What are the best long-term visa options for an American expat wishing to live in Thailand?

Feb 18, 2024
10 months ago
Erik *********
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Hey yall I recently visited Thailand in November into December and I fell in love with the culture the lifestyle and everything else about Thailand I’m from the US and I desperately want to move to Thailand. I’m not sure what route to take. I know there’s visa options but I’m not sure. Which one I should apply for as I want to stay long-term a year or more. If any of you have advice on what route to take, I would love to hear I’m retired by medical discharge from the military and I do have, a pension coming in although I’m only 38 years old and now at the retirement age
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A user expresses a desire to move to Thailand long-term but is unsure of the visa options available. Comments suggest several possible routes, such as the Elite Visa, Education Visa, and involvement in business. Some users recommend hiring a visa service for assistance, while others share experiences of living between multiple Southeast Asian countries to avoid visa complications. Caution is advised regarding immigration rules and the potential issues with living on tourist visas.
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Robert ********
We know they just keep rushing in. The subject line is missing
Łukasz ********
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Brown ********
And everything else about Thailand? Lol. Be honest mate. You fell in love with one of the young girls 555. We all do at some point
Andrew *******
Seems to be many Americans wanting to move to Thailand .. maybe not so great in the US anymore 😩
Andrew *******
What's the difference between America and a tub of yoghurt.... A tub of yoghurt has more culture 😂😂
Carl ***********
Erik *********
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@Andrew ******
the US is terrible. This is coming from a man who served this country and I can’t stand this country.
Ernesto ********
@Erik ********
curious your reasons to not like your country?
Erik *********
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@Ernesto *******
for starters inflation is incredibly high it’s politically crippled, seriously divided and has absolutely no culture here.
Ernesto ********
@Erik ********
I think voting republican will solve a lot of issues. Not sure why you would mention culture
Erik *********
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@Ernesto *******
voting doesn’t matter in this country anymore I believe it all to be rigged now either way I and so many others are not happy in this country, I mentioned culture because it’s part of why I’d like to live in Thailand
Ernesto ********
@Erik ********
I think what you meant to say was you prefer Thai culture over American culture. USA has a lot of culture. I’ve been to Thailand and enjoy it but US has too many conveniences that are hard to forget about. You have to remember you will always be a visitor and a foreigner in Thailand regardless of your visa
Erik *********
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@Ernesto *******
no I meant what I said lol

Do you or have u been to America ? America has no culture at all just because other cultured people moved here doesn’t mean America has a culture a multicultural country is not a culture at all

I don’t mind being a “visitor or foreigner “ at all I’m very pleased with how friendly Thai people are and I’m happy to follow the rules and just be a part of their paradise
Ernesto ********
@Erik ********
I can see now why you want to quit and move away. Good luck with your future.
Alan ******
@Andrew ******
If it's like OZ it ain't.
Tom *********
I suggest spending both a wet season and dry season to see if the climate is agreeable with you. Spend part of the time off the tourist trail.
Paul ********
There are some new condo’s selling with a visa as a bonus maybe look into that. But remember if it’s a 10 year one you might have to hop around for the last 2 years
Lyndon *********
@Paul *******
how do you find these ?
Paul ********
@Lyndon ********
they are all over Pattaya and it says on the sale boards outside them
Ken ******
why needs attention

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558 thai stat
Ken ******
at present, air quality is the most pressing problem

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Ken ******
every country has its own

rule,so far it seems the

philippines is most friendly and

much less restrictive, nothing

like 90 day or TM30, for retirees, same for malaysia
Ken ******
you probably know all the

pros including cheaper living cost (depend on regions)

housing, friendly people,

and culture. Air quality,

floods, public road safety

and pavement conditions

need improvement (just

look up internet for details).

Air quality can be checked

real time downloading

some apps. For long

stayers, there are some

reporting requirements

such as 90days report on

residence, which is not very

convenient. Starting this

year, new tax on remitted

income earned abroad.
Hilary ******
Watch “
@Settle ***********
” on YouTube - Amanda Gedney explains the different options available.

Thank you for your service ✌️
Xr ***
I spent 3.5 years going around different countries in south east asia on tourist visa.. maybe check out some other countries and places in the countries before deciding to settle any one place.
Aaron ******
I would suggest visiting other similar countries first.

One can be a long term tourist in some (Philippines is basically forever) while being nomadic between several keeps you within the rules of being a tourist in others.

Yes there are ways to stay in Thailand long term before 50. Some are grey area and some are 100% above board.

But until you have experienced several countries and areas within each you really can’t know what you like or don’t.

