What steps do I need to take to move permanently to Thailand from the USA?

Sep 10, 2024
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Mitchell *******
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What do I need to do in order to move to Thailand permanently from USA?
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To move to Thailand permanently from the USA, you will typically need to obtain a visa that allows long-term stay, such as a retirement visa if you are over 50 years old. Key steps include ensuring you have sufficient funds or income, such as a minimum of 800,000 baht in a Thai bank, and potentially signing a lease for accommodation. It is advisable to keep your US bank accounts and phone number. You should also consider health insurance options while in Thailand. Consulting a visa agent can simplify the process, as they can provide guidance on the specific requirements and help with the necessary paperwork.
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Mike *******
I lived in Bangkok for three years. I had Medicare at that time. You cannot use Medicare overseas
Berkley *********
Money
John ****
A lot of people esp retirees are thinking of getting out due to the new or prospective taxes on earnings.
Danny ******
be over 50 and get a retirement visa and have a pension. Retirement visa means no working for somebody. You can work on yourself. Come over here to enjoy not work.
Paul ***************
Money
Deborah **********
I’m retired and have Medicare for health insurance. I just realized that I may not be able to use that. Does any one know the answer?
Mdl *****
@Deborah *********
yeah, if you stay in USA , do dollars work in England ?
Salali ********
@Deborah *********
safety wing is the way to go
Mark *********
@Deborah *********
From what I've read, you can't use it overseas.
Jasmine ********
Hello
@Mitchell ******
, you can apply for Thai PR to stay in Thailand permanently. The applicant must hold a passport with a Non-immigrant visa stamp and be allowed to stay in Thailand for at least 3 consecutive years with an annual visa extension until the date of application. The applicant must disclose information about income, assets, professional knowledge and relationship with Thai nationals or other appropriate information and be able to speak a little Thai for the interview. If you need any help, you should contact visathailand.com they are willing to help you about the visa process and it's free consult.
Stephen *******************
Philippines is much easier for an American citizen too live hassle free

Thailand is becoming a nightmare for long term residents unless you have a few million in your bank
Christopher *************
Nothing is permanent
Daniel *****
Christopher *************
@Daniel ****
depending on your religion you might believe different
Paul **************
That's easy after you want to be and what are you doing right now in America then
Christopher *******
Try Google
David ********
If you have Bt 800,000 in savings and a modest income of say US $1,200 to US $1,500. P/M you may get a DTV visa by seeing a Visa agent in your home country (hundreds of them also in Thailand), I suggest you will have a 95% chance of getting a retirement visa. You have to be over 50 Y/O. If you have that and savings it will be a piece of cake. Go to Thailand on a Thai tourist visa and see that agent he will guide you to a Thai Bank and do the business "See you in Thailand" Good luck. You can do it all yourself but with the Thai Tourist visa you get you will learn.

PS ... Many corrupt visa agents in Thailand will get you a retirement visa for less than Bt30,000, this is not really legal but it is common, in fact rife?
Neale *********
Get on a plane and go. But make sure you have plenty of money
Jeffrey ************
Money...
Simon **********
Get on a plane ✈️ 😂
Ken ***********
350k$usd investment in a place in Thailand is the fastest way besides getting married to a Thai person
Pierre *******
Laziness at its best.
Bonnie *********
Step 1: go to the Thai Embassy website for your area.
Sei *****
you need to be at least 50 years old
Lee ***********
Read read and keep reading so you educate yourself
Mdl *****
Contact a visa expert , but not just anyone
Andy ************
You can't move permanently. You can do a year at a time until Thailand decides you've overstayed your welcome
Ian *********
@Andy ***********
they will not let you renew eventually? Reasons?
Ian *********
@Andy ***********
damn sounds like a pain in the arse. Yeah I gotcha, I just figure after doing it for 10-15 years it would be simplified for some.
Andy ************
@Ian ********
Never gets easier, but it's a straightforward process. You get used to it eventually
Andy ************
@Ian ********
You don't renew. You extend your stay for twelve months if you meet the requirements
Ian *********
@Andy ***********
what ever word you wish to use, but what would be the reason on them forbidding you?
Andy ************
@Ian ********
If you don't meet the criteria for the extension. Each year is a whole new application and the requirements must be met each and every year. Some people think it's a simple renewal, but it's not
Edward ******
tell your bank in USA. That is strange. i would expect thy will close your account immediately.
Jake **********
Heaps.
John ********
60 day exempt . Day 2 hire a scooter , day 3 get hit by a truck , day 4 , die ! Day five get cremated , day 6 , ashes spread somewhere scenic . Permanent residency achieved ! Easy peasy !
Keith ******
Hide well
Stewart **********
Money
Dover **********
£££££££
Raquel ***********
Research
Ian *********
You can only buy condo’s as a foreigner, even with retirement status. Unless I’m wrong. I hear that’s not ideal if you want to sell it later on. So finding a nice woman here that you love and trust is the best choice. As all land purchases have to go through her.
Stewart **********
@Ian ********
-I agree Ian. Probably the best way to go. Just take your time and make sure this is your “lifetime” partner. Maybe two years together before that kind of move. I have more to add but not on a post here.

