Can You Re-enter Thailand After Receiving a Black Stamp and a Ban?

January 31, 2018
7 years ago
Kristofer ********
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Hi I need some advice on if it's possible to 're enter Thailand with a black stamp and a ban
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The discussion addresses the possibility of re-entering Thailand after receiving a black stamp and a ban. Several key points are highlighted: (1) There are distinctions between being denied entry, deported, and blacklisted; (2) Blacklisting often means a long-term ban which can be appealed, but re-entry is generally prohibited; (3) Legal avenues exist for those seeking to challenge their blacklist status, and hiring a lawyer is recommended; (4) Experiences shared indicate the severity of penalties for overstaying or legal violations.
Tod *********
There are three things that come into play.

-Denied entry <- that's when you fly in but are NOT stamped into the country and instead held and either sent to any country you can get into or back to the country your passport comes from.

-Deported <- that is when you are already INSIDE the country, run amuck and are "invited to leave". It doesn't mean you're blacklisted or banned at all. It means what ever happened was serious enough for them to ship you out of the country BUT you can turn around and come right back in if you want to.

-Black-listing or Banning <- that is when you are prohibited from re-entering the country for a defined period of time. Before the overstay penalties concerning blacklisting came into effect most people who were black listed for 99 years (lifetime). Now there are 1, 3, 5 and 10 year blacklisting due to overstay.
Robert *******
Nice plan, slap a police officer. My friend did that. They proposed 8 years but he confessed and only got 2 years in Thai prison. He looked well in court, nice orange jumpsuit and chains to hands and legs.
Tod *********
@Ter***
, nope being deported means you buy your own ticket out of the country or you camp out in IDC until you can afford to.
Robert ********
Thanks Tod.
Terary **********
Ok.... So if I run out of money and work. Can I get myself arrested and deported back to my home country -- will Thailand pay for that? Part of my going bust plan is to slap a police officer to get a free ride home (I would slap him hard enough to do any damage).
Tod *********
@Rob***
, I have seen people charged with smaller crimes be deported after their court case was adjudicated but not banned or blacklisted, meaning they could come right back.
Robert ********
Understand Tod, but not since the blacklist came into existance, correct?
Tod *********
@Rob***
, yep, totally have had people deported and then they turned around and flew right back in.

That happened a LOT when people would run amuck on shorter overstays before the overstay blacklisting rules took place.
Robert ********
But have you ever heard of someone being deported and NOT blacklisted for some period of time when there is a crime involved?
Tony *********
How Deportation Works in Thailand

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By Mark Anthony CamelloPosted on April 22, 2015in The Kingdom of Thailand

Thailand welcomes foreigners into its midst, but it also reserves the right to deport someone back to their home country as long as there is enough legal grounds for the government to do so. The Kingdom’s authority to deport a foreigner is governed by the Deportation Act B.E. 2499 of 1957, which was published on July 7, 1964 in the Royal Thai Government Gazette.

What is Deportation?

Deportation is the act of seizing a foreigner and sending him or her back to their home country or another country depending on the circumstances. Grounds for deportation include the following:

The alien has engaged in behavior that is deemed a threat to national security, like travelling to Thailand with the sole purpose of engaging in protests against the government or organizing such activities with other locals.The foreigner is identified as an internationally fugitive or an individual who is on the run from the law.The foreigner has insufficient documentation or authorization for traveling to Thailand. This is the case when illegal immigrants are deported out of the country.Overstaying the provisions of one’s visa can also lead to deportation. For instance, if a person is only holding a tourist visa and decides to overstay without making the necessary appearance before the authorities, then he or she is liable to be deported when the overstaying is reported to the government officials.Who Gives the Deportation Order?

The Ministry of the Interior holds the authority to give a deportation order against an errant foreigner. The Minister, of course, is also empowered to withdraw the deportation order against an individual or a group of foreigners if they are able to prove within the circumstances that the grounds against them for deportation hold no merit. This can do by filing the appropriate appeals to the Ministry of the Interior during the investigation period.

Is Deportation Immediate?

No, but the authorities will need to conduct an investigation to determine whether there are indeed grounds for deporting the foreigner. The investigation period is typically conducted within 7 days after a foreigner is arrested by the government. If the investigation takes longer than 7 days, a foreigner can either be temporarily freed unless a Court approves the extended detention.

Can You Try to Return to Thailand After Deportation?

It’s tempting to attempt to go back to Thailand after a specific period of time, but if you return before the deportation order expires, then the Thai government has grounds to imprison you for at most one year. You will also be deported again from Thailand in this case, usually in the same terms as the original deportation order.

Can You Differentiate Deportation from Blacklisting?

