What are the risks of working part-time without a work permit in Thailand on a non-O visa?

Jul 24, 2023
a year ago
Matthew **********
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I’m noticing teaching jobs that are part time do not provide work permits. I have been assured by a prospective employer, immigration doesn’t want to bother with the odd English teacher working without the right permit. I’m here on a non-o visa through marriage. How much trouble could one get into working without a work permit?
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Working without a proper work permit in Thailand can lead to serious consequences, including arrest, deportation, and a ban on reentry. Despite some employers assuring otherwise, the risks are significant, especially if reported. While there may be instances where individuals go unnoticed, the potential for legal trouble and the loss of residency privileges (like a spouse visa) make it highly inadvisable. Long-term consequences for illegal work can hinder your plans for residency or citizenship.
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Frank **********
Russell *******
Treat the country with respect 🙏
Joel *********
Walk away
Zac ********
How much trouble would you get into, hmmm how about visa cancelled and deportation via an IDC and a ban on re-entering.
Martin ********
@Zac *******
I think he should try, and report back to us in 6 months
Kevin **********
@Martin *******
I like to visit the IDC and throw roasted peanuts at the monkeys.
Zac ********
@Martin *******
not sure if you can get internet access from an IDC.
Carlos *********
It's unlawful! You do the math.
Giorgio ******
go and ask your immigration office to have a clear answer . if not check a crystal ball
Kevin **********
Don't be a Captain Clown
Cary ******
If you’re already employed legally with a work permit you can take on an additional part time position assuming teaching + teaching. Usually it’s part time tutoring after hours at your regular school.

With a marriage visa a school has less paperwork to do because they don’t have to support a visa and can just do the paperwork for a work permit. Also less expensive for them. Having a marriage visa (non O) doesn’t automatically mean you can work. It doesn’t automatically include a work permit but it does allow the employer to apply for one for you.
Martin ********
Are you serious?
Jorge ****
Now that this is plastered all over FB, the IOs will be looking for you, by name, gender, marital status, current visa, intentions, IP address, device type, meta data... (they do this for a living)
Cary ******
@Jorge ***
no they won’t.
Michael **********
is your wife's name Ganja???????????????????
Oliver ********
It's very unlikely immigration will bother you (unless you upset someone enough to report you) but getting caught would almost certainly mean being deported and blacklisted, which isn't worth a few peanuts.
Chris ****
If you already had a work permit with one employer and that employer gave permission to you to freelance. You can literally report the income as well 😂 I even paid vat on my income when I was in Thailand from my part time gigs. Illegal working is bad. But there are some rules like attending conferences and lectures on the side which are exempt from work permit rules. So English teaching etc falls into one of those when done in the right and immigration stops being bothered. Different if you worked in anyone’s bar part time. You definitely will screwed . But yeah to err on the side of caution. Don’t do it. There’s more things that can go wrong than just that.
David ********
Alistair **********
If you don't piss anyone off, then yeah you probably won't have any issues. But all it takes is one person to report you. It just doesn't really seem worth the risk.

If you're planning to live in Thailand a long time and given you're married to a thai. If you work and earn 40k+/month for 3yrs you can apply for citizenship. This requires a work permit and taxes paid on the income though.
Alistair **********
Also, if you aren't going through the legitimate process you might be missing out on Thai Social Security as well. This is very beneficial as after working for 12 months you can continue with the scheme even after you quit working. It only costs 432B/mth and gives you hospital coverage which can save a fortune on expensive private health insurance.
Matthew **********
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@Alistair *********
Thank you. Very solid and informative advice.
Christine *******
Will this employer back you up and go to bat for you if you get in a "situation" with immigration? Obviously not, if they're encouraging you to break the law!
Lye **********
It's against the law so it's a big deal if someone reports it. Why risk getting ban from entering the country for a part time job?
Steven ***************
You were warned about this 5 weeks ago. Why are you still listening to this "employer"?

All you need is someone you annoyed to report you and you're screwed. You'll also lose your spouse visa when they deport you.
Matthew **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Different employer and had nothing to do with work permits.
Jack ****************
With the new attitude this could be a bigger issue than it was, but previously it was a 40k fine. Better to just not do it
Ruth *******
Why would you work for an employer who asks you to put yourself at risk?
Stuart ********
The answer is A LOT.

A lot of trouble if they find u and they are actively looking.

Just check out the news and see how many Russians they are finding illegally working every week.

You will be deported and blacklisted from entering the country.
Steve **********
Don't !
Aaron ******
They do care

The issue is will they notice and if so what will they do. Sometimes you hear stories of officials being bribed. Sometimes you hear stories of people getting arrested. But honestly a lot you don’t hear about because it seemingly isn’t noticed.

It is up to you how much risk you are ok with I guess.

I wouldn’t do it. But some do.

I also would hope no one would believe such a prospective employer’s statement.
Charlie *******
Dont do it. The immigration crackdowns are real...
Jan **********
lol
Steve ********
The head of the language school I'm sure wouldn't tell you lies. Just as I'm sure he'll disappear when the immigration police turn up, arrest you and throw you into IDC.

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Paul *******
My experience of living here for well over 10 years is that Immigration will always take action if they find people working without an appropriate work permit. Period. Trouble: big fime, jail, expulsion from the kingdome. ban on reentry.
Bob **********
@Paul ******
no jail anymore just deport
Rowan *********
@Bob *********
but likely to be locked up in IDC until you're deported which can potentially take weeks or even months.
David ********
@Rowan ********
True. I was deported in 2018 and had to spend a week in detention first.
Brandon ************
They are lying to you. Your employer won't be the one getting in trouble so they could care less. But if you are caught working without a work permit you could be arrested, deported and banned from Thailand.

They really have no reason to not do it in your case as you don't even need their support for a visa, just for the work permit.
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