Cheers!
Stewart **********
@Ian ********
-true unless you’re American. It’s a little easier for us.

Several reasons…
Ian *********
@Stewart *********
you guys can lease land, which also isn’t ideal, I would think you would be paying top $ for the lease as a foreigner. you can buy business’s/condominiums, on the land but also in that case you don’t own the land, it’s easier for you guys to conduct businesses here but end result is still not owning any land.
Stewart **********
@Ian ********
-good point Ian. I will check. I do own my land but I bought 10 years ago when Rama IX was still alive.
Ian *********
@Stewart *********
interesting
Ian *********
My Thai partner gets me great deals on rentals so untill we marry and we want to build, that’s the route I’ll go
Neil ********
@Ian ********
you can set up agreements that help you to sell on the open market if it all goes wrong later or take a 30 year lease agreement so at least you can live in it
Joseph *********
Over 55 and financial

Healthy, no crim re ode a breeze

Did my own.
Ray **********
Money solves everything here
Pete ********
Just fly there mate stay hotel while look for apartment or house the rent one in an area you like and apply for retirement visa

Done and dusted mate
Curt ********
Get on an airplane
Mem *****
Why don’t you just go on the Thai website and educate yourself.
Armando **********
Have lots of money.
Paul ********
Go to the airport
William *********
Passport,car an motorcycle license to convert, Charles Schwab account, Capitol one credit card. Port your US mobile phone number to Google voice $20 one time charge. Think twice about moving to Phuket,the influx of foreigners and high prices in my opinion make it a no go. If you want to be sea side,Chomburi or Rayong Province.
AIA ******************************
You can buy my condo for starters
Ian *************
Suitcase and big wallet job done
Paul *******
Cannot move permanently unless you hold a Thai passport. If you are over 50, you cam get 1 year retirement visa from the Thai Embassy in the US followed by 1 year extensions of stay from Immigration office in Thailand. Subject to meeting the requirements.
Jim ********
Paul *******
@Jim *******
Must meet requirements and still not permanent.
Greg ********
@Paul ******
nothing in this world is permanent
Jim ********
@Paul ******
you have to meet requirements for any Visa.
Marty *********
So you are over 50, retired, possibly a wife?, and you’ve been here before

I suggest you get a non-immigrant O vise while still in the US. Once here get a bank account in the first month. You may possibly need an agent to do this these days. Find a place to live if you haven’t already done so. Those are going to be the essentials.

You are going to need money in a Thai bank for your 1 year extension of the O visa. Make you have the money available in your US bank.

I suggest that you not cut all your ties with the US immediately. Maintain a US address using a family member or friend. Keep a US bank and make sure you can send money by wire transfer to Thailand. Have two banks and two credit cards. Keep your US phone numbers and make sure it is a phone number that your bank will accept for 2 factor authorization.