Given Thailand doesn’t want people living there on the wrong visas it is worth traveling more to be sure you want to put in the effort.

Once you are 50 as long as you have the income/assets it is relatively easy to stay in Thailand.

Before that why not not make sure it is best for you?
Frank **********
Unfortunately all that is irrelevant in Thailand. A retirement visa is for people 50 and over. There are Education Visas, Non B Visa if you have a job in Thailand. Other long term visas with high financial requirements. Best to take a peek at the Thai Embassy website in the US for visa types and requirements. Thank you for your service from a retired Army NCO.
Danny ******
it’s either a invest into a business with money to get your visa since you’re under 50 or education visa.🙏🌞🇹🇭
Kevin *************
You guys talk about the Elite Visa like it is easy to get? What am I missing?
Andrew *******
@Kevin ************
maybe a few hundred K 😅😂
Kim **********
@Andrew ******
Thai Privilege Card (aka Elite Visa) is 900,000 THB which is roughly $25,000 US for a 5 year stay. Pass a criminal background check and not having filed for bankruptcy are the most important criteria
Kevin *************
@Andrew ******
Thats what I thought. Aint happening. Can use that money to a visa run to many places and take a break from the heat, the filth, and the ignorance. It is nice sometime to go other places for a visa run just to have an educated conversion with the locals.
Andrew *******
@Kevin ************
yep ...makes sense
Robert *******
Try Bangkok Buddy
Darin ********
Just get educated via and learn Thai language for 12 months
Mel ******
I just came to Singapore with usa passport and got 90 days

On arrival

So you might add that into the mix of countries
Rob **********
Look at the elite visa, or privilege visa as it’s now called, it’s probably your best option. You might be retired in the US but to get any visa based on retirement for Thailand you must be minimum 50 years old.
Peter ********
Go back there for 90 days on a tourist visa and do more research, you can’t go somewhere for a few weeks and decide you want to retire there. SO many people make the same mistakes over and over 🤔
Robert *********
Multiple entry tourist visa gets you 9 months .

Enough to know if you really want to live here .

If so ,you can figure it out here
Michael ********
Get METV and get nearly 9 months visas out of that and explore more and see if this is really the place for you. Then look at further options
David **********
Anything is possible in Thailand if you have the right 💰 and know the right people
AmerAsian *******
Just a word of advice if you fell in love with this place because of the drinking and the women you got another thing coming. Many I mean many have fallen in that trap and you will soon find out how paradise turns into hell overnight. I say do more research and be very careful with these girls the drinking partying and scammers don’t you ever send money to nobody. Do an education visa you don’t have to go to class 😉. Can renew a few times. Just read pattaya news how some of these fools are jumping of condo High rises. The numbers are alarming. 🤣
Tom **********
Philippines has a visa for you
Sven ********
Education Visa.
Andre *********
Elite visa is now over 100k
Kim **********
@Andre ********
Thai Privilege Card (aka Elite Visa) is 900,000 THB which is roughly $25,000 US for a 5 year stay. Don't know where you get 100K
Sarah *********
Can I get a retirement visa at 55? With multiple entries?
Alan ******
Graham ******
@Sarah ********
Retirement Visa is 50+, Non-OA is 12 month multi-entry
Sarah *********
@Graham *****
thank you. 🇹🇭
Karim ***************
What’s her name?
Larry ******
It's very easy to stay 11 months without worries if you time it right. Come around June 5th with a 60 day tourist visa, extend it for 30 days, then do two land border runs with extensions for an extra 4 months. That should then take you right to the beginning of January when you can then do 2 more land border runs with extensions. Voila!
David **********
@Larry *****
exactly
AL ********
Call a visa service they charge very little for what they do tell them exactly what you want they will save you a lot of aggravation
Steve *******
Elite visa is your best option
AxMdob *******
Do what u want bro but please don t use thaigirlfriends , all are gold diggers, there

If you apply you will save tons of money
Erik *********
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@AxMdob ******
lol I remember that app and I quickly learned you are right

Apply for what ?
Sherry ********
What my husband and I did is we hired an agent in Bangkok and he took care of all of our visas and our banking for us we also hired an agent in Bangkok that provided us with our health insurance. I know it cost a little bit more money to hire an agent, but better safe than sorry.
Jeffrey **********
@Sherry *******
A lot of shady agents out there
Dianne *****
@Jeffrey *********
yup, my friend's agent who helped set up her business, is in prison now
AL ********
@Sherry *******
what service did you use I’m in Hua Hin I use a local service
AL ********
@Sherry *******
very good advise
Erik *********
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@Sherry *******
how would I find a trusting agent with all that info
James **********
@Erik ********
doesn't apply to you
Sean *********
Get an education visa and learn the language of the people/ country you love. It’s a win-win!
Erik *********
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@Sean ********
I want to actually, but as I look online a lot of them seem like scams ?
Sean *********
@Erik ********
there are plenty of good schools. Just look at reviews or ask in the forum. Or, you could learn Muay Thai or self defense.
Duncanc **********
If you split your time between Thailand, Malaysia and maybe Vietbam then you won’t need to bother with any visas at all

