ”security clearance “donot allow( my name) to board”

But they didn’t knew the reason

So the airline contacted their office(airport) in Bangkok and send my informations to them. Then they went check my informations with immigration at suvarnabum airport. It took almost 1 hour for them to back n told me “Bangkok said you’re blacklisted “ I was send off from the airport
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The user shares their experience of being denied boarding a flight to Thailand due to their name appearing on an airline's blacklist connected to Thai immigration. Despite having obtained a visa, they were informed after a delay that they were blacklisted, with no explanation given for the ban. The discussion includes queries about the reasons for the user's blacklist status, the efficacy of using agents for visa applications, and the disconnect between visa issuance by embassies and immigration bans.
Bob ***********
I'm a little confused....the Thai Embassy in your country grants the visa for entry to Thailand. If Thai Immigration is blacklisting you then Thai Embassy should know.
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Kôrô *********
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@Bob **********
 in a normal country embassy and immigration should share such information. Unfortunately that’s not the case with Thailand. Plus I didn’t applied from my country, we get no Thai embassy in.
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@Bob **********
 They should but they are two different government entities that often contradict each other so, obviously, communication is poor. Anyway, the Embassy issues a Visa and gets paid, they're happy.
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Ron *******
There is no time limit on the annotation stamp in your passport.

It looks to be a lifetime ban.

It says 'deliberate avoidance of the immigration law'.

And just to be clear, your lawyer can do nothing to help you
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@Ron ******
 they are not looking at the passport
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@Jo *********
 what???
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Jo **********
@Ron ******
 at the airport you board they the airline is looking at a post list. the airline looks only at you foto identification
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@Jo *********
 I never mentioned anything about airports or airlines at all.

I've simply told him what the annotation stamp in his passport says AND that a lawyer can do NOTHING regarding any ban.

People need to get a grip and understand that once a ban is served be it 1,3,5, or 10 year's, the ban simply doesn't just lift and you can come back.

Many people are still banned years after the ban is supposed to end.
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Jo **********
@Ron ******
 ok you are clear and is logical
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Antanas *************
Yeah you look suspicious even your fb.
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Kôrô *********
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@Antanas ************
 thank
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Jo **********
A big problem is when you have the same name as someone who is blacklisted. There have been to posts (one in this group) recently where people were falsely denied boarding because they had the same name as someone who is blacklisted. Airlines frequently act as immigration officers which usually leads to disastrous result.
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@Jo *********
 how can that happen when your passport shows no sign of being blacklisted?
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@Nick ***********
 good question. The passport maybe new or it would not be clear to the airline. The airline submits a list of names immigration - they get info back on who can’t be admitted
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Werner ************
Excellent they need to do this much more often with the amount of undesirables trying to enter
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Tony *******
Good News.
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Mark ********
Using agents for visas is always risky. My Thai wife used one for her US visa application, which I warned her not to. The agent used info she was not told to use and US immigration knew it was suspicious. They denied my wife's visa. It's best to do these things yourself and tell 100% truth.
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@Mark *******
Depends on the country. Never use an agent for a US visa. For a Thai visa, best not to either but depends on the company and type of visa desired. For now, in Laos and Cambodia, using agents for visa extensions remains the norm and is tolerated but this may change one day.
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Jonathan **************************
Seems very strange they'd share this information with airlines, but keep it secret from the embassies.

The latter being the actual arms of the government issuing the visas.
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Kôrô *********
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@Jonathan *************************
 yeah that’s actually insane that embassy don’t have access to that. As soon as the type my name in checking counter to issue my boarding pass, my name showed in red at the bottom of his computer 🖥️ security clearance: do not allow Mr… on board
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@Kôrô ********
 what did you do to get that?
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@Jonathan *************************
 every airline sends a passenger list before departure to destinations Immigration. There's no embassy involved.
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Jeremy ********
it happened, now that you know you're blacklisted find out how long you are blacklisted for...look into Vietnam now
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อ้วน *********
Had you already applied for a new visa?
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Kôrô *********
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@อ้วน ********
 yeah I applied for a 3 months tourist visa and I got the visa.
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อ้วน *********
@Kôrô ********
 that must be frustrating. How can they issue a visa if you are blacklisted by the same organization?
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Kôrô *********
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I swear man , this is not fair. Embassy should have access on such informations
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VaiAna **********
That bites big time
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Tipsda ********
When's yewrs name is listed "black list" why's yeah tryina cheat an get on board??

What's the reason behin et yoww??
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@Tipsda *******
 I got someone to check for me if my blacklist is over. And the answer was positive, that’s why I applied for a visa
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@Kôrô ********
 oh yeah that make sense...
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Rogerio ******
you were blacklisted from boarding your flight...from where to where?
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Cliff *********
Sorry you had problems.