For your passport, US drivers license, and credit cards make sure your expiration dates are as far out as you can make them.
Magnolia *********
U.S. citizen tourists entering Thailand for fewer than 60 days do not require a visa. We strongly recommend that your passport be valid for at least six months beyond the date of your arrival in Thailand to avoid possible denied entry. Thai immigration officials or airline staff may ask for your onward/return ticket.

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( you want onward ticket if you are not returning to USA.)
Terary **********
Move to a tax free state

Get google voice set-up

Open an investment bank account

Get mail forwarding service set-up

Sell/donate everything (seriously, you won't need it and you'll pay rent or burden a friend for junk you don't need).

That's about it. You'll need to figure out the proper visa for yourself. You will need income while you're here.
Nicole ****************
Sell everything, select a long term visa and book a place ticket
Russell *********
Lots of money 💰 ha
Robin **********
Why do people lack so much initiative that they post this sort of thing?
Dante **********
find some motion in your country and stay there Thailand doesn’t want guys like you here
Damien ********
@Dante *********
Dannyboy , why you 😞 so sad and alone ?
Koh ******************
Dennis ******
Why "taste just one"? I just bounce from country to country using tourist visas or visa exemptions. Easy to fill up a year in SE Asia. And I've reduced my "needs" to a carry-on bag, which makes travel much cheaper ... and easier.
Sue **********
@Dennis *****
How old are you? Also near 70 like the OP?0
Dennis ******
@Sue *********
77 ... years young 🙃
Rob **********
Research and education of one’s self. Retirement Visa probably the best.
Henrik *****
Start out with doing a testrun, at least 3 month, where you live on the same budget, as you will do when moving to Thailand.

Many find out that everyday life is very different from holiday life.

Do not expect to get a workpermit in Thailand, so how would you finance moving to Thailand.
Lucy **********
@Henrik ****
the company portage can be a solution for a work permit if he have a desire of doing some work there
JP *******
Win the lotto
Stephen ********
get over the fantasy
Brad *******
You’ll need a Visa. Many options now. Otherwise nothing really other than money to pay your way.
Xjwhudkwhry ********
you need to learn how to use internet search
Alan **********
Cash cash and more cash
Sam ******
Leave your American entitlements behind
Paul *******
Money, passport and a plane ticket. Everything can be arranged here. Don't bring anything. A small suitcase with summer clothes is all you'll need.
Peter *****************
Simple lot of cash married a Thai with no freebies.
Giovanni **********
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Eric *****
Try none o retired visa
Philip *****
It’s going to be extremely hot forever
Simon **********
Buy a house !
Sue **********
@Simon *********
Not good advice. In his age (68) wouldn‘t buy anything.
Danny *******
@Simon *********
Better to rent since you can never own the land.
Robert *********
Contact your nearest Thai embassy for the correct list applicable to you
Paul *******
A lot of people establish residency in a no state tax state (Nevada, Texas) eliminates yearly state tax
Marty *********
@Paul ******
After 2 years in Thailand I decided it was a permanent move and stopped paying California taxes. Whatever state you are from, if you don’t live there then you don’t have to pay taxes.
Paul *******
@Marty ********
if you ever move back to the USA that state may go after you for back taxes
Marty *********
@Paul ******
On the flip side, I become a tax resident by living in Thailand more than 180 days. It didn’t matter before but this year it does due to some new interpretations of the tax rules. The US and Thailand have a tax treaty the prevents double taxation but exactly how this is going to play out is still not known.
Marty *********
@Paul ******
Not at all. You do not have to pay taxes in a state you do not live in. That is true if you move from one state to another in the US. You only pay where you are a tax resident. You may be a tax resident in two states during the first year transition or if you maintain a business, property, or certain other ties to your previous state. There are tax residency criteria but if you don't meet those criteria and no longer live in the state then you don't pay taxes there. That is true if you move abroad as well. I do pay federal taxes and I vote by mail through my previous CA voting office.