You’ll also have a greater experience
Brown ********
@Duncanc *********
only issue with this is immigration will eventually deny him entry due to this new drive to stop people living in Thailand on visa exempt and tourist visas
Duncanc **********
@Brown *******
Maybe, maybe not.

Worked well for over 20 years ;)
Tracey **********
@Duncanc *********
I agree!! We are currently touring SE Asia for 18 months and loving it.. makes the Visa situation so much easier however we are 60 so the retirement visa good for us. Currently in Da Nang and loving it! Great advice!
Erik *********
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@Duncanc *********
that’s kinda what I’d like to do is be able to travel all around Asia

Could you explain this in more detail please
Duncanc **********
@Erik ********
Sure.

Thailand gives you 30 days on arrival. (Extend to 60 days in country)

Malaysia gives you 90 days on arrival

Vietnam gives me 45 days on arrival (not sure about US)

So just bounce between the countries. Flights are very cheap

You could also add Cambodia to the list
Erik *********
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@Duncanc *********
see that what I was thinking is that legal ? Also how many times am I able to reenter ?
Lien ******
@Erik ********
as US citizen you have to apply for visa before arriving in Vietnam which gives you 90 days. Vietnam doesn't do extension so you have to leave VN after 90 days
Duncanc **********
@Erik ********
It’s perfectly legal to be a tourist in most countries.

There is no limit to the number of times you can enter a country. (Thailand has a restriction on land border crossings. I believe twice a year but I always fly so never worried about that)

If you’re planning on something other than visiting then you need to apply for the appropriate visa. From your description of your plan you’ll be fine on tourist entry.
Frances ********
@Duncanc *********
I would completely agree; we’ve been coming to Thailand since 2016 on 30 day exemptions, stay 30 days, fly out to Bali or Malaysia or wherever and stay/visit there at least 2 weeks. Then return to Thailand on a new 30 day exemption (we’re US). We entered Thailand once in 2023 like this. Entered first time from Vietnam. We stayed 30 days then left for Malaysia; stayed in Penang about 10 days then flew to Laos and stayed for 10 days there. Then flew back to Thailand expecting another 30 day exemption. Actually, this “second” entry was the first in 2024! But my partner was chastised by the immigration officer! She scolded him “next time get a proper visa”. We are both retirement age, but do not wish to retire here in Thailand. We just want to stay 60-90 days. After my partner was scolded, something was typed into the computer and he was given his 30 day exemption stamp. We both were surprised and still don’t comprehend what, if anything, we did wrong. We come to Thailand and visit here and all over SoEastAsia every year. We didn’t apply for a 60 day visa because none of our trips involved staying 60 days in one stretch of time here in Thailand. But now I’m wondering if immigration isn’t happy with people arriving on a 30 day exemption more than just once. Air or land.
Erik *********
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@Duncanc *********
thank you 🙏

Is there restrictions as to how long I have to be out of the country before I return like a day or 30 days before I return
Duncanc **********
@Erik ********
Nothing written - but your story needs to make sense/be believable to the immigration officer.

Somebody flying out for an hour and turning straight around isn’t breaking any rule - but it looks like obvious abuse of the system.

Don’t abuse the system.

Why would somebody fly out to Malaysia and then turn around without actually seeing anything?

Oh yeah … they’re working illegally and need to be back at work or some other dumb shit.
Roberto *********
At 38 the best option is Elite Visa
Lien ******
Are you medical discharged or medical retired from the military? The reason why I'm asking is medical discharge doesn't give you Tricare so you only have VA as health insurance but they only cover service connected conditions overseas and its a pain to claim with them. So either have medical insurance or money in case something happens (but usually you have to pay upfront then get reimbursement no matter which insurance).

Visa since you're not at retirement age you can't get retirement visa. Other options would be marriage, education visa, investment visa, or visa run
Erik *********
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@Lien *****
I am not medically discharged I am honorably discharged with service connected disability for ptsd

Could you explain the investment visa and the visa run ?
Lien ******
@Erik ********
so technically you aren't retired from the military either. You're just honorable discharge and receive VA benefits due to your health conditions which means you only have the VA as health insurance and for overseas you have to enroll into VAFMP but as I've said it's only for service connected conditions and it takes forever to get reimbursement according to many vets.