Thank you very much for sharing your experience.
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Mark *******
If it's connected to your current passport and passport number, would a new passport then fix the issue?
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@Mark ******
 it’s a new passport, it’s connected to my name
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Rob *********
@Kôrô ********
 Well that's true in some cases, but a new passport with a new number helps many times.
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@Rob ********
 Passports are linked. Even if one has two different country passports, they know. The worlds immigration authorities are not stupid.
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Rob *********
@Colin ******
 Who said that they are stupid? I am not gonna explain to you more here , but believe it or not a new passport helps.
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@Rob ********
 how can that be if they check the fingerprints - and they probably do
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@Mark ******
 555. No.

It’s connected to his name, fingerprints, photo and passport(s).
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Kôrô *********
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@Brook *******
 yep correct 👍🏾
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Cliff *********
@Mark ******
 they take your biometrics every time you go through immigration.
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Ernesto ********
I’m sure there’s a reason to ban you
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Kôrô *********
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@Ernesto *******
 Kevin Jon Brooks my visa was revoked back in January 2019, I did it through an agent ,who did mistake on it. Before applying for visa in May 2023, I checked from some people. They said no blacklist showing anymore. But unfortunately yeah it’s still there. The stamps me out and it was not mentioned if I’m blacklist or not. Even amount of ban years wasn’t mentioned as well
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@Kôrô ********
 how long is the ban ?
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@Kôrô ********
 sorry that’s awful. Hate that agent made mistake
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Jan *******
No offense, but isn’t that better than getting rejected at immigration at BKK airport ?
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@Jan ******
 Absolutely! He would have been put in IDC and by all accounts it's not a nice experience!
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Kôrô *********
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@Jan ******
 better man
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Todd *********
What was the blacklisting for? It seems you were already aware and were looking to circumvent?
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Kôrô *********
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@Todd ********
 Kevin Jon Brooks my visa was revoked back in January 2019, I did it through an agent ,who did mistake on it. Before applying for visa in May 2023, I checked from some people. They said no blacklist showing anymore. But unfortunately yeah it’s still there
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@Kôrô ********
 A guy I know in Chiang Mai got caught out using an agent. He didn't have the 800k in the bank, so immigration backdated to his previous extension expiry and put him on overstay from that date. He was deported and given a five year ban. If yours is similar you may still have another year to serve. He got a stamp in his passport, did you not get anything in yours?
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Kôrô *********
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@Steve *******
 yeah I got a red stamp with something like 12(7) and they didn’t mentioned how long I was blacklisted 🤷‍♂️

NB:I used travel document(laisser passer) to exit the country. Because I throw my passport before I got arrested.
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@Kôrô ********
 Look I'd just assume it's five years. Once you've done your five, see if you're still airline blacklisted
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@Steve *******
 end august 2024 will be 5 years. So by early September 2024 I should be fine then
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Todd *********
might be worth reaching out to immigration in Thailand to verify the length of suspension. They must have a record on your file.
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Kôrô *********
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@Todd ********
 actually I got a lawyer for this case. But since I left on 2019. The contract been closed. I got back to him today and he will start a process to find out. But he said it can be 5 years ban maybe
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@Kôrô ********
 if you were arrested while on overstay it will be a 5 year minimum.
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@John *********
 the visa was revoked.They didn’t count it as overstay case.
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@Kôrô ********
 12.7 could potentially be much more serious than overstay. I've no idea how they work out the blacklist period in such circumstances

"Having behavior which would indicate possible danger to the public or likelihood of being a nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace or safety of the public or to the security of the public or to the security of the nation, or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign governments."
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Kôrô *********
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@John *********
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@Kôrô ********
 yes, that's the one I quoted. No idea how long a blacklist could last in these circumstances
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@John *********
 like more than 5 years?
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@Kôrô ********
 it's not a situation I've come across before. Could be 5 years, could be for life, I've no idea.
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Kôrô *********
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@John *********
 thx for your contribution 🙏🏾
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@Kôrô ********
 Did agent make an honest mistake or was there some kind of fraud involved?
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@David *******
 fraud involved
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@Kôrô ********
 Understood. Thx for clarifying. I take it this resulted in a very long overstay? Did they mention how long the blacklisting was intended to be for?
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Kôrô *********
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@Todd ********
 when I got deported, the stamp in my travel document didn’t mentioned anything about the amount of time I was blacklisted
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Linz ************
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@Kôrô ********
 how did you end up getting yourself on a black list?
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Kevin *************
What was the reason given to you ?
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@Kevin ************
 my visa was revoked back in January 2019, I did it through an agent ,who did mistake on it. Before applying for visa in May 2023, I checked from some people. They said no blacklist showing anymore. But unfortunately yeah it’s still there
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@Kôrô ********
 So you should try to remove yourself from the blacklist. I don't know for sure but I think should contact the embassy or immigration bureau and airport immigration to cancel the blacklist. I heard some did it by getting a lawyer. Or wait until the ban is finished.
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 yeah I contacted my lawyer today. He will work on it
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