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What should I know about working in Thailand with an incomplete work permit and non-immigrant visa?

Jamie *********
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Hi all,

I've been offered a teaching English job in Thailand starting in May and am trying to wrap my head around the visa process.

The job is through an agency which says it will take care of the visa paperwork, permits, etc. The way they work things means that the day I start work, I would have a non-immigrant B visa and would have applied for, but not received, a work permit a few days before. They say the permit could take anywhere from 2-10 weeks to receive. With this in mind, I could be working up to 2 months without a work permit. They say that is OK because I can legally work so long as I have sent a work permit application. Can anyone advise further on this?

I'm just looking for some clarity as it seems a bit fishy and I don't want to take any unnecessary risks. I've tried ringing the Thai Embassy in London but they didn't know anything about the work permits.

Best,

Jamie
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The user is seeking advice about starting a teaching job in Thailand while having only a non-immigrant B visa and an applied but not yet received work permit. The agency involved states it's acceptable to work legally as long as the work permit application has been submitted. Responses from other users emphasize that working without a valid work permit is technically illegal, even if the application is in process. There are mixed opinions on the agency's claims regarding processing times and legitimacy, along with various personal experiences and recommendations for navigating the visa process.
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Tod *********
Tod *********
and on that note I believe the O/P has enough information to make an educated decision on whether to work or not without a work permit in their possession.

I think we're pretty much done here..
James **************
James **************
people still work while they wait for there work permits, even tho its illegal, schools and agency tend to take there time with things like this. for some strange reason, they a lot of the time don't know the rules.
Tod *********
Tod *********
Okay I think we ascertained that it is totally illegal to work in the country without a valid work permit <- that means you cannot work while your work permit is being processed :/
Craig *********
Craig *********
Teach online...Much better.
James **************
James **************
yep it is
David ****************
David ****************
Can you expand on your comments, please. I’m intrigued??
Jamie *********
Jamie *********
OP
Thank you everybody for the responses. That is a lot of information to chew through. I really appreciate the rapid help. I will go back to the agency with a few questions based on what I have learnt from you all and inbox a few of you.

To clarify any confusion, the agency has told me to collect the documents I need for the non-immigrant b visa application from them on arriving in Thailand. I would then go to Laos to apply. They say I should receive the visa by the time I start work a few days later but I would not have the work permit until 2-10 weeks later.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Jamie ********
, the way this is gonna work is you're gonna get paperwork from the school to go to the thai consulate in Vientiane Lao for a 90 day Non-B visa. You turn in your passport and application one morning and you pick up your passport with the visa in it the next afternoon. Meaning you'll have a Non-B visa when you come back from Lao. Also because you need a receipt that you've applied for a work permit in your documentation to get the visa in Lao there shouldn't be that much time lag from you comin' back into the country on your 90 day Non-b visa and getting your work permit.
Paul ********
Paul ********
Jamie I know you got a lot of comments, but I just want to mention one simple fact, especially if this is your first time in south east Asia. It is far more common here to be hired with much shorter notice, basically to find a job when you are here in person. This is quite different from many other countries' hiring practices, where there is a lot more planning. Every place is different, of course. International schools have a longer hiring process. But overall,you can almost always always always work directly with a school. An agent by their nature is s taking money out of your pocket. And, you can do all paperwork yourself or with help of your school. That is what the vast majority of people do. Just FYI I am in chiang mai, been here 8 years, let me know if you have some questions.
Terary **********
Terary **********
don't worry about visa.. You can swim from Cambodia. Forget about it. I am just kidding. I was in the situation as you a few years ago. A) Realize many people will give you advice, few actually know. B) Your nationality (passport) make a difference in what rules apply and how. C) Experiences of others are not necessarily going to be the same as your experiences. I would recommend come on tourist 60 day visa - this will give you some time to get things in order. You will have to leave again within 90 days (60 day visa can be extended 30 more days). When you leave you will get another visa that will be converted to a non-b visa (to reduce confusion worry about that later). Its possible that your original/first tourist visa (the one for your arrival) can be converted and you may not have to leave to get new visa.