Earlier this year I got a letter from the CA Franchise Tax Board saying that they noticed that I didn't file a tax return in 2019, my first year of not filing CA taxes. They said I owed $6,000. I sent them a copy of my passport showing that I hadn't been in the US more than a couple of weeks for the past 4 years. I also sent them copies of my Thai drivers license and Thai government pink ID card. They responded that I was no longer a tax resident and could disregard the earlier notice. (Note - they sent the notice to my address in rural Thailand)
Greg ********
@Marty ********
I bet that felt good telling calif to shove it 🤣
Marty *********
@Greg *******
I was expecting the worst and was pleasantly surprised.
Sam ***********
I have a Thai wife
@Zac****
. That will make it easier? And I’m over 50.
Donny *******
Start with an extended stay visa. I guess a lot of people screw up by liking Thailand enough to overstay their visa. Then they get banned for a couple years (I’m not sure if it’s always like this in every situation). Im actually getting ready to move there in a few months.
Zachary **********
A Thai wife
Jay ****
Very easy if 50+. Do you know what area you plan to live? I can refer you to VERY GOOD agent I use.
Bruce *********
Ok Thanks
Bruce *********
@Jay ***
I would take that information if you have it?My wife and I want to move there?
Jay ****
@Bruce ********
I'll pm u
Mitchell *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Jay ***
going to check out Hau Hin in February
Jay ****
@Mitchell ******
I'll be there. If you need an agent, lmk. She got my drivers licenses, bank account, non o.
Jet ********
Put US$20,000 into a bank account get a lease agreement for at least one year and submit the rest of the paperwork. It’s easier to use an agency but that is up to you.
Mark **************
Have enough money!
Pertti *************
Buy ticket and come here. Don't know system there but get address to you from your child etc and keep US phone number if pensions etc need handle back states.. you stay alive nice here if you have 1000$ monthly income. Visa is easy and cheap if you have 800.000baht to deposit thai bank or sufficient monthly income. If you come pattaya we can help you what we have time. We work here.
Roger *******
Get on a plane and go
Gene *********
So much information online that you can piece it together. The Facebook pages do offer some additional info but a lot of the comments are people having fun.
Martin *********
Get on a plane
Mario *******************
Money 💰
Alison *****************
Im not surprised your leaving your country its a nightmare with everything going on there good luck in your move
Mitchell *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Andy ************
Balls
Joe **********
Money… You need MONEY 😅
Craig *********
Have you spent much time there in the past?
John ********
Have you ever been to The Land of Smiles?
Colin ***************
Research. Like we all did. 5 5 5
Tom ********
@Colin **************
what’s 5 5 5?
Colin ***************
@Tom *******
The number 5 in Thai is Ha
Ron ******
@Tom *******
In Thai number 5 is ha.
Tom ********
Jennifer ******
@Tom *******
5 is Ha in thai.
Kenny **********
I definitely get a one year visa to learn Thai or a volunteer Visa that's a year see how you like it then invest in a retirement Visa cuz that's $20,000 to put in the bank account and can't touch it
T ****************
Hope you have enough money
Paulina ****************
Denis *****
Retirement after 62.
David ******
@Denis ****
why 62? Just asking.
Marty *********
@David *****
62 is the age you can begin to collect US Social Security. You can claim between 62-70.
David ******
@Marty ********
okay, that is just social security. I honestly hope I am not relying on government SS for retirement. 😁. But I understand what you mean.
Martin *********
Mitchell *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Denis ****
I’m 68
Denis *****
@Mitchell ******
retirement visa in Thailand after 50. No problem absolutely.
Ned *******
Can you work remotely?

Are you a small business owner / entrepreneur?