In a nutshell, deportation is more or less temporary because its effective period is shorter than blacklisting. You can go back to Thailand after the deportation order expires or is withdrawn. However, blacklisting means that you are prohibited from going back to Thailand for a very long time. Blacklists have an expiry period but they are longer than any individual’s lifetime so, if you are blacklisted, you effectively cannot visit Thailand again.
Tod *********
@Tony ********
, you need to understand that just being deported doesn't mean you can't turn around and come right back into the country.

Being deported is like being "invited to leave". You can buy a new ticket and come right back as long as you are no black listed.

That information is incorrect though, when you're deported there is no amount of time you need to be out of the country
Phil ******
@Kris*****
more to this story....only way is to hire a lawyer to get you back in
Terary **********
Not for nothing. Thailand is nice and I enjoy it. But if I had a 99 year ban I would come to Enjoy Bali more.
Josan ********
Wait after 99 years then
Kristofer ********
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Yes this is true
Tod *********
WOW, I would say if that's the case you definitely have grounds for an appeal.
Kristofer ********
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100g of cheese
Tony *********
2 months for that UNBELIEVABLE.
Kristofer ********
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Accidental theft of a 200 baht product witch later resulted in embezzlement
Gal *****
Why they arreste you if you have/had a work permit and visa and evreything was legal?
Grantio *****************
Appy for the visa in your own country first see what happens
Tod *********
i dunno about that
@Gra****
, ;) but I've seen enough first hand accounts of blacklisted people getting sent back to make me believe they don't get stamped in by accident :P
Grantio *****************
Well u know more than me Tod thats for sure
Tod *********
@Gra****
, I've never heard of ANYONE who was blacklisted for life get stamped into the country. :/

They're all stopped at the border they're trying to enter, denied entry and sent back to the country their passport comes from.
Grantio *****************
Thats if they have it on computer. U know the thais lol
Tod *********
he'd get the visa easy. None of the thai consulates are tied into a data base that tells if people are blacklisted. He'd just get denied entry when he came into the country and be shipped back to his country of origin.
Kristofer ********
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Means**
Kristofer ********
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It's about legally being able to work there again which mean m&s being welcomed through the gates
Kristofer ********
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Look I can get back in easy if I want but it's a silly idea. I don't want to come back for holidays. I want to work legally I have many opportunities there yacht work restaurants private hire chef
Kristofer ********
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I need welcomed
Kristofer ********
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It's a pointless venture to sneak back in
Kristofer ********
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Exactly what I mean x
Tod *********
getting into the country isn't the problem the borders are porous enough you can walk across and get into thailand.

getting into the country LEGALLY so you can pursue your trade, work and live here is the issue
Grantio *****************
Have go panang first i think
Grantio *****************
Hows he going to do a land crossing? From where woukd he get a flight to first?
Jeremy ********
Grantio *****************
Im sure your right but long travel and still need a visa later
Jeremy ********
@Grantio ****************
simple fly into Singapore, Malaysia Vietnam, etc and take a bus, taxi, etc....there were reports before of the land border crossings not on the same systems as the airports ....
Grantio *****************
Cant get in got go bkk first from most countrys
Tod *********
Good point. I don't think he's gonna get into the country legally by any border crossing
Tod *********
I somewhat agree with
@Jer***
, :O that 99 year black listing is the lifetime one. it can only be overturned via appeal thru the legal system.

I would say find a good reputable law firm and see what they say.

Benny Moafi, of Rachada Law Firm might be able to help but I'm not sure.

Good Luck

The part I don't agree with is that you could get in via ANY border because they're all linked together now and share a database. You either appeal the ruling and get it overturned or you're gonna pick a new country to come live in.
Jeremy ********
Since you did 2 months in prison and got the 99 year blacklist ban your only recourse will be to get a lawyer and try through the judicial system...good luck you might have a 2% chance...changing your name will not work in the system for Interpol it will show your old name as well, maybe a land border somewhere will work, but you will have to do your research...
Kristofer ********
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I can tell you I was arrested from work I had work permit and work visa I was there 3 years I spent 2 months in jail and then deported I was told 99year ban
Kristofer ********
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I was fully legally working
Kristofer ********
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Nut*
Kristofer ********
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In a bit shell
Kristofer ********
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2 months in jail stripped of permit house salary 60k fine worst experience ever in 2 jails then 99yr ban
Kristofer ********
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This is the basic facts I was maliciously treated by a Thai lady who was my boss in a western restaurant where I was paid more than her she hated me. I showed up to work with several bags of produce and one bag on my mother bike (personal) one item with a value of 200 baht was In my bag. Not only accused of theft but embezzlement
Tod *********
post a picture of the stamp and any documentation you got when you left the country and we'll see what it says
Tod *********
what is the reason you were black listed to thailand and how long was the ban for? Other than the overstay bans (which are different times according to the length of overstay) most of the bans are lifetime.
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