Largely how you work out your long-term visa (non-b + extension) depends on the school/agency and how much assistance they will provide. When I did it, the agency supplied all the paperwork all I had to do is show up at the right offices and sign whatever documents.
Peter ***********
Peter ***********
Here is a rundown what I did a few times teaching for 7 years between 2007 - 2014.

Got job with tourist visa.

Wait between 1 day + 3 months.

Change to non b 90 days.

Wait between 1 day + 1 month.

Extend non b to length of contract. Usually 1 year.

Apply for work permit.

Wait for work permit.

Work legally.

Now I know things have changed and I am not trying to give wrong advice but this is how it went then.

Maybe still the same for some schools and agencies.

If you have a degree and correct paperwork go for it.
David ****************
David ****************
@Pe***
Sure, been here long enough to know every office/Officer has different rules in this ‘Banana Republic’
Peter ***********
Peter ***********
I understand what you're saying David.

I agree what you're saying.

I was just telling of my experience as it was in that era.
David ****************
David ****************
@Pe***
. Last year in the city where I work, immigration visited the schools and anyone without a WP were asked to go home and leave when their visa expired.
Peter ***********
Peter ***********
Most of the paperwork needed to apply for non b and permit came from schools or agencies.

Takes time sometimes.

I just carried on teaching and learning as time ticked by. Good things can't be rushed.

Loved it !!!
Steve *******
Steve *******
Also helps if you're actually an English teacher
Jo *******
Jo *******
I have always had to travel to Penang/Thai embassy to get the non B then the permanent. School reimbursed me for the visas but travel costs were my own. Thai government school/Songkhla city. And dress nicley for the Thai embassy. One guy was sent away as he had on a muscle shirt & jeans. The guy at my hotel (PIN SENG) offered to do it for me for a small fee. You need photos and photocopies of passport. Costs around 2000 baht. Go back next day to pick up the visa. When you cross back into Siam you must have 20,000 baht cash on you. I didn't have it so I paid a bribe. 200 baht.
James ***********
James ***********
The immigration officer seen you coming anyway! The 20k isn't required with a non-b
Robert *******
Robert *******
It is not allowed to work without the correct Visa and Work Permit. If the agency tells you it take 2-10 weeks, you just answer: No problem, I start working when the papers are there.
Rhiannon ********
Rhiannon ********
It does not take 10 weeks to process your work permit unless you are working for a lazy ass school or a lazy ass agency!!!
David ****************
David ****************
Agree. I’ve seen them issued same day!!!!
Steve ******
Steve ******
Jamie, pm me if you wish, but beware!
Steve ******
Steve ******
Still doesn’t take 10 weeks Jamie.
David ****************
David ****************
@Ja***
. Sounds good. What town/city will you be working in???
Jamie *********
Jamie *********
OP
Sorry for any confusion. I have been asked to go to Laos to apply for the non-immigrant visa a few days after arriving in thailand. All my documents will have been prepared by the agency ready for me to apply in Laos. I would then start work a few days later after returning from Laos. I just meant that I have been told I would receive that visa but not a work permit by the time I start working.
James ***********
James ***********
Sorry David, this is not my personal experience I arrived on a tourist visa and has it changed to a non-b in Chaengwattana, I've never had to leave Thailand for anything visa related but I have friends working for international companies who got there their visa before coming to Thailand.
David ****************
David ****************
@Ja***
. Was that done the first time, before you arrived in Thailand?
James ***********
James ***********
2 copies of all your documents, passport, degree, transcripts, maybe a copy of police clearance (I've never needed to provide one), contract from the school. My school (government) also sends signed copies of my directors Id card and other school documents (all in Thai so I don't know what they are) along with the application and acknowledgment of overstay rules
Steve ******
Steve ******
what paperwork James?
James ***********
James ***********
To get your non-b before you arrive?? No, it's not impossible at all, applying for a non-b in your home country is no different to getting it in Vientiane, once you have all the paperwork
David ****************
David ****************
James. That sounds impossible???