Are you retired ?
Paul **************
@Ned ******
in Thailand I am looking for a three years and you can working until you dead over there if you have to if Thai citizens you might get money support from Thailand people but the simple in USA as well when you there in the Thailand you will know more about it than here
Ned *******
@Paul *************
yes, I know my Thai friends struggle here.
Paul **************
@Ned ******
because he's still in USA
Mitchell *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Ned ******
retired
Ned *******
@Mitchell ******
retirement O-Visa is your best bet. Search for “Thai Visa Center” they have a decent English speaking staff and are known for dealing with that specific visa.
Janet **********
Join coopers thai adventure on You Tube. He will explain everything.
Matthew ********
*****
00 baht in the bank.
Jeffrey ************
@Matthew *******
That won't go far 😂😂😂
Matthew ********
@Jeffrey ***********
not for me anyhow
Camellia ************
Matthew ********
You won't get far with that though. I met an Indian on a bus that said an agent put the money in his account took a photo of statement then took it back out. Guess it's who you know sometimes.
Matthew ********
@Camellia ***********
yeah about 40,000 Australian I've been told
Wade *********
Have a back up plan
Tod *********
Hello, I would appreciate some advice. Thank you in advance. Well anyways I’m gonna be moving to Thailand with a retirement visa. Do I need to have a 12 month lease signed ahead of time or what do I tell immigration. Immigration will not be asking for me to have a return ticket. Also, do you have a health insurance that I should get to get into country for that year? What’s the best deal?
Paul **************
@Tod ********
not the way everything you have to start over later on if you want to stay there and you have to buy yourself no one covers your healthcare no deal in Thailand
Joseph *********
@Tod ********
try this number...brokers....they have many options....over 70 ND a Thai company would t touch you
Simon **********
@Tod ********
ask the Internet. As well. If you need to talk to any one in usa there's always the net
Stephen *******
Have deep pockets
Joseph *********
@Stephen ******
not really
Kashif *******
wow great country move easy peasy ...
Neil ********
Lots of cash, a one way ticket and a visa before you leave.
Martin *********
@Neil *******
u get the visa on arrival then you can apply for a retirement visa.
Stephen *****
Easy it goes like this

Sale your house -> buy a plane ticket -> fall in love with a thai woman -> $0 in bank account cant go back to USA
Brian *********
Mdl *****
@Stephen ****
you're not funny
Stephen *****
@Mdl ****
so is you, cant help if you have a sad life
Mdl *****
@Stephen ****
that's not even English, I've no idea what you mean !
Stephen *****
@Mdl ****
sure 👍 stay in thailand and teach ur english
Mdl *****
@Stephen ****
you're very strange
Laurie ******
@Stephen ****
SAD person😪😪
Brad *******
You can stay 90 days immediately ... Contact a visa agent when you get there....several visa options
Martin *********
@Brad ******
60 days
Mdl *****
Joann ********************
@Martin ********
plus 1 month extension
Marty *********
@Joann *******************
You cannot get a one year extension with a 60 day visa exempt entry. You have to start with an O or OA visa.
Jonathan *******
@Martin ********
can be extended for 30 days one time
Mdl *****
@Jonathan ******
60 can be extended to 120
Jonathan *******
@Mdl ****
30 days extension for a visa exempt
Lucy **********
- Don’t forget to inform the irs for your taxes before leaving!

- tel your bank

And maybe see which bank in Thailand they partner with to open a bank account over there and help you with the withdrawals and exchange rates

- get yourself a health insurance working in Thailand. Some banks have some but better to compare.

- open a trust for your family in the U.S. … in case

- don’t bring too much with you because the rentals are fully furnished and clothes may not be adequate in Thailand and are cheap there.