Investment visa not many recommend this for long stay because it's a lot to handle and you only can own 49% of the company and 51% has to be owned by a Thai.

Visa run I was told by many that I could apply for METV to get in which gives me 60 days after that I have to request for extension which gives me another 30 days. After those 90 days I have to leave thailand to go to the neighbor countries and apply for METV again to repeat the process but I would ask someone specifically who has done that because Thailand changes visa rules like changing underwear 😂
Wylie *******
@Lien *****
an METV visa is good for 6 months. Each time one enters on that visa they get 60 days which can be extended to 90 as you say. The part you are getting incorrect is you don't have to apply for a new one after that if the visa is still valid. All you have to do is leave the country and return to get another 60 day entry stamp and 30 day extension using the same visa. If you get your timing right and then leave the country and return just prior to to the visa expiring you can do it a 3rd time. All total one can get close to 9 months of stay in Thailand out of an METV.
Lien ******
@Wylie ******
oh ok, that's even better. Thanks for correcting me
Dianne *****
@Lien *****
also you can't get another METV from.a neighbouring country, you have to return to your own country to get a subsequent METV. However you can get a SETV from Thai embassies or consulates in neighbouring countries. However the days of living on back to back tourist visas ended around 2017
Ernesto ********
@Lien *****
sorry marriage is not an option for him as well. Visa run is not an option either.
Lien ******
@Ernesto *******
if he marries a Thai then surely he can get marriage visa.

Visa run surely works if he applies for METV that allows him to stay 60 days then request extension for 30 days. After those 90 days he leaves Thai to Vietnam or wherever and repeats. I've never done it but read many have and was recommended to do that
Ernesto ********
@Lien *****
at this moment he does not quality for a marriage extension. Visa runs are not viable long term options
Erik *********
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@Ernesto *******
why wouldn’t I qualify?
Lien ******
@Erik ********
cause you're not married to a Thai that's why 😅
Erik *********
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@Lien *****
lol I mean that makes sense haha
Ernesto ********
@Erik ********
are you married to a Thai?
Ernesto ********
You are technically not retired. You are just choosing not work. You are separated from military due to medical issues. Those realities don’t qualify for any visa outside tourist visa or elite visa. Maybe get an education visa or find a job in Thailand
Erik *********
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@Ernesto *******
well I’m not separated because of medical issues I’m an honorably discharged combat vet, and receive compensation for post medical issues that are service connected

Are education and work visas my only option?
Andy *******
@Erik ********
No, you are probably better qualified then most Thais to be running the country
Sonda *******
@Erik ********
buy an elite visa for 10 years
Doug ***********
@Erik ********
Ty for your service
Melanie ********
@Erik ********
unfortunately that didn’t mean a thing for the Thai government. They are black ‘ white with nothing in between

Retirement visas are 50 yrs & over

That’s it
Amy *******
@Erik ********
thank you so much for your service 🙏🙏
Erik *********
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@Amy ******
it was an honor thank you very much
Ernesto ********
@Erik ********
very few countries beside USA let foreigners live long term in their country without proper long term visa
Jan ******************
@Erik ********
METV could give you up to nine months in Thailand before you re-apply
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Jan ******************
@Erik ********
Elite visa is an option if you can and are willing to pay.
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Amir ********
Go study thai and get a student visa
Amir ********
@Jan *****************
900k its crazy
Jan ******************
@Amir *******
Agree, and sad it’s so difficult to spend time in TH as a retired not reached 50 years.
Erik *********
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@Jan *****************
what exactly is the elite visa
Jan ******************
@Erik ********
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Erik *********
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@Jan *****************
yeah I don’t have $25k
Jan ******************
@Erik ********
Ok, as mentioned beside student visa, an option for longer stays are METV, but it doesn’t let you live in TH for 12 years. You might have to consider to have a base for a time in a surrounding county with softer long stay terms, eks Cambodia.
Erik *********
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@Jan *****************
well I was thinking more for like 1-2 years to start
Jan ******************
@Erik ********
Ok, maybe it’s a good idea to start with a Multiple Entries Tourist Visa first. This gives you up to nine months first and you can renew at home or apply for a up too three months single entry Tourist Visa after. Be aware of if you later want to have a permanent retirement visa you anyway have to show proof of 800K in a Thai bank when you apply for the first one year extension from TH.
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Ernesto ********
@Erik ********
if you want long term stay in Thailand, you need long term visa. Your do not qualify for extension of visa based on retirement. You need either education or find a Thai employer to sponsor you
Erik *********
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