What precautions should I take when renting property in Thailand to avoid scams?

Jul 31, 2024
4 months ago
Peter ********
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G'day all, I will be moving to Thailand later in the year and will rent to begin with. Is there precautions i need to take or scams i need to be aware of when renting a property in Thailand thanks.
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When renting property in Thailand, it's crucial to take various precautions to avoid potential scams and disputes. First, document the condition of the property with extensive photographs on move-in, noting any existing damage. Ensure your rental contract clearly states the responsibilities regarding repairs and what happens at the end of the lease regarding your deposit. Be aware that landlords may charge inflated rates for utilities, so know the standard rates beforehand. It's also vital to confirm that your landlord registers the TM30 address notification, which is necessary for immigration purposes. Always research the going rental rates in the area to avoid being overcharged, and consider using a reputable estate agent to help you navigate the market.
Martin *********
Deposits
Sonny **********
As in many places around the world renters are not always seen as customers. Although you are paying, the owner will see your stay as a privilege they are extending to you.

Owners do not see any natural wear to the house / unit as their responsibility.

Check that the refrigerator and freezer work before signing anything. I made that mistake more than once and guess what?

Learn to clean and maintain your air conditioner(s). Thai style is to let them get so dirty that they begin dumping water from the front. Owners can be reluctant to pay for the cleaning past the first time. Having repair people come in to do it for you is cheap but they often don’t do the job right, are always late and don’t always clean up after themselves.

Discuss the TM30 before signing. Be 100% certain they understand their legal responsibility to cooperate.

I had to vacate, break my lease twice in Korat. Once, there was a tremendous ant infestation going on that was not apparent at signing. When I reported the problem it was, “sorry, Thailand has insect, not like your country”. The other time my first month’s electric bill was 7000 baht for 15 days of sporadic use. “sorry, government rate, maybe you should use a fan”.

You could fight these things, better to just be very careful first.
Tim *********
Negotiate hard to keep the deposit low, and assume you probably won't see it again. But rents here are so low, generally, you'll forget it quickly anyway.

I'd advise you to keep renting. It's dirt cheap. Let someone else worry about maintenance. Easy to move if a problem crops up, or of you fancy another (part of the) country. And, if you died here (got to look at the possibility) it would be a nightmare for your heirs to manage a sale to get your money out
Andy **********
First check out the going rental rates in the area you want to stay in, check the electric rate, (always take a photo of the meter the day you move in) water rates, ask the landlord if he will register your TM30, you will need for immigration purposes, I personally wouldn't rent anywhere with a big deposit, some have had difficulties when it comes to getting it back upon moving out, take photos of anything in the accommodation if it's damaged and point it out to the landlord.
Henrik *****
No refundable.
Harry *********
You say you will rent “to begin with “ the implication being you will later buy . Personally I would advise against buying anything in Thailand concerned with property . Keep renting and you keep the flexibility to move
Taz **********
Ask the owner what they charge for electric and water per unit

Some properties the electric ect will either be in your name or the bill will just come to you despite it being the owners name

However some will impose their own Tarif, so they will be billed by the set rate for electric by unit used then they will charge a higher unit price to the renter, this can be sometimes double the amount they pay

A fair amount is to only be charged 1-2 baht higher then the set rate, however some charge between 8-10 baht over the set rate

This could mean you are paying approximately 3,000 baht more every month which could be approximately 36,000 baht extra every year & this money is better in your own pocket

This all depends on your personal electricity usage, mainly influenced by how much you use an aircon
Taz **********
Some also charge 100 baht per person per month for water usage which is more than the average person actually uses however they will complain if they see you using a lot of water

This isn’t always the case

However best to ask if they impose a unit price ect or the bill is direct from the PEA (provincial electricity authority) to you
Steve ***************
Since 2017 I have changed condos on a number of occasions and always for the same reason. A noisy neighbour has moved in and ruined the tranquility.
Paul ********
Be prepared to arrange your own repairs.
ALi *****
@Paul *******
you can make sure that repairs are in your contract just make sure they are itemized especially any big items IE fridge aircons etc
Paul ********
ALi *****
Chriss And nan are a young couple and wonderful to deal with he is Canadian she is Thai both highy educated and they know the area. they found us the perfect house and went beyond what we expected. we've been in and out of Thailand for 17 years so we know when you find people that are good don't lose them. i'll send you their contact info xx all the best
Jim ******
Use a reputable Estate Agent. Make sure you are not ripped off on utilities costs.
Rogerio ******
definitely take LOTS of photos of all the small details. Create a LINE app chat and share the photos with the landlord / agent. Things like stains on the walls, scratches on the floor (if wooden), dents and dings on the doors. Some things you won't notice until you finally move in, keep sending these to the chat so both parties have a time stamp of shared photos.