And depending on your age and work they are all kind of visas now. Even digital nomad.
Lucy **********
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Neil ******
@Lucy *********
you don’t need to inform the IRS you are relocating. You just file your tax return every year as normal.
Lucy **********
@Neil *****
if you don’t inform them in advance you may get issues with the irs. Happens a lot. It’s just an advice.
Neil ******
@Lucy *********
there is no law requiring this at all. The IRS receives your address when you file your tax return. And, zero issues whatsoever. The IRS does not care where you live. The US government in general does not care where you live. As long as you file your tax returns, you will have no problems with the IRS (unless you're audited).
Lucy **********
@Neil *****
I am not saying it’s an obligation to file the 8822 it’s just highly recommended
Neil *********
@Lucy *********
Although if you have big/wide feet, buy “shoes” in USA!!!
Bigd **********
@Lucy *********
why inform IRS?
Joe ********
@Lucy *********
why would you need to inform your IRS? You would still be paying taxes in the US?
Lucy **********
@Joe *******
so correct you still have to file as a U.S. citizen until your last day on earth for your taxes and your bank accounts in Thailand will be reported to the irs. But by precaution it’s recommended to inform in advance the irs of your departure with the form 8822. Better so you get notified of everything and you don’t have bad surprises
Mitchell *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Lucy *********
thank you
Lucy **********
@Mitchell ******
hope it helps you 🙏🏼
Lucy **********
And one last thing freeze your credit at the credit bureau so nobody opens a mortgage in your name while you are gone.
Brenda *********
@Lucy *********
how do you do that?
Audie ******
@Brenda ********
go to each credit bureaus web site. They walk you through it..it’s very easy process
Lucy **********
@Brenda ********
what dear? The freezing of the credit or something else in my list ?
Brenda *********
@Lucy *********
freez your credit?
Larry **********
@Lucy *********
wow Lucy good advice
Sasi ************
I’m in a process of moving back myself but I am Thai so no visas hassle but deciding on where to live is still a challenge, despite I’ve own properties and multiple houses.

Have you been living in Thailand before?

A friendly reminder, Try different areas of the country before deciding.
Anthony *********
@Sasi ***********
I assume you miss your home country a lot..
Mitchell *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Sasi ***********
we have been 3 areas and plan to visit 2 or 3 more soon
John ********
@Mitchell ******
Why was I in the post but now it’s we. How many are there of I or we. Might help with an answer to your question
William *********
Money
Тодор **********
@William ********
he said he is American. That's enough money 😂
Graham ******
How old are you because if over 50 you can do it with a reitrement Visa and annual extensions?
Mike ******
@Mitchell ******
As another said get a ticket. You can come for 60 days no visa and extend on a 1 year retirement visa. There are longer options, but I advise doing one year first. I am on my third and it's easy enough to get, but they have a new 5 year which I will try next. Also don't ever send anyone money in Thailand or for that matters any country.
Brenda *********
@Mitchell ******
that’s all you need
Henrik *****
Be careful about people, only giving advice in pm.
Chang ******
@Mitchell ******
do not use agency

You can apply yourself for free its easy

If not comfortable use agency spen it high as
*****
thb or more
Graham ******
@Mitchell ******
You can get a retirement Visa before you travel giving you 90 days (Non-O) or one year (Non-OA) on entry
Graham ******
@Jim *******
With a very high financial requirement
Jim ********
@Graham *****
$80k/year passive income.
David **************
@Graham *****
first time I heard of a Non-OA
Marty *********
@David *************
I came on an OA in 2017. They added a health insurance requirement to this visa in 2019 so most people avoid it these days. Once you start doing 1 year extensions it is no different than the O visa except for the insurance requirement.
Kenny **********
@Mitchell ******
get a plane ticket it's all..
Mitchell *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Graham *****
68 and I’m retired. I collect social security and have a pension
Pete ********
@Salali *******
don’t trust people like this to start with
@Mitchell ******
every Thai person knows an agent who can ‘help’ you
Kenny **********
@Salali *******
be very careful trusting people they're different reference
Salali ********
@Mitchell ******
send me a PM. I can connect you with the right person for a retirement visa. I an Thai but live in the US as well.
Adonis ******
Get a lady boy
Christopher *******
@Adonis *****
that’ll be easy. They’ll meet you at the airport
Rob *********
@Adonis *****
not everyone is on your plan.
Greg ******
@Adonis *****
ya simple.
Sarinya **********
@Adonis *****
is dat funny?
Mdl *****
@Sarinya *********
definitely not
Brunt *******
@Adonis *****
and learn to eat somtam as well 😂
Chang ******
Chang ******
@Adonis *****
best answer of month
Chris *********************
@Adonis *****
not everyone is the same way out as you
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