It all sound BS to me, I’m outta here, Nighty Night!
James ***********
James ***********
Is it an international school? Are they applying for your non b before you arrive in Thailand?
Steve ******
Steve ******
mmmmm ok, 2 months for a wp? All you need is a contract, you can then get your visa, then days to sort wp out.....2 months?
David ****************
David ****************
@St***
. I have heard of it. They do vid conferencing for an I/v & arrange jobs worldwide.
Steve ******
Steve ******
I’m not, Agencies are. Is it not unusual for an agency to offer a job when a candidate is out of the country?suppose he doesn’t show? Seems very odd to me. It would be good if we had a little more detail.
David ****************
David ****************
Your not that scary!!!
Matt ************
Matt ************
Until you have the work permit completed and in your hand, your not allowed to work. It takes 2-4 weeks to get a work permit, you can apply for it before you start the job. They’re probably gonna deduct the cost of work permit at an extortionate rate, I’d suggest contacting a visa agent that can organize this for you. Price is about 15k for wp application using an agent.
Steve *******
Steve *******
@Da***
. Sounds about right. I couldnt remember the exact cost
David ****************
David ****************
Steve. I pay 1900 visa extension & 3000 for years WP, I think!
Matt ************
Matt ************
The teaching agency may overcharge what an agent would charge, and as it’s first time application it’s always harder. If the school is directly involved it maybe cheaper.
Steve *******
Steve *******
If it's a legit job and you have the legit docs it's
******
bt. You dont really need an agent for a WP for a teaching job.
David ****************
David ****************
Most ‘decent’ schools/universities will have someone who completes this process on behalf of the foreigners.WP & Visa extensions cost around 5000b in total. I went to Savanakhet, Laos for my original B @ 1900b & expenses.

You cannot get either without a contract and proof of acceptable qualifications
David ****************
David ****************
I’m on my 5th WP/B. Visa extension. Agencies are notorious for not providing the correct legal status for teachers (not all). Once you have a B Visa , a WP can be provided (with correct documentation) within a day or so.

The fact that they say it takes quite a bit longer, suggests to me that they don’t want to pay for it straight away, Incase your no good and/or quit.

Check Ajarn.com for jobs. They are plentiful if you have a degree.
James ***********
James ***********
Unless it's an agency placing you in a international school there is a 99% chance you are being led on, I have never heard of any agency in the government/ private circuit providing a visa or work permit before you've started working.. you can work here while your visa and work permit is being processed, it is technically illegal but so is riding a motorcycle without a helmet
Daniel ***********
Daniel ***********
@Erik ***********
you don’t know how things work here
James ***********
James ***********
After the last immigration crackdown immigration themselves said

that they would allow teachers to work and would not punish schools once they were taking reasonable steps to acquire the correct documentation for their teachers. This is 'Thai Visa Advice' not 'Thai Legal Advice' and that's how they do visas here, it's their law they decide how they want to enforce it..
Erik ************
Erik ************
Technically illegal is still illegal, what a dumb advice for this group.
Dai **********
Dai **********
Guaranteed they haven't started anything yet, as one, you would need the paper work from the school to apply for a non B visa which they would require your passport to do. Then they can apply for your wp. Regarding working during your wp application, thats pretty much the way it roles here.
Claiborne *********
Claiborne *********
for one thing, you need to find out if you qualify for a W.P..
Steve *******
Steve *******
You need the work permit to work legally. Embassys are completely different departments to where you get a work permit
Michael *********
Michael *********
Others may well contradict me on this but I’d say it doesn’t seem legitimate. Applying for something & having something aren’t the same, there’s no guarantee of getting a WP, even if they are legitimate,which I don’t believe they are. Google them, see what others are saying.
Paul ********
Paul ********
The can indeed find ways to get money out here f you up front, or get you to work without pay.
Johnsuma ******
Johnsuma ******
its probably a scam man, be carefull for your money, there are some experts to catch people here.
Paul ********
Paul ********
I agree that it sounds fishy. Not meant to impune anyone, but unfortunately agents have poor reputations, e.g. no paperwork, poor communication, move you around schools, hold your pay, not following through on any number of promises. sometimes it all works out, but i have read so many unhappy stories.

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