Ask when the AC was last cleaned, if it's a year lease then it should have been cleaned before you move in.

Also (and I haven't tried this yet) it could be good to ask the landlord how much of the deposit they returned back to their last renter and what it was related to. Just getting whatever answer they give back to you should clue in as to how honest they might be.
Jay *****
The most important is the contract on wear and tear and repair cost is on you or on the owner. And return the house in the same conditions as it is when you move in. Get everything recorded by photo and acknowledge by the owner.
Duncan *******
Take the same precautions you would in Australia - read the contract and make sure you document any existing damage (photographs and on the contract). Another thing to check is how the power and water are billed - ideally if you can you want a place where you are billed directly by the government, not by the owner/building, as it's common that the electric and power bills are marked up by owners, sometimes 2-3x the government rate.
Pat *******
Suggest the area you look at, join expat fb community, as there will be good help there. Mostly
Samuel ********
Make sure to compare local prices by checking Facebook Marketplace first. Verify that your utilities, such as water and power, are close to government standard rates. Ensure that your contract includes the landlord’s ID and contact details.

Before signing the contract, confirm that the landlord or agent has submitted a TM30 address notification. This is their responsibility, whether they submit it online or at the office. Do not commit to an apartment or condo until you have the TM30 receipt in your hand. Avoid any “I’ll do it later” promises, as you’ll need the TM30 receipt for immigration matters, bank accounts, and other official purposes.

Be aware that foreigners, especially newcomers, might face higher charges or discrimination. For example, a friend once paid 12,000 THB a month for a poor-quality room in Khon Kaen for months on end, with 3,000 THB for electricity. In that area, normal rent ranges from 3,000 to 6,000 THB per month, and electricity is about 700 THB. I've seen many cases where foreigners are overcharged; for instance, friends in Bangkok paid 30,000 THB per month when the normal for that area is 16,000 to 17,000 THB.

Do your research to avoid being overcharged.
Andy **********
@Samuel *******
the farang price thing really annoys me, some Thais just think if you can afford to pay more well you should do, they don't even think they are ripping you off, by increasing the price by two or three times the going rate, and I'm also talking other things not just rent 🤷😂
Greta *****
@Andy *********
I'm pretty sure they know very well that they're ripping you off. But if they can charge more and people pay so they will keep doing that. It's called 'Free economy'
Andy **********
@Greta ****
to give you a for instance, I visited a dentist a few days ago, in the waiting area on the wall was a "set price list" it said in English and Thai "oral examination ฿100" I waited for about 90mins to be seen, I sat in the dentists chair for 2 mins to be told the work I want them to do, they cannot do it!! i was then charged ฿300 for no apparent reason, I questioned it without success, I politely explained I would never return, although it's not a lot of money, for me it's the feeling if being ripped off, because they thought it was okay to charge a farang 3x the usual price 🤷🙆🤦
Greta *****
@Andy *********
I know it's annoying but when you're in a foreign country you have to accept it as you're basically their guest. I'm sure if you went to a 'western' dentist in Thailand you'd be charged way more just for examination. It's a give and take. You can take it as it is or leave it
Samuel ********
@Greta ****
Nope, zero respect for bad actors. I prefer not to be complicit in me being taken advantage of.
Samuel ********
@Andy *********
I’ve had some frustrating experiences while living here. For instance, a vegetable market where I’ve been buying produce for months suddenly wants 80 baht for just two tomatoes and two onions. The market sells vegetables for 5-10 baht a piece. In contrast, Makro sells a kilogram of each for the same price they want!

Additionally, I helped a friend who needed certified document copies in English for international use. The initial quote was 800 baht per document, but after seeing me there for observation, the price unexpectedly increased to 1500 baht per document, and I’m not even the customer! Fortunately, I referred my friend to a nurse I know who met the professional requirements, and they were satisfied with a 500-baht payment in beer.

One thing I’ve learned from living here is that there seems to be a lack of fairness and reciprocity in many daily interactions.
Peter ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Ning ******
some owner will not help you to file tm30, which you will need at immigration to get visa etc...
Michael ********
Yes lots of photographs when moving in and note any defects. Thats not just Thailand its common sense renting anywhere. Despite what people will say personally had no problems with deposits getting returned. But only rented 2 places.
Ning ******
some owners will not return the deposit or repair anything...
Ken ***********
@Ning *****
most owners will not return the deposit
Harry *********
@Ken ******
if you do it through a proper agency then the landlords will be more likely to return the deposit
Wyn **********
Keep an eye on your electric bill and photograph everything when moving in .
Peter ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Wyn *********
thanks Wyn
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